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There have been discussions cropping up in many different threads, concerning the Browns offensive line. In an effort to keep other threads from being highjacked, I will start an Oline thread of it's own.
Let's discuss the Browns Oline, compare other team's Oline play, the role of the Oline plays in the performance of the offensive running game and passing game...etc.
The key to offensive production in the NFL is the play of the offensive line.
This from the 10 Golden Rules for Offensive Football web page
....Improve the offensive line. The offensive line is the heart of a good offense. Without a sound offensive line all other aspects of the offense collapse. An offensive lineman needs a combination of size, speed, strength and, most importantly, intelligence. Regardless of how good the line play is, there is always room for improvement. Strengthening the offensive line play during the course of the season is a key for postseason success...Coach Hutchison
I have commented that I would like to see the Browns develop an offensive line equal to the Saints Oline, especially the 2011 version. The following article points out why, every team in the NFL would like to have an Oline that plays the game like the Saints Oline did in 2011.
New Orleans Saints: Offensive Line Key to Success in 2011
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Even though Drew Brees is one of the best players in the NFL, the New Orleans Saints’ offensive line has been the reason for their seven-game winning streak.
With all the Pro Bowl snubs that took place, it’s nice to see the Saints’ offensive line get the credit they deserve. Three out of the Saints’ five starting offensive linemen made the Pro Bowl with Carl Nicks, Jahri Evans and Jermon Bushrod getting the honors.
The Saints are the most explosive offense in the league with 457.1 yards per game, and it’s because of the execution up front by the guys just named.
Brees may be a future NFL Hall of Fame quarterback, but he wouldn’t be able to do half of what he does without the protection by the big fellas on the line. They give Brees time in the pocket, and that time allows his receivers to get open down the field and Brees takes it from there.
Not only is the offensive line responsible for allowing this passing game to be so effective, but they’ve shown strength in the rushing game as well.
Evans and Nicks drive their men off the offensive line with the rest of line blocking ends and linebackers. The Saints' running backs are fierce, hard-nose runners and once they hit the pile, the linemen and the backs continue to drive their feet and pick up extra yards.
It’s because of play like this that the Saints only need 219 yards against the Carolina Panthers Sunday to break the NFL record for most yards in a season. The St. Louis Rams had 7,075 yards in 2000.
Because the offensive line has protected Brees so well this season, it seems like every week Brees is breaking some type of passing record. The Saints’ offensive line is tied for first in the NFL in fewest quarterback hits this season with the Tennessee Titans, and Bushrod has been protecting Brees’ blindside all season long.
The Saints are tied for third in the league with fewest sacks allowed with 24, but it wasn’t all peaches over the course of this season. In fact, it wasn’t until after the Saints’ game against the St. Louis Rams that this offensive line kicked it up a notch and never looked back.
When the Saints lost to the Rams in Week 8, 31-21, the offensive line let the team down with a terrible performance. The Saints struggled to get a rushing game going and only had 56 yards, while the offensive line gave up sack after sack. The Rams had six sacks in the contest and never allowed Brees to get into a groove.
Since that day, this offensive line has been hell on wheels, and they’ve given Brees ample amount of time in the pocket.
Opposing teams know that the best way to beat the Saints is to get pressure on Brees and not allow him to make those big plays down the field. The Rams have already laid down a blueprint, so the offensive line knew they had their work cut out in front of them the rest of the season.
Taking it one game at a time and with the help of Sean Payton’s schemes, this offensive line has done a fabulous job of creating holes for the running backs and giving Brees time to analyze the field, set his feet and throw.
It’s helped Brees pass for 5,087 passing yards this season and break Dan Marino’s single-season passing yards record. We already know that Brees will bring it in the playoffs and that these backs and receivers will be executing, so it’s up to this offensive line to take the Saints to another Super Bowl.
With the hog-mollies the Saints have up front, I like their chances.
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Anyone else like to see the Browns Oline play like the Saints Oline?
Comments, anyone?
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I'm of the opinion that we have one premier lineman (Thomas), one average lineman (Mack) two below-average linemen with a chance to become average (Luavao, Pinkston) and one huge question mark (RT).
Thomas had a sub-par year last year, but we know he's a top 3 LT in the game and a future HOFer. Mack, IMO, is quite over rated by some. He's not a slouch by any stretch, but he also isn't a premier C. Luavao and Pinkston are not terrible, but they aren't quite average either. I think Pinkston has more of a chance to be a complete guard, but time will tell. I do think we ride the season with them though. RT has just been a complete disaster, which obviously will be addressed.
I know some fans/friends who consider our line to be a big strength, but I actually don't think it's anything more than average (which is subject to change in a few weeks).
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average makes our OL the strength of our offense though.
(I agree with you. we need to solidify the RT spot and if Pinkston/Lauvao can get to average we will have an above average OL and that is a good spot to be in)
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mack is NOT an "average" offensive lineman... cmon now..
Add Jonathan Martin at RT and our offensive line is good to go. Lauvao and Pinkston will do at the moment at the guard spots.
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I'm of the opinion that we have one premier lineman (Thomas), one average lineman (Mack) two below-average linemen with a chance to become average (Luavao, Pinkston) and one huge question mark (RT).
Thomas had a sub-par year last year, but we know he's a top 3 LT in the game and a future HOFer. Mack, IMO, is quite over rated by some. He's not a slouch by any stretch, but he also isn't a premier C. Luavao and Pinkston are not terrible, but they aren't quite average either. I think Pinkston has more of a chance to be a complete guard, but time will tell. I do think we ride the season with them though. RT has just been a complete disaster, which obviously will be addressed.
I know some fans/friends who consider our line to be a big strength, but I actually don't think it's anything more than average (which is subject to change in a few weeks).
Mack is a lot better than average,. remember, the kid had surgery and played right away.. Give him a break..
Pinkston was a rookie stepping into the breach and got better as the year went on. Lauvio didn't play much before this year so again, give him some time
I agree on the RT part however.. that's a huge hole.
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Eh... we'll see. Our OL suffered from having two new (or relatively new) pieces in the middle and a black hole at RT. I think the guards will be OK-to-good given time to gel a bit more with Mack (this takes more time than most people understand). There were obvious communication breakdowns last season in the middle.
I think that, if we can solve the RT issue, the OL has a chance to be a real strength this season, however.
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I agree on Mack. He would start for most teams, so he is better than average.
Homie and Heck must feel it is a pretty good line seeing as they haven't done anything this off season to bolster it in any way, at least to this point.
I would guess we will add a player or two through the draft or UDFA players. If we draft one or two fairly high....say better than 4th round, we will know they think it needs to improve. If all we do is bring in a 4th and 7th rounder and maybe some undrafted player then it seems they think all is slick.
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I pray that they don't think Cousins is the answer at RT. If they did, then I would have thought he would have been starting there last year.
So, I think we do draft a RT early. However, I don't think we draft an OG (or if we do we draft one late as BPA for depth).
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Probably right, but there is a problem with that thinking. Heck has said he is a BPA guy. If so, who is to say we have a good RT at our draft spot??
Many have said as an example they like Tannehill fine, but don't want to reach for the guy. It should be the same with any other position.
That said, I know we will reach out for a player or two since we didn't do anything in FA to address OL concers....and in fairness, I don't really remember any good RT's available.
I really hope Martin is there at 22 and hope we take him. Sooner or later we have to start fixing some positions or units on this team.
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mack is NOT an "average" offensive lineman... cmon now
Add Jonathan Martin at RT and our offensive line is good to go. Lauvao and Pinkston will do at the moment at the guard spots.
Agreed. Martin is definitely on my wish list to instantly fix our RT side of the line. Pinkston and Lauvao will continue to grow with solid Grade A bookends. Mac is solid at center as well. He's good. I think sometimes with the poor results we have in terms of offensive production its easy to miss what talent we do have. With a RT fix we have ain minimum top 15 O-line. The eyeball test clearly showed us that RT was the weak link on our line.
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I like Martin as well, but there are PLENTY of RTs in this draft that would be very solid upgrades to what we have now . . .
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I agree. You don't reach for a RT just because you need one.
However, Heckert has shown a propensity for moving up to get a player that he has targeted. If a Martin, Adams or whoever he wants at RT drops into the later part of the 1st round or early 2nd, then I could see him packaging some picks to move up from #37 to get him.
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Figured I may as well bring the list forward of who we have
78 Alford, Dominic OL 6-3 320 24 R Minnesota
72 Cousins, Oniel OL 6-4 315 27 4 Texas-El Paso
Daniels, Stanley OL 6-4 320 27 2 Washington
77 Greco, John OL 6-4 315 27 4 Toledo
66 Lauvao, Shawn OL 6-3 315 24 2 Arizona State
55 Mack, Alex OL 6-4 311 26 3 California
62 Pinkston, Jason OL 6-4 305 24 R Pittsburgh
74 Shaw, Jarrod OL 6-3 316 24 R Tennessee
73 Thomas, Joe OL 6-6 312 27 5 Wisconsin
As to our starting five,
Thomas- There's obviously no complaints about him. Even in an off year he was damn good.
Pinkston- Tough position for him to start this year but I thought he was respectable. Seemed to hold his ground well but, if I recall, had a bit of a problem with penalties in some games.
Mack- Certainly above average but I agree with many here that he's not quite elite status at this point. Actually reminds me alot of Faine. Smart, skilled center that can hold his own. He can still develop further.
Lauvao- I've been well documented on my pessimism with this guy. I just don't think he's very good despite what the hokey O-Line statistics sheet says. Now what I hope is that I'm wrong because the extreme weakness of our RT put him in a consistently bad place- but I remain doubtful.
Cousins- If he's our RT starter, we've got severe issues unless he takes a dramatic leap forward. He looks the part fine but has no real mean streak to his game and has never developed beyond his college game it seems.
Depth- Serious, apart from Greco (who I think is decent), our depth is frighteningly bad. Who ARE these guys? Hopefully, we're able to resign Stienbach at a reduced rate and he can join the guard rotation or bump Pink or Lauvao to a depth spot.
If the FO doesn;t address RT somewhere in the first 4 rounds, I'll be stunned.
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Plenty? Reiff, Martin, Glenn, Adams and maybe Schwartz can come in day 1 and be better than Pashos...4 will go Top 50, so you better invest high if you want a day 1 ready RT...and I don't even like Adams who's the "Coples" of the OT class, as in: highly inconsistent and should have dominated but didn't...Adams should be the 2nd LT off the board given his athletic abilities but he isn't....those unerachieving OTs that slide into the 20 to 50 range have a very very high bust percentage
Sure, there are some "developmental" RTs like Bergstrom, Brown, Moseley, Allen...but they aren't NFL ready yet and will look worse than Lauvao or Pinkston since they'd be playing on the outside
day 1 ready players don't grow on trees...rooks are rooks...we were blessed with last year's class starting 4 rooks, most at high value positions (DE, DT, WR) that improved and didn't look overwhelmed...expecting the same this draft is setting the bar incredibly high (but I agree with whoever might jump in saying that Heckert has set it up this way by ignoring FA for the most part...he has to deliver, no doubt about it)
That all said...our OL play improved during the season and 4/5 get to play together for a 2nd straight season...they're all young too..it IS being build....they looked worse than they played due to even worse play by the QB and RB positions
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Mack is above average, but I can see how some could be a bit disappointed in him, considering where he was taken in the draft.
I think if you take a center in the first round, he better be damn good. I mean like top 2 or 3 in the league.
I still think he has room to become that, though.
I don't think our line is as bad as people make it out to be. I agree with everyone that RT needs to be fixed ASAP. I think Pinkston is a nice prospect, Lauvao i go back and forth on. I like that both are young and have time to get better.
If we took a T at 22, I would not be upset at all. Especially if a guy like Martin is around. It fixes an immediate weakness, and would make it easier for a lot of people. Picking again 15 spots later also helps.
Man I'm getting excited for this draft. We could and should get 3 really good players right off the bat.
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I like Martin as well, but there are PLENTY of RTs in this draft that would be very solid upgrades to what we have now . . .
I would be an upgrade over what we have at RT now...at least according to Toad.
It's not about an UPGRADE...that's a given because the only RT we've got is Cousins.
We HAVE to draft a guy who will start from day 1.
There are many RTs in this draft...and only a few who can start on Day 1...and we aren't the only team in desperate need of a starting RT.
Call it a reach...but we better take the best guy available and - by my guess - the only Day 1 starters will be gone after our pick #37 and before our 3rd Rd choice.
Reach or not...we don't have a choice unless we plan to start Cousins.
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I agree on Mack. He would start for most teams, so he is better than average.
Homie and Heck must feel it is a pretty good line seeing as they haven't done anything this off season to bolster it in any way, at least to this point.
I would guess we will add a player or two through the draft or UDFA players. If we draft one or two fairly high....say better than 4th round, we will know they think it needs to improve. If all we do is bring in a 4th and 7th rounder and maybe some undrafted player then it seems they think all is slick.
two points,,, 1. the off season isn't nearly over. so there is still plenty of time to make additions. (remember, sometimes, subtraction is really addition)
2. just because they add Oline players in the later rounds doesn't mean they think things are just ducky. it could just as easily mean that they didn't see anyone they wanted earlier or chose to address a different need instead.
you may not agree with thier moves, but that doesn't make them wrong and you right..
having said all that, I too will be disappointed if we don't address the RT slot before the 4th round... I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm tired of retreads at RT.. we've not had a really good one since Tucker retired.. we are in such a terrific position with this draft to fix 3 maybe 4 critical problems..
Hope it works out well for us.. we could use a break
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Has anyone thought we plan on making Pinkston our RT? He played OT at Pitt and was technically drafted as a tackle...we just moved him inside to guard last year.
I have to think with our lack of attention to the OL so far this off-season that it's at least an option in our FO minds.
If I had to guess a starting 5 today, before the draft, I'd probably say:
Thomas / Lauvao / Mack / Greco / Pinkston.
My other guess is we'd "like" to add a RT in the draft and keep Pinky at OG...but we won't reach for one. Therefore, if we don't get a day 1 starter available we could just roll with the 5 I stated above on opening day.
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having said all that, I too will be disappointed if we don't address the RT slot before the 4th round... I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm tired of retreads at RT.. we've not had a really good one since Tucker retired.. we are in such a terrific position with this draft to fix 3 maybe 4 critical problems..
I was pissed off two years ago when we got Pashos, I was pissed last year when we didn't do anything about the RT position. So I'm really hoping I'm not pissed again this year 
I'm counting on us drafting a tackle within the first three rounds, and I'm hoping it will be in the first two. RT is an absolute must (although it has been since Kev Schaffer left). So I'm hoping may be this Jonathan Martin with our 2nd 1st round pick. Don't really know who else is out there, but I'd like to get someone who could come in and START.
2nd round pick could be a WR or QB (Weeden), 1st round pick Trent Richardson.
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My other guess is we'd "like" to add a RT in the draft and keep Pinky at OG...but we won't reach for one. Therefore, if we don't get a day 1 starter available we could just roll with the 5 I stated above on opening day.
This idea makes me sick............
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is there anyone that you think will be there at 22 for RT that's worth that pick?
there is still a chance that stienbach will be back, but with each passing day, I think that chance gets slimmer.. jmo
But Pinkston really started to look better. no question stieny is a better LG, but Pinkston could improve a lot this season.
Lauvio may or may not be the answer at RG.. I just don't know. But we've all seem stats that kinda indicate he's not as bad as some thought.
RT is the problem.. fix that, everything looks better with a REAL RT.
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there is still a chance that stienbach will be back, but with each passing day, I think that chance gets slimmer.. jmo
Steinbach is still rehabbing and won't be done until end of April or sometime soon thereafter. Until that point, I would be surprised to see any NFL team give him a contract.
So, whether he re-signs or goes elsewhere I do not think has been defined at all as of yet.
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Pinkston won't be moving to RT.
With the cutting of Stienbach,he is now,and for many years to come our LG.That is a good thing.
Our two young guards improved leaps and bounds last year,team them with Mack and Thomas,bring in a good young RT,then it's screw New Orleans and GreenBay,we got the top line .
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If Cordy Glenn and Brandon Brooks were to miraculously fall to us at 22 and 67, we'd easily have the best OL in football. Otherwise, I think it'd be tough for us to be ahead of NO.
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I think if you take a center in the first round, he better be damn good. I mean like top 2 or 3 in the league.
I don't think it should come as a surprise to anybody that Thomas and Mack both looked better with Steiny at guard than they did with the young kid at guard... I think the kid played ok and will be pretty good but it's still going to take some time for this unit to play well together where they all look good... which I think will happen.
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jc PFF ranked our line 14th out of 32. This kind of matched what my eyes told me, which was roughly average offensive line play. For all the reasons that offensive play has been excused (young players, new system, shortened off-season time, etc.), the same applies to the O-line and I thought they did an admirable job. The difference between watching our line and for example, Chicago's really is night and day. All those comments about the QB having little time and being pressured constantly actually do apply to Cutler. On the flip side, watching the Saints and Patriots lines the difference is also noticable. Hopefully we can get a RT in here (Pashos only played 23 games the last 3 years), the line can continue to grow together, and I believe that in a couple years we could have one of the best lines in football. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/22/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-1/http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/23/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-2/Quote:
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Run Rank 20th, Pass Rank 10th, Penalties Rank 24th
It wasn’t clear sailing for the Browns who had to start two new guards, both of whom had plenty of problems. Still, it was a line that gave Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace time, even if they themselves didn’t always execute. With one stud lineman here, the Browns have to be hoping Alex Mack is ready to take the leap and make it two.
Best Player: On his day he’s the best left tackle in the league, but we haven’t seen quite the same punch in the run game from Joe Thomas (+11.5) since his marvelous 2009.
Worst Player: It’s always asking a lot for a rookie guard, and Jason Pinkston (-19.5) did the impossible by proving a downgrade on the overpriced Eric Steinbach.
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you may not agree with thier moves, but that doesn't make them wrong and you right..
Really?? It's a message board. I express my opinion and feel my opinion is right just as I assume you do the same.
I said they haven't done anything, at least to this point, and in another post on this thread said in fairness to them, I didn't recall any super duper RT players on the market.
If you are going to pick at what I say, at least have a reason to do so.
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Worst Player: It’s always asking a lot for a rookie guard, and Jason Pinkston (-19.5) did the impossible by proving a downgrade on the overpriced Eric Steinbach.
So they are saying they expected the rookie Pinkston to be BETTER than Steinbach would have been last year? 
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I root for the Big Uglies upfront. Thomas is a phenom. Right tackle is a huge need; we get a bunch better with a killer RT, and I rate Mack as a fine center who has taken on a bunch hurt and green and produced. The only missing component is not just players named. It needs as a group to have time together in a system that has continuity and a scheme that uses their strengths. We need to figure out if we willneed to run to open up pass or pass to open up run. I think we can get there with the right tackle settled and IF the guards develop. The we need the nasty attitude. 
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if you look at that list from the Saints to the Browns...7 of those teams did not make the playoffs.
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you may not agree with thier moves, but that doesn't make them wrong and you right..
Really?? It's a message board. I express my opinion and feel my opinion is right just as I assume you do the same.
I said they haven't done anything, at least to this point, and in another post on this thread said in fairness to them, I didn't recall any super duper RT players on the market.
If you are going to pick at what I say, at least have a reason to do so.
Well geez peen,,, yeah REALLY.. I was speaking of your opinion.
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I didn't recall any super duper RT players on the market.
There never are............. lol
I remember someone saying Andre Smith would be available. Yeah, right......
Guards can be found in FA. Tackles, rarely. Not quality ones at least. There's so few of them (and we aren't a top choice unless we overpay BIG TIME)
I'm gonna be banging my head against a wall if we ignore this RT thing again. I'm hoping Glenn, Martin, or Reiff is there at 22. While Glenn might fit the RT mold the best, I don't care if we go outside the mold. Just get someone who is good and can come in and start immediately.
I don't care how this website rated our O-Line. The RT position has been getting picked on by opposing defenses for years. If fixed, our O-Line becomes good, very quickly
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I agree. Over the years I have called for Hutchseson and Andrews.
Some say you don't draft RT or Guards that early. I say if you want a good OL, you do. These 5th rounders work now and then, but if you want to stud out, you go early.
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Kelechi Osmele is my favorite RT candidate. He's going to come off the board somewhere in Round 2.
There sure are a lot of players in that round that could really, really help us.
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I like the value that the dancing bear gives at #37, but still Cordy Glenn is my favorite RT candidate if he does last to #22. if we get either I'll be 
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The thought of dropping back to 15 with a trade with Philly, and picking u their 2 2nds this year intrigues me... Or using the #22 to do that is a possibility also.  Need. Draft. Over with.
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I'd want a '13 1st rounder to trade out of the first round with #22 (plus a 2nd this year)
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The offense that has a dynamic passing attack, a qb who can get in a groove, and get confidence, ... That offense, is going to require things of a defense, defending the entire field of play, even if they defend passes they have to run downfield to do it, sometimes just having a great qb performance, like carving up a defense for a score, or two in a row, is going to get a defense on it's heels, guessing, reacting instead of attacking, and even cause it to take more chances, which like a fast break in basketball, can backfire.
Those score's present a situation where a team, ( the offense here) is playing with a lead, playing with a lead causes different play calling and playing from behind as a defense causes more plays to stop the run than attack the passer.
All of this is trying to explain that a great offense with great offensive coaches and a great quarterback make the o-line look a whole level better than they would otherwise look.
The qb makes everyone else around them look better, as much as the offensive line makes everyone behind them look better.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I'm of the opinion that we have one premier lineman (Thomas), one average lineman (Mack) two below-average linemen with a chance to become average (Luavao, Pinkston) and one huge question mark (RT).
Thomas had a sub-par year last year, but we know he's a top 3 LT in the game and a future HOFer. Mack, IMO, is quite over rated by some. He's not a slouch by any stretch, but he also isn't a premier C. Luavao and Pinkston are not terrible, but they aren't quite average either. I think Pinkston has more of a chance to be a complete guard, but time will tell. I do think we ride the season with them though. RT has just been a complete disaster, which obviously will be addressed.
I know some fans/friends who consider our line to be a big strength, but I actually don't think it's anything more than average (which is subject to change in a few weeks).
dawg4life...your take on performances from each position last season is pretty close to what I saw.
Thomas is a top LT in the game and while it did appear that he had a down year, by the standard Browns fans are used to seeing from him, keep in mind, he lost his right hand man, Steinbach and had to tutor Pinkston.
Pinkston played like a 5th round OT who was moved to OG. Just as Pinkston's lack of experience affected Thomas' play, so too did it affect Mack's play. Mack had to help to tutor Pinkston, who had not played OG in college.
Mack not only had Pinkston on his left, he had Lauvao on his right. How the lineman beside the center plays, does have an affect on the center's play...and Mack had a double dose of rookie play last season.
Lauvao played like a rookie even though the Browns used a 3rd round pick in 2010 to draft him. He did not hit the ground running as a rookie dealing with ankle injuries, unable to unseat Floyd Womack and starting one game in 2010.
This season, with Womack gone, Lauvao started all 16 games but his play was rookie quality, for the most part.
Pashos at RT, played like an aging veteran who had become injury prone. The Browns knew what they had in Pashos going into the 2011 season and his performance confirmed what most already knew...time for the Browns to get a replacement for the RT position.
The best that can be said about the Browns two young OGs...they should get better, which will help both Joe Thomas and Alex Mack. It is up to the Browns coaching staff to push these guys to play smarter and become bigger, stronger and quicker. I know most are hoping the Browns draft a RT, but other needs may push the selection of a RT back to a later round than expected.
The Oline did play better later in the year but I still would not rate the lines overall play any better than average at the end of the year and surely below average at the beginning of 2011.
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I didn't recall any super duper RT players on the market.
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PFF ranked our line 14th out of 32. This kind of matched what my eyes told me, which was roughly average offensive line play. For all the reasons that offensive play has been excused (young players, new system, shortened off-season time, etc.), the same applies to the O-line and I thought they did an admirable job.
The difference between watching our line and for example, Chicago's really is night and day. All those comments about the QB having little time and being pressured constantly actually do apply to Cutler.
On the flip side, watching the Saints and Patriots lines the difference is also noticable. Hopefully we can get a RT in here (Pashos only played 23 games the last 3 years), the line can continue to grow together, and I believe that in a couple years we could have one of the best lines in football.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/22/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-1/
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/23/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-2/
hasugopher...this is a very generous grading system this outfit uses.
PFF explains their rating system..."we’ve looked at how each individual lineman graded out and compiled three different categories: pass blocking, run blocking (including screen blocking) and penalties. Then we added them and like magic, got ourselves a set of rankings with the number next to the team in parenthesis denoting their 2010 finish. (Note that these numbers are just for the regular season.)"
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Claiming they grade each lineman might sound impressive, but just how can they grade a lineman when they don't have the Browns offensive playbook?
...they don't know the play or the lineman's assignment on a given play...or what the coaches might term acceptable or unacceptable blocks on a given play.
PFF ranks the Browns Oline as 20th Run Rank, 10th Pass Rank , 24th Penalties Rank...just how they come up with that when the results do not match PFF's ranking is a mystery to me.
The Browns offense ranked...
...29th in total offense
...28th in rushing offense
...24th in passing offense
Here is one of the sites I used to keep track of the Oline's performance...
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As we can see, looking at Football Outsiders' stats, the Browns ended the season slightly above the average in Oline blocking and below average in run blocking.
I want the Browns offensive line to be as dominate as the Saints offensive line. I realize there are good reason's why the Browns Oline is not highly rated at this time.
The coaches and players need to set some very high standards and expectations for the Browns offensive line and put the pressure on the individuals to achieve those goals. Joe Thomas, being the leader of the offensive line, needs to challenge his Oline teammates to raise their level of play.
There is no reason the Browns offensive line should be an average or below average performing unit and if they continue to perform average or below, some changes need to be made.
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