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Can the blackmon supporters sell me on him? Just so I wont have to put my fist through my TV if we draft him tomorrow.
I look at him and I see a player that doesn't have elite size, speed, and average hands that played in the spread offense in a division with the worst defense in college football. Why do you (assuming you're a blackmon fan) feel he's worth it and will produce at the next level? And please leave out words like "winner".
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not elite size, but elite body control and uses his body extremely well (plays much bigger than his size)
elite YAC WR
very good adjusting to ball in the air. not AJ Green level, but very good.
very good fighting DBs for the ball. boxes out like a PF to get position which allows him to get to the ball despite not towering over them.
very good feet on the sidelines/endzone.
good route runner. hard to tell all routes since OKC's offense, but did well running the routes he ran for them.
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I had to shake my head this eve watching NFL network when Blackmon says get your popcorn ready. I mean everytime i try to convince myself he isn't the next TO it is something with this kid that reminds me of TO.
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I had to shake my head this eve watching NFL network when Blackmon says get your popcorn ready. I mean everytime i try to convince myself he isn't the next TO it is something with this kid that reminds me of TO.
TO had a pretty dang good career. If he can play like TO and just keep some of that off-field stuff TO had in check, then we're talking a borderline HOFer.
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IMHO his #1 asset is his ability to find the soft part of zone defenses. It reminds me of Marvin Harrison in his good years, how he just ate up zones. I do worry about his ability to separate from press coverage at the next level but zones he will shred.
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I had to shake my head this eve watching NFL network when Blackmon says get your popcorn ready. I mean everytime i try to convince myself he isn't the next TO it is something with this kid that reminds me of TO.
I dont mind when the kids boast. I actually like to hear it, cause you better go back it up now. You know he will be on the field somewhere this year from game 1.
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I had to shake my head this eve watching NFL network when Blackmon says get your popcorn ready. I mean everytime i try to convince myself he isn't the next TO it is something with this kid that reminds me of TO.
If Blackmon can be a TO, I take him and don't think twice.
TO is ...
6th in receptions
2nd in yards
2nd in receiving TD's
4th in rushing/receiving combined TD's
11th in yards from scrimmage
All time.
Dude is arguably the 2nd best Wide Receiver to play the game, behind Jerry Rice.
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i did a huge write up on why we needed to draft a wr with the #4 pick(blackmon) about a month 1/2 ago.
I have no clue where I put it on this site.
i believe that he will end up being a roddy white/ Dwane Bowe/Wes Welker/ Jerry Rice type player- not super fast not super tall but does great in traffic finds soft spots, fights for the ball and does well in the NFL.
I also believe the Browns brass have another plan and I think that Heckert's board looks like this:
the two obvious qb's
kalil richardson Clairborne and last Blackmon.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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Right, but he also put up those numbers for five different teams because he went nuts in three different spots (SF, PHI, DAL).
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First, let me assuage your measurables concerns about him. He's taller and bulkier than 3 of the 5 leading receivers in the NFL last year. He's the same height and has a couple pounds on Roddy White. He also ran the same 40 time at his pro day that White did. His size will not prevent him from becoming an elite WR.
As you say, he played in a spread offense in college. Guess what... so did 75% of all college WRs, so how come only Ryan Broyles' production even comes close to his?
In his last 25 games, he had 232 receptions, over 3300 rec yds, and 38 TDs. Last season, Browns QBs only threw for 3300 yards. The Browns as a team didn't score 38 TDs of any sort.
Justin Blackmon has possibly the best combination of tackle-breaking and defender-avoiding abilities of any receiver to enter the NFL since the guy Mourg and Toad are so quick to negatively associate Blackmon with... TO.
Well, guess what. He plays just like TO. I think Mourg and Toad are praising Blackmon with faint damnation when they say they watch him play and he reminds them of the guy who has more TD receptions than anyone not named Jerry Rice (currently tied with Moss). Why wouldn't we want someone who scores a ton of TDs despite defenses knowing he's the focal point of the offense?
An article was put on this forum trying to say there are receivers better than Blackmon in this draft. The stats provided in that article showed that of the ten receivers compared, Blackmon gained the highest number of yards per pass attempt thrown less than 10 yards downfield. That's ideal for our limited QB and the WCO in general. His average gain for that metric was more than twice that of Stephen Hill.
Blackmon got open in the short, intermediate and deep routes every game this season. The guy is just a physically dominant presence. He already is what Greg Little's potential was supposed to be. People say Blackmon isn't fast, please find me a play where he's caught from behind.
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Better yet, tell me why he would be more beneficial than Richardson.
Good attributes, but not good enough. I can't see him helping us more than Trent. We had no run game whatsoever last year, and drafted a WR, and the offense was putrid. With Hillis in 2010, even though we weren't elite, the offense obviously looked better. It takes the pressure off the QB to be able to hand it off, and know he can move the chains on his own.
I think the gap between Richardson and Martin is greater than Blackmon and Floyd.
Mayock is trying to say that we take Blackmon because we can land Martin later. It works both ways, and if you want the BPA and he's rated higher on their board, then it has to be Trent.
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WR >>>>>> RB
That's my answer.
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Blackmon/Lamar Miller
Richardson/Sanu
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DP17, Floyd isn't making it out of the top 10, either.
We should be able to get Martin at 37. What receiver can we get at 37?
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Uhhh.
Fail.
This isn't the 50s anymore. You're not going to line up and run the ball 60 times a game.
Running backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL.
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Better yet, tell me why he would be more beneficial than Richardson.
WR >>>>>> RB
That's my answer.
Crazy talk.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Tannehill, Jonathon Martin, Alshon Jeffery, Lamichael James 
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Unless you have a running back who can catch the ball out of the backfield.
Richardson would touch the ball, likely, 30 times a game. Blackmon would have a good game touching the ball 6 times a game.
Also, Blackmon is not much, if at all, better than Floyd.
you had a good run Hank.
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I don't want Blackmon.
I don't want Richardson.
I'm just saying if you have two guys at the two positions rated equally, I take the receiver.
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We should be able to get Martin at 37. What receiver can we get at 37?
Don't we also have the 22nd pick?
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If you don't want Richardson and you don't want Blackmon, then who do you want? Kalil? Blah. Claiborne? meh.
you had a good run Hank.
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I shouldn't say I DON'T want them.
Ideally, I'd trade back to 8 and take whichever one was there, while picking up another pick.
If we HAVE to stay at 4, I want Claiborne.
If he's gone, yes, I take Kalil.
I just don't want either one at #4.
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DP17, Floyd isn't making it out of the top 10, either.
We should be able to get Martin at 37. What receiver can we get at 37?
He may make it out the top 10, but not to 22. I do know that, but wasn't my point.
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The case against receiver at 4 is that this is one of the deepest receiver classes ever. Alshon Jeffery, Sanu, Greg Childs, Criner, Blackmon, kenny Wright, Stephen Hill plus about 8 or 9 more than will be major contributors as rookies.
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People are worried about him not having "elite speed." Check out his game log from the last two years. Pay special attention to the long receptions for each game. That is incredible. Code:
2011 Game Log Receiving
DATE OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
3-Sep ULL W61-34 8 144 18 40 0
8-Sep Arizona W37-14 12 128 10.7 29 2
17-Sep @Tulsa W59-33 7 57 8.1 24 1
24-Sep @Texas A&M W30-29 11 121 11 20 1
8-Oct Kansas W70-28 8 84 10.5 24 2
15-Oct @Texas W38-26 7 74 10.6 23 1
22-Oct @Missouri W45-24 8 54 6.8 12 1
29-Oct Baylor W59-24 13 172 13.2 51 2
5-Nov Kansas State W52-45 13 205 15.8 54 2
12-Nov @Texas Tech W66-6 6 103 17.2 48 2
18-Nov @Iowa State L37-31 10 99 9.9 28 1
3-Dec Oklahoma W44-10 10 95 9.5 20 0
TOSTITOS FIESTA BOWL
2-Jan Stanford W41-38 8 186 23.3 67 3
2010 Game Log Receiving
DATE OPP RESULT REC YDS AVG LNG TD
4-Sep Wash State W65-17 8 125 15.6 42 3
11-Sep Troy W41-38 10 132 13.2 45 2
18-Sep Tulsa W65-28 6 174 29 81 3
30-Sep Texas A&M W38-35 10 127 12.7 29 1
8-Oct @ULL W54-28 13 190 14.6 43 2
16-Oct @Texas Tech W34-17 10 207 20.7 62 1
23-Oct Nebraska L51-41 5 157 31.4 80 2
30-Oct @Kansas State W24-14 No statistics available.
6-Nov Baylor W55-28 13 173 13.3 38 1
13-Nov @Texas W33-16 9 145 16.1 67 1
20-Nov @Kansas W48-14 10 130 13 43 1
27-Nov Oklahoma L47-41 8 105 13.1 45 1
VALERO ALAMO BOWL
29-Dec @Arizona W36-10 9 117 13 71 2
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I don't see a problem taking the best player in the entire draft at #4 in Richardson. Position be damned, Richardson has HOF potential.
you had a good run Hank.
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DP17, Floyd isn't making it out of the top 10, either.
We should be able to get Martin at 37. What receiver can we get at 37?
He may make it out the top 10, but not to 22. I do know that, but wasn't my point.
I thought the point was improving the team? What does the relative gap between the two #1 and #2 players at the position matter? To me, what matters is what can you add to your team.
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DP17, Floyd isn't making it out of the top 10, either.
We should be able to get Martin at 37. What receiver can we get at 37?
He may make it out the top 10, but not to 22. I do know that, but wasn't my point.
I thought the point was improving the team? What does the relative gap between the two #1 and #2 players at the position matter? To me, what matters is what can you add to your team.
Mayock said we'd take Blackmon and come back to take Martin at 22.
The point is, if we are going after a RB and WR, take the BPA. IMO, the gap between Richardson and the other RBs is greater than Blackmon and the other WRs. Richardson is head and shoulders above the rest of the backs. Hell, I can't even say Blackmon is the best receiver. So why take the WR first? Take Richardson.
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All of Blackmon's size and skill talk aside, I'm going to dumb it down and talk about his demeanor and attitude.
Even in games where he's tearing it up and racking up stats, he seems to get frustrated and impatient. Just seems quick to get pouty about getting the ball. Sure, that's called fire and competitiveness, but is that going to work w/ him being a rookie on OUR team? What if he just doesn't get all those receptions? How's he going to handle it?
As talented as the dude is, I really still see him as a super compliment to an established #1 receive in the pros. Another Boldin or Julio Jones. I think he NEEDS a better team than ours in its current state to really succeed.
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Mayock said we'd take Blackmon and come back to take Martin at 22.
The point is, if we are going after a RB and WR, take the BPA. IMO, the gap between Richardson and the other RBs is greater than Blackmon and the other WRs. Richardson is head and shoulders above the rest of the backs. Hell, I can't even say Blackmon is the best receiver. So why take the WR first? Take Richardson.
I disagree, there is not one other WR who has better PA's for our offense at WR then Blackmon does. For a different system and philosophy I'll give you that, but for what we need for this offense Blackmon is head and shoulders better then the next in this class of WR's.
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T.O. is available.
For a year maybe 2. No thanks!
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T.O. is available.
For a year maybe 2. No thanks!
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It's April 25 Y'all!!!
Look IF THEY WANT TO GET BLACKMON I don't see how it happens without trading back up because he's not going to be there at 22.
At #4 They have to go with Trent Richardson, Richardson is the best Rb, he's gonna replace Hillis and Richardson catches the ball well.
So McCoy is going to have to have an outlet that can also get us about 2K yards on a season.
Richardson's the man, no doubt.
Just hope noone takes him before the Browns get to.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Man...that is a lot of solid and Steady Production. Teams tried to stop him and key on him but the guy just keeps on producing. I would love to see what a Blackmon and Martin could do for this offense. This is the type of Football player any Browns fan should be happy to have.
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I'm on this train. RB then WR or WR then RB... then RT. and I'm good with it.
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