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New Browns quarterback Brandon Weeden believes his age will help him transition to NFL By Nate Ulrich Beacon Journal sports writer May 1, 2012 - 07:33 AM Brandon Weeden heard all the wisecracks about his age while he played quarterback for Oklahoma State, and he realizes he’ll continue to encounter them as he continues his career with the Browns. Weeden, though, can take a joke. After spending five seasons in minor-league baseball and another five years in Oklahoma State’s football program, the 28-year-old Weeden knows how to hold his own in the locker room. “He’s always been one of the guys,” said Oklahoma State wide receiver Josh Cooper, who recently agreed to sign with the Browns as an undrafted free agent. “When you get around him, I’m 23, and he acts like me. He likes to kid around, fool around, all that stuff. “But when it comes time to play, he’s talking and telling you what to do. You’re listening. You’re all ears. He’s a vocal guy, and as a quarterback, you’ve gotta have that. He’s just one of those guys that you’re going to listen to, and if you don’t know something, he’s going to be the guy to tell you.” Although the window for Weeden’s career will likely be shorter than most of the other quarterbacks drafted last week, he believes his age can help him succeed sooner than his contemporaries. The Browns picked Weeden in the first round (22nd overall), and they expect him to start this year. “My baseball background, what I’ve been through, the adversity I’ve been through, it really prepares me for what I am about to go through,” Weeden said. “I think being 28 years old is an advantage for me. I use it as an advantage because my body is still fresh. I still have a lot of football left in my tank. I never really saw any negatives because I have to answer the question [about my age] all the time. I really see it as a positive, and I think it’s really going to help in the locker room. I think it’s going to help me prepare on a daily basis to become the best player I can become.” In the wake of picking Weeden, the Browns still must figure out what they’ll do with Colt McCoy, who started 21 games at quarterback the past two seasons. President Mike Holmgren and coach Pat Shurmur said Saturday night the team has not decided whether it will try to trade him. As Shurmur expected, McCoy participated in the Browns’ offseason workout program Monday in Berea. Weeden handled himself with poise when asked about McCoy’s situation last week during his introductory news conference. He never anointed himself as the starting quarterback and explained no matter what happens to McCoy, it’s management’s decision. “He’s different than all the other quarterbacks that were drafted ahead of him or behind him [because of] his age and his maturity and what he brings immediately to the table,” Holmgren said of Weeden. “Now you couple that with his skill level, which is pretty obvious on film, and he has the potential I think to play well sooner because of that than other quarterbacks in the draft. So he became very attractive to us.” Weeden’s size is appealing. He’s 6-foot-3½ inches and 221 pounds. “If you want me to compare guys who are short to guys that are taller, taller guys can sometimes see a little bit better, which will allow them to do some things,” Shurmur said. “In terms of a physical nature, a quarterback does have to be able to take a little bit of a pounding. They all get hit.” Weeden’s arm impressed the Browns, too. “Catching the ball from another quarterback and catching one from him, there’s no comparison,” Cooper said. “A couple years ago in practice, he dislocated two of my fingers throwing to me. He just fires the ball. That arm’s unbelievable.” But even if Weeden does have the physical traits of a prototypical NFL quarterback, he acknowledges switching from Oklahoma State’s spread offense to Shurmur’s West Coast system will present challenges. He must adjust to working from under center and other nuances. “Playing quarterback in this league is demanding,” Weeden said. “Obviously, you have got to spend a lot of time and learn. I am going to be learning a whole new system, but it is something that I have a passion for, and I will do everything in my power to help this team win football games.”
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Thanks for posting the article.
Dear Nate Ulrich, is that the best you could do? That article is perhaps the least comprehensive, thought-out, informative, or attention-grabbing that I've seen from a professional writer. You've had nearly a week to come up with something with a hook in it, and you failed.
Time to find another vocation...
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Thanks for posting the article.
Dear Nate Ulrich, is that the best you could do? That article is perhaps the least comprehensive, thought-out, informative, or attention-grabbing that I've seen from a professional writer. You've had nearly a week to come up with something with a hook in it, and you failed.
Time to find another vocation...
Agreed.. the dipwad couldn't even tell me what I wanted to know and that is the dates for the OTA's rookie and otherwise.
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I would like to preface this with the fact that I really don't watch a ton of college ball, so I really don't know a lot about Weeden....
But is there any concern that this guy might turn out to be another DA--Tall QB, rocket arm, can't handle pressure?
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I would like to preface this with the fact that I really don't watch a ton of college ball, so I really don't know a lot about Weeden....
But is there any concern that this guy might turn out to be another DA--Tall QB, rocket arm, can't handle pressure?
From what I noticed on videos is that Weeden has much better footwork in the pocket and overall pocket presence. DA had no footwork or pocket presence at all.
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From what I noticed on videos is that Weeden has much better footwork in the pocket and overall pocket presence. DA had no footwork or pocket presence at all.
I agree. I like that Weeden - being 6'4" - doesn't take really long strides. His core and his footwork are compact, which allows him to keep his head on a swivel when he is on the move. This all contributes to his accuracy.
Does he have to work on playing well under pressure? Sure, what rookie doesn't have things to worok on.
If you're drafting a QB, you really want someone who is accurate, can roll out and throw accurately, is a slinger, and has the ability to hit the deep ball with accuracy. You don't want these to be things he needs to "work on."
We shall see. But I think this is the best QB we've had since the days of Kosar. Onn paper at least. His film looks very good.
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Although it was minor league baseball, I think the fact that Weeden has gone through this move to a professional career before will be beneficial too.
A lot of kids get drafted and struggle with the life of a pro athlete.
Weeden has done it, he knows what to expect to an extent.
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I love watchin the videos of him, man he can rope a football
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I would like to preface this with the fact that I really don't watch a ton of college ball, so I really don't know a lot about Weeden....
But is there any concern that this guy might turn out to be another DA--Tall QB, rocket arm, can't handle pressure?
Perhaps, but I seriously doubt it.
Anderson was a statue in the pocket. Weeden can make some in the pocket moves. Weeden, for being bad under pressure, is still infinitely better than DA ever was against pressure.
Weeden also doesn't throw rockets to a guy 5 feet away and has excellent touch on the ball.
you had a good run Hank.
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The kid can really put the ball on the money to allow the receivers a chance for the big run after catch. I think he will do wonders for our offense as well as our receivers.
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I would like to preface this with the fact that I really don't watch a ton of college ball, so I really don't know a lot about Weeden....
But is there any concern that this guy might turn out to be another DA--Tall QB, rocket arm, can't handle pressure?
From what I noticed on videos is that Weeden has much better footwork in the pocket and overall pocket presence. DA had no footwork or pocket presence at all.
Same kind of quick release that DA has though, which is really really really good.
There's no doubt this guy is going to have to adapt to Shurmur's offense, but I think there is a decent chance he picks this up quickly. Having TR33 is going to be huge too. Things will look a lot different next year.
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I would like to preface this with the fact that I really don't watch a ton of college ball, so I really don't know a lot about Weeden....
But is there any concern that this guy might turn out to be another DA--Tall QB, rocket arm, can't handle pressure?
From what I noticed on videos is that Weeden has much better footwork in the pocket and overall pocket presence. DA had no footwork or pocket presence at all.
Same kind of quick release that DA has though, which is really really really good.
There's no doubt this guy is going to have to adapt to Shurmur's offense, but I think there is a decent chance he picks this up quickly. Having TR33 is going to be huge too. Things will look a lot different next year.
Quick release, accustomed to making complicated reads, and throws on a rope... plus intelligence, maturity, and has done the Pro thing before (thus will obviously values his opprtunity and will likely have a great work ethic to make the most of this chance)? ---- I'm not going to get ahead of myself too much here, but I'd say that that puts his ceiling in a year or two to be in the neighborhood of Aaron Rodgers.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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not specifically to you, but where is this coming from? I didn't see this at all from Weeden. I saw a clumsy guy in the pocket who sacked himself vs arizona and stumbled on a 5 step drop then heaved an INT to Bobby Wagner in the Senior Bowl.
1st and 10 at OKST 47 Brandon Weeden rush for a loss of 9 yards to the OKSt 38.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=312510197&period=0
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I'm not going to look at the video, mostly because it'd be pointless to do so, but I will say that you either need a series of videos that shows it to be a problem, or you need a series of videos that don't.
One incident does NOT make someone, nor does it tell you anything at all about their tendencies or what type of player they are. At best, it shows a singular possibility - and in this case, it is something that can happen to any QB.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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He's not Luck or Griffin with how they can move outside the pocket, but he's also above guys like Manning and Brady with what they can do outside the pocket. The good thing is he has excellent footwork like a pocket QB.
I don't care about senior bowl stuff either. I like to look at plays with his everyday team. All the preparation that goes into it, working with the same coaches everyday. The senior bowl or any of those other types of all-star football games just don't do anything for me.
I dunno, maybe A.Rodge is a good QB to compare him to with his outside the pocket stuff? Rodgers ain't Vick, but he can also get away from pressure and improvise a little. Rodgers might be a little better.
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I think in 3 to 6 months his ceiling is Johnny Unitas. Or Elway.
Why limit him to being Aaron Rodgers in a year or two?
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it was just a link to the game play-by-play and not a video (vs. Arizona in week 2 of this past college season.) He was sacked by the 40 yard line on a 3 step drop out of the shotgun. All his snaps were out of shotgun in college, so I was interested to see how he'd do under center. Fortunately, I still had the senior bowl on my DVR. He started off OK from under center, but then just as i was about to post that he adjusted well was when he tripped over his feet and lobbed the ball the the linebacker.
I hope it's something he works on and is able to straighten out before the season starts... I just don't understand why people are claiming it's some skill or positive of his when I've only seen the opposite, and it was in two different games. Brock Osweiler is a guy that is great moving around in the pocket. Weeden's got a lot of work to do in that area IMO.
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He will never be Aaron Rodgers outside the pocket, and he doesn't have to be to be a good QB. We are still talking about Weeden, right? Or did I miss something and we're talking about a different QB? 
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Why limit him to being Aaron Rodgers in a year or two?
Baby steps, man.... baby steps 
Seriously, though... I'm NOT a fan of the pick at all, but those qualities are a big part of what I think set a guy like Rodgers apart from the rest, so given that they are now in the same system, I found it to be my natural comparison.
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In my mind there were four scenarios heading into the draft as it pertains to the QB position.
I'll rank them in order of my preference:
1. Draft Tannehill
2. Draft Wheedon
3. Draft only a late day 3 type. Roll with Colt.
4. Draft a day 2 or early day 3 type like Cousins an have an open competition.
So in reality I got my 2nd best option.
I'm done with Colt.
And we got Richardson who some people believe will be a transcendent NFL star.
He better be because the gap between 1&2 in my preferences was a chasm.
Now that we have Wheedon I see him and his ceiling two or three years down the road as Matt Schawb. And I'd have no problem with that!
Draft a guy to start grooming for real in 2014 or 2015.
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That's really the key part of all of this ..... getting the QB position stabilized so tha‡ we can draft a future starter a couple of years down the road and not have to force a guy into the lineup again.
Weeden was my 3rd choice overall .... but choice #1 was never in reach, and choice 2 went out of reach when the Redskins outbid us for the rights to RG3. I never wanted any part of Tammehill, so I'm not upset in the least that we didn't get him.
I do think that Weeden can become a very good QB. He may never be an elite guy like a Luck or RG3 ...... but with a great running game and a great defense, he might be enough to vie for a championship. Who knows? Tom Brady came out of nowhere ...... maybe we can get a "makeup" for the past 20 or so years of bad luck we've had as a team and fanbase.
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Wait a minute - you're already thinking of drafting a qb a "couple" years down the road?
A couple of years? Even several years............You're already thinking of his replacement?
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Wait a minute - you're already thinking of drafting a qb a "couple" years down the road?
A couple of years? Even several years............You're already thinking of his replacement?
Why wait? Let's just get the inevitable process started.
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Steve,you foolish man.
Watching tape to make a conclusion.Weedin is now the starting QB of our Browns.
Even to those who didn't want him originally,he now has the gently touch of Monet,a howitzer for an arm,belongs to the Menza Society and pocesses the gracefulness of Barishnikof.
Stop watching film,start watching porn and get with the program.
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Wait a minute - you're already thinking of drafting a qb a "couple" years down the road?
A couple of years? Even several years............You're already thinking of his replacement?
What do good teams do?
They draft and develop backups who are ready to step in when called upon ..... or who create value for the team in terms of trade value.
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Wait a minute - you're already thinking of drafting a qb a "couple" years down the road?
A couple of years? Even several years............You're already thinking of his replacement?
Well according to alot of people Weeden will be needing a wheel chair here soon anyways, because as we all know QBs in their 30s can barely ever walk let alone throw a football..
Ignoring the fact that it's not like Weeden has been playing football for the past 10 years or something...
If Weeden turns into a top guy, we're set for IMO AT LEAST 6-8 years. If that's true, 5-6 years from now you draft a guy and let him sit and learn.
If he's only above average, then in a couple years you start looking for a guy to succeed him...
If he busts, well, whoever the new FO is will try to find their guy...
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That's really the key part of all of this ..... getting the QB position stabilized so that we can draft a future starter a couple of years down the road and not have to force a guy into the lineup again.
Weeden was my 3rd choice overall .... but choice #1 was never in reach, and choice 2 went out of reach when the Redskins outbid us for the rights to RG3. I never wanted any part of Tammehill, so I'm not upset in the least that we didn't get him.
I do think that Weeden can become a very good QB. He may never be an elite guy like a Luck or RG3 ...... but with a great running game and a great defense, he might be enough to vie for a championship. Who knows? Tom Brady came out of nowhere ...... maybe we can get a "makeup" for the past 20 or so years of bad luck we've had as a team and fanbase.
A Phillip Rivers type of QB comes to mind. He's by no means "great" however he puts the ball where it needs to be and does enough to allow SD to compete in their division.
BTW, I'm in the boat that thinks we should have done better with the 22nd pick (WR/DeCastro). I'm truly speaking from an unbiased (but hopeful) perspective.
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BTW, I'm in the boat that thinks we should have done better with the 22nd pick (WR/DeCastro). I'm truly speaking from an unbiased (but hopeful) perspective.
My only thought is, If Weeden busts, we passed up a good oppurtunity to grab a player at a different position that will likely still be a hole later...
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Wait a minute - you're already thinking of drafting a qb a "couple" years down the road?
A couple of years? Even several years............You're already thinking of his replacement?
What do good teams do?
They draft and develop backups who are ready to step in when called upon ..... or who create value for the team in terms of trade value.
So, you got what you wanted - a first round qb. And you're already talking about drafting his replacement in a "couple of years". Got it.
So the replacement can sit and learn for a few years apparently?
My, how things have changed. 
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If we draft a guy in a couple of years, then we would control his contractually for the following 4 years.
That would mean that we could have a backup/future starter/trade asset in place for up to 6 or 7 years.
Yeah, given that I see the QB as the single most important position on the football field, I see it as fairly consistent that I would always be looking for talent there, and players who can help us down the road.
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We don't have the luxury of drafting a qb and let him sit and learn at this point. We still have a lot of holes to fill. Teams like New England and Green Bay can do that. In a few years hopefully we will be there
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We don't have the luxury of drafting a qb and let him sit and learn at this point. We still have a lot of holes to fill. Teams like New England and Green Bay can do that. In a few years hopefully we will be there
Exactly - so why is someone that was so excited to get ABC now wanting to draft a new qb in a couple of years?
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Exactly - so why is someone that was so excited to get ABC now wanting to draft a new qb in a couple of years?
Do you even read things you reply to?
The plan is, Weeden turns into an All-Pro QB, so that IN A FEW YEARS, we can draft a guy where ever we like, and develop him...
Denver just got Manning and drafted a QB in the 2nd round, so he can sit and learn...
(Editors Note: NO, I am not comparing Weeden to Manning)
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I like the plan and think it is solid.
Peen hit on it on another thread and he's right. Some just think a 1st round pick has to be around for 10 years producing at an elite level all 10.
It's unrealistic.
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Not only that, but if we draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd round in a year or 2, and then we're able to trade him for a 1st rounder and repeat the process at that time, we come out way ahead.
Hopefully we won't be drafting in the top 5 for quite some time to come, so we're going to have to maximize the value we have with our draft picks.
Frankly, if we keep McCoy, I hope that either he or Wallace lights it up in pre-season and we're able to get value for one of them. (instead of just cutting one, or both of them)
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BTW, I'm in the boat that thinks we should have done better with the 22nd pick (WR/DeCastro). I'm truly speaking from an unbiased (but hopeful) perspective.
My only thought is, If Weeden busts, we passed up a good oppurtunity to grab a player at a different position that will likely still be a hole later...
This is true for every pick every year in the first 2 rounds. It is not unique to just Weeden.
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We still have a lot of holes to fill.
What glaring holes do we have now? We could use an upgrade at WR, RDE, OLB, and S, but all of our starters are now at a respectable level. Frankly, GB and NE have more glaring needs than us, they just have the elite QB play to make up for it.
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WR1, slot WR, RDE, CB2, FS IMO.
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