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anarc...as I just posted in the Schwartz thread , the Browns needed to go OT at 37 because there was a run on OTs in round 2 with 5 picked after the Browns took Schwartz.
Believe it or not, there are still some good WRs on the board...WR is a very deep draft class this year.
The Browns have the 5th pick in the 4th round and the 25th pick in the 4th round and a 5th round pick, 2 picks in the 6th round and 2 more in the 7th round.
The sky is not falling...relax.
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step away from the edge...maybe take a day or two off
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anarc...as I just posted in the Schwartz thread , the Browns needed to go OT at 37 because there was a run on OTs in round 2 with 5 picked after the Browns took Schwartz.
Believe it or not, there are still some good WRs on the board...WR is a very deep draft class this year.
The Browns have the 5th pick in the 4th round and the 25th pick in the 4th round and a 5th round pick, 2 picks in the 6th round and 2 more in the 7th round.
The sky is not falling...relax.
we started the run and... the next two teams were laughing that we picked the wrong guy. lol
truth..
I don't mind schwartz
I also feel like we could turn around and pick up Massie. he could be a steal at this point OR there is something completely wrong with his head.
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When you read the reports on the other OT's, Schwartz was the only bona-fied RT on the board. So yeah why settle for less? We did good
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When you read the reports on the other OT's, Schwartz was the only bona-fied RT on the board. So yeah why settle for less? We did good
welll I guess i was reading based on best LT.
If that is the case... I owe Heckert an apology and I still think he fell down a set of stairs and hit his head before the bearcat
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Is that like having Weeden as the #13 player on the board? John Hughes as the BEST PLAYER ON THE BOARD!! You can't be serious! Just admit it.
totally agree- they fell in love with these guys and overvalued them. That's how to stay a sucky team, overdraft players. I hope they work out, they are browns now.
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McNutt seems like a good addition. He has speed to get to the second level. Have to admit though, seems like that was against lesser competion. For a big 10 team, didn't see the highlights of him blowing by the powerhouses- guess that's why he's still on the board though.
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I would probably wait again on receiver and take Ladarius Green TE and Boykin CB. I would be thrilled with a dwight Jones later, receiver is sooooooooo deep.
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anarc...as I just posted in the Schwartz thread , the Browns needed to go OT at 37 because there was a run on OTs in round 2 with 5 picked after the Browns took Schwartz.
Believe it or not, there are still some good WRs on the board...WR is a very deep draft class this year.
The Browns have the 5th pick in the 4th round and the 25th pick in the 4th round and a 5th round pick, 2 picks in the 6th round and 2 more in the 7th round.
The sky is not falling...relax.
When Schwartz was taken, there was Cordy Glenn and Jonathan Martin still on the board. Both are better than Schwartz. Cordy Glenn is also versatile, able to play either G or T. Martin is purely better than Schwartz even as a RT. Silatolu was still there too! Like Glenn, he can play either G or T!
Schwartz is a bad pick because of who was left on the board at the position he plays when he was selected. Maybe they had him rated higher than those others and most everyone else are fools and can't judge talent levels. 
Be my guest though, mac. Rationalize it all you want. The pick sucked!
As for the Browns having 3 non-compensatory picks in the 4th and 5th rounds, I don't care. There is no way they make this draft acceptable to me. None whatsoever.
They're going to draft a WR in this draft that will improve this team to the point where the Browns can win in this division? We won't win a game in the division next year. Not a single one. I only see this team getting two wins, and only because they manage to shock a team.
We're going to face Indy with Andrew Luck. Reggie Wayne stayed. They added Coby Fleener (Luck's favorite target at Stanford). They gave him another TE target with Dwayne Allen (New England Patriots model anyone?) and then added yet another target with T.Y. Hilton (a blazing speedster with good hands)!
I'll hold to my 2-wins prediction for the Browns next season. It's the 'suck for a QB' chant next year but unless this regime is gone there won't be a QB taken by this team next year.
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my favorite OLBs Ronnel Lewis, DAnny Trevathon, Emmanuel Acho, Travis Lewis, Josh Kaddu
There are a ton of inside backers that could convert to outside as well guys like James Michael Johnson nevada, Tank Carder TCU (like that kid) and Audie Cole NCST
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Cole really is an SOLB playing inside... didn't play inside until his senior year but led the team in tackles three years in a row
Tank Carder came from one of those weird defenses like Miss St. runs where he didn't have a traditional 4-3 role, so basically pick which LB spot you want to put him.
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God knows that you can't get value out of late round receivers.
I mean ... look at 3rd round pick Wallace and 6th round pick Brown for the Steelers. man, they suck.
Look at Wes Welker. Man, he sucks. No UDFA can ever make it in the NFL.
That Cruz kid in New York ..... he'll never be anything.
How about that lousy Lance Moore in New Orleans ....... he must suck since he was an UDFA.
Steve Smith in Carolina ..... no late 3rd rounder could ever do anything.
Nate Washington in Tennessee ... no chance he'll ever he any good ......
Steve Johnson in Buffalo ..... again, another sucky 7th rounder .....
Man, I can't believe how horrible these guys are. If only teams could find value at WR late in the draft. Too bad that's impossible. (Except for Moore, these guys are 7 of the top 20 receivers in the NFL last year)
Yep .... there's no chance of finding a quality WR later in the draft .......
 what about the 500 others drafted in that time frame who amounted to squat? 
I hate it when someone uses exceptions to try and disprove a known point.
By your logic why Draft anyone in the high rounds, because you can find one of any position later.
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That Calvin Johnson is a scrub
You've been smokin' Weeden if you think there's a WR even remotely close to Calvin Johnson in this draft.
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first 3 rounds are easy picks, 4-7 you earn your money. There are probowlers to be had, just have to find them.
I see a lot of talent available.
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The Browns don't need just any WR. They need a true #1. Id be surprised if anybody left can be a true #1. I think I would be drafting corner next
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first 3 rounds are easy picks, 4-7 you earn your money. There are probowlers to be had, just have to find them.
I see a lot of talent available.
With ????????????? Marks attached.
Reminds me of Heckert's and Shurmur's presser last night, when presented with the question "what about a WR"
They look at each other like dumb and dumber (like we need a WR?)
"We are not going to take a WR just to take one"
Idiots 
The whole league/world knows what these fools can't see. Your group of WR are sub par ... Ah hell they sux! Morons 
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Our front office dropped the ball on this big time
 Just the one drop?
I heard Heckert went home sick & Greg Little took over in the third... 
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Exactly and precisely the point.
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Dwight Jones was considered a first round lock but had poor workouts. Childs is a stud just now returning to full strength from his knee injury, he is a first round caliber talent. Marvin Jones and Criner were both early 2nd projections.
Nick Toon, McNutt, ERic Page, Jordan White, Streeter, Joe Adams,
Man there are probowlers to be had at the receiver position.
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God knows that you can't get value out of late round receivers.
I mean ... look at 3rd round pick Wallace and 6th round pick Brown for the Steelers. man, they suck.
Look at Wes Welker. Man, he sucks. No UDFA can ever make it in the NFL.
That Cruz kid in New York ..... he'll never be anything.
How about that lousy Lance Moore in New Orleans ....... he must suck since he was an UDFA.
Steve Smith in Carolina ..... no late 3rd rounder could ever do anything.
Nate Washington in Tennessee ... no chance he'll ever he any good ......
Steve Johnson in Buffalo ..... again, another sucky 7th rounder .....
Man, I can't believe how horrible these guys are. If only teams could find value at WR late in the draft. Too bad that's impossible. (Except for Moore, these guys are 7 of the top 20 receivers in the NFL last year)
Yep .... there's no chance of finding a quality WR later in the draft .......
what about the 500 others drafted in that time frame who amounted to squat?
I hate it when someone uses exceptions to try and disprove a known point.
By your logic why Draft anyone in the high rounds, because you can find one of any position later.
I used the top 20 guys in the NFL in receiving last year.
7 of those 20 were the guys I listed. A couple were TEs. (3 or 4, IIRC) That means that a huge portion of the most productive receivers in the NFL were found outside of the 1st round.
This is a case where the exceptions has value .... because it is such a large portion of the overall sample.
If there was one guy out of 20, and he was the #2 guy, then your exception might prove the rule ..... but that's not the case. Receivers are found deep into the draft, and the best in the league generally play with the best QBs.
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This.
People are mad that we're not drafting a Receiver, but honestly, what good is another #2 gonna do?
We have 2 #2's in MoMass and Greg Little. We need a #1.
Once we weren't able to get Blackmon and Floyd, there was no #1's left.
You don't take a receiver just for the sake of taking a receiver. If there's not a receiver there than can help this team and be the true #1, you fill other holes.
Pretty simple concept.
With that said, the Hughes pick makes me scratch my head, but not because it wasn't a receiver. I get that.
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Cordy has some projection as an NFL Guard.
Martin has some concerned about his lack of strength as far as playing RT in the NFL.
Obviously the Browns felt that Schwartz was the guy to step in on day 1 and do the job.
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TopDawg, I agree. We can hope they find a WR or WRsss that they see as great values where we pick. No more REACHING. LB, CB, DE. If great values at other positions of need fall to us they should be taken. Sounds stupid saying this after the Hughes pick though...
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That's a crock of BS, you find/take WR in round one and after the top 100, then you might as well wait until after the draft to sign them to a FA contract. So by your logic we shouldn't have taken Richardson, because the best RB in the League last year was Foster a frickin FA. Well I think that after taking Richardson it was clear to me that the WR position would be hard to fill in the top 100 picks. I knew this before the Draft. We could not do both imo and still get Weeden and our RT after depleting our ammo reserves. We need playmakers we got one albeit a club.  For a team with the most picks coming into the Draft. One would have thought we could get at least two playmakers in the top 3 rounds. That did not come to pass, because taking a RB with our first pick almost guaranteed that we could not do that in this Draft. That was the choice they made and they made that bed and now they have to lay in it (together). Btw RB Chris Polk is still available.
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Regarding WR's, I recall reading here on the board that Santonio Holmes could be had for a late round draft pick. If true, I'd consider it for about 3 seconds and then do it. Braylon Edwards would be an upgrade over anyone we have. Mike Wallace is still unsigned, although he's a RFA, so I guess we'd have to trade with Pitt, which isn't going to happen. There's really no point in drafting a WR who isn't better than what you have now.
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Cordy has some projection as an NFL Guard.
Martin has some concerned about his lack of strength as far as playing RT in the NFL.
Obviously the Browns felt that Schwartz was the guy to step in on day 1 and do the job.
I'm sure that Howard Mudd had a lot of input with this decision and if he starts for us for 10 years, then know body is going to remember Glenn or Martin.
I thought that he was the best 'pure' RT prospect two months ago, before the silly season and other prospects got all of the love from the media. We have come full circle.
I like the selection. We finally have a replacement for Ryan Tucker. 
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I guess we should have believed H&H when they said they were OK with our receivers...
No we are correct not believing in their lip serves. Dumb and Dumber can say what ever they want, but that doesn't mean we don't need more playmakers in the passing game.
Read my sig.
These morons still believe WR's are a dime a dozen and that having a top 5 RB makes you a good offense.
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THERE IS NOT A LEGIT #1 RECEIVER OUTSIDE OF BLACKMON/FLOYD IN THIS DRAFT!
Why keep drafting 2nd and 3rd receivers? You can't take a receiver just for the sake of taking a receiver
Hello that's why I would have taken Blackmon and still found a RB later.
Chris Polk is still on the board.
The RB position is secondary in today's game unless your one of the few teams still holding on to out dated beliefs.
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Just clicking
What decent receivers are left?
anyone got any ideas?
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McNutt
Streeter
The three Arkansas WR'ers.
A lot of others.
you had a good run Hank.
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THERE IS NOT A LEGIT #1 RECEIVER OUTSIDE OF BLACKMON/FLOYD IN THIS DRAFT!
Why keep drafting 2nd and 3rd receivers? You can't take a receiver just for the sake of taking a receiver
I think Childs and Criner are potential ones.
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Why keep drafting 2nd and 3rd receivers? You can't take a receiver just for the sake of taking a receiver
I think Childs and Criner are potential ones.
Not #1's, but they can be complimentary types. I'm not high on Criner (so he'll be our pick ), but I like Childs a lot and gave him a 2nd round grade last year before his injury, so he could still be better then what we have already.
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It should be important to know that the Browns do not hold the view of the classic #1 WR.
I think they'd be happy to have 3 #2's.
you had a good run Hank.
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It should be important to know that the Browns do not hold the view of the classic #1 WR.
I think they'd be happy to have 3 #2's.
I think that's obvious
That's just old school thinking imo.
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Hmm.. we play a west coast offense that essentially goes side to side rather than the deep ball. I'm not necc looking for a 1.. I'm looking for guys that run crisp routes and get YAC.
Maybe getting a 2 that CATCHES the ball, runs good routes and gets some yardage is where we need to go here?
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It should be important to know that the Browns do not hold the view of the classic #1 WR.
I think they'd be happy to have 3 #2's.
I think that's obvious
That's just old school thinking imo.
I don't think it's old school thinking. The Patriots have been using that theory for years. As have the Steelers, Seahawks and some other teams.
you had a good run Hank.
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