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The Cleveland Browns are split on whether to take Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon or Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill with the fourth overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, Sports Illustrated reported Monday. Citing unnamed sources, the magazine reported that Browns general manager Tom Heckert is sold on Blackmon while president Mike Holmgren is weighing whether the team should go with Tannehill. Last week, The Plain Dealer reported that the Browns might also trade the pick, though CSN Philadelphia reported that the Philadelphia Eagles won't be among the teams bidding for it. The Browns also currently have the No. 22 pick and have been linked to several high-profile prospects, including running back Trent Richardson and quarterback Brandon Weeden. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82...gn=Twitter_news
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more interesting to me is from the same Peter King story (that this one seems to be stealing from) is that SJAX could be traded. I like that idea. get SJAX for a 4th or 5th (as a RB near the end of his career but also one that is a perfect fit for our offense). and be able to utilize all our top picks on other positions: Quote:
5. Jeff Fisher loves Trent Richardson, and the impact of the Rams ending up with the Alabama running back would be huge. First, the Rams would presumably either trade or release Steve Jackson if this happens. I don't see them paying Jackson $7 million in 2012 to share the job with a player certain to eclipse him soon. And that big number takes some logical teams (Steelers, Giants) out of the running for Jackson. Now, I view this scenario as unlikely anyway, because the Rams simply have to get receiver help for Sam Bradford. But if Justin Blackmon is gone here and Richardson's still there, he's logical for the Rams. Of course, Cleveland likes Richardson a lot, and rookie Tampa coach Greg Schiano does too, so I don't see Richardson making it to six.
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Copied from another thread : Let's pretend we're actually targeting Trent Richardson ... Is this realistic? 1. Indianapolis - Luck 2. Washington - RGIII 3. Minnesota - Kahlil We're sitting at 4. We bluff that we want Blackmon. St. Louis trades #6 and #39 for the 4 pick. 4. St. Louis - Blackmon 5. Tampa Bay - Claiborne We're at 6. Bluff that we want Tannehill. Miami trades #8, #42 for #6. 6. Miami - Tannehill 7. Jacksonville - Ingram Then we end up with picks 8, 22, 37, 39, 42 
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Bingo....Its all a smoke screen to get other teams to get jumpy and move up...I do believe you've hit this one on the head....And yes, I'd do those trades, that would be nice.
If no trades are made, we take Richardson
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Tannehill at 4 is completely dumb and stupid. We'd be settling for the 3rd best qb, the 2nd/3rd best wr and the 2nd/3rd best Rb in the draft. It doesn't make any sense to me. At 4, we should take the number 1 of something and not settle for less, especially with #1 and #2 qbs going 1 & 2.
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Tannehill at 4 is completely dumb and stupid. We'd be settling for the 3rd best qb, the 2nd/3rd best wr and the 2nd/3rd best Rb in the draft. It doesn't make any sense to me. At 4, we should take the number 1 of something and not settle for less, especially with #1 and #2 qbs going 1 & 2.
Which means Richardson.
Because I don't think you can fully say Blackmon is the #1 WR...
If you want QB/WR/RB...
Go Richardson, Weeden, and Sanu or Jeffery. If Jeffery gets his crap right I think he can be a solid #1 across from Little... Sanu is just a safe WR pick IMO.
I'm not saying I wanna draft Weeden, but to your point, that'd be the best plan...
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The Cleveland Browns are split on whether to take Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon or Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill with the fourth overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, Sports Illustrated reported Monday.
In other news, the Cleveland Browns want to trade out of the #4 spot.
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So it's official.. we're taking Richardson.
EXACTLY what I came in here to post.
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This tells me Claiborne or Richardson are our guy and we're feeding the trade fodder.
Personally, I'll be livid if we take Tannehill at #4.
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In other news, the Cleveland Browns want to trade out of the #4 spot.
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I am inclined to agree. If it's reported and rumored, the eternal "unnamed sources" are drawing overtime being wrong. This may be the newest smokescreen of the day. If they leak it, it is not so. We told the truth with Couch and that didn't go so well. Richardson seems plausible. Best man available vs. pick enough for some to succeed. I just want it to get here. I want to start rooting for the new Brownies already. 
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Tannehill at 4 is completely dumb and stupid. We'd be settling for the 3rd best qb
Steelers took big ben, he wasn't ready to run an NFL offense. How did that work out for them.
Leinart, vince young and then there was Jay cutler. His college stats weren't all that. His teams didnt really beat anyone. Matt was the most pro ready QB since Peyton Manning lolVY was the most exciting QB since Randle Cunningham. Jay was raw and needed to clean up his game.
Great physical plus great coaching equates success if the guy is intelligent and is willing to put in the work. If Tannehill wasn't so damn smart and had a freakish skill set, we wouldnt be interested but he has everything you want in a QB and we are interested.
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Let's pretend we're actually targeting Trent Richardson ... Is this realistic?
1. Indianapolis - Luck
2. Washington - RGIII
3. Minnesota - Kahlil
We're sitting at 4. We bluff that we want Blackmon. St. Louis trades #6 and #39 for the 4 pick.
4. St. Louis - Blackmon
5. Tampa Bay - Claiborne
We're at 6. Bluff that we want Tannehill. Miami trades #8, #42 for #6.
6. Miami - Tannehill
7. Jacksonville - Ingram
Then we end up with picks 8, 22, 37, 39, 42
I like, I really like. Can one of us call St. Louis and Miami to get this proposal completed by the end of today? 
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Citing unnamed sources, the magazine reported that Browns general manager Tom Heckert is sold on Blackmon while president Mike Holmgren is weighing whether the team should go with Tannehill.
As coach MH is awesome, team president he is ok, as GM - ugh. We see how well he did at that post in Seattle. Heckert has a much stronger track record. Holmgren should sit back and let Heckert do his job.
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I think Holmgren is letting Heckert do his job. Part of Holmgren's job is to leak information during draft time making it seem like we are leaning one way or the other. That helps Heckert out a lot.
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The blueprint for deception is built in such a way that you can almost set your watch by it.
Teams sitting in the cat-bird's seat sit quietly by and read the waves. When the truly hot player that other teams may covet shows up a couple of weeks before the draft, the cat-bird team starts making noise about that player.
Everyone knows we are interested in trading down. The game of deception involves which player we really want and how far down we're willing to go.
The Browns already know who they want......but they ain't tellin'.
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That's what I'm trying to say. Holmgren has to like Tannehill right now.
I think our ideal situation would be to trade down with the Rams. They will take Blackmon or Richardson. (If they are going to take Richardson maybe we could even get Stephen Jackson in the deal.) The Buccaneers then take Richardson (if not taken by the Rams) or Claiborne.
It would go like this:
4. Rams - Richardson
5. Bucs - Claiborne
6. Browns - Blackmon
Or this:
4. Rams - Blackmon
5. Bucs - Richardson
6. Browns - Claiborne
And finally:
4. Rams - Blackmon
5. Bucs - Claiborne
6. Browns - Richardson
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I'd be happy with Richardson, Blackmon or Claiborne, especially if it means we pick up a few more higher round picks.
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As coach MH is awesome, team president he is ok, as GM - ugh. We see how well he did at that post in Seattle. Heckert has a much stronger track record. Holmgren should sit back and let Heckert do his job.
Look at Seattle's Superbowl team - tell me how many players he acquired (draft, trade, FA) that were contributors versus Ruskell or any other of their GMs.
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It would go like this:
4. Rams - Richardson
5. Bucs - Claiborne
6. Browns - Blackmon
Same thing I've been stating.
If they know that we could be leaning towards Blackmon, then the Rams would want to jump ahead of TB to draft Richardson. We will take the 6th pick and perhaps the 39th pick in exchange.
At pick #22 (possibly trading up) we take the best available RT, with pick #37, QB Branden Weeden and still have the 39th pick to use on a RB [Polk] unless we can get Jackson, in witch case we could go defense with that selection.
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I think Holmgren is letting Heckert do his job. Part of Holmgren's job is to leak information during draft time making it seem like we are leaning one way or the other. That helps Heckert out a lot.
I hope that is the case
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The blueprint for deception is built in such a way that you can almost set your watch by it.
Teams sitting in the cat-bird's seat sit quietly by and read the waves. When the truly hot player that other teams may covet shows up a couple of weeks before the draft, the cat-bird team starts making noise about that player.
Everyone knows we are interested in trading down. The game of deception involves which player we really want and how far down we're willing to go.
The Browns already know who they want......but they ain't tellin'.
So what you are saying is that next year, the Browns should start in about February laying out exactly what they plan to do for the media, who they are interested in, who they have rated highly, and who supports whom... and nobody will believe them. 
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As others have noted, it has been so insanely quiet on the Richardson front, that he just seems like the guy to me (if I'm taking a guess).
I still have yet to buy in to the trade down chatter. The only plausible scenario being STL at #6.
Assuming Cleveland doesn't want him at #4 (Richardson) or better yet thinks they can get him at #6, their best value in a trade down is someone jumping up to #3 to take Tannehill (so I see why that makes sense to float the idea CLE is interested). QB's at 1, 2 and 3 leave the best best OT, WR and RB all on the board at #4. Not a bad position to be in.
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It would go like this:
4. Rams - Richardson
5. Bucs - Claiborne
6. Browns - Blackmon
Same thing I've been stating.
If they know that we could be leaning towards Blackmon, then the Rams would want to jump ahead of TB to draft Richardson. We will take the 6th pick and perhaps the 39th pick in exchange.
At pick #22 (possibly trading up) we take the best available RT, with pick #37, QB Branden Weeden and still have the 39th pick to use on a RB [Polk] unless we can get Jackson, in witch case we could go defense with that selection.
I wonder if Steven Jackson and #6 would be the deal though.
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#6 + SJAX isn't nearly enough.
aging RBs are not worth more than a mid-round pick.
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I wonder if Steven Jackson and #6 would be the deal though.
Does Steven Jackson grade out as being worth a pick as high as #39? Given that is the hypothetical pick he'd be replacing? I would say absolutely not.
He's going to be 29 in July. He's approaching the age where most running backs turn in to ghosts.
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How about if we trade down with St Louis for Jackson, the #6 pick, and a 2nd rounder?
I'd do that in a second.
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Jackson doesn't offer much value to me. Seems like he is always nursing an injury. Let's not confuse name recognition with value. Besides, I would much rather get one of their 1st next year 
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It would go like this:
4. Rams - Richardson
5. Bucs - Claiborne
6. Browns - Blackmon
Same thing I've been stating.
If they know that we could be leaning towards Blackmon, then the Rams would want to jump ahead of TB to draft Richardson. We will take the 6th pick and perhaps the 39th pick in exchange.
At pick #22 (possibly trading up) we take the best available RT, with pick #37, QB Branden Weeden and still have the 39th pick to use on a RB [Polk] unless we can get Jackson, in witch case we could go defense with that selection.
I wonder if Steven Jackson and #6 would be the deal though.
I don't think so, because we could be doing them a favor by taking on his huge salary along with his 2,100 carries.
He is not a long term solution, but then most don't seem to be around very long anyway. I'm not sure that this is anything more then speculation, but
Players only sweeten the deal and perhaps nullify the need for additional picks/swaps.
Just a guess hehe, but I'll be willing to bet, that this would meet with Coach Shurmur's approval.
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I'm with everybody else. I don't see a FO that sat silent during FA viewing a RB that is nearing 30 years old as an ample replacement for a 1st or 2nd round pick. If we wanted 30 year old players with marquee names, we would have signed a few already.
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I would do that deal in a heartbeat. As a guy who has watched a lot of rams games the last couple years I can tell you that he's a beast, a great teammate and has a few more years left IMO.
We can address RB later. He knows our offense cold and we see if Hurtesty has anything to offer. I'd love to make that trade
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Done! Jackson gives you a bridge, experience picking up blitzes, you can spell him with Hardesty and Jackson on third downs to keep him fresh. He has averaged over 4 yards a carry every year except one and was at 4.4 last year. It allows you to get Blackmon, RT, and Weeden if they like. Personally I would go Blackmon and Fleener, Hill or Wright.
Our Wideouts on any given play would be Blackmon, Wright and Little with Jackson in the backfield..major upgrades.
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even up? I would want at least a #3 if nothing else.
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As I said in another thread, I don't think we want to ignore the D. If we go O on our first pick then we need to go D with our #22 or at the latest #37. Were on the verge of having a Big-time D, we just need to keep up the high picks.
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Even up.
We have major holes and there are five prospects that are arguably in an even tier.
Subtract Richardson and we have either Kalil, Blackmon, Claiborne or Tannehill available at 6.
That works for me.
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I'm with everybody else. I don't see a FO that sat silent during FA viewing a RB that is nearing 30 years old as an ample replacement for a 1st or 2nd round pick. If we wanted 30 year old players with marquee names, we would have signed a few already.
We can still draft a RB later or can we not? Like I said though this is all speculation at this point, but whether or not we get a Steve Jackson as part of any trade. I think that it could still be a good option if the situation comes to question.
We have 13 picks, but I'm not sure how many holes we can fill, surly some will not get filled this year, but add another high 2nd round pick and we could subtract another one 'this' year off the list.
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We have major holes and there are five prospects that are arguably in an even tier.
Subtract Richardson and we have either Kalil, Blackmon, Claiborne or Tannehill available at 6.
That works for me.
Tannehill doesn't even come close to belonging in that group. You have a day 1 starter at LT, a very good #1 WR, a day 1 starter at CB.. and a project at QB...
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As I said in another thread, I don't think we want to ignore the D. If we go O on our first pick then we need to go D with our #22 or at the latest #37. Were on the verge of having a Big-time D, we just need to keep up the high picks.
While I don't disagree I think they did the addressing on the D besides LB. I would not be surprised at all to see our first four picks on the offensive side of the ball.
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Ok, that might not be a bad idea. If we got a RB, then a QB, we could go DE at #22. Then back to O. I like that.
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