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I don't have a problem with us picking Hughes just with where we took him.
I think he'll be a great backup to Taylor at DT but in the 3rd rnd you need to be looking at people who might be able to start not backup players. I would have been fine with him in the 5th rnd or later.
The way I look at it we aren't looking at him as a back-up. We are looking at him a 3rd starter....all 3 of them will end up getting close to the same number of reps.
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Why does everyone think we took Hughes for this : " I think he'll be a great backup to Taylor at DT but in the 3rd rnd you need to be looking at people who might be able to start not backup players"
We needed a ROTATION guy in a bad way last year to spell Taylor AND Rubin. They played WAY to many snaps and got winded. Thats one of the reasons we had trouble stopping the run. Hughes gives us depth yes, but he will get a lot of snaps rotating in and out.
As to why we took Weeden ? He's been there done that already when it comes to many of the same situations any 22 year old we would have drafted, ( no time wasting on how to protect your money, who not to hang around with, don't do pot, etc etc etc. ) , has twice the arm our current QB has, actually looks like a NFL QB when his hand moves forward and has 4 months to learn from the NFL coaches to get ready (unlike last year).
WHY did we do it when we did ? Cause Mike couldn't stomach the thought of going into next year standing pat with Colt and decided to not take a chance on him being there later. Do I wish he was 22 ? Sure. But for us to win quicker ,I think his age is actually an asset for the next 4-5 years.
Guys... we WASTED how many 1rst rd picks in the last 10 years on other players that didn't pan out ? The SMART thing do to would have been to picked a QB in EVERY 1st RD we've had since coming back and KEPT picking them till we found the right guy.
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Having watched every play of this vid I was a bit disappointed...he was mostly crap fot the 1st min, getting owned on the TD run...he got much better though during the game but was out a lot, esp. on passing downs...he has no moves and was a rotational DL in College Would love to be proven wrong but he had no business going 87th overall...then again, lots of GMs have those WTF every draft in the 3rd round...maybe they've been in the war room too long and get silly and outsmart themselves I'll keep pretending he was a comp pick and 1 of Johnson, Acho or Winn went 87th but will always remember that we passed on Sanu, Fleming, Bequette and L.Miller to draft John Hughes 
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The thing that bugs me, is why does Cleveland neglect the WR and take a chance on someone like Weeden? Yes, he's older, but he's not used to being under center at all and it's going to be awfully hard to convert him. The WCO is predicated on quick wide recievers, who catch short passes and haul ass down field. A rocket arm and slow recievers running short routes... seems... self defeating.
Good to hear someone who is not bias echo my reservations with our WR's but I wouldn't have wanted one at pick 22 because the players I would have targeted where already off the board. To me it came down to Blackmon at 4 over Richardson or trade down from 4 and Draft Floyd. We chose to take the RB and that put us out of reach for a blue chip WR in this Draft imo, because we had other needs like QB and RT high on the list.
Thanks for your input with Hughes too. If he is what you are saying he is then we got what we where looking to get from that selection. A run stopping DT who can be a part of the DT rotation. we take one DT out most of the time in the nickle defense anyway, but getting rest for Taylor and Rubin who got very few snaps off all of last season will be key in keeping these guys fresh for the 4th quarter.
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Why does everyone think we took Hughes for this : " I think he'll be a great backup to Taylor at DT but in the 3rd rnd you need to be looking at people who might be able to start not backup players"
We needed a ROTATION guy in a bad way last year to spell Taylor AND Rubin. They played WAY to many snaps and got winded. Thats one of the reasons we had trouble stopping the run. Hughes gives us depth yes, but he will get a lot of snaps rotating in and out.
As to why we took Weeden ? He's been there done that already when it comes to many of the same situations any 22 year old we would have drafted, ( no time wasting on how to protect your money, who not to hang around with, don't do pot, etc etc etc. ) , has twice the arm our current QB has, actually looks like a NFL QB when his hand moves forward and has 4 months to learn from the NFL coaches to get ready (unlike last year).
WHY did we do it when we did ? Cause Mike couldn't stomach the thought of going into next year standing pat with Colt and decided to not take a chance on him being there later. Do I wish he was 22 ? Sure. But for us to win quicker ,I think his age is actually an asset for the next 4-5 years.
Guys... we WASTED how many 1rst rd picks in the last 10 years on other players that didn't pan out ? The SMART thing do to would have been to picked a QB in EVERY 1st RD we've had since coming back and KEPT picking them till we found the right guy.
I think that depends on the position DT you need 3-4 guys who can and will play in every game. Maybe not as much as your starters do but they play plenty. Think of them like a re-leaver in Baseball.
CB's are the same thing you have two starting CB's but you usually play 4 corners throughout the course of any game. They're role players and that's what we drafted him to be I think.
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Yea, who knows. Hope he works out. If I would have been Tom I would have selected ANY name left with a "WR" next to it just to shut everyone up 
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[ I don't expect to like every pick. I expect to like more than a single pick.
The Richardson pick is the only one I can understand. The only one!
Let me try to convey what I think they might have been thinking, and how I understand a few of these picks.
Richardson. ( A starting runningback to replace Hillis)
Brandon Weeden. ( Doing something to address the Qb woes when no free agent Qb will seriously consider Cleveland. ) also. Economics, if they take Tan, in the top 10, then he gets top 10 league qb average money after 4 years, but only top 25 league qb average money if taken 11 or later. Or something like that, I don't know. And Weeden was available 11 or later.
Mitchell Schwartz, Ot Calif, ... To replace Tony Pashos who was cut. Pashos was bad last year, like stalling the whole offense bad. ( Pashos may have cost McCoy his job, partially, that's a whole other arguement)
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Then John Hughes? Who is John Hughes and why does he deserve to be selected in the 3rd round?
Well it was his birthday, Happy birthday him. April 27, 1988.
John Hughes, a Dt, ...... The Browns have given some playing time over the last 2 years to Brian Sanford, and Scott Paxon, if you just read the team roster websight you can see these 2 have barely made the team, Now I know that we want to think the starters, ( Rubin, Sheard, Phil T, ) can play every down, but sometimes they don't and these rotational guys are important.
That goes the same for Billy Winn. ( Jayme Mitchell has left the team in the last 13 months and This guy can compete for the De spot with Emmanuel Stephens, Frostee, Juqua, ... Not to mention Austin English. Austin English was a FA signed about when camp started I ,think, a couple years back and saw time on the roster most of last season, some time in the games. English is really a ? to make any team in the NFL and Winn may be an upgrade for speciffically what they have here. ( Marcus Benard, on Dawgtalk, circa Feb 1 ish, was supposedly not tendered. Whatever that means Benard may not be back, so Winn and Acho are attempts to get legitimate NFL upgrades for their roles.
Travis Benjamin Wr. They need someone to strecth the field, right now as for a 5th option ( Nor, Cribbs, little, Momas,) they aren't getting what they need out of C Mitchell and Rod Windsor, ( maybe Windsor is a kickoff specialist?)
Maybe they are thinking they got such a reach here they can stash him on the practice squad? Maybe they think he has legitamate potential? He is a Wr with little production, and a fast one, apparantly, and smallish.
James Michael Johnson, ilb, Well , They got a clone of Dqwell jackson, and Dqwell had a big role last year, ( they said the def was designed to focus the plays to Dqwell and he would have alot of tackles. ) Fujita may face leage sanctions, Gocong is slower than people give him credit for, and Lb's are pure tacklers which is always important for depth and special teams.
Ryan Miller Og. Tradition, They are building the o-line with good players in mid rounds like Pinkston and Lavao, and now Miller. Pinkston is more of a ? than people give him credit for, and Miller provides an upgrade for the whole o-line. Chances are Miller will find a role there somewhere.
Trevin Wade, Cb, well you can never have enough " good corners" They get Corners every year in the draft, I complain how they take too many, and even I was impressed that they waited to pick 200+ to take one.
75% of NFL snaps have an extra db on the field. ( What?) I heard that from Tony Dungee once, radio interview, and I'll take his word for it. ( He became the first coach to beat all 32 teams, his colts beat his former bucs, so i'll take his word for it.)
Brad Smelley, he's a fullback. Owen Marecic is a fullback. Vickers used to be the fullback. any questions. Well seriously, they took a guy who has led blocked for Richardson, and fullbacks are usually pure blockers and those can always find a home on kickoff returns, right?
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Nah! I'm absolutely livid! The nimrods in Berea deserve to be fired yesterday after the Weeden pick!
Now I know your're a real fan. Sounds like something I would say. 
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I liked our draft position .. No way I move up to three for TR. ( Love the guy ) .. If he was there at #4 I would have taken him ,, If not I pick Blackmon .. Then at 22 I make my decision on Weeden ? Would cause quiet a bit of PR for the Team putting those two back together .. Think I would have pressed my luck and taken my RB at 22 and hoped that Weeden was there at 37 ( would have made the pick ) ..Would have picked my RT at 67 .. Might have been able to move back into the second with all the extra picks we would have had ..
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Yea, who knows. Hope he works out. If I would have been Tom I would have selected ANY name left with a "WR" next to it just to shut everyone up
Funny that you mentioned that, because that was my first thought after Benjamin was our 100th selection.
But in all seriousness it was an out of the box pick ... meaning we weren't trying to Draft a starting WR with the 100th pick in the draft.
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Having watched every play of this vid I was a bit disappointed...he was mostly crap fot the 1st min, getting owned on the TD run...he got much better though during the game but was out a lot, esp. on passing downs...he has no moves and was a rotational DL in College
CIN rotated all of the DL. Wolfe wasn't a 3 down lineman, nor was Hughes next to him every play. I'm hoping Hughes was in the game as Wolfe was sitting.
BTW - he did get owned on that first TD run. But I was very impressed by his stoutness during the rest of the vid. One thing you can say is he needs to work on his pass rush. Hughes shouldn't see the field on passing downs...ever. Lucky for us, Winn is more of the attacking DT and word is Rucker can slide inside when needed as well.
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we weren't trying to Draft a starting WR with the 100th pick in the draft.
Even if they were in LoVVVVe with the Browns Wr's, one would think they would have given the Wr position more attention in this draft. This was the most receiver laden draft in the last how many years.
Back to John Hughes.
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Whipple coached Benjamin so that was the connection. Most of our draft picks have connections to the regime. They love the insider info and maybe Whipple really saw something in the kid that said he would be fantastic in this offense.
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Ill give him this... He never moved backwards and was often double teamed.
Maybe this is one reason Wolfe looked so good.
Hughes knows when to shed and hold his ground at the point of attack most of the time (with the exception being that first TD run). He played a good game in the vid. He did his job and made a few plays in the process.
There seems to be a premium on pass rushers (e.g. Bruce Irvin) nowadays so its cool for a run stuffer to get some love. I'm hoping he's part of the reason our run D improves.
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I look at the little tape available on him and he looks more like a nose to me ...... but what do I know?
I won't complain if our run defense improves dramatically. It would be hard for it to get worse.
One thing about the 4-3 though is that most 4-3 teams try to get really deep on the DL because their DL are usually smaller, and push every play, whereas a 3-4 DL will hold his position and control his "gap" more than flat out work to collapse the pocket.
Hughes looks like he'd make a great NT. Hopefully he can be like Rubin though and make a great 4-3 interior lineman as well.
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Ideally, you would like Rubin and Taylor to play about 60% of the defensive snaps. Last year i would say Rubin played probably close to 98% and Taylor was well over 80% until he really started wearing down at the end of the year. Paxson came on and helped as a nickel rush DT but that was kinda the limit of any help for Rubin and Taylor.
I Like the idea that Rucker can slide inside on pure passing downs with Paxson. I like that in pure run downs we should have one hell of a front 4 or 5 man front with Rucker and Winn outside at DE with Rubin, Taylor and/or Hughes in the middle of a 5 man front.
We really need Benard to step up and be the guy many of us thought he could become and we would have an outstanding front. I also like our LB additions as they are good open field tacklers that do not shy from contact.
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I look at the little tape available on him and he looks more like a nose to me ...... but what do I know?
I won't complain if our run defense improves dramatically. It would be hard for it to get worse.
One thing about the 4-3 though is that most 4-3 teams try to get really deep on the DL because their DL are usually smaller, and push every play, whereas a 3-4 DL will hold his position and control his "gap" more than flat out work to collapse the pocket.
Hughes looks like he'd make a great NT. Hopefully he can be like Rubin though and make a great 4-3 interior lineman as well.
Much of the time one of our DT lines up at NT, usually the LDT (Taylor). He was drafted to be a role player and even though his pass rushing skills are limited and must be developed, I don't think that is what we wanted or thought we were getting with him, but he did have 5 sacks, so he probably can push the pocket to allow others to penetrate and get some sacks.
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I don't have a problem with us picking Hughes just with where we took him.
I think he'll be a great backup to Taylor at DT but in the 3rd rnd you need to be looking at people who might be able to start not backup players. I would have been fine with him in the 5th rnd or later.
You say "back up" as if he will only play if somebody gets hurt. He will be a part of our DL rotation and will get a reasonable amount of playing time. His presence will help keep our DL fresh and minimize the drop off when the starters rotate out.
Prevailing logic seems to be we could have got him later... maybe. Doesn't matter now.
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I say backup as in he's not the starter, yes he will get some reps, yes he's an upgrade over Paxson and Sanford but he will not replace Taylor or Rubin in the starting lineup and a 3rd rnd pick should be someone who can at least push the starters for their job.
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A couple of highlights you can actually see, replays show him doing his work. Sorry, I could only find the two clips. Toward the end of the year(Nov-Dec), he really was pretty good at disrupting things and getting in the backfield. http://www.downthedrive.com/2011/12/2/2604326/bearcat-football-senior-week-40-john-hughesI think he'll be an important rotational player on short yardage situations. He's big and pretty damn athletic. As for the nose comments, he often lined up as a nose tackle. No surprise.
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A couple of highlights you can actually see, replays show him doing his work. Sorry, I could only find the two clips. Toward the end of the year(Nov-Dec), he really was pretty good at disrupting things and getting in the backfield.
http://www.downthedrive.com/2011/12/2/2604326/bearcat-football-senior-week-40-john-hughes
I think he'll be an important rotational player on short yardage situations. He's big and pretty damn athletic.
As for the nose comments, he often lined up as a nose tackle. No surprise.
Thanks for the links. I'll check them out as soon as I get back to the house.
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JC Source: John Hughes Was a Hot Commodity Apr 30, 2012 -- 4:34pm By: Will Burge When the Browns selected Cincinnati defensive tackle John Hughes with the 87th pick in the third round, many people felt as though he could have been claimed later in the draft. Most draft “experts” had Hughes with a 6th, 7th, or undrafted free agent grade. A league source tells ESPN Cleveland that Hughes would have been selected before the end of the 3rd round if the Browns had not selected him. The source said that Hughes had been fielding calls from multiple teams indicating they would select him with their third round pick. The Browns just pulled the trigger first. General Manager Tom Heckert said that the Browns were ready to select Hughes at #67, but opted to trade back to #87 and acquire another 4th round pick to replace the one they traded to Minnesota to move up and select Trent Richardson. The Browns had to wait a whole hour to find out if their gamble paid off. “To be honest, we were holding our breath there a little bit,” said Heckert. “I was getting a little concerned I shouldn’t have made the trade but it came down to John was still there. I was questioning myself there.” It seems as though Heckert had a right to be concerned. The source also said the New Orleans Saints, who owned the #89 pick in the draft, were going to take Hughes if he was there. The Saints ended up selecting Regina defensive lineman Akiem Hicks, who is almost the exact same size as Hughes. Defensive coordinator Dick Jauron likes to use an eight man rotation on the defensive line. Last year, that rotation included Brian Shaefering and Scott Paxson. After drafting Hughes and then Billy Winn in the sixth round, it looks as though they have made a significant upgrade to the rotation that struggled against the run last season. As all picks, only time will tell whether or not the Hughes was worth a third round selection. If he becomes part of a dominant D-Line, he was most likely worth it. If the line continues to struggle against the run, Heckert will be questioned about the pick for years to come. http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=1019
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So now that we "know" he wouldn't have been available later...
People can start complaining strictly because they didn't pick the guy they wanted them too...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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So now that we "know" he wouldn't have been available later...
People can start complaining strictly because they didn't pick the guy they wanted them too...
The writer using "experts" in quotes sounds a little condescending to me. Unless a team publicly says they were taking him, I could care less about some "source" that may or may not even exist.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this could easily be filed under damage control. If you can manufacture a "source", it's pretty easy to justify anything in the draft isn't it? I'm sure there's a story in Jacksonville this week about someone else wanting to draft a punter in the 3rd. 
Time will tell wether it was a wasted opportunity / pick. At this point, all you can do is debate it.
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So now that we "know" he wouldn't have been available later...
People can start complaining strictly because they didn't pick the guy they wanted them too...
The writer using "experts" in quotes sounds a little condescending to me. Unless a team publicly says they were taking him, I could care less about some "source" that may or may not even exist.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this could easily be filed under damage control. If you can manufacture a "source", it's pretty easy to justify anything in the draft.
Time will tell wether it was a wasted opportunity / pick. At this point, all you can do is debate it.
what FO in their right mind would ever actually state that they had targeted him in the 3rd round but the Browns beat them to the punch?
the Kendall Wright rumors haven't been confirmed by Heckert or Holmgren, right? because why would they say, "well, we were going to take Wright, but he was gone, so we took Weeden" even if it were true.
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If he becomes part of a dominant D-Line, he was most likely worth it. If the line continues to struggle against the run, Heckert will be questioned about the pick for years to come.
So if we become dominant, it's because of this 3rd round pick... and if we struggle, it's because of this 3rd round pick... couldn't have anything to do with the FIRST ROUND PICK from last year......   The guy reached for a dramatic conclusion to his otherwise decent little piece and failed miserably.
Good to know that he was on other teams radar and it wasn't nearly as big of a reach as we were initially led to believe by... the... *clears throat*... experts.
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If several teams were ready to pick him in the 3rd then umm why did he last until pick 87. I guess all the teams that wanted him were like the last 3 or 4 teams in that round lol.
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Uh, that's my point. Since it's a "nothing to see here" approach, a writer can cite a "source" without having to prove anything. As long as it is self serving, writers will do it, especially ones with a vested interest in a team / franchise (which I would think a writer from ESPN Cleveland has). I'm just pointing out that trying to use this as some sort of confirmation that Heckert didn't over reach on the pick doesn't make any sense. The "source" is just as likely to be made up as it is to be real. It came from the players mouth that he didn't even expect to be taken that high. So you're telling me he's "fielding calls from multiple teams indicating they would select him with their third round pick" per the writer and yet he had no clue a team was going to take him? 
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It's no different than draft gurus giving bad grades on drafts because teams didn't take the players where THEY predicted they would be taken.
Of course the Saints will never admit they wanted this guy over the guy from Vagina but its certainly not outside the realm of possibility that they did.
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I don't think writers blatantly make stuff up and lie like that. Now, I do think that they would possibly talk to the players agent, take a quote and run with it.
for instance, in this case, just because he was fielding several calls doesn't mean that a selection was imminent.
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Do teams call a guy multiple picks in advance in the 3rd round and tell them they are going to take them IF they are still available? I wouldn't think so...
All you need is one rogue brother-in-law to tweet "Saints called, they are taking John when they get to pick" and you could have a problem.
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I have always read that teams keep tabs on a bunch of players during the draft. Now, a smart team will keep tabs on players they do not care about as well. Not sure how effective it would be.
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Who gives a rats butt ? This is like reading crap about how nice your suit or car or house is right after you buy it. Trying to make everyone feel better about their purchase. I like the color BLUE and don't give a hoot if everyone else likes RED . Do you REALLY think Tom cares what the perception is around the league with his picks for THIS team ?
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If several teams were ready to pick him in the 3rd then umm why did he last until pick 87. I guess all the teams that wanted him were like the last 3 or 4 teams in that round lol.
UMMMMM the draft didnt end at the end of the third rd. Teams could have picked him at top of 4th, so we moed to spot where we could get him, and added another 4th rdr
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this could easily be filed under damage control.
Really? You think Heckert makes or allows this pick to be made, knowing that it is a bad pick & he or the FO will have to come up with "damage control"?
Then I ask you Why? No FO ever makes a pick they think is bad. You or other so-called experts might not like a certain pick, but that doesn't mean that it is. In fact, they wouldn't have made the pick at all if there was any doubt that he wouldn't be able to come in and do what they expect him to do. Don't know why anybody would think such a thing.
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It came from the players mouth that he didn't even expect to be taken that high.
He said he expected to go in the 4th. He went 8 picks before the 4th. It's not as if he was thinking 6th round and went 2nd.
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If I could get some ON-THE-RECORD verification of this, I'd feel more confident in the pick. Reports like this one are hardly worth the time it took to read them. However, to be fair, I know nothing about this kid. I only know where reports I trust say he was likely to go.
I've seen everything I can on guys like Richardson and Weeden, just as I'd seen everything I could on guys like Rodgers and McCoy. I don't care who says what, they aren't budging me on those opinions. Yet when we're talking about a guy like Hughes, I've no idea what he's about. I can take a wait-and-see attitude until he gets playing this year (if he makes the team ).
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Whenever you see a wide difference between the round a player is and their typical ranking it tells you something.
Normally my range of players is to +100 percent (after the first 15 picks), that generally covers about 98 percent of the players. So yes Weeden and Irvin fall into this category.
There were several head scratchers from the draft. Tavon Wilson going to the Pats in round 2. However we forget that Oliver Vernon, Akeim Hicks and Lamar Holmes were also drafted in the third, and at least they were projected late (6th and 7th) rounders.
Normally head scratchers don't work out, that is my point. Remember Mike Mitchel drafted in the second round by the Raiders a few years ago.
So, I am not a big fan of major reaches, as they normally don't have the impact commensurate with their selection.
That aside, the "Matt Millen Lonely Night Kielbasa Porn Grade" gave me a laugh...
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Normally head scratchers don't work out, that is my point. Remember Mike Mitchel drafted in the second round by the Raiders a few years ago.
Shortly after the draft, a story came out that if the Raiders didn't draft him in the second, the Bears were going to... wouldn't be surprised if these teams just have a "got your back" kind of agreement on these reaches.
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[Much of the time one of our DT lines up at NT, usually the LDT (Taylor). He was drafted to be a role player and even though his pass rushing skills are limited and must be developed, I don't think that is what we wanted or thought we were getting with him, but he did have 5 sacks, so he probably can push the pocket to allow others to penetrate and get some sacks.
Are you talking about Phil Taylor or Hughes?
I hold a high opinion of Phil Taylor. He is the best Dl they have drafted since 99, as good as any Dl they have drafted since 99, with the exception of Gerrard Warren maybe.
( Oops, I always forget Rubin was drafted because he was drafted in the 6th in a year with no 1st,2nd or 3rd. )
Phil Taylor is the total package at DT and is as good as Rubin or Warren, and better than most dl in the league. I expect Taylor to make the pro bowl this year. Even if they don't play the game. They'll still vote for the accolade.
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