Quote: When guys are running on the outside against single coverage, that's a QB's wet dream. Offenses are designed to get those single coverages. If the offense gets players in one on one situations, then the offensive design is solid.
If the QB cannot, or will not throw the damn ball to guys who are single covered, then there is little hope for him.
Why throw the ball to guys who will probably just drop the damn thing anyway (assuming they gain any separation to begin with)?
[color:"white"]"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
If he seriously thought that they were going to drop it thus him not throwing it, then he is mentally weak and deserves to have his ass stapled to the bench forever.
Quote: Ben Watson is my favorite Brown at the moment...wasn't happy to watch him get 3 concussions and now I have a bit if a grudge against McCoy for it.
He got one of those on the first day of camp, the second on a play against Seattle when the ball wasn't even thrown to him and the last one against Pittsburgh when he did, in fact, get lit up as the ball got close to him... why do you have a grudge against McCoy?
ok, one more time. Cribbs, Hillis, Watson, McCoy, and Massaquoi.
These were your most experienced and most reliable when the chips were down, all of last year. McCoy was there because he was the starting QB, McCoy will have some snaps, but Weeden will probably play a major role.
Hillis is off the team.
That leaves, Cribbs, Watson, and Massaquoi. Mohamed Massaquoi, is the #1 or #1a receiver on this team, he has a year more experience than Little, and Little was coming on strong last year.
Other players, Whether it is Norwood, Evan Moore, Marecic, Alex Smith, Carlton Mitchell, Montario Hardesty, Brandon Jackson, Gronkowski, or Jordan Cameron, or Ogbonnaya, are still important and have proven themselves in limited production, but When the chips are down and the defense is tight and the tough play, and consistent procduction.
The players I Know are going to be there in the clutch are Cribbs, Watson, Massaquoi, and you can probably add to that list, who? Little, yes Ogbonnaya, maybe Hardesty, probably, Evan Moore, yes Norwood, not yet, Rookies? We'll see, Weeden?, Well the starting Qb has to be a go to guy, he always starts with the ball in his hands.
I'm going to have High Hopes and medium expectations. The one man to blame, the one man with whom the Buck stops has got to be Pat Schurmur.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
I'd like to see the Browns run a play with all the speed guys Buster Skrine, Travis Benjamin, and Carlton Mitchell. Have those track stars run go routes to take the whole secondary with them and then hand the ball off to T Rich. This way T Rich can run over Ray Lewis without having to worry about where the safeties are.
Quote: ok, one more time. Cribbs, Hillis, Watson, McCoy, and Massaquoi.
These were your most experienced and most reliable when the chips were down, all of last year. McCoy was there because he was the starting QB, McCoy will have some snaps, but Weeden will probably play a major role.
Hillis is off the team.
That leaves, Cribbs, Watson, and Massaquoi. Mohamed Massaquoi, is the #1 or #1a receiver on this team, he has a year more experience than Little, and Little was coming on strong last year.
Other players, Whether it is Norwood, Evan Moore, Marecic, Alex Smith, Carlton Mitchell, Montario Hardesty, Brandon Jackson, Gronkowski, or Jordan Cameron, or Ogbonnaya, are still important and have proven themselves in limited production, but When the chips are down and the defense is tight and the tough play, and consistent procduction.
The players I Know are going to be there in the clutch are Cribbs, Watson, Massaquoi, and you can probably add to that list, who? Little, yes Ogbonnaya, maybe Hardesty, probably, Evan Moore, yes Norwood, not yet, Rookies? We'll see, Weeden?, Well the starting Qb has to be a go to guy, he always starts with the ball in his hands.
I'm going to have High Hopes and medium expectations. The one man to blame, the one man with whom the Buck stops has got to be Pat Schurmur.
Quote: The players I Know are going to be there in the clutch are Cribbs, Watson, Massaquoi, and you can probably add to that list, who? Little, yes Ogbonnaya, maybe Hardesty, probably, Evan Moore, yes Norwood, not yet, Rookies? We'll see, Weeden?, Well the starting Qb has to be a go to guy, he always starts with the ball in his hands.
I'm going to have High Hopes and medium expectations. The one man to blame, the one man with whom the Buck stops has got to be Pat Schurmur.
You KNOW that list of players is "going to be there in the clutch"?! Yet that list contains Hardesty? Even as a "probably" you've highly over valued the guy. I can't even count on him to be healthy let alone do anything more than to run up the backs of our OL. Moore? Really. I know he's fun to talk about but if we're relying on him 'in the clutch' we're screwed. Man pass the koolaide. Cuz I need a trip off this planet too.
Toad, I have my doubts about MoMass. He looks to be playing scared to me.
We shall see. If he doesn't produce this year he will not get another contract.
Another guy who has to be productive is Carlton Mitchell. This guy has been on the roster for three years and has done zero. He was drafted for his speed. They knew he needed time to develop. Well his time is up if he can't get on the field this camp.
"Playing scared"...Shell-shocked is probably more applicable. He took a bunch of shots and got scared. I'm of the opinion that with a new QB and time to heal comes a fresh start for him.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy. Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
Quote: Another guy who has to be productive is Carlton Mitchell. This guy has been on the roster for three years and has done zero. He was drafted for his speed. They knew he needed time to develop. Well his time is up if he can't get on the field this camp.
I agree with what you said, but just for clarification, Mitchell is going into his third season.
Quote: I'd like to see the Browns run a play with all the speed guys Buster Skrine, Travis Benjamin, and Carlton Mitchell. Have those track stars run go routes to take the whole secondary with them and then hand the ball off to T Rich. This way T Rich can run over Ray Lewis without having to worry about where the safeties are.
Quote: Unfortunately, McCoy doesn't see the opportunities on the outside, and he prefers to take the safest throws, short, and over the middle.
Of course he doesn't see them, Shurmur had them all running 1 to 5 yard routes.
That's how it seemed to me in the last half of the season. They were calling him Capt. Checkdown when in reality he was hitting his primary receiver.
Maybe that's all they ran late in the season, because that's all he threw.
It seemed to me like they closed up the playbook later in the year with McCoy rather than expanding it.It would seem like a team would open up the playbook as the year went along, and as the players became more comfortable with the plays and routes. The exact reverse seemed to happen last year.
I think that there was a reason for that ..... and that the fact that you can only ignore your outside guys so completely and still expect them to go all out on deeper outside routes with no reward whatsoever. Our deep routed were decoys last year because the QB wouldn't even look at them most of the time .... and those decoys weren't even covered all the time.
I am so glad that I won't have to watch a QB stand in the pocket .... look ...... look ...... ignore the single cover ..... pat the ball ..... look .... and fire a 3 yard strike to a double covered receiver 3 yards down the field. Those are the throws that should be made on the 2nd or 3rd read ...... which should be by the time the QB's foot hits the end of his drop in many cases.
I have read a lot on the WCO, and the play trees. Generally, the WCO uses both WR, a TE, and a RB as the "zone" play tree. If the defense is in zone, there is a specific progression. However ...... if the defense is in man against an outside receiver .... then the outside receiver in man is the new #1 read. How many times did we see McCoy even look at the outside receiver covered in man? Once per game, if we were lucky? That's not how you win in the WCO. The WCO is about creating mismatches, one on one situations, and taking advantage of them. Hell, we created tons of one on one situations last year ..... and that tells me that the offense did what it was supposed to do. The QB just never pulled the trigger.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
You are so full of crap you probably ought to go to the bathroom.
Dude, yet again you are blaming everything on the old qb.
You got your wish. We have a new qb. He'd better throw for 350 yd.s per game, with a minimum of 3 td's..........or he sucks, right?
You hate colt. You love weeden. I will hold weeden to YOUR expectations of colt. Call me a colt lover - makes you look stupid - what I am is a realist.
You're a dreamer - right up until you get your wish. And suddenly you back off.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: I will hold weeden to YOUR expectations of colt.
I don't know about YTown, but my expectations for Colt last year was to look at least look like he had played the sport of football before, and at times...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
Quote: It seemed to me like they closed up the playbook later in the year with McCoy rather than expanding it.It would seem like a team would open up the playbook as the year went along, and as the players became more comfortable with the plays and routes. The exact reverse seemed to happen last year.
Shurmur seemed like he didn't have a clue last season. Nine guys in the box (we were forced to keep a RB, or TE in to help the RT block on almost every single play) which resulted in less receivers getting out in to there patterns, and every other WR running the 1 to 5 yard pattern right into the heart of the defense. We were doomed in the passing game and running game. The defense knew what to expect from our offense making it easy to shut down. Now unless we open up the offense this season, and make teams pay for sticking 9 men in the box, we are going to have a repeat of last season's offensive woes no matter who is lining up at QB, RB, or WR.
Highlights of Little's year, honestly, there is a lot there to be excited about considering the guy sat out of football an entire year, plus, only had "one season" of experience at WR to begin with. I don't know why a lot of people rip this kid apart when he's arguably (and really, not much argument neccesary) the most dynamic WR we have right now.
He makes some pretty good catches, shows what he was hyped pre-draft to have. Solid athleticism and good hands. All of his drops seemed to come in a period of a few games, he could have had some confidence issues but I think he rebounded around the Arizona game,
Honestly, looking at the kind of plays he's making. I don't know why anyone wouldn't hesitate to look at him as a #1 calibre guy, on our team right now. Forget MoMass, Cribbs is good, and with Weeden we might be able to use his skills to our advantage.
I'm hoping that Little and Weeden can develop a chemestry. Look at these videos with Colt throwing the ball, if he had a QB with a legit arm, I think he makes a lot more plays, a lot more YAC. His rookie numbers, which were good, can only get better as he continues to grow as a WR and grow comfortable and confident in the NFL. He's strong, athletic, decent hands, and the drops don't worry me like they do other people. He's not showing Braylon-like drop tendencies.
I watched both videos and can honestly say that there were maybe only two or three passes that could have allowed for more YAC with better ball placement. Can you honestly look at those videos and say a different QB would have helped Little gain more YAC?
Maybe so, routes or what have you. A lot of the YAC that Little had was his own pure athleticism making something happen on the field.
One of the things Weeden has been praised for is ball placement on his throws. If a QB is throwing the ball to the WR to the spot best for the WR to make the play (and hinder the defender) like a QB traditionally should be trying to do, I think there are plays there where Little makes a catch, and makes something happen.
Things with highlights are subjective, we can watch highlights and draw our own conclusions. My comment with the YAC is what it is, I think a better QB will get more out of our WR's, therefor, you may see more YAC depending on the play. A lot of that though, the QB does have nothing to do with so I'll concede that.
Just to see how well Little did with Colt as his QB, you can't tell me that a better QB would not benefit the WR's. I believe a QB makes the WR, not the other way around. A bad QB can make a great WR look very average, a great QB could make an average WR look good.
Yeah, exactly. I don't want to get over-excited about Greg Little, but unlike MoMass (who we're still waiting to "come around" in his 4th season) Little showed actual growth in his rookie year. I think as he gained confidence, it showed on the field.
There may be a suffering period due to team chemistry as the team gets used to a new QB but Weeden will have the advantage of OTA's, full Training Camp and pre-season to get acquainted with his new team. There's also the added advantage of having Little more-or-less already integrated as a primary target in the offense this season as opposed to last year where we had to get him up to game speed...
I'm really looking forward to how Greg Little continues to grow as a WR this year.
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I think the current combination will be a solid QB and a solid WR which will work just fine.
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