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Assume it's true... Russell & Quinn go 1-2. Does Phil lose his job for not moving up to two? No. Does he trade down, or take Thomas, AP or even Calvin? Maybe. Are we better off than we were before? Definitely. Savage has stated that he's happy with the 3rd pick, will listen to trade down offers, but will unlikely trade up.
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Who the hell knows until April 28th.
NOBODY But I get a kick out of many people thinking they do  Hell Phil won't even know untill we are on the clock since nobody knows what will happen with the 1st two picks.
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Is it Management pushing for a QB or is it the Press???  JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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LOL,, I stoped reading the responses after just the first 5 or 6,, you guys are actually falling for this...LOL Gimme a break..
While I think that anything is possible, but honestly, given how Randy has handled himself so far, do you see any reason to think he would stick his nose in it now.. he just doesn't strike me as that type of owner.
Did he maybe say to Phil,,, why don't we look at a QB in the first? Of course that's possible.. In fact, it's probably likely.. But do I think it's causing a split,,,,,NO, I don't!
It's draft time rumors and misdirection...
Randy did say something a month or so back about hoping that we could get Jamarcus Russell in the draft.. He said it to I think Mary Kay Cabot when asked who he wanted in the draft. That was either an honest comment or another smokescreen..
Are things adding up yet?
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No you didn't.
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I saw reports Lerner was in South Bend. If he didn't have any input, why be there?
I don't have a real problem with owners using their sway or veto power because I know it is there. Always has been, always will be. There isn't a person here who could say with a straight face that if they owned a team they wouldn't hold the final say and wouldn't chime in every once in a while.
Randy wants to capture some excitment going into next season, and nothing does that like a brand new qb or runningback.
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LSU just had thier Pro Day, so be ready for the media to declare Browns Phil savage will take Russell if Oakland & Detroit Pass on him, common guys all this talk is nothing but Line fillers for the papers.Were not gonna know unitl April 28th.
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Not sure which thread it was in but one report said Randy wanted Quinn because he was an Ohio boy that wanted to play for the Browns and that this would energize the fanbase.
Hello.......did he forget that he already has a QB that fits this exact description? I'm "energized" enough at the start of opening day. I need to be energized at the end of the season once. Winning will do this. I don't need Brady Quinn to pump me up. Unless it means he's bringing a winning record with him.
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Oh,,,Ok,, I admit it 
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Randy wants to capture some excitment going into next season, and nothing does that like a brand new qb or runningback.
While that's a true statement, it's the wrong reason to draft either of those two positions.. If that's the need and there's one available when you pick,, certainly,, you gotta pull the trigger. But picking a QB or RB just to peak public interest is way wrong..
For the record Peen, I know you know that already!
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For the record Peen, I know you know that already!
Yes...I do.
But it isn't like Quinn is a scrub. At least the kid offers what you look for in a qb.....how that eventually translates to the NFL is the $64,000 question that has vexed NFL people forever.
To Otto's comment....I agree to an extent, but there isn't any real comparison between Quinn and Chuck.
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Peen, please note that I said nothing about a particular QB or RB... the reason for my comment wasn't to knock or pimp any player,, it was merely to state that making the sexy pick for the sake of public interest is wrong,,, doesn't matter what name is on the jersey..
Doing something like that is what got us Tim Couch in 99,,, sexy pick gone bad.. Just as another example,, William Green,, Again, sexy pick gone bad.. in the interest of fairness, it's gone the other way also,,, how about Gerard Warren, totally unsexy pick gone bad LOL
But I'm not in anyway saying that Quinn or Russell are bad guys and not worthy. Either may well be.
There was a thread somewhere on here about "who don't you want in the first" and my comment was that of the five guys that are most associated with the TOP 5, Russell, Quinn, Thomas, Johnson and Peterson, there isn't one guy that I can't find a way to be happy about.. I just think, it's time to spend the money and pick on the Oline.. Thomas is the guy I want of that group,,
In a couple of years, it may prove to have been a huge mistake,,, I just don't think so.
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U guys are so frickin gullibale ... relax folks ... for now were in a good spot ... a REAL GOOD SPOT ... and quite frankly nothing can happen to change that ... so just RELAX ...
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And yet we STILL bite like hungry fish in the weeds.................
I'm a Lion I want meat..
Peterson.........Thomas..........Quinn...........Russell............Branch.............<<insert draft pick here>...........any of those guys are better than what we have now.
You know I shouldn't say this..our first pick is going to be a good one, just as you said better than what we have..Russell may be the only one I cringe at because I really don't know if he's a long term NFL QB..but if Randy pushes for Quinn and we get him..well it's a upgrade over French Frye..if it's Thomas well we KNOW what that means ..if it's Peterson I hope it's due to a tradedown..
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Where is Frye during all this draft a QB hype......Working out in Berea, keeping his mouth Shut, not yelling Trade me, Respect em....People dont underestimate his class, leadership or football ability,
People give up way to fast on players around here, Thank God my parents or yours never gave up on us this fast or we'd be Raven, bengals or steeler fans...
While Everybody penciles in Russell or Quinn at # 3 pick and Starting QB in September, whats Frye doing working learning, bettering himself, keeping his mouth shut and being a leader this team hasnt had in YEARS..
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Good post Clay...
Frye deserves next season as "make or break" season.....
I look at it like this:
1. we need a LT for sure, we "may need" a franchise QB, we don´t know yet....
2. you take your franchise LT before you draft your franchise QB....Football 101
3. If we take Thomas and Frye fails, we will pick high enough for next years franchise QB, who then has a franchise LT with 1year of experience...if Frye improves we are even better of
4. If we take a QB, we still don´t have a LT and if Frye fails then, we still don´t know if we have a QB since the rookie is still ??
Conclusion: I really don´t see how anybody can be against Thomas as our choice...makes the most sense imho
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FWIW.....I really don´t hope Randy is trying to pull an Al Davis...hope it´s all smokescreen
NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Browns management is pushing to take a quarterback with the No. 3 overall pick.
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Yeah I saw that last night. Schefter said then "Browns have let it be known" they want a quarterback and he seemed sure about it. I'm not sure that isn't smoke screen, some pre-drat spin.
Please jesus phil, don't take Russell. If we have to take a QB, give me Brady.
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First time I heard anyone put it so well about Frye.. Clay, you have hit the nail on the head with your thoughts on Frye. But let's be honest., hardly anyone, even those that think Frye is NOT the guy to lead this team, all feel pretty much the same about his committment and class..
You don't hear anything about his attitude, or about his lacking class.. You never hear anyone complain about his work ethiic either..
Complaints about Frye center around ability to read Defenses, arm strength and general overall ability to make the right decisions quickly enough, hand size, etc etc.. but never do you hear anyone of value on these boards comment about his commitment to the Browns or to trying to better himself..
Personally, I agree with you that some on here are too quick to kick someone to the curb.. they see a shiny new toy (quinn or russell) and they want it just to want it.. so they make stuff up or embellish things to make it seem as if Frye CAN'T be the guy.. And there are also the guys on here have a genuine concern about his abilities and they state that rather well.
Myself, I think he can be, but I think it's gonna take a better line and Phil seem to be hell bent to get him one..
So I want him around a while longer to be sure. we have time to develop him.. We aren't gonna win the superbowl next season anyway so let's find out what we have in Charlie.
JMO,,, nothing more
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I think it's smokescreen. Think about the things that have happened. Lerner comes out in an interview and says he would like to have Russell. Then he shows up at Quinn's Pro Day but not Russells. The two don't really jibe.
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I think we have a pretty good idea what we have in Frye thats why we are looking real hard at Quinn and Russell and why we have talked trade with the Falcons. Frankly Frye just hasnt shown any progression at all. When u are #1 in starting field position and next to last in pts something is wrong.
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Mour, I don't want to get into a peeing contest with you,, let's just say that I disagree and leave it at that
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When u are #1 in starting field position and next to last in pts something is wrong.
Not to sound nasty here, but how many O-lineman have we signed, that right there should be a big clue to the real problem.
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U guys need to do something only a handful of people do..
You have to look at the individual skills ..
Even if the supporting cast is inept , what does Frye have in himself?
We've had this discussion way too many times so I don't have to go there, but I see a QB who doesn't possess all of whats needed to produce consistantly and win games..
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I'm not sold on Frye, either, attack, and there's legit arguments about his skill set not being enough of what a team needs.
But he deserves a chance to have a solid OL in front of him or we'll never know for certain. Until then, it could be argued for all eternity.
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U guys need to do something only a handful of people do..
That handful would be those that agree with you right? Just yanking your chain a little.
Most of this stuff about Frye is moot anyway... waste of time to discuss because in 43 or so days, the answer will be evident what Savage and his team think of Frye.
If they take a QB in the first (no matter which one) then you can bet the writing is on the wall for Frye. (unless who ever we take holds out like Phillip Rivers in SD and then Frye pulls a Brees and lights it up)..
But if we take Thomas or Peterson,, and don't do something at QB,, my guess is he has another year or more to prove himself..
Either way, the decision will be made by people who are supposed to know more than you and me..
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I see this as a vote of confidence to the coaching staff (from upper management). Romeo / Phil may not take a QB in round 1, and instead take a player that can have an immediate impact in order to save their jobs. If Brady is chosen, he likely will not start until next year. If we have another sub 6 win season, Phil or Romeo may be on the hot seat. Now, because management is on board for the long haul (choosing a QB has that thinking), Phil and Romeo can feel more secure.
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If we take a QB (and I'd rather have Thomas or maybe even Peterson), I'd prefer Quinn over Russell because he's more NFL ready, no matter what Adam Sphincter of NFL Network says.
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I'd prefer Quinn over Russell because he's more NFL ready,
which one would benefit us most a few years down the road though?
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That handful would be those that agree with you right? No, ones who are logical...  Just ripped your cord  I see comments that people make on other positions and they don't look at whats around the player they're not impressed with but with the QB spot very few want to look at that person's own skill set. Can he make all the throws? Does he make too many mental mistakes? Can he help sustain drives and produce points?
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I think we have a pretty good idea what we have in Frye thats why we are looking real hard at Quinn and Russell and why we have talked trade with the Falcons. Frankly Frye just hasnt shown any progression at all. When u are #1 in starting field position and next to last in pts something is wrong.
Mourg...and our offensive line, where did they rank?
While we are at it, how about our offensive coordinator(s)...weren't they ranked as some of the best in the NFL?
Yep...that Frye sure didn't improve much over those 5 games he started in at end of the 2005 season of his rookie year.
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People dont underestimate his class, leadership or football ability,
I don't. I think I have them pegged right where they should be.
Working hard and having class are great traits....coaches have those things. Players need to bring some skills as well....and no matter how it is sliced and diced, Chuck falls short.
At some point there is a line between giving up on a player and wasting time.
If Quinn is drafted, Charlie will still be the starter going into things. If he takes off, we have a good situation....a QB controversy with GOOD qbs being discussed rather than bums being discussed.
The problem we are starting to see is the same thing we had with Tim and Kelly...there wasn't enough difference between them, just as Anderson has risen to Charlies level. Anderson played nearly as well as Chuck.....maybe better....but Anderson sucks by what one reads around here.....so if that is correct.....Chuck is just a notch above sucking.
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NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Browns management is pushing to take a quarterback with the No. 3 overall pick.
If the Browns draft a QB in round 1, it means the 2007 season will be a painful experience. If the Browns go QB in round 1, 2007 will be a wash. The Browns will be drafting in the top 10 again in 2008. 
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Russell's gonna be a bust bro .. watch and see ... he has Kyle Boller/Akkili Smith written all over him ...
Daman .. I could give a rats ass how hard he works and how much class he has if he CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE ...
fact of the matter is those are BY FAR HIS BEST TRAITS and thats why he WILL NEVER BE A LEGITE STARTER in this league ...
he was a 3rd rnd pick for a reason .. and it wasn't because he's Joe Montana ... *LOL* ....
and i GAURANTEE U these guys don't really want to give him another chance .. if we dont get BQ it appears they will be FORCED TO ... there was literally no FA QB's this year and the only one to be released was harrington who hasn't caught on with another team yet for a reason ...
u guys will once again BE PROVEN WRONG ... Frye just dont have the SKILL SET to be a good starter in this league .. and thats OK with me .. he will be a very good back up for a long time .. and my guess is it will be right here .. cause no ones going to offer him a chance to start when he becomes a FA ..
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If Quinn is drafted, Charlie will still be the starter going into things.
U mean training camp .. right??? cause by week 1 of the regular season ... BQ will be our starter .... well actually he will more than likely be Detroits or Minni's starter ... but if we get him .. hes our starter by week 1 .. hes going to blow people away with his BRAINS, MATURATy and skill set and WORK ETHIC ...
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Anderson played nearly as well as Chuck.....maybe better....but Anderson sucks by what one reads around here.....so if that is correct.....Chuck is just a notch above sucking.
We need better than that. Shoot....we deserve better than that.
Ya know, as much as I want to believe in Chuck, you make a good point. A really good QB willl separate himself from the backup, and if CF did that, he did it BARELY.
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I don't know about Russell being a bust.....but I do agree with the main point of your comment.
I also think we or the Browns have to factor where we are drafting now v where we hope to be drafting in the future. If we have a chance at top qb prospect(that says nothing about how he will turn out), you have to do it even with the involved risk.
If you are doing things right, you just don't get that chance very often.
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U mean training camp .. right??? cause by week 1 of the regular season ... BQ will be our starter ....
I think so and you think so.....but Romeo might not so I didn't put a time on it.....maybe week 1.....maybe week 8.
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Daman .. I could give a rats ass how hard he works and how much class he has if he CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE ...
fact of the matter is those are BY FAR HIS BEST TRAITS and thats why he WILL NEVER BE A LEGITE STARTER in this league ...
Yes sir oh mighty one,,, You are the god of know all be all, I should have never questioned your word master..
If you say he will fail, then I guess it must be true.. he will certainly fail
Geez,, wake up will ya .. do you really think that because you say it, it's true,, you are entitled to your opinion,, and you are free to shout it from the roof tops,, but at least be smart enough to not try to pass it off as fact.. some of us are just so intimidated by you that we just feel the need to completely agree and you know how dangerous that could be...
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