I am extremely happy with this draft so far ... and we still have a pair of 7th rounders to go.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I think we got some players today. I think that a lot of these guys make the team.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: We need depth at those two spots so they have a shot at making the team..........would help them both alot it they play well on STs.
Dispite the lack of receivers, I like this draft..I've had Acho in my mocks..Winn is a surprise,as I thought he'd go in the 3rd..and he's more of DT than a DE..
It's a mixed bag for me. I love the Schwartz pick, like and understand the TRich picks, and think we had a pretty solid day today. However, I think we reached badly for Weeden, and it's never a good sign when Mayock is scrambling to find something on the kid we picked in the 3rd..lol. They were all like WTF and looking at Mike to help them out.
Weeden is the key to these guys futures. If he doesn't adjust quickly I don't see us winning enough games for these people to keep their jobs......oh and if he busts we are set back yet again for another five years.
We shall see..
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
1) Isn't Skip from Oklahoma? I know either there or Texas. He must have alligences somewhere, although I was explained by a friend from OK that State fans and OU fans don't like the same teams.
2) I think they were reviewing Skip's draft prospect record on Thursday and it was actually pretty damn good. At least with the 1st round. Guys he said were gonna be bad, have failed, and guys he said would be good have turned out good.
Quote: I know this thread is about the 6th round, but we are currently on the clock in round seven.
Eagles took Jordan White, a guy I kinda wanted. Definitely in the 7th round.
Travin Wade out of Arizona. NFL.com gives him an 82.5 grade, yet he falls to the late 7th round! lol
"Strengths Wade possesses many key traits that cover corners need to succeed at the next level, including height, hip mobility, fluidity in his backpedal and an understanding of how to play the line of scrimmage to disrupt route timing.
Weaknesses Wade has consistency issues after an entire junior year of getting beat up and down the field and looking uninspired in his play. Teams will bank on getting the player who had a strong sophomore campaign and decent senior year, but he can't afford to take plays off or perform the way he did in his junior year, when he was an entirely different and undraftable player. "
Quote: We took Trevin Wade, CB, Arizona. He seems to be rated pretty high some places.
Not knocking Wade, but the point that these guys have him rated as a 2nd round pick and no one takes him till the comp 7th shows that these places are often full of it and regurgitate each other's garbage.
I definitely hope he is a good player, but this goes to show that these sites which rip Hughes, don't necessarily have any idea of what they're talking about
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: [ I love Weeden as a player, but because of age I wouldn't have touched him in the top 50.
1, He'd be gone. 2. He's younger than David Garrard or Matt Schaub. Would their age be a reason to not give them an opportunity? Yes they have time in the NFL already and Weeden does not, but there is a percentage chance Weeden will be as productive in his first couple years as some other qb's would be even after a few years in the league.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
B Weeden, 28, oct14 1983 M Cassell, 29, May 17 1982 Carson Palmer, 32, dec 27, 1979 eli Manning, 31, January 3 1981 Matt Schaub, 30 june 25, 1981 kyle orton, 29, nov 14, 1982 alex smith, 28, may 7 1984
Drew brees 33, january 15, 1979 Matt Ryan, 26, may 17, 1985 Mark Sanchez, 25, nov 11 1986 Matt Moore, 27 august 9 1984 Jason Campbell 30, dec 31 1981 Matt hassellbeck, 36, sept 25 1975 Matt Flynn 26, June 20, 1985
Tony romo, 32, April 21 1980 Vince Young 28 May 18, 1983 Michael Vick, 31, June 26 1980 Kevin Kolb, 27, august 24, 1984
Tarvaris Jackson 29, april 21, 1983 Josh Freeman, 24, january 13, 1988 Dan Orlovsky 28, august 18, 1983 Josh Johnson 28, January 31 1984
Byron leftwich? Ryan Fitzpatrick 29, Nov 24, 1982 Mathew Stafford 24, Feb 7 1988 Drew Stanton, 28, May 7 1984
Rex Grossman 31, august 23 1980 Brett Ratliff, 26, August 8, 1985 Ben Rothlisburger, 30 march 2 1982
Joe Flacco, 27, January 16 1985 Andy Dalton 24, Oct 29 1987 David Garrard, 34, Feb 14 1978 Jay Cutler, 29 april 29 1983 Josh McCown, 32, July 4 1979
Weeden is not "old", he was just drafted late.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
What jumps off that list is Stafford- he's just 24 years old and is really coming along nicely. Detroit has a franchise QB for the next decade plus....
Quote: What jumps off that list is Stafford- he's just 24 years old and is really coming along nicely. Detroit has a franchise QB for the next decade plus....
Quote: B Weeden, 28, oct14 1983 M Cassell, 29, May 17 1982 Carson Palmer, 32, dec 27, 1979 eli Manning, 31, January 3 1981 Matt Schaub, 30 june 25, 1981 kyle orton, 29, nov 14, 1982 alex smith, 28, may 7 1984
Drew brees 33, january 15, 1979 Matt Ryan, 26, may 17, 1985 Mark Sanchez, 25, nov 11 1986 Matt Moore, 27 august 9 1984 Jason Campbell 30, dec 31 1981 Matt hassellbeck, 36, sept 25 1975 Matt Flynn 26, June 20, 1985
Tony romo, 32, April 21 1980 Vince Young 28 May 18, 1983 Michael Vick, 31, June 26 1980 Kevin Kolb, 27, august 24, 1984
Tarvaris Jackson 29, april 21, 1983 Josh Freeman, 24, january 13, 1988 Dan Orlovsky 28, august 18, 1983 Josh Johnson 28, January 31 1984
Byron leftwich? Ryan Fitzpatrick 29, Nov 24, 1982 Mathew Stafford 24, Feb 7 1988 Drew Stanton, 28, May 7 1984
Rex Grossman 31, august 23 1980 Brett Ratliff, 26, August 8, 1985 Ben Rothlisburger, 30 march 2 1982
Joe Flacco, 27, January 16 1985 Andy Dalton 24, Oct 29 1987 David Garrard, 34, Feb 14 1978 Jay Cutler, 29 april 29 1983 Josh McCown, 32, July 4 1979
Weeden is not "old", he was just drafted late.
How many of those guys would you trade a first round pick for? And of the few you'd trade a first for, how many of those already have a proven track record of success in the NFL? I'd trade a first for Manning, Schaub, and Brees. I have no idea what the future holds, but right now, Weeden can't hold those guys' jocks.
Browns report: Change of heart in high school led Billy Winn on path to the NFL
By Ryan Lewis Beacon Journal sports writer Published: May 7, 2012 - 11:31 PM | Updated: May 8, 2012 - 11:54 AM browns08cut_01 Arizona State quarterback Brock Osweiler (17) is sacked by Boise State defensive tackle Billy Winn (90) in the fourth quarter of the Maaco Bowl Dec. 22, 2011, in Las Vegas. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson) View Larger Version >>
Sitting out most of his sophomore season in high school due to academic ineligibility, Billy Winn wasn’t yet aware of his capabilities in football.
That’s the sentiment of Chris Faircloth, Winn’s former coach at Las Vegas High School.
“I don’t know how much his grades and football meant to him, he was just kinda happy coming to school and going through life,” Faircloth said. “He was just playing a sport to play a sport. He was this gifted athlete and was already a big kid, so people expected him to do it.”
Winn allowed his grade-point average to dip below a 2.0 and missed the first three quarters of his sophomore season. Faircloth wasn’t sure if he would even come back to football, but he saw in Winn the size, athleticism and potential to play Division I football, if not more. He and his coaches pleaded with Winn to return.
“We wanted him to understand he had a future in the sport and could be a special player if he got that part of his life [his grades] together,” Faircloth said. “If he could start to work hard, he had the makings of a really special kid.”
Winn, who was selected in the sixth round of the NFL Draft by the Browns, was surrounded with self-doubt, never realizing the attention he could garner from big-time programs. Then he began to watch his teammates graduate and go on to play college football. Then he began to talk to college coaches who came to see one of his teammates but saw Winn and asked about him, too.
Somewhere along the line before his junior season, as Faircloth said, something clicked.
“He saw the other kids going to college and bought into what they were doing to get there,” Faircloth said. “He figured out that he could be like them and be special. As much as anything, he fed into that.”
The transformation of confidence turned Winn’s work ethic around.
“Once he figured out he could do something, he was a lights-out student and he was always in the weight room,” Faircloth said. “He busted his tail and certainly wasn’t the same kid as before. As a sophomore, he wasn’t even close to having self-belief. His motivation set off the success of the program.”
With a new outlook, Winn led Las Vegas High to back-to-back state championships in his final two years and as a junior set a record at the Vegas Open Weightlifting competition with a power clean of 335 pounds.
He was then picked up by Boise State, where he started 41 games at defensive tackle and earned second-team All-Western Athletic Conference honors three years in a row. In those three seasons, he averaged 35.3 tackles, 10 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks per year.
Entering the NFL Draft, Winn received a third-round grade by most scouting agencies but wasn’t taken until the sixth round (No. 205 overall).
Injury concerns (ankle and foot) were the probable cause for Winn’s plummet down draft boards. Coach Pat Shurmur said the Browns were comfortable enough with his history to take him.
“We were glad that [Winn] was still there. We had a high grade on him,” Shurmur said. “Some teams may have had some medical concerns, which we went through and we were OK with so we feel good about him as a defensive lineman.”
Faircloth is certain there weren’t any other concerns contributing to Winn’s draft stock falling.
“Injuries are the only thing I can think of,” he said. “It’s not a character thing, that’s for sure. And it’s not an athleticism thing. As he was falling, injury concerns were my only fault.”
Faircloth knows probably as well as anyone that Winn’s character is genuine. He’s seen both sides of it and watched a young man begin to believe in himself.
“I just don’t think he had any idea of how special he could be when he was a freshman and sophomore in high school,” Faircloth said. “He had some serious self-doubt but he’s certainly not short on confidence now. He just turned into a different kid and worked as hard as anyone after that. He’s going to make the most of his situation.” web page
I really like this kid and had a late 2nd early 3rd grade on him. I do believe he can slim down and become a surprise defense end prospect for us. I know most have talked about him being a DT, but I think he could lose 20lbs and be something special.
I don't think that his path is unique in any way or if he can lose 20lbs and become a DE, but stranger things have happened. I think of him like we got another 3rd round pick this year. Though I wouldn't call him a shoe in to make the finale cuts. I'll say that Winn has about a 98% chance to stick with us and become a part of our DL rotation.
If Acho can be close to what his brother Sam is, then I think that we could have struck gold with both of our 6th/7th round Comp. picks.
I can't remember the last time I was so excited over one of our 6th round selections. (With Mitchell I was sure we where getting an intriguing project)
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