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Obvious guys like Kalil, Claiborne, Blackmon, Luck, RGIII are gone
Let's start with Dallas pick at #14 as I think it gets too expensive any higher...
-Richardson for sure
-Tannehill (maybe the hype is wrong?)
-Floyd?
-Cody Glenn towards the late teens?
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Cody Glenn towards the late teens?
I wouldn't take him nor his brother Cordy neither.
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There are alot of value players in the front 7, pass rushers. Ordinarily in any NFL draft, and oh my gosh I think eveyone on this board has been following the 1st round of the draft for at least 7 years, with a passion. Ordinarily in any NFL draft, the TOP 7 picks include at least 3 of what would be the best pass rusher in the position of Defensive tackle, the best pass rusher from the defensive end position and the best pass rusher in the position of Outside linebacker.
This draft is extra ordinary in that the Browns could be in position to move down 2 spots to #6 and still get the very 1st pass rusher to come off of the board.
Ordinarilly, the very best pass rusher is not even available at pick #4. Many years the Browns are in no position to grab the very best pass rusher, or even one of the top 3.
Some candidates, (because only teams would know their own board) of who might be the very best pass rusher in this draft might include some of.
Quentin Coples
Whitney Mercilus
Melvin Ingram
Courtney Upshaw
Michael Brockers
Devon Still
or Fletcher Cox. Other players they might trade back up for include quarterbacks, Ryan Tannehill, or Brandon Weeden,
Any of the offensive tackles after Matt Kalil,
Or One of the offensive skilled position players that are not named Richardson or Blackmon, ... or even Blackmon or Richardson, though that seems less likely, ( they would just take them).
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Some people have us trading up from 22 ..... but I don't think that we will. I don't see us using any of our higher picks to move up from anywhere at this point. I actually could see us trade down from 22 as well.
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The only way I see us trading up from 22 is if we trade down from 4. I wouldn't be mad if we made a move like we did last year, trading a third round pick to move up a few spots to make sure we get the guy we want.
Again I would only trade back up if we traded down with our 4th pick. Because if we traded down we would probably have somewhere between 15 and 17 picks. There is no way we need to use all of those picks.
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There is no way we need to use all of those picks? 17 I disagree
I disagree because 17 picks especially with the compensatorys being over 200th overall, are not going to yield more than 11, or 12 players who would make the 53 man roster. Also, the trade down, with the way this Gm trades up is probably realistically only going to net 13-15 picks.
Now I know I can find 13-15 players who spent time on the Browns 53 man roster last year, or time on the practice squad, who either should be on the bubble to be on a roster or at least could benefit from competition for their spot.
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Some people have us trading up from 22 ..... but I don't think that we will. I don't see us using any of our higher picks to move up from anywhere at this point. I actually could see us trade down from 22 as well.
At this point the only trade downs will be for a #1 pick next year. I would like to see more trade ups....get better players and don't worry about quantity of players.
Drafting guys who we are probably going to get cut doesn't help the team. We need to draft players who are going to replace some players on the team.
I'd trade every one of our picks past the 2nd round for another mid to high level 2nd and just make our draft two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders.
Four starters.
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Some people have us trading up from 22 ..... but I don't think that we will. I don't see us using any of our higher picks to move up from anywhere at this point. I actually could see us trade down from 22 as well.
At this point the only trade downs will be for a #1 pick next year. I would like to see more trade ups....get better players and don't worry about quantity of players.
Drafting guys who we are probably going to get cut doesn't help the team. We need to draft players who are going to replace some players on the team.
I'd trade every one of our picks past the 2nd round for another mid to high level 2nd and just make our draft two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders.
Four starters.
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I would like to see us maximize the number of picks we have in the 2-4 rounds. We can't do anything with the compensatory picks except use them, but we can trade back up in the 3rd/4th using the later picks, and we probably should.
There is no way in hell that 14-16 picks make this team. That being the case, we should do whatever we can to increase the number of picks we have in the rounds that matter most, and work back up out5 of the round that matter least.
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Might not need to trade up for him, but I hope they're at least considering TE Coby Fleener with the #22 pick. We need a TE, and Watson's concussion issues could become chronic.
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However, is TE a position that Heckert would take in the 1st round, or is it easier to find a quality TE than it is to find quality at other positions?
I doubt that we look at TE in the 1st round. We have Alex Smith, who is a quality TE, along with Moore and Cameron who we drafted last year. I would be stunned if we took a TE in the 1st round.
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I don't think Smith is a starting TE, more of a 2nd TE in run formations (hopefully, not at RB). Moore and Cameron appear to be oversized slot receivers to me - neither seems to be much of a blocker. The scouting report on Fleener said he was a very effective inline blocker in college, but questioned whether he was strong enough to maintain that in the NFL. However, he did lift 27 times in the 225# bench press. He also has the speed to get to the deep middle, which opens up all kinds of things for your wideouts. Kind of like Winslow did for Edwards and Joe J in '07.
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Floyd, Tannenhill if he's hanging after the mid teens.
Richardson? He ain't getting that far, if we don't already have him at that point.
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I just have a feeling that TE is not a position that Heckert looks for in the 1st round of the draft.
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Maybe so. It all depends on whether they view him as elite, or simply the best in a weak year for TE's.
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TE's are very weak group this year.
IDK i may be a homer but I would love to get Stoneburner next year. He's another Gradkowski imo. Big, strong, athletic, Good hands, can run with the ball and can block.
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The Browns may never take any kind of receiver from OSU again after Robiskie's fail, LOL. I may be a Buckeye honk too, but I wouldn't mind a later round (4th?) flyer on Devier Posey this year. He can run routes and he's faster than Robiskie. I think he ran 4.37 at his pro day, although "only" 4.47 at the Combine.
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I just have a feeling that TE is not a position that Heckert looks for in the 1st round of the draft.
If not then he should strongly consider Dwayne Allen. More of the type of TE they would target in my opinion. Allen would be an every down TE with Moore, Cameron possibly lining up as passing down TE even splitting one out wide. Watson is a good TE and a great teammate from what I gather but he might consider retiring soon with the Concussion issues. Alex Smith got signed to a one year deal I think which could put Cameron on the practice squad or the release of Moore inevitable if they went that route.
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Floyd, Tannenhill if he's hanging after the mid teens.
Richardson? He ain't getting that far, if we don't already have him at that point.
Edit- possibly for Mike Adams as well. Need us a bookend.
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Not really interested in trading up, the Browns have too many needs.
RB, WR, RT, DE, those should be the first 4 picks, choose your order, but I would prefer to have them in the first 3 rounds.
We can add other position needs later, but for now, those are the starters that should come from the draft.
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Not really interested in trading up, the Browns have too many needs.
RB, WR, RT, DE, those should be the first 4 picks, choose your order, but I would prefer to have them in the first 3 rounds.
We can add other position needs later, but for now, those are the starters that should come from the draft.
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I've thought about this scenario, but as someone else has already mentioned ... It might not happen unless we trade down from pick #4, thus adding more ammunition/picks in the 2nd round.
We could then pair our pick #22 and pick# 67 (possibly a 5th round pick too) to move up to pick #14 [Dallas] or pick #15 [Philly] and I would think that Glenn would be our target if he gets passed pick #13 [Arizona].
Still keeping two picks in the 2nd round.
As far as a trade down with the Rams at pick #6. Everyone is assuming that it will be Blackmon or Kalil (assuming the Vikings trade out of the 3 slot) whom they will be targeting.
With Jeff Fisher's history [Titans] and MO I can see Kalil as a good possibility, but I have a hard time seeing him even selecting a WR in the first round, let alone trading up for one.
He is too old school for that imo.
Kalil would make better sense with his history in mind ... After that Richardson and Claiborne, but I think that we can forget about them trading up from 6 to 4 in order to draft Blackmon.
We could still take Blackmon at 4, but it's probably more likely that we will not. If The Rams do truly want him then they will not need to make this trade, so imo if this trade happens, then we can also get Blackmon with the #6 pick.
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#4 Tannehill
5. Bucs Claiborne
6 Rams Blackmon
7 Jags Ingram
8 Phins Floyd
9. Panthers Coples
10. Bills Reiff
11. Chiefs Poe
12. SEahawks Kuechly
13. cards Glenn
14. Cowboys Barron
15. Browns Richardson for pick 22,68 and 139
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This draft is extra ordinary in that the Browns could be in position to move down 2 spots to #6 and still get the very 1st pass rusher to come off of the board.
I don't understand this kind of thinking. Another example (and I am in no way a Tannehill fan) is that we shouldn't take Tannehill at #4 because he is the 3rd rated Qb. Just because someone is the top rated pass rusher doesn't mean that he is better than the 3rd rated Qb or the 12 rated tackle. All that means is that he is better than the other pass rushers.
If the top 3 Qb's were Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger, would you take your top rated pass rusher over any of those guys? Maybe over Ben because he is a D-bag but who knew that on his draft day. Would you take the top rated TE over any of those guys? Oh wait we did. That sure was a good decision.
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I think the best pass rusher in the draft will be Courtney Upshaw...
I feel like he is going to have just a beastly career. whether its as a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE, hes going to kill it. Mark that down
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#4 Tannehill
5. Bucs Claiborne
6 Rams Blackmon
7 Jags Ingram
8 Phins Floyd
9. Panthers Coples
10. Bills Reiff
11. Chiefs Poe
12. SEahawks Kuechly
13. cards Glenn
14. Cowboys Barron
15. Browns Richardson for pick 22,67 and 139
One of many possible out comes.
With that said,
I don't think that the Panther will go with a DE at pick #9, they really need help at DT/MLB and they could also be looking for another WR too.
Cox, Kuechly and or Floyd is my guess.
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I think Coples gets moved back to DT at the next level. This kid was a beast as a DT.
I meant to add, DT on passing downs and DE on run downs. He fits really well in their scheme as a nickel DT.
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The Panthers will go either DT or Wr depending upon who is available at their pick and whether or not they prefer to give Newton another weapon or sturdy up their woefully inadequate defense.
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I think Coples gets moved back to DT at the next level. This kid was a beast as a DT.
I meant to add, DT on passing downs and DE on run downs. He fits really well in their scheK
me as a nickel DT.
He needs a little more sand in the bucket for DT at this level.
I just see Coples as a fall'er in this years Draft.
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Coples is a big dude. He plays at a solid 290lbs. He would have no problems at all moving over to DT on pass downs which is most downs in today's NFL lol.
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The Panthers will go either DT or Wr depending upon who is available at their pick and whether or not they prefer to give Newton another weapon or sturdy up their woefully inadequate defense.
looking at DT-depth vs. WR-depth, I expect them to go DT in the 1st. They may even trade down a bit as Brockers (my favorite) and Fletcher are both highly rated (I think Poe will end up on a 3-4 team and is over-rated anyway).
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Chiefs have been looking for a true nose and Poe could be their Richard Seymore in the middle.
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Chiefs have been looking for a true nose and Poe could be their Richard Seymore in the middle.
yes, that could be a good spot for him. I think he is athletic enough to switch between NT and DE like Seymour did as well. I don't know if he is as skilled (tough time telling in the couple games I saw, but he was a bit undisciplined - could just have been the strategy though).
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I don't think we could be quite that efficient but I agree with the theory. I would package everything we can below the 3rd round to move back up and have as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as we can get.
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The Panthers will go either DT or Wr depending upon who is available at their pick and whether or not they prefer to give Newton another weapon or sturdy up their woefully inadequate defense.
looking at DT-depth vs. WR-depth, I expect them to go DT in the 1st. They may even trade down a bit as Brockers (my favorite) and Fletcher are both highly rated (I think Poe will end up on a 3-4 team and is over-rated anyway).
I think the Panthers will Draft Cox with the 9th pick.
I agree that Poe is over rated, but KC really needs a NT. I think it's their biggest need.
It's still a big if but if Glenn drops past Arizona at pick #13, then I would hope that we would try and move up to grab him before the Bengals do. The Bengals would probably move him to OG or Draft Decastro.
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I think the Panthers will Draft Cox with the 9th pick.
I agree that Poe is over rated, but KC really needs a NT. I think it's their biggest need.
It's still a big if but if Glenn drops past Arizona at pick #13, then I would hope that we would try and move up to grab him before the Bengals do. The Bengals would probably move him to OG or Draft Decastro.
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The Panthers just extended Steve Smith's deal and they had the #5 offense in the NFL and something around #29 defense... they need to load up on defense this draft.. run stopping, pass rushing, coverage, they need it all.
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I pick TR at 4 and see what I need to do to trade 22 (or whatever) and maybe next years first to come back up and get Blackmon. I don't even know if it's doable but have no real problem using next years #one for this year. We'd see what Colt could or could not do with a few weapons!
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If by some stroke of idiocy, Blackmon is available at #12 (and we took Richardson at #4) I'd trade with Seattle to move up to get him. Seattle is rumored to be interested in trading down targeting Hightower and/or Barron, so 22 would be their sweet spot. Should be able to move up for #22 + #37... they could get both their coveted players for their first-round pick and still have their second.
I'd be interested in moving up to #15 for Cordy Glenn, as I don't think he makes it through Cincy (2x), SD, and CHI. Might be able to do it for #22, #67, #118.
I'd also be interested in seeing what it would cost to move up to #12-#15 for Richardson from #22 (if we took Blackmon at #4, #6, or #8), though if it was more than #22 + #37 I'd prefer to sit tight and just draft Martin at #37.
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