Are you really that dense ? Trying to tell me that a coach can't find a spot for a play maker ( third down , change of pace back / Pr / Kr / slot receiver and so on . Chris is all of those .. You really fit in with this FO & Coaching staff
I'm the dense one? We just selected a running back third overall who doesn't leave the field. And if he does leave the field we already have guys who can fill in. We also have a kick returner. And a slot receiver.
I can't believe I'm arguing about a 5th round pick.
I'm watching USC at Colorado. Miller looks like a solid player. Playing RG but just got moved to RT with 6 min left in 4th Q. Strong guy, looks good when engaged in running game but kind of lost when blocking downfield (can't find someone to block.) Pass protects well... I like the pick.
Steelers look like they got a good pick in the seventh with the Colorado WR Clemons. Cincy picked up Colorado's QB Hansen and RB Stewart as UDFAs. Hansen made some nice passes downfield and has really good running ability, but turns into Chuck Knoblauch on screens. Stewart looks like a really good player, though. Nice pickup for the Bengals.
Robert Woods doesn't look like anything special in this game. Racking up yardage but isn't doing anything special. He does seem to have good speed.
Love this pick, Solid player, big strong average feet and should only get better technique wise in the NFL, I think we got a steal in this guy, add in a Schwartz and to me we struck gold in our O-line picks, Our Depth just got better, cant wait to see these players start to work together.
Love this pick too.. these are the guys that 4 years from now are the anchor to your OL and people wonder where they came from..... late round guards, I'd take one almost every year.
This is a great pick for O-Line depth, gives us a big physical presence on the line. Instead of the 6'3" 315 or Pinkston 6'3" 305... we got a guy who is 6'7 and 320 and considered one of the best guards in his class. Realistically, he could compete to take that RG spot.
Quote: This is a great pick for O-Line depth, gives us a big physical presence on the line. Instead of the 6'3" 315 or Pinkston 6'3" 305... we got a guy who is 6'7 and 320 and considered one of the best guards in his class. Realistically, he could compete to take that RG spot.
I agree, I love this selection. Big Mean and Nasty and made few mental mistakes at Colorado. I think he only was credited with allowing 3 sack the past two seasons.
Maybe not at the start of the year, but I could see Ryan Miller starting at some point. Personally I like to see that happen. I think our young Guards are serviceable, but this guy is a freak at his size, because he bends so well and should have a big leverage advantage over shorter DT's.
I'm thrilled to finally get our RT with Schwartz, but I never thought we would use a 5th round pick or higher on another OL in this Draft. I thought perhaps with one of our Comp picks in the 6th or 7th round maybe, but this is more then I hope for with Miller and his potential. Many starting OG's in the League where drafted in the 3-5 round range. That's typically where you target them.
Quote: I think that will be the case. I like McCoy, but he is what he is. I tried to give him as much slack as possible, and still believe he could be better this year than last. But, a guy like Weeden with a big arm and accuracy, plus a Trent Richardson behind him, puts this offense back on the map.
I think this kid has a good chance to replace lavoue(spelling wrong i know) as a starter. This kid is a mauler and plays with a mean streak. I think heckert might of found a late round gem with this kid.
He is really tall for Guard at the NFL level, other than as a backup. Unless he gets way lower than almost any man that tall that I have ever seen, he would stand little chance of being effective as an interior player, where getting a low center of gravity, and maintaining a solid base is vital.
Eris Steinbach was a very tall Guard, but he was a rarity.
I hate to say it, but I think that his future in the NFL is one like a St Clair, Cousins type ....... good enough to help a team short term, but a guy who the team is always trying to upgrade. He'll find a job in the NFL, but he'll probably have 5 or 6 different teams before he's done.
JMHO.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Miller is said to have a good ability to bend and get low for a tall man and that gives him excellent leverage. I can see him starting at some point for us at either guard position if things don't progress the way we'd hope they would.
Lauvao is more athletic then Pinkston, but has been prone to mental lapses.
Pinkston needs to get stronger, but like Miller he has a nasty side. At any rate Miller will add a measure of competition for those positions and that's never a bad thing to have.
I see him as a perpetual "tweener" type, who will play here for a while, and maybe even start a game or 2 .... then will move on to a few other teams before he's done.
No biggie .... just a difference of opinion.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I heard Miller being interviewed by Vic Carucci on 'KNR yesterday, and he said one of his coaches at Colorado - an ex-Browns coach whose name escapes me - stressed being a knee-bender instead of a waist-bender, and that as a result he was able to play with the leverage of a guy around 6-2. He also said that he wrestled in high school which taught him about leverage in general and hand-fighting in particular. He sounded like a very bright kid, also very committed.
I didnt hear the interview but i read about it and from what i can gather he has a bit of a mean streak and is gunning for a starting spot. Works for me.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
I don't want to be misunderstood here ...... he should be fighting for a starting job, because I don't want any player who is happy and satisfied being a backup. I want players who are constantly trying to improve themselves, and to make quality starters out of themselves.
We'll see what happens with Miller. I don't think that he'll wind up being a full time starter at Guard. I do think that he could stand a great chance of being active on gamedays as he could play a swing tackle/guard.
I don't see the Browns going with an all rookie right side of the OL after fighting through rookie struggles last year. They will already have a rookie at RT no matter what else happens. I don't expect to see any other changes on the OL this year.(barring injury)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I'm hoping Miller either pushes Lauvao or Pinkston to perform at a higher level or he makes a starting gig his own. He looks impressive - strong, athletic, mean and a good finisher. He comes out of his stance really fluidly and quickly for such a big dude. I really liked the pick.
Regardless, he adds quality depth at a minimum and for all the Heckert naysayers - he is building our roster, in my opinion, the correct way.
Quote: I see him as a perpetual "tweener" type, who will play here for a while, and maybe even start a game or 2 .... then will move on to a few other teams before he's done.
No biggie .... just a difference of opinion.
This time of year I like to think positive, so with this guy I think Ryan Tucker.
I think he could move inside and play.
I like the fact it looks like we have some pretty decent, developing linemen who are going to make for tough decisions on who makes the team and then, who plays.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Quote: I heard Miller being interviewed by Vic Carucci on 'KNR yesterday, and he said one of his coaches at Colorado - an ex-Browns coach whose name escapes me - stressed being a knee-bender instead of a waist-bender, and that as a result he was able to play with the leverage of a guy around 6-2. He also said that he wrestled in high school which taught him about leverage in general and hand-fighting in particular. He sounded like a very bright kid, also very committed.
That would have been Howard Mudd who was with the Browns in the 70's and 80's. He wanted tall knee benders all along the O-line and with the exception of our centers that's what we had.
That offensive line of that era had Dieken (6-6) at LT, Tom Deleone (6-2) at C, Robert E Jackson (6-5), Henry Sheppard (6-6), and Cody Risien (6-7). I think Risien played RT, which means our 2 Guards were 6-5 and 6-6. It was a helluva OL - the Pruitts (and Cleo Miller) ran wild, and Brian Sipe was very well protected.
YT...you see video of Miller? He not a long legged 6-7..but rather thick, with shorter legs than one might expect to see on a lineman who is listed at 6-7.
He doesn't get pushed back very much, shows a lot of raw strength and eagerness to initiate contact.
If the guy can play LG as well as RG, either Lauvao OR Pinkston's job could be up for grabs. Neither guard really put their "stamp" on it and both guys are backups on most other NFL teams IMO. Pinkston's going to "Camp LeCharles Bentley" and we will see how that affects his play. Considering the spike in production players who have gone to Bentley's camps have had, I hope Pinkston shows considerable improvement next year.
Lauvao plays lazy, I don't know if it's mental or not but he certainly seems to take a breather on some plays. I've never been a fan of his to be honest, he's underwhelmed as a starter.
One thing about Miller, at least from that video, you don't really see him get "low" and as a taller guy (I'm 6'4") I know it's hard for tall guys to "get low" but he's quick and with his positioning he didn't let many people get past him and he pretty much manhandled the pass rush.
I don't know, like someone said up thread, you want guys who want to be starters, who want to continually better themselves, and Miller at worst gives us depth on OL we did not have last year, at best, he could be a spot starter (like Lauvao, I see Lauvao as a spot starter as opposed to a full time starter) or maybe grow into a permanent starting role. Camp and pre-season will tell that story.
I definitely see Miller as a guy who can be a quality backup/swing G/T. He seems like a guy who wants it, and will work his butt off to succeed, and that often goes a long way towards success for a player.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: With TR, Obi is as good as gone, unless Hardesty visits the IR again
TR-Hardesty-Jackson is the depth chart
I don't understand this. Why is Brandon Jackson so secure in his roster spot? What's the proof? ( Where's the beef! ) Jackson has just as much chance to be let go as the other two.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
I have a feeling that Jackson will be brought back to help on 3rd downs. Hell, they could use a pro set with Richardson and Jackson on 3rd down and have a credible blocker and receiver at both the RB and FB spot.
I think that final spot could come down to a decision between Hardesty and Ogbonnaya. (and maybe even a 3rd RB candidate) Armond Smith might enter the conversation, but I really don't know if he has a chance. He does have that one thing you can't teach though ..... speed.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
He is really tall for Guard at the NFL level, other than as a backup. Unless he gets way lower than almost any man that tall that I have ever seen, he would stand little chance of being effective as an interior player, where getting a low center of gravity, and maintaining a solid base is vital.
Eris Steinbach was a very tall Guard, but he was a rarity.
I hate to say it, but I think that his future in the NFL is one like a St Clair, Cousins type ....... good enough to help a team short term, but a guy who the team is always trying to upgrade. He'll find a job in the NFL, but he'll probably have 5 or 6 different teams before he's done.
JMHO.
And you are basing this on what, his height alone? I am willing to be you didn't even know who this guy was a month ago, and you are making statements like this, like you have been scouting him for a couple of years.
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Actually it's based on what I have read about him online, as well as my own beliefs about what makes for a successful G/T.
Shurmur has said that he is a Guard in a Tackle body. He could be a great player, and I hope that he will be, but if I had to bet, I would bet on him being more of a journeyman/swing G/T than anything else.
I have also read a couple of articles that agree with my premise that he may be too much of a "tweener" to ever find long term success with a team, but that he will have a decent NFL career as a fill in type for a number of teams.
I doubt that most of us have watched a ton of Buffalo games to scout him, and have arrived at our opinions solely through first hand observations.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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