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I just think that he throws a nice ball and if he found a team that believed in him that he could have been developed into a pretty good Qb. I think he has long passed that point now. I just remember being disappointed when he was traded to the Dolphins for I think a 5th round pick. I really wanted us to give him a shot. I don't know how he would have done but certainly not worse than what we have seen in Cleveland since 2008. I looked at his wiki page and he put up some pretty good numbers. I am not bothering to post them because they are pretty irrelevant and no one cares to read them. Including me - I skimmed through and skipped a bunch myself.
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i've watched these QB's a lot..even though Tannehill's name has been floated ,I happen to like Weeden..in big games he upped his game and didn't rattle..thats important..Tannehill didn't play big when he really needed to and made some head scratching decisions.
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i've watched these QB's a lot..even though Tannehill's name has been floated ,I happen to like Weeden..in big games he upped his game and didn't rattle..thats important..Tannehill didn't play big when he really needed to and made some head scratching decisions.
I agree and I think Heckert would agree too, but will have to see how things shake out. I would think that we have him on our board at 37 ... Doesn't mean he will be the pick, but I believe that our interest in Weeden is truly genuine.
Who will the QB (whoever) have to throw to? Maybe I am a little bias here as a former WR myself, but will we ever have an above average WR?
Or will we continue to go with below average types and expect our running game / running backs, run against a stacked box.
How much better would Hillis have been with his excellent hands (better then TR's)
Folks see what Richardson did in College and try to envision him doing the same for us ... Reality check.
He will have a bulls eye on him until we first fix the QB and WR's positions.
We cut our alleged starting RT.
Is that what it's going to take for us to fill the other two bigger needs
(4 forever)?
Fine then cut the whole lot of them.
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I thought Weeden struggled mightily for a while in the Fiesta Bowl. But, he eventually got his head out of his behind and pulled it together.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I thought Weeden struggled mightily for a while in the Fiesta Bowl. But, he eventually got his head out of his behind and pulled it together.
He rose to the occasion and that's what you want from your QB.
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I REALLY hope this is a smokescreen....I do not want to touch him before round 3 (if that)....
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I REALLY hope this is a smokescreen....I do not want to touch him before round 3 (if that)....
Weeden will come off the board in round two perhaps some team might even trade back up in the late first and take him as their 2nd selection.
If Miami loses out on a QB [Tannehill], then they might do something (they have an extra 4th round pick from the bears) [Marshall].
Like the Ravens did with Flacco.
KC I think could be another team who might move up for him in the 2nd or late first.
So I think that we have to wait and see what transpires before we feel good about taking Weeden where we like him and I don't think we think he will realistically fall to pick #67.
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I don't understand your fetish for this guy. 
Who gives a damn about who he beats in college? Winning in college means nothing.
Yeah, but what about Colt McCoy? That guy...
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What if they trade down to 6, for picks 33 and a 2nd next year.
Get Melvin Ingram with the 6, and Weeden with the 22, and have the first pick of the 2nd day.
They could get Jeffrey, with 33,
Massie with 37,
and Lamichael James with 67 and have 9 more picks.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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What if they trade down to 6, for picks 33 and a 2nd next year.
Get Melvin Ingram with the 6, and Weeden with the 22, and have the first pick of the 2nd day.
They could get Jeffrey, with 33,
Massie with 37,
and Lamichael James with 67 and have 9 more picks.
Why would the rams make that trade? Unless they want richardson or Clairborne, they are not trading up.
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Hell I would be happy with receiving a 3rd and move down 1 spot to the Bucs, add another 3rd and move down 1 spot to the Rams, add a 3rd move down 1 spot to the Jags and then take Tannehill lol.
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My point is, the Browns and Bucs are almost certainly taking Richardson and Claiborne. So why would the rams trade to 4 to get a player that's going to be there at 6?
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I think that it was Mary Kay Cabot that I heard say that Jeffrey is not on the Browns board.
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I think that it was Mary Kay Cabot that I heard say that Jeffrey is not on the Browns board.
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She knows a lot more about the inner workings in Berea than you or I do.
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She knows a lot more about the inner workings in Berea than you or I do.
No doubt she does. But I know nothing, so knowing more ain't much.
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She had a lot of info with Butch but that has been on steady decline.
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I think it might have been Grossi, now that I think of it.
Let the real lambasting begin.
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Mary Kay wouldn't know the browns board if they spanked her with it.
They did... and it aroused her. 
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i've watched these QB's a lot..even though Tannehill's name has been floated ,I happen to like Weeden..in big games he upped his game and didn't rattle..thats important..Tannehill didn't play big when he really needed to and made some head scratching decisions.
I agree and I think Heckert would agree too, but will have to see how things shake out. I would think that we have him on our board at 37 ... Doesn't mean he will be the pick, but I believe that our interest in Weeden is truly genuine.
Who will the QB (whoever) have to throw to? Maybe I am a little bias here as a former WR myself, but will we ever have an above average WR?
Or will we continue to go with below average types and expect our running game / running backs, run against a stacked box.
How much better would Hillis have been with his excellent hands (better then TR's)
Folks see what Richardson did in College and try to envision him doing the same for us ... Reality check.
He will have a bulls eye on him until we first fix the QB and WR's positions.
We cut our alleged starting RT.
Is that what it's going to take for us to fill the other two bigger needs
(4 forever)?
Fine then cut the whole lot of them.
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This is whats important that a lot of fans forget..they think if a QB is taken then the Browns won't have a WR for him..well if the Browns take Richardson first..he's a RB not a wideout..so the problem still exists..I guess the other 12 picks are forgotten about..
Me thinks they learned their lesson of trotting out that disfunctional poor excuse of receivers Django hated..lol..I hated them worse..
I do know the Browns are looking at mid round recievers which tells me a lot..they may go RB/WR/QB first or drop down if possible.
Like I always say ,if they do their homework they can get a lot of holes plugged in this draft.
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I can't see us spending a 4 on a RB coming off of knee surgery in a draft this deep at RB. Wilson or Martin in the 2nd seems likely.
1a QB, 1b RT, 2 RB, 3 WR right now would be my guess. Sanu, Dwight Jones or the kid from Michigan would fit in the 3rd. Broyles would be a strong consideration in the 4th as well.
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A knee surgery? It was like a scope, you make it sound like he tore his ACL.
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Exactly. It was probably a 15 minute procedure.
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When they do a scope they cut small holes and slide in a camera and look to see what is causing the problem. Then they fix the problem. That is freaking surgery. Did they remove bone, cartilage, work on the pcl or ACL?
Any type of knee surgery is a concern for a running back. Geezz
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I had a scope done on my shoulder. The "holes" are one or 2 stitch closures. lol (I had 4 of them in my right shoulder)
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When they do a scope they cut small holes and slide in a camera and look to see what is causing the problem. Then they fix the problem. That is freaking surgery. Did they remove bone, cartilage, work on the pcl or ACL?
Any type of surgery is a concern for a running back. Geezz
I was a pitcher and my Senior year I had a scope. I had 4 incisions in my elbow and they went in to cut out bone spurs and cleaned up some cartilage and fragments and they staple the incisions shut. It was painful when I woke up but it is really a nothing procedure. Mine was a little more involved then a normal scope but it is like a routine cleaning. My arm feels way better than my non operated on arm when working out and is stronger.
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When they do a scope they cut small holes and slide in a camera and look to see what is causing the problem. Then they fix the problem. That is freaking surgery. Did they remove bone, cartilage, work on the pcl or ACL?
Any type of knee surgery is a concern for a running back. Geezz
From what I've read they did a scope to remove some 'particles'... which probably means when he banged up his knee on one of his teammates facemasks he had some cartilage come loose or something of the like. Usually is a minor surgery that you fully recover from within 2-3 weeks. Not a big deal...
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I would take Tannehill at 4. I believe he will be an elite QB. at 22 Reiff, Martin, Glenn they should be BPA anyway 37 RB will be BPA, take whichever you have highest for your system. 68 and 100 I take receivers. I think they will undoubtedly be highest value Take a look at the receivers ranked from 60 to 188. It is insane. web page
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I can't see us spending a 4 on a RB coming off of knee surgery in a draft this deep at RB.
I can't see us spending a 4 on a QB coming off foot surgery in a draft this deep at QB.
Looks kinda ridiculous coming at it from this end, doesn't it...
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come on toad you know damn well a RB with any type of knee issue is cause for alarm. If Tannehill had a shoulder injury like Weeden had then I would have a major cause for alarm.
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Hmmph. This year sure as hell ain't like 07. Most of us wanted one guy. Big Joe.
Course there were those that wanted Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson.
This year, if you put 12 Browns fans in a room you'd have 12 different opinions.
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come on toad you know damn well a RB with any type of knee issue is cause for alarm. If Tannehill had a shoulder injury like Weeden had then I would have a major cause for alarm.
No, Mourg, I don't actually know that, and apparently neither do the top scouts, draftniks, and teams in the NFL draft. Now don't take this personally, but I don't think you've got a certain inside knowledge that the rest of us don't have in this case.
Major knee injury? That's one thing, and one thing that this knee injury wasn't.
I haven't seen this big groundswell of concern over his knee, just as I haven't seen any worry over Tannehill's foot.
I think you're seeing what you'd like to see here man. I just haven't read or seen any concern which would make me believe the people in the know are afraid of his knee. It's been nothing but positive since his pro-day. I haven't heard a word negative about the knee at all since.
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My major cause for concern over Tannehill is that I see major flaws in his game. You see him as a future Hall of Fame QB or something. I sure don't. I see him as a massive project with as much, or more of a chance of busting badly.
I want a day 1, sure thing, starter at #4. I don't want a guy who will need to sit the entire forst year, and quite possibly for his entire career.
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From Pluto ........ Not exactly a glowing recommendation from a guy who has been in draft rooms ...... http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2012/04/terry_plutos_talkin_about_the_48.htmlA draft expert's view ... I like to talk draft with Dan Shonka of Ourlads.com because he was a former Division I college assistant coach, and then worked in the player personnel department for the Chiefs, Redskins and Eagles before taking over the scouting service in 2004. I asked him at Ryan Tannehill, and he almost moaned: "I can't believe how he's moving up some draft boards." Shonka then talked about being in the Eagles draft room in 1999 when they were set to pick Donovan McNabb, and an assistant coach suddenly began to push for Akili Smith -- who was that draft's later high-riser. The scouts prevailed, and McNabb was selected. Smith went to the Bengals, where he flopped. He's not saying Tannehill will have a dramatic rise and fall like Smith. "I had him as a second-rounder and I still have him as a second rounder," he said. "I'm tired of hearing that he had a great workout. I've been to a million workouts -- and never saw a bad one. They are all scripted. He needs work on his decision making, and especially his anticipation when it comes to making throws to the spot before the receiver gets there." Shonka believes Tannehill could become a starter, but it will take time. "In our draft book coming out, we have [Brandon] Weeden rated higher," he said. "He's a pure pocket passer. I like his accuracy and arm strength. He is excellent when it comes to those anticipation throws. I know he's older [28], but he's more mature, more ready for the NFL than Tannehill." What should the Browns do at No. 4? "No hesitation," he said. "Take Richardson. He'll help you control the ball, keep your defense off the field and can handle the pounding playing in the AFC North. He's 227 pounds and he's the best running back that I've seen since Adrian Peterson. I love the way he catches the toss on a sweep and goes around end." A sleeper for the Browns? "You'll like this one -- Frank Minnifield's son [Chase Minnifield of Virginia]," said Shonka. "A lot of people discount him because of his size [5-10, 182], but I think he can play cornerback."
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Very fascinating. Thanks for posting.
I've never paid attention to Shonka, if only because I never took the time to explore ourlads.com. However, I suddenly think this guy is the smartest scout I've ever read about.
Always called Tannehill a 2nd round project, and always said Richardson is the best guy for our pick.
Where can I get a Shonka Jersey? 
Having said that, I decided to look at his mock draft, updated on 4-10-12. Guess who I didn't find? Tannehill. Anywhere.
I know it's intentional but what a joke. Tannehill still falling to the 2nd round? Suuuuure.
For those who are curious, he has us going Richardson then Adams.
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Unless they trade up to get him I don't think Tannehill falls past Miami at 8... I personally thought he was late 1st round early 2nd round material... he could be a great QB in this league but I think he's got a lot of risk and is a major project...
I agree with you Toad... I think our #1 guy has always been Richardson. I really think we have three guys we're looking at: Richardson, Kali, and Claiborne.
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