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Since I refuse to believe in superstition I'm starting to question our S&C coaches and or team docs...I mean, Dqwell twice and now Taylor? Starting too tough too early? Do you know how tough it is to get this injury?
Next man up...
One player's misfortune = another player's opportunity...
Injuries are part of the game...
I think its a little too coincidental that we addressed the interior d-line with Hughes and got a guy in Billy Winn that can also play at DT...
We will be fine. It'll give those guys some good playing time. When Phil Taylor comes back healthy, it will make Winn and Hughes hungry to compete for more playing time.
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Since I refuse to believe in superstition I'm starting to question our S&C coaches and or team docs...I mean, Dqwell twice and now Taylor? Starting too tough too early? Do you know how tough it is to get this injury?
Through out the NFL, not just the Browns, I think the S&C coaches forget that there is more to strength and conditioning than just strength. Stretching and flexibility are so important in injury prevention but guys hate to stretch.
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Since I refuse to believe in superstition I'm starting to question our S&C coaches and or team docs...I mean, Dqwell twice and now Taylor? Starting too tough too early? Do you know how tough it is to get this injury?
Next man up...
One player's misfortune = another player's opportunity...
Injuries are part of the game...
Agreed. I'm kind of not wanting to burn up a roster spot for Taylor just so he can come back in the last couple of games. If it's anything at all like I expect it to be, send him to IR.
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Since I refuse to believe in superstition I'm starting to question our S&C coaches and or team docs...I mean, Dqwell twice and now Taylor? Starting too tough too early? Do you know how tough it is to get this injury?
Through out the NFL, not just the Browns, I think the S&C coaches forget that there is more to strength and conditioning than just strength. Stretching and flexibility are so important in injury prevention but guys hate to stretch.
Bazinga!
There's a tendency among heavy lifters to just lift and go home. They don't stretch their pecs after chest day.... all that does is get your muscles tighter than a drum (and slows growth). All you need then is to be trying something like a One Rep Max and -- POP! there goes your muscle.
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I would think that our S&C coach is among the best their is in the biz to be with an NFL team. I'm leaning toward the players not doing what they're supposed to. Not that I want to debate. I just want to say 'what's done is done' & be mentally prepared to see our D, most definitely the strongest facet of the team, be w/out a solid contributor. 
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I would think that our S&C coach is among the best their is in the biz to be with an NFL team. I'm leaning toward the players not doing what they're supposed to.
brownoh...I agree, the strength and conditioning staff is very experienced and likely do their best to teach the Browns players to follow established procedures.
Just how much babysitting in the weight room is needed, might be a subject for discussion, but without any knowledge of what Taylor did to get injured or what went on before he was injured...not a whole lot to debate. Maybe we will get more information today.
By this time in their careers, even the youngest players have been around weightlifting for 4 to 8 years...certainly long enough to know what they should or should not do when in the weight room.
Sometimes, injuries just happen even when all the safety procedures are followed. Best thing the Browns players and coaches can do at this point is learn from Taylor's misfortune.
If Taylor is done for the season, look for the Browns to add someone via free agency, IF the young guys drafted are not ready to fill the position.
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I would tend to agree with that, absolutely. Different trainers & coaches may tend to have differing philosophies and beliefs, but at the core of all of them will be some common denominators o how to do things.
Getting the players to do what they're told, however, is something different altogether. Example: I *know* the above that I stated regarding stretching, but I don't do it regularly myself. I did a chest workout Wednesday and didn't stretch afterward at all.
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Apparently Shurmur made a quick announcement before camp today... officially a torn pec for Big Phil with surgery next week. Speculation is that he's likely done for the year but at the very least will miss months.
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Ugh... I was looking forward to him taking a big step forward this year. Bummer.  Get well big guy (but don't rush it... do it right)!
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yeah I've read a few places that said he is done for the season.
that sucks
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/05/cleveland_browns_dt_phil_taylo.htmlBEREA, Ohio -- Browns defensive tackle Phil Taylor tore his left pectoral muscle and will undergo surgery next week, coach Pat Shurmur said today. Taylor suffered the injury while lifting weights at the Browns training facility on Thursday. "He's going to miss a significant amount of time ... more months than weeks," Shurmur said this morning as the Browns opened their rookie minicamp. "It's too early to speculate how long that will be. It's just one of those things that happened. "It's unfortunate. We feel bad for Phil. But he's in good spirits and he's going to come back from this thing stronger than ever." Taylor was the Browns first draft pick (21 overall) in the 2011 draft. He started all 16 games last season.
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Well, I'm going to try and look at the bright side (what choice to I have)
We have two vets we picked up, we have a couple of rookies that will be thrust into the mix and we have a couple of our own guys still on the roster.
So,, we have bodies to fill the hole and out of that may emerge a real winner... then Taylor comes back and this could be one hell of a line.
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We have two vets we picked up, we have a couple of rookies that will be thrust into the mix and we have a couple of our own guys still on the roster.
So,, we have bodies to fill the hole and out of that may emerge a real winner... then Taylor comes back and this could be one hell of a line.
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ok, there does seem to be one veteran DT who has a history of being a run-plugging guy who has started a ton, isn't ancient and is a FA currently: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FranAu20.htmAubrayo Franklin. This is a guy that got the SF franchise tag just a couple of years ago. He had a stat-dropoff last year and is now 31yo but still should be very, very solid depth somewhere. Why is he still a FA?
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Man our curse lives on. Next man up I guess. Now Hughes looks like a genius move.
I sure hope we aggressively go after a FA now. I'd even like the team to take a flyer on Haynsworth. I think he's available. We absolutely will have to stop the run to win more games. I hope they don't sit on their hands with this like we see with WR.
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Of 80+ players working out why had it to be Taylor, why 1 of the few building blocks of this roster?....why not a Cousins or Schaefering? This crap just happens way too often with us..something's wrong, SC coaching, maybe team docs, supervising of these workouts...do these guys have a plan taking into account that a fat man like Taylor maybe did nothing but eat the last months and now tries to show off that he worked out? With so much time till the 1st game, why not limit and SLOWLY build up the workload...like pitchers in baseball, they don't throw 100+ pitches their 1st spring training game....this isn't "unfortunate" Mr Shurmur, this is beyond dumb and unnecessary....for pulling a pec this early in the process someone involved was an incredibly dumb human being, be it Taylor himself for showing off or the coaches/docs for not monitoring/limiting...or probably BOTH
Guys, this is a huge blow to this team...and I'm not talking 2012 only here...I have a feeling some of you don't get it yet...some pecs never really "heal", depending on where it was torn....not only does this obviously stunt his development, this can even impact his future just on a medical/health level
Im really POed about this....this stuff just shouldn't happen and it sure as heck shouldn't happen EVERY FREAKING season
These idiots better make sure this doesn't happen again or they can all go, Im serious...that's simply not professional, a workout, even months away from the 1st game is still WORK, it's their JOB..what do they do? Fart their way through the halls and have competitions who can do the most reps?....do they do this rah rah style or by sports science? Yes, Im livid about this....it's NOT unfortunate, it's inexcusable
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fire the whole Baltimore staff too. their defensive MVP is out the year from off-season conditioning afterall.
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Yeah, Im the poster with the long history of being wrong every time...dont you know it?
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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FranAu20.htm
Aubrayo Franklin. This is a guy that got the SF franchise tag just a couple of years ago. He had a stat-dropoff last year and is now 31yo but still should be very, very solid depth somewhere. Why is he still a FA?
Yeah, Bleacher Report is saying they should go after him and if not, then Tommie Harris, John Henderson of the Raiders or Marchus Thomas of the Broncos.
I already posted above that Thomas is who WalterFootball lists as the best free agent out there after Albert HeadCase.
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Do you have a link for that  Well like some one already said better now then later..Hopefully Heckert will bring in a FA...But who knows with his adversity for that plan..maybe need will outweigh philosophy
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Well.. this definitely ruined my day.
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Do you have a link for that Well like some one already said better now then later..Hopefully Heckert will bring in a FA...But who knows with his adversity for that plan..maybe need will outweigh philosophy
I honestly don't see Heckert bringing in any player with a familiar name to replace Taylor. Just doesn't seem to be his style.
Hopefully John Hughes is a quick learner.
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Hoping he's a fast healer and back in 4 months (doubt it though).
At least we have time to plan around this. Like others have said, there are FAs available that could step in and be productive.
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Taylor is an over-rated bum.....he is not that great, he isn't going to make a difference if he is there or not.
Rubin is the Cornerstone of this Defensive Line...you cna put ANYBODY next to Rubin and they will look good....Taylor only looked decent last year because of Rubin....take Rubin away and Taylor looks like trash.
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Yeah, he was awful. We're not going to miss him at all. 
Are you frickin' serious? For a rookie starter, he was more than adequate in contributing to an area that is considered one of our strengths.
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Yeah, and Mangini was a great coach Taylor had a pretty good rookie season for a DT thrown in day 1 and playing double as many snaps as other DL rooks around the league...sure, Rubin was the clear no1 DL, but he's a pretty good VET...did Rubin start 16 games and have 4 sacks as a rook? You think it's a coincidence that Rubin had his best season with Taylor next to him? He had 2 sacks combined his first 3 seasons...and with Taylor that number spiked to 5 in 2011 alone This was a huge blow to our D....Taylor helped Rubin's and Dqwell's game A LOT....Mr Hughes has some big shoes to fill, I doubt he has Taylor's disruptive ability and this is what we will miss the most
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Last year was supposedly one of the best years for defensive tackles in the last 20. Guess what, the #1 rookie DT last year was Phil Taylor. All of your posts are the same. 
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DJ...no doubt losing Taylor is a negative for the defense, but the timing of the injury will allow Heckert time to search for a replacement if our young guys are not ready to contribute.
As the last cuts are made Aug 28 and Sept 2nd, there will be some experienced DLine talent cut to allow for the addition of younger players. It is a good time to pickup DLine help with NFL experience.
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Rubin is the Cornerstone of this Defensive Line...you cna put ANYBODY next to Rubin and they will look good....Taylor only looked decent last year because of Rubin....take Rubin away and Taylor looks like trash.
We will be just fine....
Well, I'm pretty sure I'll never listen to a word you say again.. 
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I read it was a torn pec. Could be out awhile.
He will be..just like Suggs/Bowers are out..however I know how it feels to have a achillie tear..I have ruptured one and shattered the other..playing basketball...both times someone stepped on heel and locked my ankle..it takes a year to recover..
Taylor should be speaking to Jackson about pecs..darn LB has infected someone else now..
Anyway,this will give Heckert time to get another DT in..one that does what Taylor did..occupy linemen and collapse the LOS..now with the rookie DT's I would expect Hughes to be the stack and shed DT with Winn being the one to generate pass rush from the inside..so we'll see how that progresses.
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I'm looking for some insight here, since I'm pretty ignorant about guys in the trenches. I don't really know what to think about this injury. Some say it's a huge deal, while others say it isn't.
I guess here's my question to those who categorize this injury as a minor setback for our team: If Taylor is that "unimportant" then why the EFF did we draft him in the first round?? I mean couldn't we have benefited more from drafting a more impactful position? I'm really ignorant here
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I guess here's my question to those who categorize this injury as a minor setback for our team: If Taylor is that "unimportant" then why the EFF did we draft him in the first round?? I mean couldn't we have benefited more from drafting a more impactful position? I'm really ignorant here
He's not unimportant. But we're going to have to move on for now.
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If Taylor is that "unimportant" then why the EFF did we draft him in the first round?? I mean couldn't we have benefited more from drafting a more impactful position? I'm really ignorant here
No you aren't ignorant here. Those that try to devalue the impact Taylor had on our defense are the ones that are ignorant.
Hopefully we will have him back for the first game but my best guess is after the bye week which would allow him the final 7 games. Some guys heal really quick from this and others take some time and some never really heal completely from it.
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