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I am wondering at what point today we trade Dolt McCoy?
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How about "Weeden smokes Steelers".
Man I would love to see that headline. 
Seems about as likely as 'Colt guns down the Steelers'
Man, what a risk of a pick. 
Even when I think we've tanked a draft, I give the benefit and wait to see.. I even did so with Mangini... but Weeden at 22?
Failure written all over it.
You see, we can agree on something. In this case, the selection of Weeden. We may disagree on the other picks.
I think this entire draft has been an unmitigated disaster and it started with the Richardson pick. I like the pick, just not the cost paid for it. It really went bad from the Weeden pick on.
The Schwartz pick could be argued, except that a better player was there. Cordy Glenn, a more versatile player was available. Glenn can play inside or out, either side. Schwartz can't.
John Hughes? Huh? Rotational need? I'm sure he's not the best run-stopping DT that was left on the board.
Whose making these selections? Nancy Pelosi?
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I am wondering at what point today we trade Dolt McCoy?
As soon as someone is willing to take him.
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Browns told McCoy they wouldn't draft QB in 1st Round
and I've told my girlfriend she looked good in that hideous top that she was wearing.
stuff happens Wright was off the board and they panicked.- this is how I actually feel comfortable with this pick. I was told they admitted they panicked a little when the guy they wanted was gone at 20
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Whoever Weeden chooses it to be 
Well, he's our QB now, so while I didn't like the pick, I'll support him..so
GO WEEDEN!
ya know, that's wierd sounding... like,, Hey guys, let's go weeden... Don't bogart that joint, My friend.... 
I can see the Headlines now; "Browns get perscription to smoke Weeden". Now maybe they can see a little more clearly and draft better players. 
Well the 2nd and 3rd rounds didn't exactly support that theory.
Hmm,, maybe they did
Outside of Richardson, this has been an unimpressive draft for us....
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So...the Colt camp whined again? Who was it this time? His Agent or his dad again?
Hey Colt, you're not in coddle-Texas U anymore...grow up
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I think the Browns must trade McCoy. They clearly do not believe in him and his prescence will be a huge distraction.
I also think the Browns must trade Wallace. He wasn't willing to help McCoy and I doubt he changes his stripes with Weeden.
I have this awful feeling that we will be looking to pickup Hasselbeck to fill in until Weeden is ready.
I won't be surprised if we also draft another developmental QB today.
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Weeden will start day 1 for the Browns. He is now the starting QB of our Cleveland Browns. I would not be surprised to see both McCoy and Wallace banished. Neither did much last year, and neither has much upside. The only question is whether or not anyone will give us anything for them. Maybe we get a swap of 7th rounders or something.  I do suspect that we will grab a QB in the 7th round, and hopefully he won't be a damned smurf. I am sick to death of noodle armed QBs, and we should have a sign that says "You must be at least this tall to play QB for us", because there is a reason that most guys 6'1" and below fail in the NFL.
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Unfortunately, Weeden will have to start. Problem is, he's nowhere near ready to be a starter in this league. He WILL struggle mightily next year. I'm not a Colt fan at all, but folks who really believe Weeden will make any significant difference THIS season are simply dillusional.
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So...the Colt camp whined again? Who was it this time? His Agent or his dad again?
Hey Colt, you're not in coddle-Texas U anymore...grow up
Unless I misunderstand, McCoy has said nothing, his father has said nothing, his agent has said nothing and the browns are vehemently denying they made that promise
You may not care for McCoy as a QB,,but you can't find fault with his honesty, character or work ethic.
You wanted another QB,,, OK,, you got one and as a Browns fan, I sure as hell hope he does well for us.... otherwise, we'll hear it all over again.
At least this new QB gets what looks like a Legit Running Game and a RT. And he'll get an off season to prepare.. I hope what some of you say is true,,, that a good QB can make WR's better... Otherwise, drops from Weeden will look a lot like drops from any other QB..
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I find nothing wrong at all with Colt McCoy the person.
I think that he's a great kid, hard working, driven, wants to succeed, is a leader .......
Unfortunately, that's where it ends for me. I'll leave it at that. If I were hiring for a regular management type job, I would probably have him near the top of my list of candidates. Unfortunately the NFL adds in physical requirements, and I just don't see those in McCoy.
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Football wouldn’t be football if people involved in running football teams weren’t telling something other than the truth.
It happened in Cleveland on Thursday, when according to Adam Schefter of ESPN the Browns told quarterback Colt McCoy they wouldn’t draft a quarterback in round one.
The Browns picked Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden with the 22nd overall selection.
Though the Browns had to do whatever they thought they should do to make the team better, why say anything to McCoy about their plans? Even if he was demanding an answer, there had to be a way to defuse the situation without lying to the guy.
While they may not care about what McCoy thinks if he’s now going to be displaced (and possibly traded or cut), there are other guys in the locker room who may now be less inclined to trust the coaching staff and/or the front office.
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Even before Shurmur and Heckert's vehement denial this never made any sense to me.
So somewhere between trying to trade three 1sts+ for RG3, working out and visiting with Tannehill, and targetting Weeden at 22 or at least in the 22-37 range we told Colt we weren't going to take a QB in the 1st? Right.
Sorry but the writing was on the wall. H/H/S never promised Colt the starting job going into 2012 and they said over and over to anyone who would listen that they would be open to taking a QB anywhere in the draft.
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Wrong number? April Fool's? Can't see teams consulting with players. Life is what it is in the Bigs.
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I am wondering at what point today we trade Dolt McCoy?
During his press conference Holmgren has been very non-committal. I don't see him being on the team for more than a week. Wallace is the backup.
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Pat Shurmur says no promises were made to Colt McCoy
Posted by Josh Alper on April 28, 2012, 2:00 PM EDT
The Browns’ decision to draft Brandon Weeden with the 22nd overall selection has naturally led to a lot of talk about Colt McCoy.
Coach Pat Shurmur addressed some of those topics, including the report that the team told McCoy that they wouldn’t draft a quarterback in the first round. Shurmur said that report was “absolutely false.”
“For the record, we don’t consult our players about what we’re doing in the draft,” Shurmur said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. “I think it’s ridiculous to assume that we would say those things. I just want to be strong about the no.”
Shurmur also said that the team was not shopping McCoy on Friday night and that there has not been a definitive decision about trading McCoy, although he stopped well short of being “strong about the no” when it came to the likelihood that McCoy was heading elsewhere. Cabot reports that a source said the team wants to take a little time to figure out what to do, a decision that will also take into account Seneca Wallace. Wallace has two years left on his deal with salaries of $2.4 million and $2.85 million while McCoy is set to make $540,000 and $575,000 in those seasons.
All of those decisions will likely be about who is backing up Weeden. Shurmur called him “our guy going forward” and you wouldn’t expect anything less after the Browns spent a first round pick to bring him to the team.
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The Assumption by, it seems, almost everyone, is that if Colt McCoy remains with the Browns (and if recent reports are to be believed, he will be) Weeden will be the starter.
Makes sense. Dudes 28 years old, not a lot of time in his career to be wasting riding the piine, was picked in the first round and if the team leadership is correct in thier belief in him, he'll win the job..
But what if he doesn't? What happens if, with an improved Oline, a REAL running threat and a year to go through camp, and receivers that learned from preseason and can catch, McCoy steps up and knocks one out of the park?
Please don't answer if all you can say is "It won't happen".. I wanna know what happens if it does....
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If he does that he starts. He just might not get the chance. Hard to knock it out of the park when someone else is getting all the first team reps.
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If Weeden is the guy, then the guy I want holding a clipboard is McCoy, not Wallace. The only question is whether the Browns' FO is willing to risk McCoy looking better than Weeden in pre-season. I personally have no doubt that McCoy is a team-first guy who will do whatever is asked of him. I don't feel the same is true for Wallace.
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If he does that he starts. He just might not get the chance. Hard to knock it out of the park when someone else is getting all the first team reps.
And if Weeden is sucking with the first team,, what choice do they have but to give Colt the ball to try and spark something..
By the way, I expect him to have some issues.. he may be 28 years old, but he's still just a rook. He's gonna have some learning issues,, all rooks do.
The problem is, because of his age, he's gotta come out of that rookie funk way faster than other rooks.. If we get 5 or 6 good years out of him, I'll consider that a success..
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BEREA, Ohio -- Mike Holmgren made no promises about Colt McCoy on Saturday, but the Browns president thinks McCoy can co-exist with expected starter Brandon Weeden.
Here are a few excerpts:
On to trade or not to trade McCoy: "I can't answer that right now. Now Colt's at home, he's coming back for his workout, he's going to be at workouts this next week. I'm not going to speculate on anything. We're going to see what happens moving forward."
On Weeden: "We're very excited to have him. How he's different than all the other QBs that were drafted ahead of him or behind him is his age and his maturity and what he brings immediately. ... He has the potential to play well sooner because of that than other QBs in the draft. So he became very attractive to us.
"I know there's all sorts of side-stories swirling around that. In fairness to everyone, that will probably be an ongoing thing. Right now we have our team. We have our QBs in place, and that's how we're planning to go forward."
On the QB plan: "We now have four quarterbacks. And they're going to compete. That's the way it's always going to be. Who can determine the future? In this business you line em up and give it your best shot and we have to choose. You have to choose somebody to play."
On McCoy: "I like the young man who's played for us. I have a great affection for him. He's a very tough guy. He got beat up. There were some things were out of his control that made it very difficult."
He added that if McCoy remains with the team, he thinks he can co-exist with Weeden.
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Gonna reiterate something I uttered which is now buried in these threads, hehe, which is that nobody should just assume Weeden is the starter. We want Weeden to be the starter. We need Weeden to be the starter. However, if he comes in and is just flat-out lost, you can't march him out there if he's not ready. You gotta pretend he's just as young as any rookie and put him out there when he's ready. I say this because you're only going to get one crack at Weeden being the starter. If is handed the job and after a year or year-and-a-half and has blown it, he's going to be set down for good. He won't get another planned crack at the job at 32 or 33. We won't keep him on the bench that long. So if Weeden has to sit because he isn't ready or if McCoy owns him in pre-season so be it.
I'm not buying the maturity part with Weeden, not as it pertains to him being NFL-ready specifically because of it. I think you gotta treat him as if he's 22. If he looks ready and you're willing to live with the mistakes and gaffe's, ok, but if he doesn't look ready and needs to sit, you must be prepared to do that as well.
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I agree with that. I also don't get the "maturity will help him learn the offense faster" idea. It's not like he is some genius just because he is older. I do think that the "competition" will be weighted in his favor. He will be getting all the first team reps from day one (Colt McCoy didn't get any until the week he started). And he will be getting extra attention that McCoy didn't get last year because we now have an offensive coordinator. And that's if Colt McCoy isn't traded. And that seems like it is very possible. Quote:
(On if it is unlikely that they will trade McCoy)- “You know what, I can’t answer that right now. I think both Pat and I have tried for a couple of days to kind of first of all clear up some of the things that were written that weren’t true at all. Now Colt’s at home, he’s coming back for his workout. He’s going to be at workouts next week, so I’m not going to speculate on anything. We’re going to see what happens here moving forward. ”
Not exactly a vote of confidence.
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Supposedly he learned the new offense at OSU really quickly when they changed coordinators.
I actually think that he's going to be fine. They will probably dumb down the offense somewhat at the start, and he will probably have something like a dozen plays plus their trees to start the year with .... but unlike last year. I think that we'll be adding plays as the year progresses rather than scaling back.
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I'm not sure they can dumb it down more than it was last season.
I suppose they could bring in his no huddle signaling system he used at OSU, (dude run right, dude run left, yo dude, block somebody) that should effectively dumb it down enough where he can get it quickly.
And I don't agree Weeden's got an option to sit if he's not ready. It might be the smart thing to do and certainly not the first time we've pulled a bonehead move but you don't spend a 1st on a guy who's 29 in Oct to let him carry a clip board. Not unless you're ready to accept the fact drafting him that high was also a bonehead move.
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I'm not sure they can dumb it down more than it was last season.
I suppose they could bring in his no huddle signaling system he used at OSU, (dude run right, dude run left, yo dude, block somebody) that should effectively dumb it down enough where he can get it quickly.
And I don't agree Weeden's got an option to sit if he's not ready. It might be the smart thing to do and certainly not the first time we've pulled a bonehead move but you don't spend a 1st on a guy who's 29 in Oct to let him carry a clip board. Not unless you're ready to accept the fact drafting him that high was also a bonehead move.
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Remember when Cam Newton came out? He was criticized b/c Auburn would flash a number on the sideline to call a play. People thought it would hurt him. He did pretty well for himself his rookie year.
Weeden's situation isn't much different. They used an uptempo offense where they would use hand motions to signal plays. Weeden will start Day 1, and should have no problem calling the plays. The guy has plenty of time to get a good thorough understanding of our playbook.
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And I don't agree Weeden's got an option to sit if he's not ready.
Tulsa...I agree...Weeden is not going to have an option to sit if he thinks he's not ready.
Once Weeden is signed, he will be "competing" for the starting job.
This idea that Weeden has "the option" to sit if he's not ready...don't know where that idea comes from???
If Weeden is any kind of competitor, he will not want to sit and I seriously doubt the Browns are going to give him an option to sit.
It is up to the coaching staff to get our QBs ready to play and they are going to feed the offense to them just as fast as possible.
If Weeden is not capable of beating out McCoy or Wallace...then he will be sitting, but it won't be his choice.
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One of the drums that is being beaten by the media (print & electronic) is that by keeping McCoy, the Browns risk having a split locker room in terms of loyalties, which is poisonous to a team. Holmgren addressed this in his comments yesterday. He said that those situations can and do occur, but that when they do they are a function of behind-the-scenes lobbying - i.e. feeding the fire - by the principals in the controversy. He went on to say that none of the Browns QB's were that type of individual, and he was confident any of them will embrace their eventual role. I agree with him in regards to McCoy; I'm not so sure about Wallace.
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On the subject of this thread... Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Mike Florio of PFT...spun this story into a negative piece of media dung that gave readers the impression that the Browns were intentionally dumping on McCoy.
Then the local media peon's on Cleveland talk radio (thefan) got a hold of this story and spun it into the Browns serving McCoy and his dad some "payback" for questioning how the Browns handled Colt's concussion.
...the fan boys took it to a new level, bashing McCoy, allowing calling fans to bash McCoy...with all at "the fan" having their fun at McCoy's expense.
Sport media at it's best...from ESPN down to the local talking heads...just horrible reporting.
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I read the reports were unfounded, I wish I remember where because I would link it here, it was someone in the FO (and it may have been posted previously.) but either way a lot of this was just wildfire expansion of negativity and when has the Cleveland Sports Media EVER done that?
I like the idea of Colt being the backup. McCoy > Wallace in my opinion. Heckert said flatly, they aren't drafting a QB without intention of him being a starter. We draft Weeden in the 1st round? Sorry you don't draft a 1st round QB without committing to him in some fashion. This isn't going to be a "Weeden won't start this year" rookie season like Colt had. This is Weeden's job to lose already and he hasn't even put the pads on for us.
If McCoy is the team player I think he is, he would try his best to show he was still worthy of being #1 but I can't see Colt himself complaining. Daddy might, but that's another issue.
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While I agree Weeden's going to start, short of injury. I would hesitate to use Tom "we're not trading up to 3" Heckert as a source.
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You guys are killing me. What GM doesn't blow smoke leading up to the draft. Comments like the one above are hilarious. I can't believe how many posters are bashing Heckert for his picks and comments. It is as if the guy is a complete moron, when he is actually probably the best GM this team has had in decades.
McCoy is no idiot. He knows the stakes, and I'm sure he understands how things work. I hope they dump Wallace and his salary, and keep Colt as the back-up. He has said he would like to compete with Weeden, so be it.
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BT, I'm not bashing Heckert for his comments, I'm responding to people who are saying he's "a straight shooter" and that we can "pretty much trust anything that comes out of his mouth." We can't take what he says about strategy long- or short-term at face value. I don't think we should have that expectation, either, as it doesn't do the team any good for the GM to tell everyone exactly what he's thinking.
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While I agree Weeden's going to start, short of injury. I would hesitate to use Tom "we're not trading up to 3" Heckert as a source.
You guys are killing me. What GM doesn't blow smoke leading up to the draft. Comments like the one above are hilarious. I can't believe how many posters are bashing Heckert for his picks and comments. It is as if the guy is a complete moron, when he is actually probably the best GM this team has had in decades.
McCoy is no idiot. He knows the stakes, and I'm sure he understands how things work. I hope they dump Wallace and his salary, and keep Colt as the back-up. He has said he would like to compete with Weeden, so be it.
Who's bashing Heckert?
The guy used a quote of Heckert's as a "take it to the bank" fact, I merely pointed out another thing Heckert said that was, as you aptly put it, blowing smoke.
Seriously, try putting some thought into what you're reading.
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BT, I'm not bashing Heckert for his comments, I'm responding to people who are saying he's "a straight shooter" and that we can "pretty much trust anything that comes out of his mouth." We can't take what he says about strategy long- or short-term at face value. I don't think we should have that expectation, either, as it doesn't do the team any good for the GM to tell everyone exactly what he's thinking.
I'm saying this with venom to emphasize the point:
Anyone who trusts every word that comes out of the mouths of the FO people of any NFL organization deserve what they get. That's a shame on them, not on the organization.
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While I agree Weeden's going to start, short of injury. I would hesitate to use Tom "we're not trading up to 3" Heckert as a source.
You guys are killing me. What GM doesn't blow smoke leading up to the draft. Comments like the one above are hilarious. I can't believe how many posters are bashing Heckert for his picks and comments. It is as if the guy is a complete moron, when he is actually probably the best GM this team has had in decades.
McCoy is no idiot. He knows the stakes, and I'm sure he understands how things work. I hope they dump Wallace and his salary, and keep Colt as the back-up. He has said he would like to compete with Weeden, so be it.
Who's bashing Heckert?
The guy used a quote of Heckert's as a "take it to the bank" fact, I merely pointed out another thing Heckert said that was, as you aptly put it, blowing smoke.
Seriously, try putting some thought into what you're reading.
And I used the quote I did to question assertions I read earlier that Weeden wasn't drafted to be the starter. You don't draft a QB in the first round if you don't want him to start. That quote by Heckert was just one I chose to show that it's not ALL smoke and mirrors in the silly season though as noted, a lot of it is simply blowing smoke.
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Poisonous? Depends on which side of the fence I'm on during any given day. 
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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BT, I'm not bashing Heckert for his comments, I'm responding to people who are saying he's "a straight shooter" and that we can "pretty much trust anything that comes out of his mouth." We can't take what he says about strategy long- or short-term at face value. I don't think we should have that expectation, either, as it doesn't do the team any good for the GM to tell everyone exactly what he's thinking.
I'm saying this with venom to emphasize the point:
Anyone who trusts every word that comes out of the mouths of the FO people of any NFL organization deserve what they get. That's a shame on them, not on the organization.
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While I agree Weeden's going to start, short of injury. I would hesitate to use Tom "we're not trading up to 3" Heckert as a source.
You guys are killing me. What GM doesn't blow smoke leading up to the draft.
Blowing smoke is one thing. Getting played for a fool is quite another. It just so happens that it was for Richardson, so nobody is really complaining too harshly. The guy is a legitimate playmaker.
That doesn't erase the fact that Heckert got played like a fiddle by the folks in Minnesota.
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Except if we didn't trade up the Bucs were going to. And we had 13 draft picks.
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