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Don't know if this has been posted or if you have seen this yet... Cleveland Browns WR Greg Little is Already a Forgotten Man This Offseason, Which is a Good Thing The 2012 NFL Draft is in the rear view mirror and draft analysts, experts and team fan bases across the country are now heavily judging their team's picks. This is also true for the Cleveland Browns, as their fan base is now tearing into the team for seemingly ignoring the wide receiver position early in the draft. Cleveland did pick up one WR in the fourth round when they grabbed speedy Travis Benjamin, who was one of the fastest receivers at the NFL Combine. But was that enough? Too many analysts and experts have already labeled Browns WR Greg Little as only a No. 2 receiver, but this judgement has come after only his rookie season, where he played football for the first time in approximately 12 months due to his season-long suspension at UNC. And others have completely forgotten about Little altogether is their need for the team to pick another top WR. Ridiculous? You bet. Little is the forgotten piece in the Browns' offense this offseason with nearly every person seeking out the Browns to select a receiver high in the draft. He is even more forgotten now that Cleveland has drafted both running back Trent Richardson and quarterback Brandon Weeden in the first round. With the spotlight focusing in on Richardson and Weeden, this gives Little the opportunity to quietly go about his business of developing and growing into a better WR in his second year—which can also be one of the more difficult years to progress through for a young wideout. Thanks to the great statisticians over on Pro Football Focus, let's quickly look at why Little could be much better then anyone really gives him credit for. Yes he had 14 dropped passes last season, but he was a rookie who was as green as can be having not played organized football for about a year's time. Rookies drop passes and Little did as well. Take away the four drops he had in Week 12 against Cincinnati and his total falls to 10. Heck, if you take away all his drops for the year Little's catch percentage jumps from 54 percent of the passes thrown his way caught, up to 62 percent. Imagine a QB, like Weeden, throwing him passes with a stronger arm and better ball placement. This should iron itself out in the 2012 season, in theory. To compare the top 2011 rookie receiver, A.J. Green, in catch percentage, Green caught 56 percent of passes in his direction with only five drops. Take that comparison as you will. The point being, Little faced higher odds than Green due to his suspension and the fact Little is also a converted running back who only played as a receiver for one full season (2009) prior to his rookie year in Cleveland. Weeden, being a part of Cleveland's West Coast offense, should help Little in more ways besides being able to get him the ball quicker with more velocity and more accurately since his maturity and leadership should come into play to help put Little in the right spot to make bigger plays. Weeden needs to think of Little as his new version of Justin Blackmon. Add Richardson to the offensive mix and opposing defenses will be bringing a safety up to help stop the run. This should open up lanes for Little to take a seat in zone coverages or find an open seam down the field. Either way you look at it, Weeden and Richardson will get the majority of the headlines this upcoming season, but don't count out Little just yet. He is clearly under-the-radar, which is nothing but a good thing for him, Weeden and the Browns in 2012. From: http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2012/05/cleveland-browns-wr-greg-little-is.html?m=1
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Yes he had 14 dropped passes last season, but he was a rookie who was as green as can be having not played organized football for about a year's time. Rookies drop passes and Little did as well. Take away the four drops he had in Week 12 against Cincinnati and his total falls to 10.
Heck, if you take away all his drops for the year Little's catch percentage jumps from 54 percent of the passes thrown his way caught, up to 62 percent. Imagine a QB, like Weeden, throwing him passes with a stronger arm and better ball placement. This should iron itself out in the 2012 season, in theory.
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Little is far from the forgotten man. He's the one name that people recognize when talking about the Browns receivers. But he isn't the key to the receiving group.
Massaquoi is the key.
Little had a very successful rookie season by all accounts, and very few people making projections feel that his drops are going to be what they were last year. We should expect more production which is the good news. The bad news is that if we don't get Massaquoi back on track from the concussions we only have one starting receiver on this team.
It's my opinion that we're going to see a born-again receiver in Mass. He's had an entire off-season to recover from the multiple bell-ringings, and he's not catching passes from an under-armed, scatter-shot QB. What are we going to get out of him? That's the real question, but I believe if he doesn't get his clock cleaned again he'll give us very much what we started to see in his rookie season.
Little isn't the key. Mass is. Taking that a step further, Watson has to play a huge role as well.
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I hope Little improves this season. He showed some flashes as a rook, but the drops are inexcusable (except if you're YTown and think everything is McCoy's fault  ). If he learns to focus on the ball more, I think he can be our version of Green Bay's Jordy Nelson. That would be a good thing.  Now we have to find him some help because the rest of our WR corp is awful. Hopefully, Benjamin can develop into a DeSean Jackson-esque type of player, but I'd be surprised if that happened as a rookie. We'll see what happens...
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Still believing in Massa?
I think he was, is and will be a crappy WR no matter how many chances he'll get..never seen a WR with a worse body language on teh field...he plays like he doesn't care, never fights for balls and is the worst WR I've ever seen adjusting to balls in the air
Since he can't play the slot and is useless for ST play he has to be an outside no2 WR or we will cut him...I think Cribbs is a better no2 than Massa, and I dont want Cribbs to be our no2. At best (or "worst" for us) he gets another early season chance like Robo, but I'm pretty sure he will disappoint again, so I prefer to just cut him and rotate Cribbs/Benjamin outside opposite Little
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No, I don't believe in him, which is why I said what I said. Goofball! 
Yeah, his body language sucked....last year. Concussions and getting hung out to dry by McCoy does that to a player.
And yeah, I think he can be an adequate #2. He showed plenty of promise as a rookie when a QB with an NFL arm was throwing the ball, hitting that gaudy 18+ yards per catch. When McCoy took over his production went to Hell.
McCoy is gone. An NFL arm is here. Mass has had time to recover from his bell-ringings. And he's 25 years old.
There's reason to project improvement from him.
Supporting my belief is the Scouts. Inc scouting report: Quote:
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Comment: Massaquoi is a good combination of size, strength and athleticism. He has deceptive speed with good body control and quickness as a route runner. He has strength to get off of press coverage and to break tackles after the catch. He still is raw as a route runner but has made marked improvements. Massaquoi has strong hands that are reliable in traffic. He can be a physical blocker on the perimeter and gives great effort in the running game.
Before anyone gets hung up on that 70 number, that does not equate to a C- grade. That's grade equates to a good-to-average NFL receiver.
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I disagree. Massaquoi was OK when Edwards was commanding all kinds of attention. The truth is, he loses 1-1 against most CBs in this league and isn't aggressive enough on the ball. Gaffney would have been an upgrade if we would have pursued him. I know... perhaps Carlton Mitchell will experience a professional epiphany and we'll all be dropping our jaws at how good our WRs are!
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Hard to get back on track when you were never really on one to begin with.
My prediction is Massa won't be on the team come Game 1.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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He had a successful rookie season. Getting him back on track means continuing that developmental curve.
It'll be a monumental shock if he's not on the team on opening day. I fully expect him to be the "starter" opposite Little.
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Yes he had 14 dropped passes last season, but he was a rookie who was as green as can be having not played organized football for about a year's time. Rookies drop passes and Little did as well. Take away the four drops he had in Week 12 against Cincinnati and his total falls to 10.
Heck, if you take away all his drops for the year Little's catch percentage jumps from 54 percent of the passes thrown his way caught, up to 62 percent. Imagine a QB, like Weeden, throwing him passes with a stronger arm and better ball placement. This should iron itself out in the 2012 season, in theory.
Oh boy.
his next article will be about how if you take out all the runs where Hardesty was stuffed at the line, his YPC goes up a ton.
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Little is far from the forgotten man. He's the one name that people recognize when talking about the Browns receivers. But he isn't the key to the receiving group.
Massaquoi is the key.
i agree 100% with that. Massaquoi is the "Key Log" here, the one that breaks the log jam. If he performs, all 3 get better, and Cleveland gets hard to cover.
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Weak article...what ifs are stupid..
Little is more of a lynchpin for our WR corps. If he does his job well, it'll make our other guys jobs easier as teams will have to look to give him attention. Then guys like Benjamin, MoMass (yuck), and so on...will have an easier job.
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I think monumental shock is a little strong. I agree it would be a shock, however.
I just don't think he's very good. And has a bad attitude to boot.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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If I were him, I'd have a bad attitude.
The guy has gotten his bell rung needlessly so many times on this team that I doubt he remembers the third grade.
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just clicking Does any of this matter,,, ,whatever he did wrong last year, was McCoys fault, anything he did well last year was dispite what McCoy did. 
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I think that Massaquoi will start to "recover" this year.
I do not expect him to hit that 19 yards/catch that he had as a rookie, but I do expect him to become effective again. Getting thrown into coverage all the time had to have an impact on him, and on all of the receivers really. If we start getting him the ball with a chance to make plays .... well that seems to be what really gets him going.
He went through the ankle injury, and the concussion last year. He started out the year well, then defenses started comtracting on the Browns, he got hurt, and his production went to hell.
When I look at the receivers as a whole last year, our best receiver averaged a whopping 12.6 yards/catch. (Other than Wallace who had 1 catch for 21 yards) That's horrifying. It means theat receivers were not getting the ball in space, and where they could make a play with the ball in their hands.
Greg Little averaged 11.6 yards/catch ..... and I remember at least half a dozen catches where he dragged the defense on his back for extra yards. Massaquoi isn't a "carry the defense down the field" type of receiver.
I expect this to improve a great deal with a QB who throws down the field. I think that Massaquoi will be called upon to catch the ball in space more, especially if teams start cheating up again this year. I don't think that we will struggle against single cover on the outside this year nearly as much as we did last year.
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You guys are really setting yourselves up for disappointment with Massa.
Did McCoy suck? Yes.
Was Shurmur's O terrible in general? Yes.
Does that mean Massa is any good? No.
Other than decent hands, what does he bring to the table?
Size? No.
Speed? No.
Leaping ability? No.
Effort? No.
He flashed opposite BE his rookie year. That's it. There is nothing to really hang your hat on here.
Do I expect him to improve with better QB play? Yes, of course. I'm not saying that won't happen. Do I expect him to be a part of the future of this team? Nope.
I'd love for him to prove me wrong, and I'd gladly admit I was off base. I just don't see any signs that would lead me to believe that will happen.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Heck, if you take away all his drops for the year Little's catch percentage jumps from 54 percent of the passes thrown his way caught, up to 62 percent. Imagine a QB, like Weeden, throwing him passes with a stronger arm and better ball placement. This should iron itself out in the 2012 season, in theory.
Take away all of his drops and McCoy completed over 60% of his passes for over 3000 yards in 13 games...
In fact if you take away all 43 dropped passes, Colt would have completed 67% of his passes for close 3300 yards in 13 games...
And none of that even takes into consideration that drives would have been extended which would have given us more opportunities.
This is fun, any other stats he would like to manipulate or excuse or just blame on Colt?
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Little has the potential to be one of the best receivers in the league. Athletically, he is a freak. The size, speed, balance, vertical and he has much better hands than what he showed last year. I was blown away last year when I saw him working with AJ Green and Michael Irvin.
Cribbs and Norwood in the slot have value. Different skill sets but they can play.
I am a big beleiver in 3rd year being the charm for receivers, Carlton Mitchell is my sleeper this year on offense. He and Benjamin give us some speed that can really wear down opposing corners (makes it real interesting with that kind of speed going hard downfield and you have Richardson drawing all the attention.
I think we will know a lot about this team before they ever play their first preseason game.
Mo is another homerun threat. Delhomme loved the guy. Maybe he will mesh with Weeden. I think we will see a lot more of Moore also.
Weeden will have some weapons and we aren't void of athletic targets either.
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He was the 2nd best receiver we had last year in terms of yards/catch at 12.4 yards/catch. That's awful, but I think that a huge part of that was due to ineffective QB play.
I simply see no way for a receiver to be effective when the QB is horribly ineffective. I'm not saying that I expect Massaquoi to turn into a superstar ...... but I do think tha he can approach average NFL starter level.
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Greg Little does not have good speed. I love his toughness and glad he's on our team.
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I have hope that MoMass would finally get over his "hard knocks" but I don't see it happening. I agree with the article that the success of our passing game relies on the abilities of Weeden and Little. With Little getting the bulk of attention, MoMass should open up a bit. Mass does show a handfull of brilliant catches each year, but the ringer he took from Harrison (I still can't believe no foul was called  ) really effed him up in the head long term.
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Little has good speed ..... just not great speed. He ran a 4.51, which is solid for his size. I will always remember Calvin Johnson borrowing a pair of shoes at the combine, because we originally wasn't going to run ....... then burning the rubber off the soles by putting up a 4.35 in those borrowed shoes. 
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There are different philosophies and strategies towards building a team.
I could see Massa being replaced with a better player in a year or two. I suspect this will be the case. Only superb players tend to make it in this league beyond their rookie contracts.
I could also see him being the #2 on this team for years to come. Its not that important of a position...just look at who the patriots field. Not the biggest problem in the world to have an average - below average #2 wide receiver.
McCoy really did throw some nasty concussion causing throws last season. Who knows..Weeden might throw even more of them... but thats really a good way to sour me as a fan. Ben Watson is my favorite Brown at the moment...wasn't happy to watch him get 3 concussions and now I have a bit if a grudge against McCoy for it.
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230lbs and 4.5 speed that is freaking fast.
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As a WR in the NFL, 6'3", 220, 4.51 does not equate to "freak".. it equates to average. His 40.5" vertical is good and whether or not he has better hands is something we will just have to see him prove..
One thing I will say is that his 27 reps on the bench puts him up near OL/DL territory and make him physically stronger than most LBs... I believe all of that added bulk through his upper arms, shoulders, and chest is part of his problem when it comes to catching the ball.
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And robiskie ran a 4.48 at the combine.
Little doesn't play fast. The only time he ran away from someone was last year on that busted 77-yarder. But that was a linebacker.
Still, I think he's very valuable to the team.
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I love Greg Little, I think he's a perfect fit for the AFCN. He's strong, physical, tough. He has some issues with drops, that I hope he can overcome.
With all that said, I don't think he's a #1 or ever will be. I think he can be a damn good #2.
Honestly there isn't anything wrong with that. Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson are not prototypical #1 recievers, but in that offense with Rodgers, it works, and it's pretty lethal at times.
And Toad, I hope you're right about MoMass. I have my doubts. I'm pulling for him though. Good guy.
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Ben Watson is my favorite Brown at the moment...wasn't happy to watch him get 3 concussions and now I have a bit if a grudge against McCoy for it.
He got one of those on the first day of camp, the second on a play against Seattle when the ball wasn't even thrown to him and the last one against Pittsburgh when he did, in fact, get lit up as the ball got close to him... why do you have a grudge against McCoy?
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Little reminds me a TON of Boldin. Tough as nails, great size, okay hands. He'll get you the first down, break some tackles, and maybe make some really spectacular plays every once and a while.
As for MoMass, I don't know. He has average size, average speed, good hands, and okay route running. I think he'll be better without McCoy not being able to fit the ball where it needs to be, but I'm not expecting 60 catches and 1,000 yards anytime soon.
MoMass is a guy without a position at WR. He's not a good enough route runner to be on the outside, and he isn't fast/shifty enough to be a slot guy. 4th WR until he proves he can run a route that isn't straight down the sideline.
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He got one of those on the first day of camp, the second on a play against Seattle when the ball wasn't even thrown to him and the last one against Pittsburgh when he did, in fact, get lit up as the ball got close to him... why do you have a grudge against McCoy?
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Heck, if you take away all his drops for the year Little's catch percentage jumps from 54 percent of the passes thrown his way caught, up to 62 percent. Imagine a QB, like Weeden, throwing him passes with a stronger arm and better ball placement. This should iron itself out in the 2012 season, in theory.
Take away all of his drops and McCoy completed over 60% of his passes for over 3000 yards in 13 games...
In fact if you take away all 43 dropped passes, Colt would have completed 67% of his passes for close 3300 yards in 13 games...
And none of that even takes into consideration that drives would have been extended which would have given us more opportunities.
This is fun, any other stats he would like to manipulate or excuse or just blame on Colt?
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Does any of this matter,,, ,whatever he did wrong last year, was McCoys fault, anything he did well last year was dispite what McCoy did.
Let's forget all about the dirty play of James Harrison. Does that factor in at all? Or that the offense was so predictable that the defense was jumping those routes?
What about one of the greater nuances of the position and that is that the WR has to sell/setup the CB, so he is guessing what route or combination
route your running.
Nope that has nothing at all to do with getting your bell rung. 
Greg Little doesn't make the unit good in himself. One player/WR is easily taken away with a defense. You need to have more playmakers or he is going to have a long day and will not be as effective.
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When outside receivers are running against either single cover, or no coverage at all, then there is nothing wrong with the play call/design.
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When outside receivers are running against either single cover, or no coverage at all, then there is nothing wrong with the play call/design.
Okay ... And what's your point?
What I was referring to was tendencies.
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When guys are running on the outside against single coverage, that's a QB's wet dream. Offenses are designed to get those single coverages. If the offense gets players in one on one situations, then the offensive design is solid.
If the QB cannot, or will not throw the damn ball to guys who are single covered, then there is little hope for him.
I reflect back to Bernie Kosar. He loved getting blitzed because he knew that he would have single coverage somewhere, Unfortunately, McCoy doesn't see the opportunities on the outside, and he prefers to take the safest throws, short, and over the middle.
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When guys are running on the outside against single coverage, that's a QB's wet dream. Offenses are designed to get those single coverages. If the offense gets players in one on one situations, then the offensive design is solid.
If the QB cannot, or will not throw the damn ball to guys who are single covered, then there is little hope for him.
I reflect back to Bernie Kosar. He loved getting blitzed because he knew that he would have single coverage somewhere, Unfortunately, McCoy doesn't see the opportunities on the outside, and he prefers to take the safest throws, short, and over the middle.
For the most part that is what you have with a true WCO. I would much rather see our QB check down if there is nothing deep. At least make it a positive play instead of putting the ball up for grabs, because the last I looked at our roster we did not have an AJ Green or Megatron there and we also did not have any QB/WR chemistry. The stuff that Rogers does such as throwing his receivers open is only possible, because of their familiarity with each other in the same offense for years. Where not their yet. Apples to oranges.
did you hear that we Drafted a QB in the first round. You have beaten that poor horse to death my man.
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