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I assume that means Sanford and Paxson are likely cuts...what about Schaefering?
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Well, we'll keep at least 4 but maybe 5 DTs. Definitely Rubin, Taylor, and Hughes. My guess would be, barring a big event on injury, that we also keep Schaefering. Wouldn't be surprising to me if both Paxson and Sanford are cut, especially if they keep Winn on the roster since he's kind of a DE/DT 'tweener. Although, I think Schaefering and Paxson are probably about equal value and wouldn't be surprised at either one being the guy that sticks.
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Vagueries of perception being what they are, it seemed to me that Paxson made some plays when he was in the game. I'm not going to call him a keeper, but it just seemed that when I looked at him he was doing something good.
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I liked Schaefering - hard worker, smart. Mangini guy. He may just not have the talent to stick, however.
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I think I heard a couple of years ago that someone believed Schaerfering to have the quickest first-step of all our D lineman - not last year but the year before. I think he could play a little at DE.
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Rucker-Parker-Taylor-Rubin-Hughes-Schaefering-Winn-Sheard
(3) solid DTs...(2) solid DEs...(1) solid-in-the-recent-past DE...and (2) tweener types
Could be good.
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hopefully someone besides Sheard can rush the passer.
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Benard?
Otherwise, we got nothing.
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That's what I fear, too. The above list of 8 DL didn't include Benard.
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I could see Parker-Schaefering-Benard fighting for two spots.
If Winn is thought of as a DT, it could be Benard with Parker.
If Winn is thought of as a DE, it could be Schaefering with Parker.
Unless Parker's got nothing left.
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That's what I fear, too. The above list of 8 DL didn't include Benard.
I think a Rucker/Parker combo could get 6-9 sacks...maybe?
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That's what I fear, too. The above list of 8 DL didn't include Benard.
I think a Rucker/Parker combo could get 6-9 sacks...maybe?
Rucker, maybe 3 or 4. Parker, 0 or 1.
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Parker was a really good pass rusher before the Eagles went to that wide 9 defense of theirs. Maybe he just didn't have the raw speed to work from that distance, but can still be effective in a more traditional defensive alignment.
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Parker was a really good pass rusher before the Eagles went to that wide 9 defense of theirs. Maybe he just didn't have the raw speed to work from that distance, but can still be effective in a more traditional defensive alignment.
yep, he averaged 6sacks/year over 5 years in part-time duty (with no year below 5 sacks). it's possible his game fell off a cliff (he is 33yo), but I'm hoping it was the scheme change and we can squeeze another part-time 6sack year out of him.
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also of note Juqua scored 2 TDs last year. that would put him tied for 4th on our team in 2011 for most TDs scored (man, that is pathetic - especially since noone had more than 4)
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also of note Juqua scored 2 TDs last year. that would put him tied for 4th on our team in 2011 for most TDs scored (man, that is pathetic - especially since noone had more than 4)
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also of note Juqua scored 2 TDs last year. that would put him tied for 4th on our team in 2011 for most TDs scored (man, that is pathetic - especially since noone had more than 4)
Screw sacks, put the guy at receiver!
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Screw sacks, put the guy at receiver!
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What about, I think the guy's name is Stephens? He seemed like he was really coming on just before he got hurt. Might be good comp.
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What about, I think the guy's name is Stephens? He seemed like he was really coming on just before he got hurt. Might be good comp.
To be honest, I forgot about him. I don't think he beats out the 8 I mentioned above...if he does, that would be a bonus.
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11 new orange helmets: Did Browns reach with Hughes at No. 3 ? By Steve Doerschuk CantonRep.com staff writer Posted May 08, 2012 @ 11:12 PM If one puts much stock in NFL Draft Scout — The Cleveland Plain Dealer burned two full draft-week pages on the service’s projections — the Browns’ third- and fourth-round picks are utterly shocking. Wide receiver Travis Benjamin, picked by Cleveland at No. 100 overall, was Draft Scout’s 523rd-ranked player. That was Round 4. The player the Browns plucked in Round 3, at No. 87, was even nearer the bottom of the 750-player list. Draft Scout pegged defensive lineman John Hughes at No. 534. Pro Football Weekly wasn’t as dismissive of Hughes, but close. Draft Scout pegged Hughes as the 38th-best defensive tackle available. For PFW, Hughes was No. 33. PFW’s Nolan Nawrocki erased Hughes as a potential steal with this blunt summary: “Plodding, clogging, two-down nose tackle with limited upside. Could compete for a reserve job, but is the type you look to replace.” Even evaluators with a rooting interest didn’t dream that Hughes was Round 3 material. “Bearcats Nation,” which caters to Cincinnati football fans, said: “One of the primary differences between John Hughes and Derek Wolfe isn’t in size or mentality but the fact that regardless of the situation, Wolfe never stopped playing.” Wolfe, who played alongside Hughes in Cincinnati’s trenches, was drafted by the Broncos at No. 36 overall, one spot before the Browns pounced on offensive tackle Mitchell Schwartz. Going on about Hughes, Bearcats Nation said: “The biggest knock was that he sometimes didn’t run plays out or displayed a different — and sometimes worse — technique play to play.” And then a little sunshine: “The good thing is that Hughes is physically ready to perform at the next level, and NFL coaches don’t tend to shy away from a player who doesn’t exert effort 100 percent of the time. It gives them an excuse to chew someone out in practice.” Bearcats Nation concluded that Hughes would be drafted in Round 6 or Round 7, possibly by Pittsburgh. The Browns concluded — in Round 3 — that Hughes was the next big project for veteran defensive line coach Dwaine “Pee Wee” Board. Even Cincinnati head coach Butch Jones projected Hughes as draft-shaky. “After about Game 4,” Jones said in mid-April, “John really came on. He’s worked his way into position to possibly be drafted.” Someone was terribly wrong about Hughes. Naturally, general manager Tom Heckert is convinced it is not him. “John is a big, powerful, tough guy,” Heckert said. “I think he’s really good.
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Call me cynical, but I expect this pick to be a bust until he proves me wrong.
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We should just trade all 3rd round picks. I can't remember the last one that actually worked out for us. I agree, this one has all the makings of another travis Wilson reach.
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We should just trade all 3rd round picks. I can't remember the last one that actually worked out for us. I agree, this one has all the makings of another travis Wilson reach.
Wasn't McCutcheon a third rounder? He was alright.
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We should just trade all 3rd round picks. I can't remember the last one that actually worked out for us. I agree, this one has all the makings of another travis Wilson reach.
Could of had Brandon Marshall for 2 of them. 
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Call me cynical, but I expect this pick to be a bust until he proves me wrong.
I'll think just the opposite until he
proves me wrong. Meaning I'm willing to hedge my bets that Heckert is right until Hughes proves him wrong.
Hughes is no longer the biggest kid on the play ground. If he isn't able to follow the program, then those bigger dudes (he is expected to spell) won't be happy with him. 
When you draft a prospect in the 3rd round, then they are a pretty good lock to take one of the 53 man roster slots that year and they will be counted on, over someone who is not going to be so fortunate to get one of those slots reserved for a DL. He's one who will need to play.
I think that we will get a look at Hughes fairly early and we'll just have to see how he performs and progresses. If he does what he was brought here to do, then were he was taken in the Draft will be a forgotten topic of discussion.
I'm hoping that all of the criticism puts a chip on his shoulders and he'll want to prove them wrong ... that's been done every year with this same talking head.
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You're right, and that was '99.
I tried to think as far back as I could off the top of my head:
2012 - Hughes
2011 - None
2010 - Lavao - may work out, but undetermined; McCoy - likely not working out
2009 - None
2008 - None
2007 - None
2006 - Wilson (ugh)
2005 - Frye (ugh)
2004 (this is where I had to start using Wikipedia) - None
2003 - Cris Crocker (meh)
2002 - Melvin Fowler (not really)
2001 - James Jackson (nope)
2000 - Travis Prentice (blecch!)
1999 - Daylon McCutcheon (probably the best so far)
So yeah, Mourg is right. When we do have a 3rd round pick, we do seemingly waste it (Lavao pending). Like I said, I expect no differently with Hughes until he proves me wrong.
Most who are optimistic about this pick have to be honest, you really needed to dig to find reasons to be optimistic about this pick.
I feel like this draft has really good potential despite this pick, so I won't completely hold it against Heckert if it doesn't work out. However, if he does somehow manage to hit on this one, I'll trust him a hell of a lot more because he sure must have a better eye than a hell of a lot of other people in his position.
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You can certainly make a good case for it, but so far Heckert has made two 3rd round selections with one traded and the first one was a starter last season over guys on the squad who have started in this League. I'm not as down on Lauvao as most seem to be, he just needs to get his head around it and I think he can do a good job with the tools he brings to the table. Remember the 2nd round WR jix? Enter Greg Little.  jix
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lol I forgot Cutch and Lauvao. Loved Cutch and I really like Lauvao. I really don't have any expectations for this kid but I will be cheering for him and rooting for him all the way. Funny thing is that 90% of the 3rd round picks were head scratchers this year.
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I think the 3rd round is a tough round to draft.
All of the elite and really good players are gone and now you are at the point you start to see some swings between the teams on who should be ranked where, and you end up with some head scratchers that could be called a reach.
Obviously Heck likes this guy, so I have to give him some credit for sticking with his board, and you just never know who else liked this guy and may have selected him a few picks later....at least before our next pick in the 4th.
My personal feeling is this was a Dick Jauron pick. Going in to the draft he was told he wasn't going to get much help unless things turned totally upside down on how the draft unfolded and Heck asked him if he could only have 1 player, what position do you need most. My guess is he needed a tackle to spell Abatha and Taylor, and this was the guy he liked. He saw a guy who played like our starters, thick and hard to move.
In a rotation, I think Hughes is going to do well. We won't miss a beat, and that is what Jauron wanted. He doesn't want to have to change the way he plays the D when one of our starting DT's leaves the game.
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If it makes anyone feel better.. Hughes has a higher rating on NCAA Football 12' than Wolfe..
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Hughes has a higher rating on NCAA Football 12' than Wolfe..
Winning!
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Hughes has a higher rating on NCAA Football 12' than Wolfe..
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Hughes has a higher rating on NCAA Football 12' than Wolfe..
Sold!
Umm ..... what's NCAA Football 12'? 
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I feel that the QB position is vitally important in today's NFL. I still wish that we could have managed to get RG3. However, we upgraded the position yesterday, and that's pretty good for me.
I wonder how Seaghag fans feel about them spending a 3rd round pick on a guy who barely scrapes 5'10"? I love Wilson's game, and if we were going to go with a late round backup QB, he would have been my guy ...... but he's almost certainly not going to beat the odds and make it as a super short NFL starting QB.
The Jags drafted a punter. 
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The panic was at an all time high when we took Hughes in the third round (that moment was surpassed when we hired Lombardi). Hughes turned out to be at least a rotational defensive tackle.
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37. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California: C+ Grade
There were three receivers worth taking here, so the Browns selected... a right tackle? What? I like Mitchell Schwartz; he projects as a decent pro. But who the hell is Brandon Weeden going to throw to? And what about Cordy Glenn and Jonathan Martin?
Richardson needs some protection on that right side, so does Weeden. Oneil Cousins doesn't fit the bill. We had to get a starting RT, and obviously this is the guy we prefer
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I mocked John Hughes in the seventh round. He wasn't above No. 249 on any major big board. He doesn't even fill a need. This is a terrible selection.
On whose big board? What is a "Major" big board. Have you really put much time into scouting John Hughes Walter? Or are you just following these "major big boards" made by a bunch of HACKS.
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I feel that the QB position is vitally important in today's NFL. I still wish that we could have managed to get RG3. However, we upgraded the position yesterday, and that's pretty good for me.
I wonder how Seaghag fans feel about them spending a 3rd round pick on a guy who barely scrapes 5'10"? I love Wilson's game, and if we were going to go with a late round backup QB, he would have been my guy ...... but he's almost certainly not going to beat the odds and make it as a super short NFL starting QB.
The Jags drafted a punter.
I'm sure that there are plenty of teams whose fans are scratching their heads tonight.
Well ..... we can't all alway be right, can we?
I still wouldn't go all gaga for every 5'10" QB though. Wilson is one heck of an exception.
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