First...Rambo...this is an important draft and you can call it defining or whatever...fact is, this draft is the 3rd of 5 drafts that will be conducted in the Browns 5 years rebuilding program that started in 2010.
There will be two more drafts following the 2012 draft.
anarch...you need to get a grip man...you are not going to like every pick and every pick will not be a homerun. Fact is, Heckert is relying on input from scouts and other draft personnel employed by the Browns to make these picks. Ultimately, Heckert is the man we hold responsible and he is paid to take the heat if a pick does not work out.
We may not understand why some players are picked when they are in these later rounds and the chances that the front office picks are the same as your picks are slim.
Relax...stop the foaming at the mouth or someone will call the dawg catcher and have you sent to the pound...come on man... ...
j/c In case anyone is interested this is what I found on the guy.
Here is a, perhaps biased, look at Hughes. Maybe with his background as a tight end he brings a versatility to the squad. Perhaps even lining up as a defensive end. I am not sure, but I am trying to find some rationale here.
John Hughes was half of the 600-lbs brickwall that formed the interior of the defensive line in 2011. Derek Wolfe was of course the other half and has received much more publicity and put up better numbers than Hughes. However the fellow senior had a solid year in his own right. The senior posted 5 sacks, 51 tackles, and 12.5 tackles for loss. While the stats won’t ‘Wow’ you (other than the TFL’s), John Hughes quietly became one of the most important pieces on a defense that specialized at beating up an opponent’s run game. I mean, clearly, 12.5 tackles for loss is a heck of a lot for a defensive tackle and he really put a stamp on career at Cincinnati this past season.
STRENGTHS
Run Defense Beating 1v1 Blocks
Like I mentioned John Hughes gobbled up running backs last season. The only players with more TFL’s were Derek Wolfe, who is just unbelievable, and J.K. Schaffer, who was seemingly in 18 places on the field at once. Part of Hughes’ success against the run was his sheer size. At 6’2″ and close to 310 lbs he is a pure gap controlling lineman. He doesn’t even have to necessarily make a play on the runningback but simply get in his way and force him to find a different running lane. Those precious seconds are more than enough for blitzing linebackers or other defensive linemen to make a play. But Hughes is also a force to block one-on-one. While Derek Wolfe commanded double teams, someone had to step up and beat their guy in the trenches. Many times that player was John Hughes who displayed good technique and strength for beating those blocks.
WEAKNESSES
Inconsistent
One of the primary differences between John Hughes and Derek Wolfe isn’t in size or mentality but the fact that regardless of the situation, Wolfe never stopped playing. He has a motor that simply doesn’t stop pressuring offensive linemen regardless of the down, yardage-to-go, or quarter. But the biggest knock on Hughes was that he sometimes didn’t run plays out or display a different, and sometimes worse, technique play-to-play. These inconsistencies are major weaknesses in his game. The good thing is that Hughes is absolutely physically ready to perform at the next level and NFL coaches don’t have a tendency to shy away from a player who doesn’t exert effort 100% of the time. It just gives them an excuse to chew someone out in practice.
PROJECTED ROUND(S)/LIKELY TEAM(S)
6th Round – 7th Round Pittsburgh Steelers
Like I said there hasn’t been much buzz surrounding John Hughes as he heads into the NFL Draft. He will probably be taken later in day 3 and from what I have seen he is drawing some interest from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Unlike Wolfe, Hughes will stick with his defensive tackle position in the NFL and more specifically the nose guard. He has pretty solid technique up front and is better handing single-blocks instead of double-teams, hence his move to nose guard who is the sole assignment of the center after he snaps the ball. Hughes will need some time to develop and hopefully that, in addition to sometimes taking plays off, won’t deter NFL teams from taking a chance on him.
Played defensive end, tight end and receiver as an Ohio prep. Also lettered in basketball and track and field (shot put). Redshirted in 2007. Saw action in 13 games in ’08, making a start at defensive tackle against Eastern Kentucky, and registered 20 tackles, 2 1⁄2 tackles for loss and two sacks with one forced fumble. In ’09, he saw action in all 13 contests with one start at defensive tackle and recorded 23-6-2. Started all 12 games at nose tackle in ’10 and posted 47-4 1⁄2-0 with one pass batted down. Made starts at nose tackle in 11 of the 12 games in which he played in ’11 with 51-12 1⁄2-5 with a pass batted down and a blocked field goal. Graduated in December. Did not participate in Combine drills (right knee). Positives:
Good size and long arms. Generally holds his ground at the line of scrimmage. Strong hands to press blockers and tug free. Protects his legs. Negatives:
Small hands. Pedestrian athletic ability. Limited hip snap. Stiff hips and ankles. Marginal pass-rush ability/third-down utility. Average instincts and awareness. Production and compete level leave something to be desired — takes plays off. Summary:
Plodding, clogging, two-down, 4-3 nose tackle with limited upside. Could compete for a reserve job, but is the type you look to replace.
I think I get what style of GM Heckert is by now...he's NOT a BPA guy, regardless of what they tell us....he is, what I call, a "target" guy...he has only several players he really, really likes at a particular spot and those are the guys he wants then, regardless of who falls
Pros of this approach:
- there is a clear plan, they're not drafting just talent, they build a team - high confidence in the selections, resulting in pretty good Top50 choices so far
Cons:
- less flexibility on draft day, often resulting in position reaching (ie Ward, Hardesty) - prone to uptrades and/or overdrafts to go get the targets...when a target tier is gone, they dip into next round's instead of considering falling talent regardless of position
It could be that this approach is somewhat forced since we don't have a good overall team yet, but more and more he seems to be the contrary of Ozzie or Jerry Reese in NY, who's style I'd categorize as value "whores"...Upshaw selection ebing a good example...he wasn't their target, if he was he would not have traded out of the 1st...it was a pure BPA pick based on talent....again, this difference could be and probably is the direct result of the team's overall talent level and competitiveness..simply put: GMs of good teams have the luxury to go value whoring, while GM's of bad teams have o fix high value positions 1st...it can be a vicious circle if those "forced" gambles don't pan out (McCoy, Weeden...)...at least this regime gets it though and tries to fix it...sometimes you need a little timing and luck too (GB with Rodgers, what was Belly before lucking into Brady?)
We will see...
#gmstrong
"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
Weeden to Little Slant routes will rule the day...
That's foolish!
I was going to let that comment go to...
but since you called it out, I'd like to add to that.
are you kidding me? Little running a slant route with 9 in the box would never work. ever. He would take so many head shots by week 6... He would be on a liquid diet, with a scrambled egg brain, living in Danvers State Lunatic Asylum wearing superman pj's.
Quote: anarch...you need to get a grip man...you are not going to like every pick and every pick will not be a homerun. Fact is, Heckert is relying on input from scouts and other draft personnel employed by the Browns to make these picks. Ultimately, Heckert is the man we hold responsible and he is paid to take the heat if a pick does not work out.
Oh, I've got a grip mac. I don't expect to like every pick. I expect to like more than a single pick. The Richardson pick is the only one I can understand. The only one! And with the other picks that they've made, I'm beginning to think that it will even become a bad one. The euphoria of getting Richardson won't mean squat if we're going into next season with crap WRs! Yeah, they're crap! Every single one of them is sub-par and wouldn't be the primary target on any other NFL team. That includes the team's '#1' receiver.
This front office has been high or drunk (or both) and must have been back there laughing and saying to one another while writing 'Brandon Weeden' on a card. Then 'Mitchell Schwartz'. Then topping it off with 'John Hughes' on a card.
Brandon Weeden? When so many better players are available? The same goes with Schwartz. Then John Hughes? Who the hell is John Hughes and why does he deserve to be selected in the 3rd round? Nope... utter failure! They have to be back there saying, "Let's see if we can get fired for making this pick!" How bad can we look? Let's see if we can get the other NFL teams laughing at us even more.
Quote: We may not understand why some players are picked when they are in these later rounds and the chances that the front office picks are the same as your picks are slim.
Relax...stop the foaming at the mouth or someone will call the dawg catcher and have you sent to the pound...come on man... ...
Nah! I'm absolutely livid! The nimrods in Berea deserve to be fired yesterday after the Weeden pick!
Weeden to Little Slant routes will rule the day...
That's foolish!
I was going to let that comment go to...
but since you called it out, I'd like to add to that.
are you kidding me? Little running a slant route with 9 in the box would never work. ever. He would take so many head shots by week 6... He would be on a liquid diet, with a scrambled egg brain, living in Danvers State Lunatic Asylum wearing superman pj's.
You still think that Greg Little can catch the ball? I see the NFL's safeties having a field day with Greg Little's head. You'll wonder if it's a life-sized bobblehead out there on the field.
Quote: Well he will no longer have Colt leading him back into a hit on a 7 yard out.
He'll have Weeden throwing him the ball on on a 3-yd slant instead because we've got no receivers for opposing teams to fear. None.
Answer just two questions for me, if you would.
1. Who is going to be our primary target in the passing game going into the season?
2. What defense in the NFL has ANY apprehension facing our receiving corps?
You see, we had two glaring needs. OL and WR. One could argue that we had a need at RB as well. We've addressed the OL (although, in my opinion, not with the best option) and the RB need (with the best option at a minor increase in cost). We haven't address the WR need and cannot address it properly with the remaining crop at the position. So, we've let a glaring need go unaddressed entirely (or virtually so).
In my view, we're actually worse off than we were last year.
Quote: The Richardson pick is the only one I can understand. The only one!
Really?
You can't understand why they would want a new starting QB going into next year? I mean .... you really can't?
You can't understand why they would go after the best RT in the draft, even if they had to slightly overdraft him?
This team had 4 major holes on offense ...... QB, RB, RT, and WR. Today they have a hole at WR left to fill. There are still receivers left to draft .... and probably quite a few who will be just as good as some drafted in round 3. Receivers have really dropped in this draft. Everyone said how dee this draft was at WR .... well, 9 went in the first 2 rounds. Obviously the Browns feel that the guys still on the board are about equal in value.
Devier Posey went with the 5th pick in the 3rd round. To me that was a reach. TJ Graham went in the 3rd round at the 6th spot. That is a major reach to me.
The value pick was probably Sanu to the Bengals at 83. Unfortunately, we didn;t pick until 87 after the trade down. Sometimes you miss when you make a big move down.
There are still guys on the board that I like at WR. I really like McNutt out of Iowa. Chris Givens is still available. Crier, Childs, and many others of similar ability are still available.
I probably would have taken a WR at our original spot in the 3rd round and fixed the last remaining major hole on offense. It will be interesting to see how our WRs do with a real QB throwing them the ball though. I predict that they will look much better this coming year.
You are a huge McCoy fan ..... I get that. However, Brandon Weeden is a much, much better QB prospect. It's obvious that they felt that the Colt McCoy experiment had run its course, and it was time for a change. You disagree. That's your right. Personally, I'm so happy that I will never again have to see Colt McCoy completely ignore a wide open receiver in order to check down to a covered guy 2 or 3 yards down field instead.
Schwartz is an excellent RT candidate, and will step in from day 1. Our OL is now set for thenext 5 years or so, and the Browns wiÝl let it grow together like good teams do with theirs. I am extremely happy with the pick.
Quote: Nah! I'm absolutely livid! The nimrods in Berea deserve to be fired yesterday after the Weeden pick!
Again ..... never again watching Colt McCoy check down while a wide open receiver is waving his hands in the air furiously is worth the price of admission for Weeden. Finally we might have a real NFL QB. Will he be great? I dunno. Will he be a huge upgrade from McCoy, Couch, Frye, and any of the other weak armed bums we've had pretending to be QBs? I believe so.
McCoy is never going to be a starting QB in the NFL. The Browns are not wasting any more time on him. This is a good thing. I would have preferred a trade up to get :Luck or RG3 ..... but the way things turned out is a solid consolation prize.
Don't worry, be happy. I think that we'll see a huge difference in the way the offense runs by the middle of next season. It'll be a good thing. If we get rid of Wallace as well, we can go with a "No more munchkin" philosophy.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: Don't worry, be happy. I think that we'll see a huge difference in the way the offense runs by the middle of next season.
MIDDLE of next season?
A team like ours cannot afford to draft a QB in the 1st Rd with the expectation that he won't be effectively running the offense until after 4 MONTHS in the offense.
He better "get it" quicker than that. If he does not, Seneca will be our QB for the year and 2012 will be a throw-away year...again.
I hope we use the rest of the draft for WRs looking for a couple decent ones so the kid doesn't get destroyed by WRs who are simply below average.
I think the pick was incredibly AWFUL...I am ok with the player tho.
Now I hope we trade/release Colt and Seneca and get on with the next era.
Here we go Brownies.
Aplogies for this response in the Hughes thread...I won't respond further here about other positions...I am now a Weeden-supporter.
They have said all along they like our receivers and the drafting of Colt's replacement makes one to assume that they view Colt as the problem and not so much the receivers. We are about to find out which side was right.
Thing we also need to remember, this receiver class was about 15 deep in top 60 talent. We will get guys with early 2nd round grades today at the receiver position.
We gave McCoy a chance last year in his 2nd year. Unfortunately, he regressed, and got worse and worse as the year went along. When you can unplug your starter, plug in a bum backup like Wallace, lose your starting and backup TE, and your slot receiver, and the passing game appears completely unaffected, then you have a major QB problem.
We had a major QB problem.
Hopefully it is now solved for a while. If not, then the Browns can work to address it again next year.
However, I do expect that Weeden will be an immediate and appreciable upgrade over McCoy. That being said, I don't think that he will know everything right off the bat. He will probably open the season knowing about 12 plays and their trees.He won't really know the whole offense until his 2nd year.
Regardless, I expect that he will produce much better results than Colt McCoy did. I expect us to score more points, and to not leave big plays all over the field.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: You can't understand why they would want a new starting QB going into next year? I mean .... you really can't?
Nope. I honestly can't. Even if I were to say that we needed an upgrade at the position (you always try to upgrade), that wasn't accomplished with the selection of Weeden.
Quote: You can't understand why they would go after the best RT in the draft, even if they had to slightly overdraft him?
In my opinion, he wasn't the best RT on the board when he was selected. And slightly overdraft? It's not like the next three OL taken in the draft, Silatolu, Glenn and Allen aren't better than Schwartz and that the teams selecting them would have taken Schwartz over them. I'd have certainly taken Silatolu and Glenn over Schwartz, but that's just me.
Quote: This team had 4 major holes on offense ...... QB, RB, RT, and WR. Today they have a hole at WR left to fill.
I disagree that the holes at QB and RB were dire needs. I'm okay with the Richardson pick (even if, slightly overdrafting, to use your phrase) because he was the best at the position. As stated, even if I were to say that there was a dire need at QB, it wasn't addressed with Weeden's selection.
Quote: There are still receivers left to draft .... and probably quite a few who will be just as good as some drafted in round 3. Receivers have really dropped in this draft. Everyone said how dee this draft was at WR .... well, 9 went in the first 2 rounds. Obviously the Browns feel that the guys still on the board are about equal in value.
And none of them scare anyone. None of them will be primary targets on any team (except for maybe the Browns). If Greg Little is our top receiving threat going into next season, then the position was not addressed at all. Period. Spin it any way that makes you feel better but this team just regressed BIG TIME and that's after taking a monstertalent at RB!
My prediction of two wins next season stands. I'm not altering it. Depending on who they select with the remaining picks, it's possible that I could lower my prediction total even lower. But, for the moment, it's stuck at 2 wins.
Quote: Devier Posey went with the 5th pick in the 3rd round. To me that was a reach. TJ Graham went in the 3rd round at the 6th spot. That is a major reach to me.
Okay, and that helps the Browns how? It makes you feel better about the Weeden pick, the Schwartz pick, and the Hughes pick. Great. You're going to see how bad this team really is when next season rolls around.
Quote: The value pick was probably Sanu to the Bengals at 83. Unfortunately, we didn;t pick until 87 after the trade down. Sometimes you miss when you make a big move down.
Setting yourself up to handle the disappointment? Trying to get your mind in a mode to accept the failures coming next season? If only they hadn't give up that 4th round pick to acquire Richardson, they wouldn't have traded back in the 3rd round to reacquire one and... what coulda been? Yyyyyyyep!
See any of my points yet or still trusting in this group of 'Weeden smokers' and praying that everything turns out alright?
Quote: There are still guys on the board that I like at WR. I really like McNutt out of Iowa. Chris Givens is still available. Cri[n]er, Childs, and many others of similar ability are still available.
Which ones among this group are going to strike fear into opposing teams? As far as it goes, which one will be there to be selected? There are 31 other teams making picks too. I'm sure they're sitting around thinking 'the Browns need a receiver more than we do, we'll leave them this hidden gem and see if they find it'.
Quote: I probably would have taken a WR at our original spot in the 3rd round and fixed the last remaining major hole on offense. It will be interesting to see how our WRs do with a real QB throwing them the ball though. I predict that they will look much better this coming year.
You still think Weeden is a real QB? Well, there's your problem. The foundation you're using isn't solid. It's not even sand. It's quicksand. Let's say that you're right though. What are your expectations for the Browns victory totals next year? 6 wins? 7 or 8 wins? 9 wins? 10+ wins? Realistically, how many wins will we get with Richardson and Weeden and Schwartz and whoever they get at WR with round 4-7 selections.
How many wins?
Quote: You are a huge McCoy fan ..... I get that.
You're wrong. I just don't think that McCoy is the bum that you and everyone else thinks he is. I don't think that the QB position was as bad as you (and the current 4-5 win regime do). Just because I defend McCoy against what I perceive are unwarranted attacks, I think he's a capable QB without a competent cast around him. Joe Thomas and Alex Mack are great but they're not targets on offense. Our top two receiving threat WRs are converted from other positions (Greg Little from RB and Josh Cribbs from QB/KR). This is why we are the laughing stock of the NFL man. It had nothing to do with Colt McCoy.
Quote: However, Brandon Weeden is a much, much better QB prospect.
Based on what? Taking shotgun snaps all his life? Having Justin Blackmon as a target?
Quote: It's obvious that they felt that the Colt McCoy experiment had run its course
That may be. Looking at the draft after the Richardson pick, I feel the same way about this regime. I'm sick of the 4-5 win regime. You already know I don't think they'll even reach that mark this year.
Quote: Schwartz is an excellent RT candidate, and will step in from day 1. Our OL is now set for the next 5 years or so, and the Browns will let it grow together like good teams do with theirs. I am extremely happy with the pick.
Schwartz will have to be the starter from Day 1. And our guards are still sub-par. You think Schwartz is all that and a bag of chips. I expect that he'll do a competent job at RT but our guards are sub-par and he won't be able to help them.
Roethlisberger is smiling in Putzburgh because he's got DeCastro at RG and Mike Adams at LT. Maurkice Pouncey at C. The Steelers are going to draft another T or G in the draft, maybe both.
I'm finished.. not going to respond any more to your novel. I've wasted enough time.
Who in this draft, besides Blackmon and Floyd, are significant upgrades to MoMass and Greg Little?
Stephen Hill, Kendall Wright, Rueben Randle, Brian Quick, Ryan Broyles of those selected. A legitimate case could be made for all of the others selected as well as being upgrades over what we have on the roster now.
Quote: They have said all along they like our receivers and the drafting of Colt's replacement makes one to assume that they view Colt as the problem and not so much the receivers. We are about to find out which side was right.
Thing we also need to remember, this receiver class was about 15 deep in top 60 talent. We will get guys with early 2nd round grades today at the receiver position.
Maybe. We'll see. We certainly got 7th round DT talent in the 3rd round and 4th round QB talent in the 1st.
Who in this draft, besides Blackmon and Floyd, are significant upgrades to MoMass and Greg Little?
I've been stressing this for a while now.. at this point, no one is going to come and take snaps from either of those guys.. It's not happening. As much whining and bickering that goes on amongst Cleveland fans about our WRs.. if they suck so bad, how come they aren't getting beat for time? After Alshon Jeffrey was taken, the level of talent really isn't there for someone to just start immediately. At this point any WR we draft is working for the 3WR spot down.
The real issue here is QB, and the Browns addressed it.
Who in this draft, besides Blackmon and Floyd, are significant upgrades to MoMass and Greg Little?
Stephen Hill, Kendall Wright, Rueben Randle, Brian Quick, Ryan Broyles of those selected. A legitimate case could be made for all of the others selected as well as being upgrades over what we have on the roster now.
Who in this draft, besides Blackmon and Floyd, are significant upgrades to MoMass and Greg Little?
Stephen Hill, Kendall Wright, Rueben Randle, Brian Quick, Ryan Broyles of those selected. A legitimate case could be made for all of the others selected as well as being upgrades over what we have on the roster now.
Are any of those guys true #1 receivers?
#1 receivers? Would any of them be the team's primary target? Yeah, every one of them would be over Greg Little, our current primary target. Every one of them!
Who in this draft, besides Blackmon and Floyd, are significant upgrades to MoMass and Greg Little?
Stephen Hill, Kendall Wright, Rueben Randle, Brian Quick, Ryan Broyles of those selected. A legitimate case could be made for all of the others selected as well as being upgrades over what we have on the roster now.
Are any of those guys true #1 receivers?
#1 receivers? Would any of them be the team's primary target? Yeah, every one of them would be over Greg Little, our current primary target. Every one of them!
You're absolutely insane if you believe that.
Quick, Randle, Broyles as #1 receivers?
Hill? Maybe ... But who knows, you're talking about a guy that caught 20 balls.
DeCastro is actually a better run blocker than pass defender from what I have read.
McCoy will soon be nothing but a bad memory, and we will have moved on to a new and hopefully brighter future with a better QB. You talk about Weeden "never working under Center", well, neither did McCoy. So what? Neither did Dalton, nor Flacco, nor Roethlisberger.
Better talent makes for a better QB, and Weeden has far better tale|t than McCoy. He has a better arm, better accuracy, better ball placement .... and it wasn't like he threw every pass to Blackmon.
Weeden went 408 of 564 for 72.3%, 4727 yards, 8.3 yards/attempt, and 37 TD/13 INT.
Justin Blackmon caught 121 of Weeden's passes, for 1522 yards. He caught 18 of 37 TD passes.
This is probably pretty common when you have a top flight college receiver. However, what amazes me about Weeden is just how much he spread the ball around. Hie receivers caught ... in order:
Blackmon caught the most passes, as would be expected on a team with one great college receiver ... but Weeden fed everyone.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Who in this draft, besides Blackmon and Floyd, are significant upgrades to MoMass and Greg Little?
Stephen Hill, Kendall Wright, Rueben Randle, Brian Quick, Ryan Broyles of those selected. A legitimate case could be made for all of the others selected as well as being upgrades over what we have on the roster now.
Are any of those guys true #1 receivers?
#1 receivers? Would any of them be the team's primary target? Yeah, every one of them would be over Greg Little, our current primary target. Every one of them!
You're absolutely insane if you believe that.
Quick, Randle, Broyles as #1 receivers?
Hill? Maybe ... But who knows, you're talking about a guy that caught 20 balls.
All of those receivers are better than Greg Little. Of the rest already drafted, they could be argued to be better than Greg Little too. They would have been a been our primary target if we had drafted them.
So, Greg Little dropped more passes than Stephen Hill caught and yet Hill outproduced Greg Little at the respective level of play. Both came from the ACC, so you can't even say that Greg Little faced stiffer competition than Hill did.
The only picks graded comparably (40's) in the first 3 days were:
(2) SS Tavon Wilson (Illinois)- 48.2 (2) DT Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati) - 47.5
Interesting that two Bearcat DT's were rated as two of the 3 worst picks in rounds 1-3.
A player in the 40's was explained:
(20-49) UDFA / Free Agent - A player with solid measurables, intangibles, college achievements, or a developing skill that warrants an opportunity in an NFL camp. In the right situation, he could earn a place on a 53-man roster, but most likely will be a practice squad player or a camp body.
Quote: DeCastro is actually a better run blocker than pass defender from what I have read.
He's the prototype of a HOF guard and we passed on him because we had to have Weeden.
On a 10 point scale, with decimal fractions, DeCastro is a 10.0 in the run blocking area and a 9.8 or 9.9 in the pass blocking area. Well, he is a better run blocker, so we shouldn't take him. Ludicrous argument! Seriously! And you really think that our guards are fine.
Quote: McCoy will soon be nothing but a bad memory, and we will have moved on to a new and hopefully brighter future with a better QB. You talk about Weeden "never working under Center", well, neither did McCoy. So what? Neither did Dalton, nor Flacco, nor Roethlisberger.
Oooookay. LOL
A video about Roethlisberger as a prospect. (How many times in the shotgun?)
I am getting tired of hearing all about draft value. Heckert said they were sweating when they past on him at 67. Grades don't matter. It's where you can be sure the guy you want will be there. Apparently the Browns thought that other teams were looking to get him. Wolfe went earlier then the grade suggests as well.
Finally found some decent footage of what Hughes brings to us. He's the immovable object next to Derek Wolfe (highlighted in this film and went 4th in the 2nd round to the Broncos). Hughes is #40.
I don't have a problem with us picking Hughes just with where we took him. I think he'll be a great backup to Taylor at DT but in the 3rd rnd you need to be looking at people who might be able to start not backup players. I would have been fine with him in the 5th rnd or later.
I'm actually a UC fan, not a Browns fan. I've watched him play for awhile now and what I can tell you, is he played most of his senior year with one bad leg. It's since healed, hence why he's gained more interest. The Browns actually had expressed interest in him for awhile, according to Butch Jones(Cincinnati head coach). We developed a great D-line by the end of the season the past year, Wolfe was a beast, mostly because of his new found desire to get to the ball at all times and through his sheer tenacity. Dude arm barred and choke slammed QB's to the turf.
Hughes is a pretty good run stopper. Unlike Wolfe, he really has no problem with being double teamed. His effort has always been there, it's just, this year he was hurt. He's quick off the snap and pretty heady. I don't think he should have gone as early as he did, but for what he is, he's solid. He's a mountain of bulk, that moves well, gets after the run and can hold his ground with anybody. Like I said though, just not sure why he went so early
As for the NFL analysis of the two, Derek Wolfe was excellent at the senior bowl. He was one of the best tackles in the country and his stock rose from the combine and the senior bowl work outs because of it. People have a bias toward certain leagues, it's understandable. There's no reason either of those kids won't be quality lineman.
The thing that bugs me, is why does Cleveland neglect the WR and take a chance on someone like Weeden? Yes, he's older, but he's not used to being under center at all and it's going to be awfully hard to convert him. The WCO is predicated on quick wide recievers, who catch short passes and haul ass down field. A rocket arm and slow recievers running short routes... seems... self defeating.
Quote: I am getting tired of hearing all about draft value. Heckert said they were sweating when they past on him at 67. Grades don't matter. It's where you can be sure the guy you want will be there. Apparently the Browns thought that other teams were looking to get him. Wolfe went earlier then the grade suggests as well.
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