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Honest question for you guys ...
If Weeden wasn't 28 years old, where do you think he would have gone?
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If Weeden wasn't 28 years old, where do you think he would have gone?
Probably would have went to us with the number 4 pick, lol.
May be even ahead of RG3. That he's 28 years old is the reason why he sort of wasn't in the discussions the way the other guys were IMO
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That's my opinion, too. I blasted django when he claimed we should take Weeden at 4. Only because I thought 4 was too high for someone that old. However, at 22, how do you pass on a guy with his skill set? Regardless of age. If he plays and gives us 7-8 GOOD years, isn't he worth the pick? Or should we have gone WR and STILL not had a QB, and go through this all over again next year? I think Weeden is the answer at QB for another 7-8 years. Give me that out of the #22 pick and I'm one happy person. 
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I am living proof that age is irrelevant.
Roger Staubach was late 20's when he made his Dallas debut,that worked out ok.Plus,Weeden has been throwing footballs whereas Staubach was throwing bullets.
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Maybe we can go back and re-draft Brady Quinn and get a couple of really bad years of football out of him before we wind up dumping him? Quinn cost us a 1st and a 2nd to move up to get him. In return he gave us 3 years of awful QB play. Again, he cost us a 1st and a 2nd round pick. 3 years later, he was gone. I wish that we could have waited to the 2nd for Weeden..... but the brain trust felt that he would be gone if they waited. I'm OK with them taking him at 22 in that case. There are no other potential starting QBs in this draft. There are still a lot of guys I believe we have targeted at other positions who will be available when we pick at 37. I called the 1st 2 picks correctly ..... and I'm calling Fleener for us at 37 if he's still available.  Man ... imagine the meltdown if that happens ...... 
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Not to you, but to the people saying we should have waited til 37 for Weeden. Here's what I said in another thread....
Any receiver we were targeting is going to still be there at #37.
Everyone is saying we should have gone WR there, but there won't be a WR taken today before we pick.
Unless you think we should have taken A.J. Jenkins, I don't understand the argument.
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and I'm calling Fleener for us at 37 if he's still available.
While I'm hoping for a WR or RT, I wouldn't be totally unhappy w/ Fleener at 37.
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I think Heckert goes DL or DB at 37 ... just a feeling. The Browns rarely make the obvious move (Richardson being the exception).
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It's gotta be the RT at 37. Just hope one of Glenn, Martin, or Massie is still there when we pick. The last thing we need is for 'Old' Brandon to get blasted from a bad right side on a consistent basis and I have to confidence that we can get a guaranteed starter at RT in the 3rd. Also, it wouldn't hurt our #3 overall pick either to have better blocking on the right side.
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Everyone is saying we should have gone WR there, but there won't be a WR taken today before we pick.
Yea heckert may be lucky or did a good job of reading the draft but right now we have the 3 best RT prospects in Jonathon Martin, Glenn and Massie also we have imho the best hands in the draft in Alshon Jeffery as well as the most athletic receiver in Hill, best pure route runner in Sanu.
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I really like the pick. QB is more of a cerebral position where his age is not that much of an impact as it would be in a more physical position. Plus he has the added maturity that you have to have when you transition to the pros.
QBs can play well into their 30s, so if we get 2-3 years of good play out of him, that's 2-3 more than we have had since '99. He's a smart kid, has all the ability, has shown leadership and other intangibles. What's not to like?
I preferred him to Tanehill who has arguably higher ceiling but I still have ??? regarding him due to his rawness.
28 isn't old anyway lol :P
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AS we're already onto part 2, I wanted to drop in my two cents.
As a player, I'm not totally against Weeden. He's put up some nice numbers against legit competition. Throws a very nice looking ball and we've likely gone a step up in arm strength. I think he's a skilled guy who hopefully can be a great starting QB.
HOWEVER, there's multiple things I don't like here...
AGE.... Although age is not always the biggest factor, it IS a factor. Realistically, we drafted a guy who has 6 years of football ahead of him....if we've lucky 7 or 8. Granted, if its 6 winning seasons, I'm a happy dude. However, his time becomes NOW and if he's not successful out of the gate, we've got problems.
THE CONDUCT OF OUR FO... My buddy CanadianDawg alerted me to the reports circulating that Heck told Colt that the Browns would not be taking a QB day one. We now have and are shopping Colt McCoy. I realize that football is a business but this is unethical to the highest degree. If you can;t make the promise 100%, don;t make the promise. Colt went from being the starter to trade bait in 24 hrs. Business may be business but sweet crap, let's show some respect for a guy who has played his guts out for this team.
DRAFT POSITION/WHO IS ON THE BOARD.... With Riley Rieff on the board, a tackle projected higher in the draft and one of the best Guard prospects since Hutchinson (DeCastro) on the board, we take Weedon. Or looking at it the other way, we could have locked up a WR- which there will likely now be a run on.
End of the day... I'm not a fan of the pick but I won;t be quite as mad as many until I see what the guy (I can;t even call him the kid) can do. If he comes out of the gate and plays lights out, great. But my expectations are pretty high and if we don;t see at least a 3200 yd and 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio season out of him, I think we got f'd.
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If Weeden wasn't 28 years old, where do you think he would have gone?
Probably would have went to us with the number 4 pick, lol.
May be even ahead of RG3. That he's 28 years old is the reason why he sort of wasn't in the discussions the way the other guys were IMO
I do not care about his age.
I do not care about his age.
I do not care about his age.
I do not care about his age.
I care that the guy is completely immobile and has never taken a snap under center.
I care that drafting a QB in the first round is committing to that guy for at least three years.
I care that "it takes two years to learn the WCO" and we're hitting reset again.
I care that we still have nobody to throw the ball to and that we have to choose between an average WR and a RT.
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I dont like the pick but he is the best PURE PASSER in the draft.
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I dont like the pick but he is the best PURE PASSER in the draft.
Andrew Luck?
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I've got no problems with his age, whatsoever.
Just like any other first round pick, it's all about production, and if he can produce well for us for the next 7-8 years (assuming that his age will deteriorate his skillset eventually) then I'm very happy! If Heckert believes he can be the guy, then we just have to wait and see. If he fails, it won't be because of his age. It'll be because his talent.
With all that said, I'm very excited to see this offense next season. I think Colt was holding us back a lot more than people think.He wouldn't throw in NFL-sized windows of opportunity and that killed our passing game. True, our receivers weren't good enough to get WIDE open enough for him to pull the trigger, but they were getting open enough that a good QB with trust in his arm and the ability to anticipate those windows could exploit. Hopefully, Weedon will be that guy.
As mentioned above, I do think his age and maturity WILL help him to acclimate to the pros, at least culturally. He's man, not a kid... and that will earn him some respect in the locker room a 22-year old rookie wouldn't get.
I keep thinking about the years Kurt Warner gave St. Louis after arriving there in his late 20s.... a rookie to the NFL.
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Luck is the best QB, big mobile, can throw on the run, moves within the pocket and will stand in the pocket and deliver the ball in the face of pressure and he may be the best I have seen at presnap reads but if you want someone to play pass and catch, weeden is the man lol.
He may not be able to walk and chew gum but if he doesnt have to move he is deadly accurate and shows good timing. To bad in the AFC North they will occasionally rush the passer lol
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The Yankees' organization...
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The Yankees' organization...
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Based on his skill set? The third round.
Based on the view of this front office? The first round.
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That's my opinion, too.
I blasted django when he claimed we should take Weeden at 4. Only because I thought 4 was too high for someone that old.
However, at 22, how do you pass on a guy with his skill set? Regardless of age.
If he plays and gives us 7-8 GOOD years, isn't he worth the pick?
Or should we have gone WR and STILL not had a QB, and go through this all over again next year?
I think Weeden is the answer at QB for another 7-8 years. Give me that out of the #22 pick and I'm one happy person.
Hell... right now I'd be happy with 5 years of good, consistent QB play.
With that said I don't know if he comes in and lights it up like Cam Newton and Dalton.... Newton was bigger and can run. Dalton had Green to throw to...
Weeden has potential, but he needs to learn the system quickly
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Weeden takes us to 6-7 wins THIS YEAR. Playoff contender with Weeden next year. Quote me on that. 
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Weeden takes us to 6-7 wins THIS YEAR.
Playoff contender with Weeden next year.
Quote me on that.
I'd be happy with it... need another playmaker though.
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I care that the guy is completely immobile and has never taken a snap under center.
I care that drafting a QB in the first round is committing to that guy for at least three years.
I care that "it takes two years to learn the WCO" and we're hitting reset again.
I care that we still have nobody to throw the ball to and that we have to choose between an average WR and a RT.
Unlike you, I do care about his age a bit, but more about his skills at his age.
There is still one quality WR (Hill) in the draft and some very good RT that can be gotten. I really have doubts about whether the Browns will get either one.
Sure, they could get a WR and/or a RT, but will either of them be the quality players that the Browns need? I'm not convinced of that.
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Weeden takes us to 6-7 wins THIS YEAR.
Playoff contender with Weeden next year.
Quote me on that.
forget that.. Colt could get 6-7 wins..
I want playoffs this year!!
If the dang on Bengals can do it.. why the heck can't we??
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I'd try to move back into the second. A run on WRs will start quickly and really there;s only two RT prospects that I really like left (Bobbie Massie and Cordy Glenn)
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I dont like the pick but he is the best PURE PASSER in the draft.
Andrew Luck?
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Weeden takes us to 6-7 wins THIS YEAR.
Playoff contender with Weeden next year.
Quote me on that.
Quoted. Curious to know where you think these 6 or 7 wins come from.
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Weeden takes us to 6-7 wins THIS YEAR.
Playoff contender with Weeden next year.
Quote me on that.
forget that.. Colt could get 6-7 wins..
I want playoffs this year!!
If the dang on Bengals can do it.. why the heck can't we??
Do you care if I lie to you or tell you the truth?
Lie: We can.
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Eagles, Bengals 2x, Bills, Colts, Raiders, Chiefs, Redskins are all winnable games.
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Weeden takes us to 6-7 wins THIS YEAR.
Playoff contender with Weeden next year.
Quote me on that.
forget that.. Colt could get 6-7 wins..
I want playoffs this year!!
If the dang on Bengals can do it.. why the heck can't we??
Where to start? Ah! AJ Green and much more to go along with a 21st Century process of building a team and it pains me so to say that, but it's the truth.
While we are busy dinking and dunking and Clubing our way down the field, they will strike back with sudden furry with their vertical attack and we will be left with no answers.
Did the Bengals care if they lost their RB? Did they panic? No, because they knew that to get one of those jalopy's all they had to do was go to the nearest used car dealership
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I'd try to move back into the second. A run on WRs will start quickly and really there;s only two RT prospects that I really like left (Bobbie Massie and Cordy Glenn)
Stephen Hill is going to be gone with the 33rd pick to St. Louis. I think Baltimore gets a receiver too. They could go OL, but I think they'll add another fresh weapon.
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Eagles, Bengals 2x, Bills, Colts, Raiders, Chiefs, Redskins are all winnable games.
Hmmm, interesting thoughts.
I don't think we'll win any of those games, including against Luck or RG3.
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I don't think we'll win any of those games, including against Luck or RG3.
Are you predicting 0-16? (Not being smart, just asking.)
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I'd be willing to bet there's not a single receiver off the board before 37.
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I'd be willing to bet there's not a single receiver off the board before 37.
with the Rams having two of those picks .. i highly doubt that.
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I'd be willing to bet there's not a single receiver off the board before 37.
with the Rams having two of those picks .. i highly doubt that.
Not sure where you're seeing the Rams having 2 of the picks?
ESPN lists:
#33 - St Louis
#34 - Indy
#35 - Baltimore via Minnesota
#36 - Denver via Tampa Bay
#37 - Cleveland
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I'd be willing to bet there's not a single receiver off the board before 37.
with the Rams having two of those picks .. i highly doubt that.
Might want to double check your work.
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I'd be willing to bet there's not a single receiver off the board before 37.
with the Rams having two of those picks .. i highly doubt that.
They have 1 pick, and I'm thinking they take Johnathan Martin.
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They have picks #33, #39 and #45 if anyone is curious.
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