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Not happy with the picks? Well here's your chance to re-draft. Then we can peek back in a few months/years and see how you did, and if you really can draft better than what the Front Office did. Here's how it works: Go here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/tracker/by-round#dt-tabs:dt-by-round Check out the picks AFTER the pick we made, and select someone that you would of rather the Browns taken instead. If you liked the pick we did make, you can stick with that one. Unfortunatly, we have to assume that a pick we did make wouldn't of lasted to the next pick ... so say you thought Weeden would of lasted to our second round pick, You can't pick Reiff for our #22 pick and then Weeden at #37. We just have to assume he would of been selected somewhere before that. If you really wanted Weeden, then you have to pick him at the spot the Browns picked him. On the bright-side, you get the benefit of hindsight ... so guys you would of picked in the second round that went in the 4th round (ahem ... Massie) ... you can pick in the 4th round. Also for simplicity, we have to assume all trades went through and pick at those positions. Probably too hard to assume that if we didn't make the trade at #3, that Richardson makes it to us at #4 ... Or if we didn't trade back in the 3rd, that certain picks or other things would happen. Just keep it simple and make picks at the spots we ended up at. Your Picks: Round 1, Pick 3 (3): Round 1, Pick 22 (22): Round 2, Pick 5 (37): Round 3, Pick 24 (87): Round 4, Pick 5 (100): Round 4, Pick 25 (120): Round 5, Pick 25 (160): Round 6, Pick 34 (204): Round 6, Pick 35 (205): Round 7, Pick 38 (245): Round 7, Pick 40 (247): Browns Actual Picks: Round 1, Pick 3 (3) (From Vikings) Trent Richardson RB 5'9" 228 Alabama 93.5 Round 1, Pick 22 (22) (From Falcons) Brandon Weeden QB 6'4" 221 Oklahoma St. 83.7 Round 2, Pick 5 (37) Mitchell Schwartz T 6'5" 318 California 82.5 Round 3, Pick 24 (87) (From Broncos) John Hughes DT 6'2" 309 Cincinnati 48.2 Round 4, Pick 5 (100) Travis Benjamin WR 5'10" 172 Miami 66.5 Round 4, Pick 25 (120) (From Broncos) James-Michael Johnson ILB 6'1" 241 Nevada 69.0 Round 5, Pick 25 (160) (From Broncos) Ryan Miller G 6'7" 321 Colorado 66.5 Round 6, Pick 34 (204) (Compensatory selection) Emmanuel Acho OLB 6'1" 238 Texas 57.0 Round 6, Pick 35 (205) (Compensatory selection) Billy Winn DT 6'4" 294 Boise St. 84.0 Round 7, Pick 38 (245) (Compensatory selection) Trevin Wade CB 5'10" 192 Arizona 82.5 Round 7, Pick 40 (247) (Compensatory selection) Brad Smelley TE 6'2" 237 Alabama 48.5
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Here's is my acutal simulcast draft. Thought this thread was the best place for it. Quote:
My Real-Time Draft
Round 1
#4 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
#22 Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
Round 2
#37 Cordy Glenn OT Georgia
Round 3
#87 Lamar Miller RB Miami
Round 4
#100 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
#118 Jared Crick DT/DE Nebraska
#120 George Iloka FS Boise State
Round 5
#139 Marvin McNutt WR Iowa
#160 Cam Johnson DE Virginia
Round 6
#204 Emmanuel Acho OLB Texas Picked a minute before the Browns
#205 Rishard Matthews WR Nevada
Round 7
#211 Alfanzo Dennard CB Nebraska
#245 Brad Smelley FB Alabama Picked a tad too early!
#247 Jeff Demps WR/KR/ETC Florida (Olympics)
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OMG ... no WR's till the 5th round?? People would of run you out of town! 
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3. Trent Richardson 22. Brandon Weeden 37. Mitchell Scwartz I have zero complaints about the first 3 picks. 87. TY Hilton 100. Almameda Ta'amu 120. James Michael Johnson (I love that pick) 160. Ryan Miller (another good pick) 204. Emmanuel Acho 205. Billy Winn  245. Trevin Wade 247. James Brown I don't dislike the Smelly pick, but I like Brown a lot. I like what we did overall. I just don't understand the Hughes pick. The Benjamin pick, I understand, but I would have taken Hilton at 87, so no need to take Benjamin at 100.
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Since this is an exercise, I wouldn't have traded down from 67. I know it says not to do that but I realllllllly liked Posey in that spot, so I'm being a brat. Here would have been my picks: Your Picks: Round 1, Pick 3 (3): RB Trent Richardson Round 1, Pick 22 (22): OG David DeCastro Round 2, Pick 5 (37): QB Brandon Weeden Round 3, Pick 4 (67): WR DeVier Posey Round 4, Pick 5 (100): DE Jared Crick Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OLB Terrell Manning Round 6, Pick 34 (204): DT Billy Winn Round 6, Pick 35 (205): CB Alfonzo Dennard (at this point, it was worth the flyer) Round 7, Pick 38 (245): CB Trevin Wade Round 7, Pick 40 (247): TE Brad Smelley I kept Richardson, Weeden, Winn, Wade and Smelley. The latter 3, simply because they were great value picks. I ignored RT, because you can easily find a stop gap and then address it next year. Why? Because Decastro was way too good of an interior player to let slip. Sometimes, you just have to ignore need when a guy unexpectedly falls in to your lap. I think passing on Posey was also a little silly. He was a really talented WR that only dropped because of some minor (yes, even as a Michigan fan I consider that stuff minor ) off the field issues. He just seemed like a really nice WCO WR. Solid frame (6'1", 211 LBS), good speed (4.5) and nice hands. Plus he was a homestate kid. I just didn't get it.
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I think they though they could drop back in the third and still get him.
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I think they though they could drop back in the third and still get him.
He went #68 to the Texans, so that's why I would have stayed at #67 in this hypothetical.
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I like your draft better than Heck's, except I'd sub Reiff for DeCastro at 22. RT is too important to ignore for another year, imo.
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Since this is an exercise, I wouldn't have traded down from 67. I know it says not to do that but I realllllllly liked Posey in that spot, so I'm being a brat.
Here would have been my picks:
Your Picks:
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): RB Trent Richardson
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): OG David DeCastro
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): QB Brandon Weeden
Round 3, Pick 4 (67): WR DeVier Posey
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): DE Jared Crick
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OLB Terrell Manning
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): DT Billy Winn
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): CB Alfonzo Dennard (at this point, it was worth the flyer)
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): CB Trevin Wade
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): TE Brad Smelley
I kept Richardson, Weeden, Winn, Wade and Smelley. The latter 3, simply because they were great value picks.
I ignored RT, because you can easily find a stop gap and then address it next year. Why? Because Decastro was way too good of an interior player to let slip. Sometimes, you just have to ignore need when a guy unexpectedly falls in to your lap.
I think passing on Posey was also a little silly. He was a really talented WR that only dropped because of some minor (yes, even as a Michigan fan I consider that stuff minor ) off the field issues. He just seemed like a really nice WCO WR. Solid frame (6'1", 211 LBS), good speed (4.5) and nice hands. Plus he was a homestate kid. I just didn't get it.
Weeden is off the board at 22, you can only choose players who are not on the board....
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Who's to say that a team wouldn;t have traded back up to the late 1st to take Weeden if he was still available?
What if the Jaguars decided that they saw enough of Gabbert last year and wanted a QB they thought they could win with now, and moved back up to take Weeden? All it takes is one team to blow up another team's plans.
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These were mine real-time based on my big board. Two of the guys on this list that I drafted (Polk and Minnefield) fell because of medical issues I didn't know about when I made the board.
4. WR Justin Blackmon, Ok State (board #3 // Actual pick: 5)
22. OL Cordy Glenn, Georgia (board #7 // Actual pick: 41)
37. WOLB Lavonte David, Nebraska (board #15 // Actual pick: 58)
67. CB Brandon Boykin, Georgia (board #17 // Actual pick: 123)
100. DE Cam Johnson, Virginia (board #34 // Actual pick: 237)
118. RB Chris Polk, Washington (board #35 // Actual pick: UDFA/medical)
*139. WR Chris Rainey, Florida (board #57 // Actual pick: 159)
160. SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina (board #56 // Actual pick: 242)
204. SOLB Audie Cole, NC State (board #62 // Actual pick: 210)
205. OT Andrew Datko, FSU (board #65 // Actual pick: 241)
211. DT Marcus Fortson, Miami (board #66 // Actual pick: UDFA)
245. CB Chase Minnefield, Virginia (board #88 // Actual pick: UDFA)
247. RB Edwin Baker, Mich St (board #103 // Actual pick: UDFA)
*As i commented in the big board thread when the pick came up, I took #57 Rainey ahead of #56 Allen because all the other slot guys I liked had gone earlier than they were expected to in the media.
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We'll never know, but I think he'd have been there at 37. Jax is not giving up on Gabbert after 1 year. Who else was going to take him? I thought - possibly - that New England might want him since Brady's getting older, but Brady's only 34, and I don't think Belichick would take a 28-29 year old developmental guy at 29 or 31. Hell, he's the guy who found Brady in the 6th round.
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Like I said though, it only takes one team to blow up another team's plans.
There were reports that we were going to take Wright at 22 if he was available, then try to trade back into the 1st for Weeden.
Would we have? Who knows?
Bottom line is that Wright was our target, and he was gone when we picked in the 1st so we took the next guy on our board.
After the 1st round ended, we evidently had RT as the next most pressing need/value based on who was still available.
One thing is clear ..... Heckert was considerably less impressed with the receivers in this draft (after Wright) than the fans were.
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My Picks:
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): RB Trent Richardson Alabama
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): QB Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): OT Mitchell Schwartz California
Round 3, Pick 24 (87): WR Joe Adams Arkansas
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): DE Frank Alexander Oklahoma
Round 4, Pick 25 (120): LB James-Michael Johnson Nevada
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OG Ryan Miller Colorado
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): DT Billy Winn Boise St.
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): CB Chase Minnifield Virginia
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): WR Eric Page Toledo
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): TE Brad Smelley Alabama
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We'll never know, but I think he'd have been there at 37. Jax is not giving up on Gabbert after 1 year. Who else was going to take him? I thought - possibly - that New England might want him since Brady's getting older, but Brady's only 34, and I don't think Belichick would take a 28-29 year old developmental guy at 29 or 31. Hell, he's the guy who found Brady in the 6th round.
Denver is my guess. They have Manning and Hanie and ended up taking Osweiler 57th overall. They had picks before our 37th and we would have had to trade ahead of them for him if we passed him at 22.
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My Simul-draft (except for rounds 6/7, since I was away from the TV). Those I looked at afterwards, but tried to make picks where I thought I'd make them. I didn't trade up to #3, but I took the trade down with Denver -- this gave me 14 picks. I would have made trade ups to target guys I want, but they are very hard to do in practice.
4 - Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
22 - Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
37 - Alshon Jeffery, WR, USC
87 - Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
100 - Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
118 - Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas
120 - Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
139 - Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State
160 - Terrell Manning, OLB, NC State
204 - Billy Winn, DT, Boise State
205 - Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
211 - B.J. Coleman, QB, Chattanooga St.
245 - Tauren Poole, RB, Tennessee
247 - Chris Owusu, WR, Stanford
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There was noise about Denver liking Osweiler going into the draft. He makes more ense with Denver since he's expected to sit for two years and that the biggest knock on him is experience. If your plan is to sit a QB behind Manning for two years, it makes a whole lot more sense to take the young QB who has all the tools than to take a guy who has limited years and athleticism but is perceived to be more able to start immediately.
FTR, I liked Osweiler as my third-favorite QB in the draft. Russell Wilson 4th. They were very close in my book. Also the tallest and shortest QBs in the draft, lol.
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Osweiler needs to completely relearn how to throw the football. If he could do that...about a big an if as possible....he could be a very good NFL QB.
Real nice prospect to develop. Unique size and athletic tools to work with.
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We'll never know, but I think he'd have been there at 37.
I think he would too ... but it's too hard to speculate who would go where if we didn't take somebody with our pick. All it takes is a team like Seattle, drafting a 3rd round-graded player two rounds early. We just have to assume like Heckert ... that the move had to be made where we made it, or else we'd miss our chance.
I was going to say you could make two lists ... one where you just re-draft in the spots listed above and a second one where you can let our picks fall to where you think they'd go (ie: Weeden in the second, Hughes in the 7th, etc) and also do it with or without the trades we made (ie: pick Blackmon 4th and make three extra selections later) ... but I thought for the sake of sanity and conistancy ... just make it a straight re-draft.
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My Picks:
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): RB Trent Richardson Alabama
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): QB Brandon Weeden Oklahoma State
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): OT Mitchell Schwartz California
Round 3, Pick 24 (87): WR Joe Adams Arkansas
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): DE Frank Alexander Oklahoma
Round 4, Pick 25 (120): LB James-Michael Johnson Nevada
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): OG Ryan Miller Colorado
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): DT Billy Winn Boise St.
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): CB Chase Minnifield Virginia
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): WR Eric Page Toledo
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): TE Brad Smelley Alabama
No complaints with that draft.
My only real beef with what we did was taking Hughes in the 3rd round. I thought Weeden would more than likely be available in the 2nd round, so he was a bit of a reach in the 1st ... but I'm alright with the pick. most the 3rd day picks were pretty good though.
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I will say this about the trade up for Weeden.
The donks were next off the board in the 2nd to take a qb, Osweiler. They picked right ahead of us at 36, so it could be argued the donks were a possible landing spot for Weeden had we not taken him at 22.
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If they truly wanted Weeden, that makes me feel that much better about the pick. Considering they signed a 35+ year old QB who just came off neck surgery.
Ya know, like "Hey we got Peyton Manning, but in case his neck becomes a problem, we have this guy who can step in right away, it's worth a 1"
When you factor that in for the Broncos,and then factor it in for us? HUGE value.
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I will say this about the trade up for Weeden.
The donks were next off the board in the 2nd to take a qb, Osweiler. They picked right ahead of us at 36, so it could be argued the donks were a possible landing spot for Weeden had we not taken him at 22.
Good stuff right here!
For people saying that Weeden would have been there in the 2nd round, I say... no way. There was talk that the Jags were in talks with Houston to move BACK into the 1st round to grab Weeden so they could pair him with Blackmon. Even if he slipped into the 2nd, I say it is a good certainty that someone would have jumped over us and grabbed him.
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If he's good, people will look back and say "Thank God we took him at 22 and didn't screw around with the second round or trying to trade back into round 1 while giving up future picks"
If he's your guy, just go get him and don't worry about where you take him. That's always overrated and will continue to be as long as they keep doing the draft.
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I like Weeden, i think he's the 3rd best QB in this draft and maybe even end up better then RG3 but my problem is his age. It will probably take a couple of years for him to hit his stride and by then he'll be 31 so we will probably only get 3 to 5 years out him where he'll be at the top of his game and then have to look for his replacement.
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I will say this about the trade up for Weeden.
The donks were next off the board in the 2nd to take a qb, Osweiler. They picked right ahead of us at 36, so it could be argued the donks were a possible landing spot for Weeden had we not taken him at 22.
Good stuff right here!
For people saying that Weeden would have been there in the 2nd round, I say... no way. There was talk that the Jags were in talks with Houston to move BACK into the 1st round to grab Weeden so they could pair him with Blackmon. Even if he slipped into the 2nd, I say it is a good certainty that someone would have jumped over us and grabbed him.
Everyone is basing this another team will picked him up before 37 on assumptions. Not everyone believes that he would have been gone by then. People are using this excuse as an easy way to try to prove their point by shutting down the conversation..
P1: Weeden could have been drafted at 37.
P2: No No No, he'd be gone before then..
P1: I don't see any team from 22 to 37 that will pick him or trade up fo....
P2: NO NO NO, he'd be gone by then.
P1: I don't see Jax picking him, I don't think they'd give up on Gab..
P2: No, Weeden would have been gone.
P1: Seattle sure wouldn't, they just investing in Flyn...
P2: A team would have trade up and got Weeden.
You might think he would have been gone by then, though not everyone has the same belief. The only team that would make any sense is I believe the Broncos, but I don't see them investing in a 29 year old QB to sit behind Peyton and I think picking a QB that high to be a backup is an expensive backup. The Broncos pick Osweiler to groom him and let him develop, which is something Weeden has little time to do. Any team that was to pick Weeden would draft him to be thrown in as the starter or soon-to-be starter.
But the rule in question is a silly rule that looks to only exist to prevent people from putting Weeden at 37 because he was picked "early" at 22. If you want to have a rule based like that because "another team would have drafted the player you previously picked" then the whole premise of this exercise is flawed. Lets say we did pick Reiff instead of Weeden at 22. The Lions don't pick Reiff andwill need to pick someone else, then the pick the Lions pick wouldn't have been picked by another team and down the line which creates a whole different draft where the Lions might have pick Doug Martin instead or lets say Stephen Hill. Any alteration in the draft changes the entire draft and down the road and it still may not affect the pick we made "early" and might still keep him on the board at our next pick. It's something we will never know.
That said.. I'd ignore the silly rule and here is my alteration.
1a) Richardson
1b) DeCastro
2) Weeden
3) Schwartz
I can just keep the rest the same. It still doesn't solve our WR problem, though I would love that OL, and we still keep Weeden.
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that conversation works until you realize that teams are allowed to trade, teams knew we needed a QB and that they'd likely have to jump us for the next QB. and, a team that may have wanted Weeden may have also not liked the other options there, so it's hard to gauge on "next to draft a QB"
I didn't like Weeden as a prospect, but I do understand their desire to make sure that we got him.
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I didn't like Weeden as a prospect, but I do understand their desire to make sure that we got him.
This is what I'm saying!
I like Weeden as a prospect, but why can't people who don't at least have this mindset?
Fact is, the Front Office determined Weeden is an NFL capable Quarterback. Something we did NOT have on this roster.
If your Quarterback is available, you get him, you don't risk waiting. Period.
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Ok, I'll play along (purely by the picks that we actually used):
Round 1, Pick 3 (3): Richardson,RB, Bama (I came around on him late, but I did)
Round 1, Pick 22 (22): Glenn, OT, UGa (I had him above Reiff)
Round 2, Pick 5 (37): J.Robinson, CB, UCF (CBs really poor later)
Round 3, Pick 24 (87): N.Foles, QB, Zona
Round 4, Pick 5 (100): James-Michael Johnson, LB, Nev (or I could wait till 120 and pick Marvin here, either way)
Round 4, Pick 25 (120): M.Jones, WR, Cal
Round 5, Pick 25 (160): J.Criner, WR, Zona
Round 6, Pick 34 (204): E.Acho, LB, Tx (good value)
Round 6, Pick 35 (205): B.Winn, DE, Boise (good value)
Round 7, Pick 38 (245): T.Wade, CB, Zona (I don't know, so I'll defer)
Round 7, Pick 40 (247): B.Smelley, TE/HB, Bama (I like the duel-headed Bama backfield idea at least)
with how the WR boards seemed so different from person to person, I understand why they waited on one. Benjamin wasn't one of the guys on my list, but it's possible they see more in him and that Harris was holding him back.
I obviously don't have a guy who is going to take away Colt's job right away, but I think Foles has a ton of talent and is a good backup option while still being able to use the high spots on addressing other starting positions. I went with a CB2 because the CB-dropoff is pretty big in the #37-#87 slots.
Outside of that, I liked our LBers we grabbed, so I kept them. I grabbed a couple of my favorite WRs and I left the late picks alone because at that pointe we are all guessing (thought about putting in Chris Polk, but who knows how bad his shoulders are to get him not drafted).
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that conversation works until you realize that teams are allowed to trade, teams knew we needed a QB and that they'd likely have to jump us for the next QB. and, a team that may have wanted Weeden may have also not liked the other options there, so it's hard to gauge on "next to draft a QB"
I didn't like Weeden as a prospect, but I do understand their desire to make sure that we got him.
I do keep trading up a possibility and I still don't think any team would have traded up to pick Weeden up in the late 1st to early 2nd.
Arizona Cardinals - Just spent a fortune keeping Kolb.
Atlanta Falcons - He's not replacing Matt Ryan
Baltimore Ravens - Flacco, nope
Buffalo Bills - Fitzpatrick is the man in Buffalo and don't see them changing quite so soon.
Carolina Panthers - Cam was just drafted last year and had a great year
Chicago Bears - There are still stuck on Cutler
Cincinnati Bengals - Dalton
Cleveland Browns - Us
Dallas Cowboys - Tony Romo for as much as people want to bag on him is the Cowboy's QB
Denver Broncos - Just signed Manning to a rich deal and expect him to play this year. They are not going to draft his backup in the 1st or 2nd round. What they did pick was a prospect to groom for post-Manning
Detroit Lions - Stafford
Green Bay Packers - Rodgers!
Houston Texans - Schaub and TJ Yates.
Indianapolis Colts - I don't see them picking QBs back to back especially after grabbing the #1 prospect
Jacksonville Jaguars - Seems logical and probable, though I don't think they are giving up on Gabbert yet.
Kansas City Chiefs - The other possible choice, though Do they give up on Cassel?
Miami Dolphins - Picked up Tannehill
Minnesota Vikings Ponder Experment still active
New England Patriots - Brady, though getting older is not going to be replaced by a qb 5 years younger and has a succesor in the wings from last year's draft
New Orleans Saints - Still trying to work with Brees and lack of ammo
New York Giants - E. Manning
New York Jets - Sanchez is the Jet's Romo and plus Tebow
Oakland Raiders - Carson Palmer was an expensive trade to give up on.
Philadelphia Eagles - Don't see them replacing Vick with Weeden
Pittsburgh Steelers - Big Ben still has some limbs to lose.
San Diego Chargers - Rivers will run dry in San Diego, though not for awhile still.
San Francisco 49ers - Alex Smith is actually working out and Kaepernick
Seattle Seahawks - Spent a lot of FA on Flynn, not picking up Weeden to compete with their prize.
St. Louis Rams - Bradford, not yet. Would have picked up RGiii at 2 if they wanted a QB
Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Freeman stil running free in TB
Tennessee Titans - Locker is being groomed by the Hass
Washington Redskins - No ammo to trade up.. and plus RGiii
Out of 32 teams, only 2 were slight possibilities and 1 of them already picked a QB last year that I don't think they would replace with a 29 year old prospect. And the other I think would stick with their current qb and didn't pick another qb in the draft anyways.
Weeden's age is why he wasn't a top 10 choice. And if any team does pick him, it would/should be to be their starter. He's not going to be picked to sit behind a starter to learn and grow into the position after the current qb runs out of gas. There were not many teams that Weeden would have fit into like this. Miami and Cleveland are the two major choices with Miami being the front runner, though they picked Tannehill at 7. That leaves Cleveland and the minor players KC and Jax and I didn't seeKC giving up on Cassel until the next year or two and Gabbert gets another shot this year before they declare him a bust.
But then again, this is my opinion and feelings and like anyone else's it isn't quite worth much because either way either one of us could have been right or wrong on this. I just personaly do think Weeden would have been there at 37.
But I think your last sentence is the best to explain this rather than just saying as if it were a fact that Weeden would have been gone at 37. They did do what they felt they had to do to make sure they got the guy they wanted, I just feel they could have waited.
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Out of 32 teams, only 2 were slight possibilities
And all it takes is 1.
And, I still don't believe either had the desire to trade up to grab Weeden. You can keep repeating that "He wouldn't have been gone at 37" mantra it doesn't mean that it was going to happen, just as much as me saying that he was going to be there at 37 isn't going to mean that he would. But I do believe he still would have been sitting there at 37 just as much as he was there at 22.
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All I know is the guys who were sitting in that draft room, working the phone lines, analyzing every angle felt like if we wanted him, we needed to draft him at #22.
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The Browns obviously felt that it was too important to get him to leave it to chance. They took him at 22 and eliminated any chance that they would wind up in the same QB quagmire we were stuck in last year.
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I could see a number of the teams on that list viewing him as a back-up and not really grooming him for the starting job.. San Fran and Pittsburgh both come to mind as teams that could use a guy like Weeden and they don't have that many other needs so they could afford the risk. But like somebody else said, it only takes one. And could you see this board if we waited until 37 and he got picked at 35 and word got out that we wanted him at 37? All of the people blasting the pick would be blaming H&H for waiting and getting undercut AGAIN like they did for RGIII...
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All I know is the guys who were sitting in that draft room, working the phone lines, analyzing every angle felt like if we wanted him, we needed to draft him at #22.
Needed and wanted are two different things andthey may have simply just wanted to pick him at 22. If reports are true that we would have picked Kendell Wright except that Tenn picked him beforehand leads me to believe they really didn't think that they HAD to draft Weeden at 22, but maybe it was just how they had him slotted on their "big" board or was just a panic move.
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well, SF did just spend a 2nd rounder on Kaepernick as their backup QB in the 2011 draft.
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well, SF did just spend a 2nd rounder on Kaepernick as their backup QB in the 2011 draft.
I don't think they expected him to be Alex Smith's backup. I think they originally had him slotted to replace Alex Smith, who had a banner year for a change.
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