|
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433
Hall of Famer
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433 |
Quote:
Do people actually still think baseball needs a salary cap? Have a well run organization and you win (Rays). Have a poorly run organization and you lose (Mets, Dodgers).
There's always an exception to the rule.
Why can't the MLB have a hard cap like the NFL or NHL?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027 |
The union is too powerful. They tried once before and it blew up in their face.
It's a garbage league.
And yes, I blame the Dolans. MLB is to blame as well. There is unfair balance in the league, and the Dolans use that as a crutch to nickel and dime this team by bringing in stiffs like Casey freaking Kotchman. So much for "trying" to win.
Garbage league.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027 |
Aaron Cunningham, really?
You want me to show up to the ball park because you have Aaron Cunningham?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Legend
|
|
OP
Legend
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413 |
Because every team makes a ton of money?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433 |
Yet teams like The Jags, Blue Jackets, and other survive in such a league.
Tampa Bay is one of the few exceptions in the payroll argument.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Quote:
So is it time to call this Ubaldo trade a bust. What a friggen head case.
It's going to go down as one of the worst trades ever, if Pomeranz continues to develop. He's looking better each start with the Rockies.
I didn't like it when we did it, but I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, Jimenez is done. I have more confidence in Carmona-Hernandez than Jimenez. We were fleeced in this trade.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,399 |
Quote:
Do people actually still think baseball needs a salary cap?
Yes.
yebat' Putin
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882 |
Worst trade ever? Ha ha ha....ok
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/Punchsmack/punch.gif) “...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850 |
Quote:
Quote:
So is it time to call this Ubaldo trade a bust. What a friggen head case.
It's going to go down as one of the worst trades ever, if Pomeranz continues to develop. He's looking better each start with the Rockies.
I didn't like it when we did it, but I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, Jimenez is done. I have more confidence in Carmona-Hernandez than Jimenez. We were fleeced in this trade.
I don't understand Jiminez this year. Last year, it made sense. He had nearly the same peripherals, but his fastball not moving caused him to struggle a bit more than his peripherals would have suggested.
This year he has been a complete mess. Fastball speed is down more, no control over the breaking stuff, walks too many batters, doesn't strike people out, and gets hit hard.
Either he is playing hurt or he has cracked. Hopefully, he's playing hurt.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521 |
Not to sound like an apologist, because frankly I don't really care either way, but it's got to be tough watching your defense play like they're in tee-ball and allow a bunch of runs to score, knowing that they're incapable of getting them back on offense. The Indians simply can't hit, which means they can't score. Starting pitcher gives up three runs? Might as well call it a day.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850 |
I am completely offended by that comment.
the teeball team I coach plays much better defense than that
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,448
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,448 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Quote:
Worst trade ever? Ha ha ha....ok
I said "one of the worst trades ever." One of many, perhaps.
from ESPN Stats and Information:
"Tuesday night may be the night where it became clear Ubaldo Jimenez is not the pitcher he was in 2010. Jimenez did not generate a SINGLE Swing & miss until his 92nd pitch. He recorded a career-low 1 strikeout, and tied a career-high with 6 walks. As you can see, this follows the trend - his fastball velocity is well below what it was, and his strikeout rate has gone with it.
Ubaldo Jimenez
Fastball Velocity & Strikeout Rate, Last 3 Seasons
Avg FB (mph) Overall K Rate
2012 91.8 10.5%
2011 93.2 21.9%
2010 95.9 23.9%
*Tied career-low with 1 strikeout on Tuesday"
Link
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Legend
|
|
OP
Legend
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413 |
Why would the Rockies want to trade him when he has very favorable contract for the prime of his career?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027 |
Quote:
Why would the Rockies want to trade him when he has very favorable contract for the prime of his career?
That's what I was thinking about last night.
Bad move. Even worse if Pomeranz or White turns into a stud pitcher that we could have had for a few years before we traded them for prospects.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Pomeranz pitching right now. So far blanking the dodgers. Only second inning, but already 3 strikeouts, no hits, one walk (to Kemp).
For people clinging to the hope that he's going to suck, his first start this year was horrible. Since then, he's been better each game.
Game 1 - 4.1 innings, 5 ER
Game 2 - 5.0 innings, 2 ER
Game 3 - 4.0 innings, 1 ER (He left the game early due to forearm stiffness)
Pomeranz is going to be a solid starter at worst, a cy young competitor at best.
I'd rescind this trade yesterday, if we could.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850 |
Detroit lost today
....to the Royals
....when Verlander was pitching
....against J.Sanchez
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Continuing the Pomeranz watch.
Today vs. Dodgers 6.2 IP, 1 ER, 5 SO. He also had a hit and a sacrifice while batting. He's batting .500 on the season, just to rub it in.
Last edited by Haras; 05/02/12 05:14 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027 |
He's a better hitter than Kotchman. SMH.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,577
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,577 |
Quote:
It's a garbage league.
That you continue to post about. The same 4 things.
- You love the Tribe.
- You hate the Dolans.
- You'll never go to a game.
- The league is full of, ahem, wussies and it's garbage league that unless you have a 120 million dollar payroll you might as well call it a day the last week of March and go sit on the beach for 6 months.
We get it. sMh.
"If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college"
GO ROCKETS
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,111
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,111 |
Quote:
Not to sound like an apologist, because frankly I don't really care either way, but it's got to be tough watching your defense play like they're in tee-ball and allow a bunch of runs to score, knowing that they're incapable of getting them back on offense. The Indians simply can't hit, which means they can't score. Starting pitcher gives up three runs? Might as well call it a day.
To be fair, it's also got to be tough on the defense to watch the pitcher continuously go deep into counts, walk batters, and give up frozen ropes that may or may not damage the cars parked behind the bleachers.
As you're well aware, pitching is not easy. IMO, it's just as much controlling your emotions out on the mound as it is the stuff you have. You are the one guy on the field that has complete control over what you are trying to do (pitch selection and location). If a guy misplaying a pop up drives him to fall apart, then he's doing nothing more then stealing money.
We have 3 guys in columbus that could be doing what he's doing right now.
Crowded elevators smell different to short people...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Wasting time at work, i looked more into Pomeranz. Can't believe we traded him for this loser. I don't know why people think Pomeranz is struggling. Last year, he had three great games and one awful game. This year, he had one bad start, his first, and three great games since then. Two crappy starts and six good ones your first time in the majors is pretty good. He's only 23. He might not hit his prime for 3-5 more years. Not only that, he's shown good mental fortitude in that his horrible start each year was followed up by a real good outing. He isn't intimidated and doesn't fall apart if he struggles.
Jimenez has lost fastball velocity two straight years. He's had one good start this year (his first) and its been all down hill since then. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Jimenez isn't his real name and he's three years older. He has the emotional fortitude of a five year old. If we get five innings out of him with less than three runs its a miracle. I'll be shocked if he can win ten games this year.
Horrible, horrible trade that gets worse every five days. And that's without even considering the possibility that Alex White might still develop into something down the road. An absolute fleecing by Colorado of us.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882 |
Hey broken record, we get it. You can't stand the Indians, you think Ubaldo is worthless, Pomeranz is already a Cy Young hopefull and it was the worst trade in MLB history.
Every 4 inning start from Pomeranz is great and anything Ubaldo does is crap. We get it man.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Quote:
Hey broken record, we get it. You can't stand the Indians, you think Ubaldo is worthless, Pomeranz is already a Cy Young hopefull and it was the worst trade in MLB history.
Every 4 inning start from Pomeranz is great and anything Ubaldo does is crap. We get it man.
I also think that Pomeranz is better than Jimenez. Not sure if you got that from my posts.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521 |
Quote:
If a guy misplaying a pop up drives him to fall apart, then he's doing nothing more then stealing money.
It'd be nice if it was that simple to explain away. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case last night. For starters, the defense had two dropped routine popups, a bobbled grounder, forgetting to cover a base on a ground ball, failure to turn a routine double play, and a misplayed line drive to right that was then thrown terribly off the mark in an attempt to get the runner coming home from second. On top of that, every one of those outs that the defense failed to record meant another batter coming to the plate, which meant another 4-5 pitches, extending the pitch count. Then you add in that fact that the Indians cannot score runs, and its a recipe for disaster.
The Indians have scored more than 4 runs exactly six times. Five those were in consecutive games in the second week of the season. Since then they've eclipsed the 4-run mark once, while scoring 2 or fewer runs seven times in the same span. You simply cannot win when you play baseball like that.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,027 |
Quote:
Quote:
It's a garbage league.
That you continue to post about. The same 4 things.
- You love the Tribe.
- You hate the Dolans.
- You'll never go to a game.
- The league is full of, ahem, wussies and it's garbage league that unless you have a 120 million dollar payroll you might as well call it a day the last week of March and go sit on the beach for 6 months.
We get it. sMh.
aw, are you still butthurt about my pansie comment? lol, get over it dude.
It's a freaking message board, people are going to say things you don't agree with.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Quote:
Quote:
If a guy misplaying a pop up drives him to fall apart, then he's doing nothing more then stealing money.
Since then they've eclipsed the 4-run mark once, while scoring 2 or fewer runs seven times in the same span. You simply cannot win when you play baseball like that.
I think there are two different issues. One is Jimenez, and whether or not he can handle the pressure. Two is that we can't score runs to overcome bad defense. Both were in play last night. Jimenez was not pitching well and gave up too many runs, even without the shoddy defense. The defense gave up too many runs, even if Jimenez had been pitching a gem. Either way, we would have lost. together, it wasn't even close.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521 |
I think that's fair, and I wonder how much of the pressure on Ubaldo (and the rest of our pitching staff) comes from knowing that they more or less have to pitch perfectly in order to have a shot at winning games. I might be willing to go so far as to say that the expectations placed on the Indians' staff by virtue of the team's offensive woes are borderline unreasonable (I know...really putting myself out there, huh?)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
I am sometimes amazed that Masterson hasn't stabbed somebody. That guy has more quality starts with either no run support or the pen blows them. Of course, now he's been a little shaky himself. I had such hope for this team last year.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433 |
Left the bases loaded twice...where art thou Indians offense?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882 |
I only saw the second bases loaded situation.
Goundout, Hit, walk (which should have been a caught stealing), HBP, K, K.
It was hardly something the Indians manufactured. More like Humber goofing around.
I was upset Santana couldn't put the ball in play.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Hey broken record, we get it. You can't stand the Indians, you think Ubaldo is worthless, Pomeranz is already a Cy Young hopefull and it was the worst trade in MLB history.
Every 4 inning start from Pomeranz is great and anything Ubaldo does is crap. We get it man.
I also think that Pomeranz is better than Jimenez. Not sure if you got that from my posts.
 Yes, I picked up that theme.
All I'm saying, give it some time. To me, Jimenez should be 3-2 (Perez lost a win for him at the start of the season - 7IP, 1H, 2B, 2ER = ND). I'm not saying it guarantess he'll win 3 of every 5 starts going forward.....but I'll take that for our #2 starter. He has 2 quality starts out of 5 (and very close to a 3rd - 6IP 4ER).
And same goes for Pomeranz too. He's barely pitched past the 4th or 5th inning in all of his starts (which may be by design due to his age).
I think it's too early to call it a bad trade....and very, very early to call it one of the worst trades ever.
I hope you're right. Jimenez's trend over the last two years, however, shows he's in decline. I hope he figures it out. I'm scarred from wishing the same thing for Carmona the last 4 years. And Jimenez is eerily acting like Carmona - losing command, getting flustered under pressure, and suddenly looking three years older than we thought he was. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
rough night for Choo so far. 2 strikeouts with the bases loaded tonight.
Come on Choo. It was one DUI a year ago. let it go.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Maybe I'm overreacting, but this team just doesn't feel clutch. We've had 6 base runners tonight and no runs. They have two and one run. Are they pressing? Hafner already looks out of gas - he's batting like .130 the last seven games. we get runners on third with one out and can't bring them home. It's driving me nuts.
Last edited by Haras; 05/02/12 09:12 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295
2nd String
|
|
2nd String
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 295 |
Quote:
Maybe I'm overreacting, but this team just doesn't feel clutch. We've had 6 base runners tonight and no runs. They have two and one run. Are they pressing? Hafner already looks out of gas - he's batting like .130 the last seven games. we get runners on third with one out and can't bring them home. It's driving me nuts.
I take it back.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882 |
I know...that was a no-doubter too. 15 rows up in DEEP right. I suppose a 3-run homer with 2 outs is a bit "clutch".  We'll see how Tomlin does in the 5th.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,577
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,577 |
"If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college"
GO ROCKETS
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,371
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,371 |
Everybody else in the national league can hit Samardzija expect for the Reds. 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,521 |
I should gripe about the Tribe offense more often. They've scored 6 tonight.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,111
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,111 |
Quote:
I should gripe about the Tribe offense more often. They've scored 6 tonight.
You take the O, i'll take the pitching staff, we could make this interesting after all 
Crowded elevators smell different to short people...
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Baseball...
|
|
