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Browns | Vickers moves to top of depth chart Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:43:19 -0700 Patrick McManamon, of the Akron Beacon Journal, reports with the Cleveland Browns cutting FB Terrelle Smith, FB Lawrence Vickers will step in for Smith. Browns | Team eyeing quarterbacks Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:28:55 -0700 Steve Doerschuk, of the Canton Repository, reporting for the Sporting News, reports the Cleveland Browns have been monitoring what it would take to pry restricted free-agent QB Matt Schaub (Falcons) away from the Atlanta Falcons in a draft-related trade. They also have been studying Houston Texans QB David Carr. Browns | Peek will get chance Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:27:33 -0700 Steve Doerschuk, of the Canton Repository, reporting for the Sporting News, reports with Cleveland Browns LB Willie McGinest fading, DL Antwan Peek will get a chance to emerge as a long-term answer at the outside linebacker spot opposite 2006 draft star LB Kamerion Wimbley. Browns | Steinbach has versatility Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:23:42 -0700 Steve Doerschuk, of the Canton Repository, reporting for the Sporting News, reports Cleveland Browns OG Eric Steinbach will probably play left guard, but if OT Kevin Shaffer doesn't improve, Steinbach has the athleticism and technical mastery to move to left tackle. Bengals | Not expected to match offer on Smith Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:08:54 -0700 Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports the Cincinnati Bengals are not likely to match the Cleveland Browns $8 million plus offer sheet on backup free-agent DL Shaun Smith (Bengals). KFFL
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Sorry Charlie.
You've got one more shot and you better be perfect right out of the gate.
Falcons get the 3rd pick in the draft
Browns get Schaub, the 10th and 42nd picks in the draft.
I wouldn't be unhappy with such a move.
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I would not mind getting carr from houston for the right price. I would rather get him over Shaub simply because I have never seen Shaub play. Good to hear about SMith that the Bengals will not match and hopefully Willie can help Peek out and make him a decent lb.
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Well Toad, I have to agree, I've seen Shaub play a few games and he is not that bad of a passer. Good arm, pretty good accuracy, stands in there and seems to show some confindence and leadership. Now I'm not saying he's a vet or that he's gonna definitely save our QB situation but he certainly has the potential to do such. I think that Frye, now, has more in game experience than Schaub but from what little I've seen of him he's got moxy like Frye but is a better passer. Frye has moxy and mobility, Schaub has moxy and passing ability. I'll take the passing ability over the mobility any day. Although, I can honestly say that I would not mind having Carr as our QB either, but I think Schaub might be the better choice.
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Give Charlie a line that doesn't have him contstantly in fear for his life, a productive running game, a lot fewer INTs that bounce off our receivers, and another year under his belt and maybe he looks halfway decent out there. With Dropcutt gone, some chemistry with Joe J., BE, K2 & Wilson and improved timing, he could be okay. Not saying he's the man and not against competition or ugrading the spot, I just don't think last season was a fair indicator of how he may eventually play on Sundays.
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I agree with a line, a running game, and no more dropcut taking up WR spots on the field I think Charlie has the ability to be very successful in the NFL. I don't understand this think ing that Shaub is a better QB than Frye as he has been in the league for what now? 4 yrs and Frye has more experience than him. I would rather have Frye start inless Shaub is all he is hyped up to be.
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It wasn't. All it really did was show how valuable his mobility is.
Frye hasn't been dealt a fair hand, but like Couch, he has holes in his game that he may not be able to overcome. Regardless, the organization has determined that he may not be the guy. The unwavering support is gone so we move forward with the search.
And AndraDavis, it's not what Schaub has done, it's what he can do. Let's face it, Frye is one of the poorest passing QB's in the league. Nobody heaves up more ducks than he does, and his arm isn't that strong. His mobility and playmaking ability is what got him into the this league on the first day, but it's his arm that kept him from being a 1st tier prospect. Schaub doesn't posess Chuck's mobility, but in the NFL, you have to be a passer first. Just ask the Falcons about Mike Vick.
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Give Charlie a line that doesn't have him contstantly in fear for his life, a productive running game, a lot fewer INTs that bounce off our receivers, and another year under his belt...
and we have the same kid who can't read a defense, doesn't know where the pass rush is coming from, who won't throw the ball untill after the receiver makes his break or untill the receiver has 5 yards on the cover guy, who can't lead a receiver to save his life, who can't make all the throws that an NFL QB needs to be able to make, who runs into sacks, who holds the ball too long....do we need to keep going?????
Oline was a BIG problem for Charlie....But Charlie was a BIG problem for his Oline as well. Charlies receivers didn't help Charlie all of the time...but Charlie didn't help his receivers either. Our running game didn't help Charlie as well....but Charlie couldn't make Defenses respect the passing game which didn't help our running game.
We had a lot of problems...and Charlie was NOT the center of it all...but too many people think that Charlie is innocent in all of this and it is hogwash....
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Here we go again...  I've got a huge feelin' if we want a QB we best go for Schaub or Carr...Cause that feelin's tellin' me Russell and Quinn are going 1-2 in this draft...As far as I'm concerned...Quinn's not even an option... Thomas or Peterson are Browns at 3 or lower... Who would u rather have??? 1) Schaub and go down to 10??? 2) Carr for a 3rd??? Carr ALONE and our 3 pick is not even close to a good deal...I want their 2nd rounder also... IF Houston took Quinn at 3...Peterson's ours at 8... Adrian Peterson Justin Blalock Aaron Ross Ryan McBean CARR That is an A1 first day... I take CARR every day and Sunday...He's got all the physicals Frye don't...Give the 3rd and be done with QB... THEN DRAFT HIS BLINDSIDE HELP AT THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry Charlie.
You've got one more shot and you better be perfect right out of the gate.
Falcons get the 3rd pick in the draft
Browns get Schaub, the 10th and 42nd picks in the draft.
I wouldn't be unhappy with such a move.
I agree. Actually, that would be pretty sweet.
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Shaub become unrestricted next year... please don't waste any picks on him... let Frye do his thing!!
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Toad that would be the "Best Case" Scenario we could possibly get
We Get Schaub, the 10th pick, and the 42nd pick
in return the Falcon's get our 3rd over all, and heck throw Charlie Frye in to the deal as well
we would then have the 10th, plus 2 2nd rd picks
we could get Branch in the 1st To strengthen our DL and then follow it with a OT/G with our 1st 2nd rder, and with the 42 we aquired from Atlanta we draft the best CB on the board
if Phil could pull this off and make the right moves, we could challenge for the division title this year
I would be happy with either Shaub or Carr, i feel Carr is a fine Qb on a bad team, and may be more season them shaub, but on the flipside Shaub hasn't developed some of the bad habits Carr has(due to a OL worse then ours)
it will be very intresting to see what happens, but if Atlanta and us could reach an agreement like this, i highley doubt Phil don't pull the trigger and make the trade. Getting a Qb and an extra 2nd rd pick would be astounding. and well all know how much Phil values his draft picks
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I would take Schaub over Carr i think
Schaub is younger, it would be easier to work out a long-term deal with Schaub
Schaub doesn't have very much wear and tear on his body, and he hasn't developed the bad habits Carr has
Carr has been shell-shocked, the poor kid has been pounded on for years now, and does exhibit happy feet at times
what i like about Schaub is on a 3 step drop Schaub goes 1,2,3,fire...the ball is gone as soon as the 3rd step is taken....Schaub gets rid of the ball and don't hold it lookin like a deer in headlights, and is the main reason he is a better QB then Vick in terms if being a "QB" and not a runner
we should go with Schaub...it would be the better deal
we could probably get Schaub, the 10th, and the 42nd pick in return for the 3rd overall, and Charlie Frye, i say do it..Anderson would be a better back-up then Frye, and it makes Schaub the undisputed starter . we also would garner an extra 2nd rd pick to nab a CB(a position we desperatly need)
IMO Atlanta would be a better trading partner...
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If we drop to 8 or 10.....I would probably look for Defense....some decent CB's as well as a DT or DE we could have. Then go Guard in round 2 and 3 we could go all sorts of ways....RB, QB(not likely if we make the move but we could),DL, OL....basically BPA....
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Before doing a deal for either Schuab or Carr (and I would prefer either over Russell and Quinn) we would need to do some digging before draft day. We'd need to get some parameters in place and agreed to (wink, wink) for a new contract with either of them. Schuab is on the last year of his contract and I wouldn't want to rent him for a year, and Carr makes too much.
Either Houston's 1st, 2nd and Carr or Atlanta's 1st, 2nd and Schuab would work for me.
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Patrick McManamon, of the Akron Beacon Journal, reports with the Cleveland Browns cutting FB Terrelle Smith, FB Lawrence Vickers will step in for Smith.
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Houston ain't giving picks away unless it's a blatantly one-sided deal in their favor (e.g. Carr and their 3nd for #3)...they need to fill as many, if not more holes than we do...no way that we get Carr AND any 07 picks, IMO...
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I still dont believe were going to draft a QB, Right now in building this team is just dosent make since, If we do aquire a Carr or Schuab it will be because we aquire more draft picks in a cant turn down trade. Which probebly wont happen until were on the clock, If Savage gets a QB at # 3, or via Trade for # 3, he's gonna have to be 100% sure this pick or guy will beat out Charlie, 100% sure, can you hear every Browns fan come September if Charlie beats out Savages # 3 pick or a player he traded it for, or even come training camp when this # 3 is holding out, what good will picking a QB at # 3 be or aquiring a QB for the pick if Savage knows he might not beat out Charlie, We'd be hearing about how we muffed the pick and how A.Peterson is tearing up the leauge and we passed on him, Phil will continue to toss this QB smoke screen up and come draft day trade the # 3 or select Thomas or Peterson, Charlie will have one more year to prove himself, 
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You've got one more shot and you better be perfect right out of the gate.
Falcons get the 3rd pick in the draft
Browns get Schaub, the 10th and 42nd picks in the draft.
Never happen. Not until they're sure Vick isn't "all that and a can of beer"
And I don't think they've decided that yet.
I also love how most of you guys are sure a guy who essentially has carried a clipboard for 3 years is head and shoulders above what we have. Charlie may not be what we'd all like but he's hardly the turd you make him out to be.
Will we trade for a new QB? Possibly. But I doubt it's before draft day. And I doubt it's for Schaub. We'll see in about 43 days.
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Browns get Schaub, the 10th and 42nd picks in the draft.
I wouldn't be unhappy with such a move.
Wow! This would be a disaster! No way Schaub or Carr are worth anything more than a 2nd round pick total! If we're looking for an unproven Qb that "seems" to have the skills why not look at Rodgers out of Green Bay? They seem willing to discuss moving him for a reasonable price.
The price for quality QB's has taken a nosedive over the last three years and giving up our 1st (or swapping all the way down to #10) is over paying. There are plenty of very good QB's moving around in FA over the past few years - McNair-Brees-Garcia just to name a few-. No need to waste a pick on one.
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I agree any QB action will wait until we're on the clock. Because I'm of the opinion that if Russell falls to us Phil won't let him pass any further down the line.
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Toad, all this news is not new. Everyone of these items with the exception of the Peek/Willie M. old news. the Peek thing makes sense however.
As for Schaub,,, Man I just don't get it. With all the problems Atl has had getting Vick to fit into any particular system, why hasn't this guy emerged as the best candidate. ( I'm no Vick fan by the way) I mean if he's so good, and there being such an apparent shortage of quality starting QB,,, why is it that nobody has attempted to give up the farm for him before..
I'm a little confused.
Then there is the Carr debate. My goodness, this kid has put up some numbers in Houston,, no question. He's mobile, smart, pretty strong armed and he's got the size... But without a line, he's appeared just average.
Now that we seem to be moving in on the possibility of having not only a decent line, but one that could end up being pretty good with the possible addition of Thomas in the draft.. So David Carr might look pretty good here.
But to get him or even Schaub for that matter, it would appear that we would have to give up our 3rd pick, and there goes Thomas and there goes this potentially greatly improved line..
Catch 22,,,, Keep the pick, lose out on Schaub and Carr but severly improve the line.. Trade the 3rd pick for either Carr or Schaub and some picks but miss out on the line potential,
How a person thinks depends on what folks think of Carr, Schaub and Thomas. If you like Thomas, then it's a no brainer,,,no trades.. If you like Carr or Schaub, and you think either could be the QB to take this team to a Superbowl, then you gotta pass on Thomas...
here's my thinking,, if the brain trust isn't 100% convinced that Schaub or Carr is the leader they need to complete this team and make it to te promised land,, then Pass on them and get your line set,,,
But that's just my opinion...
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Phil will continue to toss this QB smoke screen up and come draft day trade the # 3 or select Thomas or Peterson, Charlie will have one more year to prove himself,
I really hope you are right...but theses reports keep coming from everywhere.....I have a bad feeling regarding the draft and I don´t know why...I guess we will either draft a QB or (if we can´t) trade for Carr or Schaub....
I don´like both ideas but consider the Carr deal best simply because there is hope we get a decent player at 8....
this is crazy, this is really a bad year to move out of the first 5 draft spots....why for once can´t we do the right thing for this franchise and stay at 3 and draft Thomas if he´s there....we can´t keep canning QBs after 20 starts, that´s just stupid and then draft another 1 or trade for the next Feeley (Schaub) who again needs at least 1 year to learn himself
What are we? We give QBs their first 20 starts and then let them go? are we the NFL´s development team? After 20 starts Frye has a better passer rating than McNabb after his first 20 and it´s as good as both Manning´s 20 starts....I´m not saying he´s as talented, I just think we can´t judge either way
Worst case scenario remains uptrade losing a 1st day pick for Russell.....it´s make or break for Savage in my book and if the reports are somewhat true I don´t like the thinking
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But to get him or even Schaub for that matter, it would appear that we would have to give up our 3rd pick, and there goes Thomas and there goes this potentially greatly improved line..
Someone correct my lazy ass if I'm wrong on this...
Didn't a team recently turn down a request from Houston of a 4th rounder for Carr???
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NEWS FLASH!! 
As for Schaub, I do have to go with Toad on his scenario, there at the # 10 slot is going to be nothing but Defense at that point. But, as someone else said, Schaub is a unrestricted Free Agent in 2008, let Frye and Anderson show what they got.
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I still dont believe were going to draft a QB
There's a athought for both sides of that but all the murmuring I've read tells me the Browns want a upgrade but aren't being OUTSPOKEN about it..
They should look at what makes sense..get a young guy to build around or a rookie to start..
Either way whether it's smoke or fire something has to give..as I and a few others including Toad are saying Frye's skill set isn't going to translate into the future..best make the move this year and get them all on the same page..
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LOL!!! Yesterday everyone was going crazy over the thread about Lerner pushing Savage to take a QB, now we're jumping all over the trade talks again. For what?? A QB!! I mean, I guess there's nothing else to talk about, but can't you all see through the smoke? That is all any of this is!! I'm not saying that there may not be some truth to some of these little morsels of information but a majority of it is crap just to add to the widespread speculation of what we're going to do on Draft Day. And it seems to be working VERY well.
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Well Toad, I have to agree, I've seen Shaub play a few games and he is not that bad of a passer. Good arm, pretty good accuracy,
So was Holcomb untill he got the starting role. Then? Teams had enough game film to plan for him. We all saw what resulted afterwords.
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Well Kardiac,there is somewhat of a difference here.
If you draft a rookie QB,no matter who it is,it almost always usually takes a while for them to get acclimated to "the speed of the NFL game". Most rookies are not extremly productive right out of the gate. Can they be? It's possible but has a VERY low probability of happening.
With an established veteran,this is not an issue. With RAC's job being on the line to "win now" both veteran QB and a veteran RB help provide NFL experience which should both translate on the field in a far more immediate way. That is the obvious difference I see here.
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Someone correct my lazy ass if I'm wrong on this...
Didn't a team recently turn down a request from Houston of a 4th rounder for Carr???
I do believe there was something like that floating around,, but it was uncomfirmed and I don't think it was a simple as a 4th rounder,, I believe it involved a swap of 1st rounders as well.. But I could be wrong.
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But isn't Quinn a Bonafide Day One Starting STUD???...*L*
We draft Quinn and he's GOTTA start...Or at least by game 4ish...
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What are we? We give QBs their first 20 starts and then let them go? are we the NFL´s development team? After 20 starts Frye has a better passer rating than McNabb after his first 20 and it´s as good as both Manning´s 20 starts....I´m not saying he´s as talented, I just think we can´t judge either way
Tell me one QB that we let go after 20 games that went somewhere else and studded out. Hell that even was a productive starter for any length of time.
I was a draft Frye pimp from day one. I thought he could be the next Bernie Kosar for the fans, but he simply hasn't progressed.
I know the line is part of the blame, but not all of the blame.
You can subtract all of the plays that the line clearly didn't give him enough time to execute the play.
Now base your opinion on the plays that he had time and see what the results were.
I remember plenty of times that Frye threw the ball short, threw the ball behind the receiver, didn't see the open man, or looked to dump the ball to a short receiver.
I watch a QB like Manning (only using him because I have seen more of him then any other QB in the league) and he throws to a spot. He threw a pass to Stokely for a touchdown. Stokely ran a pattern with a double move. Before he came out of his first move the ball was in the air and when he finally turned to the QB the ball was almost to him. TOUCHDOWN!
I have not seen Frye even try that once. He usually waits until the receiver has a 5 yard lead and then throws behind the receiver allowing the D back to get back into the play.
He never hits the receiver in stride.
I would love to have seen Frye step up and be the stud we all wanted him to be, but he simply doesn't have it.
He has the determination, class, and work ethic that you want to see in your starting quarterback, but he doesn't have the physical tools or the mental ability to read, recognize, and make the quick decision that he needs to have in the NFL.
Last year at this time people were saying "We need to give Frye a whole year as a starter to make a decision on him." We gave him the year. He played every game that he was healthy enough to play. He simply didn't produce.
Now those same people who wanted a year are now making excuses and asking for another year.
Simply time to move on.
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"As for Schaub,,, Man I just don't get it." It's called the Scott Mitchell Syndrome. The Browns contracted it a few years back with Kelly Holcomb. They finally flushed the disease out of their system, but at least some fans apparently enjoyed the disease and want to trade a #3 pick, to contract it again.
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LOL, Pete, you are so much better than this. You surely understand that some of these things you have stated aren't just a Charlie problem. Let's look at a few:
"doesn't know where the pass rush is coming from"
With a line that was the sieve that we had, NO ONE knows where the pass rush is coming from.
"who won't throw the ball untill after the receiver makes his break or untill the receiver has 5 yards on the cover guy"
It has been well reported that receivers were running the wrong routes. That would condition ANY QB to hold the ball until the receiver makes his break to make sure he is going to actually break the right way.
"who can't lead a receiver to save his life"
Your generalization is so obviously flawed and biased it's almost sad. There were many times when he did just that.....sometimes he did it and it was dropped or tipped and intercepted. That's just a BS statement.
"who can't make all the throws that an NFL QB needs to be able to make"
That is a totally false statement. His combine workouts showed he could do just that.
"who runs into sacks"
It's hard not to run into sacks when you're running for your life all the time.
"who holds the ball too long"
When a receiver can't get open or running the wrong routes, that will happen. Also, once the coaching staff started working with the clock to get rid of the ball, Frye improved with that.
"do we need to keep going????"
If you want to make a valid point instead of inaccurate statements, you do. There are holes in Charlie's game, no doubt, and serious concerns. However, your generalizations are far from the whole story.
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Coach, I'm not sure you are correct about that.. I think it's more that some are just unhappy with Charlie so they grasp at any hint that there is a change in the wind...
They are entitled to thier opinions,, in the end, they may be correct about Charlie,, But to kick him to the curb in favor of another unproven QB makes little or no sense.
I'd be way more interested in Carr,, we know he's got everything except a line so there is a chance he could be very very good if we protect him.
Or heck, I'd take Quinn in the draft if it's a new QB that's needed.. That I would do over Carr or Schaub (am I spelling his name correctly).. Quinn is an unknown but by all accounts is the real deal so heck, why not. (I myself aren't sure about him, but I bow to those that know more about College QB's and they mostly say he's for real)
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Take Thomas at #3. Solidify the line to the absolute best that we can this year. Take the best DL available in the second. Inquire as to interest for our third round pick for Carr...if so do the deal...if not go DB or RB.
A better defense, with the DL additions in FA and draft help this year will better rest our defensive team and give more touches to the Offense. With the major upfront ugrade on the OL Charlie/Carr will have more time and better options rather than drop and run for your life.
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You make a great point Daman. If it's the QB that needs to be fixed, and management is pushing for a QB. Why bother going through all of this just to get a field tested failure (or in Schaub's case an untested one). He's proven nothing. Then we could keep it simple and draft a QB. There are too many unknowns so far and anyone's speculation is nothing better than an educated guess.
If the Moss for Rogers trade rumors become real, then all of this may be a mute point. Then there's a chance that we all may have to fear that Russell falls to the Browns and we all know how Savage feels about his hometown boy.
It'll be interesting to see what happens between now and draft day!
And the next head coach is ......
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See Ralphie, that kinda makes sense.. but you gotta be able to get Carr without messing with the 1st round pick,,, the only way your plan works is if we still have a pick high enough to grab Thomas.. And I was under the impression (perhaps incorrectly) that along with a 3rd or 4th round pick, Houston wanted a swap of 1st rounders,,,, in that case, it just doesn't work..
See what I'm driving at?
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Well Kardiac,there is somewhat of a difference here.
If you draft a rookie QB,no matter who it is,it almost always usually takes a while for them to get acclimated to "the speed of the NFL game". Most rookies are not extremly productive right out of the gate. Can they be? It's possible but has a VERY low probability of happening.
With an established veteran,this is not an issue. With RAC's job being on the line to "win now" both veteran QB and a veteran RB help provide NFL experience which should both translate on the field in a far more immediate way. That is the obvious difference I see here.
But, if we have a rookie QB starting, wouldn't the "win now" pressure be eased?
If our team isn't ready to "win now," drafting and starting a rookie QB buys RAC time. I think anyone with basic football 101 common sense wouldn't blame a losing season on RAC if we started a rookie QB.
If we need to slow down the optimism around here and be more realistic, a rookie QB will do it.
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LOL, isn't this coming from the guy that is adamant that the team is going to lose every last fan if they don't win this year? You really are bipolar....or just going to change any stance you have to convince others drafting a QB is the way to go
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LOL, isn't this coming from the guy that is adamant that the team is going to lose every last fan if they don't win this year? You really are bipolar....or just going to change any stance you have to convince others drafting a QB is the way to go
If the optimism is so high that people think we're going to the playoffs, then yes. What's the only draftable position that says "Hey, we're still not quite there yet and it takes time for this position to develop, and it has a huge impact because this is the most important position in any sport." Why, it's QB!
Draft anybody else, and suddenly the pressures on Frye to lead the Browns to the playoffs or else.
Do you really think we'll expect playoffs with a rookie QB starting? Cleveland fans aren't dumb. We'll just hope he shows more competence than any other QB we've had since the return (and considering how miserable those QB's were, it can be done).
Bipolar, eh? Do you ever tell your players they're bipolar or like to insult them and cut them down? I bet they LOVE playing for you 
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