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Other thread is about to be locked, so let's continue here.
After the Indians shredded the $175mil payroll Red Sox last night, I thought about looking up their DL list:
Boston DL includes:
Crawford ($20.4mil) + Lackey ($16mil) + Youk($12.3mil) + Matsuzaka($10.3mil) + Ellsbury ($8mil) + Jenks ($6mil) + Bailey ($4mil)
That is $77mil worth of players.
Indians payroll is $65mil (total including $2.5mil hold for Roberto Hernandez)
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I feel so bad for Boston ... Oh wait ...... no, I really don't. 
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couldn't happen to a "better" group of fans 
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I don't want to say all Boston fans are obnoxious jerks, but well over 90% of them are exactly like that moron that constantly calls into Cleveland talk shows to rip our teams, and you all know exactly who I am talking about.
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I don't want to say all Boston fans are obnoxious jerks, but well over 90% of them are exactly like that moron that constantly calls into Cleveland talk shows to rip our teams, and you all know exactly who I am talking about.
Tony Grossi?
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Ubaldo is absolute garbage, one of the worst trades of all time..makes me really question our scouting dept.
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Ubaldo is absolute garbage, one of the worst trades of all time..makes me really question our scouting dept.
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I try not to think about it, but you can't help to when he has nights of 4 home runs and 8 rbis.
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I try not to think about it, but you can't help to when he has nights of 4 home runs and 8 rbis.
When he was on the team he was my favorite player. I loved the guy and I always a sucker for redemption stories. I was sooooo disappointed when they traded him.
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at least you had a legitimate reason to get rid of him (his drug demons). we gifted you brandon phillips because wedge didn't get along with him.
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Ubaldo is absolute garbage, one of the worst trades of all time..makes me really question our scouting dept.
How is it one of the worst trades of all time if the guys you traded are doing jack squat at the MLB level?
Pomeranz has already been optioned back down to AAA (after an 0-2 record in 5 starts) and White just made his first appearance of the season (after a tough end to last year).
It certainly hasn't been a great trade, simply based off of Ubaldo's performance but White / Pomeranz aren't exactly lighting the MLB of fire. It was worth rolling the dice. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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Meh, IF we make the playoffs, we won't make it far if the starting rotation includes Ubaldo Jiminez
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webbage The Dispatch posted this story.. Reds fans might find it a bit comical.. Barry Larkin went to Michigan to play football and ended up as a baseball player. In an interview on ESPN this week, the 19-year Cincinnati Reds shortstop explained what happened when he went to coach Bo Schembechler’s office and told him he was going to play baseball. “He said, ‘Larkin this is the Universityof Michigan!’ and pounded his desk,” Larkin said. “He came up over the desk — almost climbed over the desk — and he pointed at me and said, ‘No one comes to the University of Michigan and plays stinkin’ baseball!’ I’m like, ‘OK, Coach.’ He told me, ‘You get out of this office, and you come back tomorrow when you have come to your senses.’ So I go back and tell him (again) the next day, and I thought that was the end of it. “Well, maybe three or four times a month (when) we’re out there practicing baseball, this guy in a hoodie comes out and he heckles me from the third-base line. It was Bo. ‘ Larkin! Come hit a man who can hit you back instead of that sissy baseball!’ Larkin was voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in January. Bob Hunter is a sports columnist for The Dispatch.
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“Well, maybe three or four times a month (when) we’re out there practicing baseball, this guy in a hoodie comes out and he heckles me from the third-base line. It was Bo. ‘ Larkin! Come hit a man who can hit you back instead of that sissy baseball!’
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In baseball all you have to do is get in the playoffs. After that it's pretty much just luck (unless you are a far superior team, and it doesn't seem like there are any of those this year.)
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J/C and not trying to rattle the cage...
You can tell when the Indians have hit a rough stretch - it becomes awful quiet in this/these threads.
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Well ... when you get spanked 12-1 ...... there's not too much to say .......   We couldn't hit today .... and our pitchers were serving up batting practice.
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I feel so bad for Boston ...
Oh wait ...... no, I really don't.
I feel bad for the Indians, losing 3 of 4 to the lowly Red Sox
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The Indians need not feel like they needed to re-enact the 2007 meltdown in Fenway Park; once was plenty. I realized today that every year I watch the Indians waiting for the wheels to come off; waiting for them to crap the bed. They never let me down.
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I really hate the whole giving up runs in the first trend that I see with some of our guys.
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Votto with 3 homers 6 rbis and a walkoff grand slam. Eh not quite Josh Hamilton but not too shabby either. 
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the get behind early and never chip away at the lead thing does get old quickly.
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Yea, it would be nice, but the Reds couldn't possibly afford all three beyond this year.
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Twins are probably going to lose 100 games. They are one of the worst teams in awhile. Who is in their starting rotation? I can only name Blackburn and Pavano off they top of my head. Their whole infield is terrible. Span is their only good outfielder. If I were them I'd try and get out of that Mauer contract while he is still relatively valuable and then rebuild. Their future is not bright.
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Mauer has a complete no trade clause.
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If I were them I'd try and get out of that Mauer contract while he is still relatively valuable and then rebuild.
But their owner isn't cheap and pays their good players! 
Sort of the reason why the Indians (among other teams), can't really afford to hand out 23 million dollar salaries, even if the guy is worth it. You have 25% of your payroll invested in one guy, and if he gets injured, you're hosed. And your options for trading him are limited to only a handful of teams that can actually afford his salary ... and that's if they even want to take it.
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^ see Travis Hafner.
That contract has been hurting the Tribe for a while now.
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they also signed Willingham for more than he is worth because he would make a HUGE difference to the team this year
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Sort of the reason why the Indians (among other teams), can't really afford to hand out 23 million dollar salaries, even if the guy is worth it. You have 25% of your payroll invested in one guy, and if he gets injured, you're hosed. .
How exactly would the Tribe be hosed? It's not like they'd spend that money anyway.
I mean everyone talks about signing Pronk, but that was one deal, and it's rather modest when you compare it to what guys are making with the production he had up until that point in time.
I just don't get it. We sign a guy, and it doesn't work out, what's the worst that happens, we are stuck watching bad offensive baseball? Oh wait..
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please. the Indians have consistently had payrolls in the $60-$80mil range the past 6 seasons (yes, usually in the $60s). last year was a bottoming out year due to the influx of young talent being called up (Santana, Kipnis, Chisenhall, Masterson infusion - Chis didn't work out yet, but that was the plan).
so, there is a specified budget. $13mil is 20% of a $65mil budget. That is a great deal of $$$ to be used in trades acquiring talent (my preference) or FA (I don't like because even guys like Pena/Beltran scoff at more $$, so we'd have to overpay like Minny did to Willingham).
also, our offense this year hasn't been the problem. yeah, we've struggled against lefties and it's apparent when it happens. but, we've outscored Detroit (and everyone else in our division - 7th in runs in the AL). the problem has been our pitching with really only Lowe pitching well out of the starters (12th in runs allowed in the AL).
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please. the Indians have consistently had payrolls in the $60-$80mil range the past 6 seasons (yes, usually in the $60s). last year was a bottoming out year due to the influx of young talent being called up (Santana, Kipnis, Chisenhall, Masterson infusion - Chis didn't work out yet, but that was the plan).
so, there is a specified budget. $13mil is 20% of a $65mil budget. That is a great deal of $$$ to be used in trades acquiring talent (my preference) or FA (I don't like because even guys like Pena/Beltran scoff at more $$, so we'd have to overpay like Minny did to Willingham).
also, our offense this year hasn't been the problem. yeah, we've struggled against lefties and it's apparent when it happens. but, we've outscored Detroit (and everyone else in our division - 7th in runs in the AL). the problem has been our pitching with really only Lowe pitching well out of the starters (12th in runs allowed in the AL).
opening day payroll last 8 years, 4 times under 60m. a few of those times they were barely over.
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and only once in the last 6 seasons. 2012 $64 2011 $49 2010 $61 2009 $82 2008 $79 2007 $61 http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=114Dolan bought the team, gave it a go with the high-priced veteran talent but it didn't look like the team was going anywhere so they decided to rebuild ($78, $93,$76 payrolls). They got rid of the high priced contracts and built up their young talent. Guys like Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, CC Sabathia, Westbroook and Travis Hafner started playing for us when the payroll really bottomed out at $34mil in 2004. That left room to sign those guys to longer contracts, which is what we did building the payroll back up as we had a great young team in '05, '06, and '07. The payroll continued to climb in '08 and '09 ($78,$81), but the team fell apart for a myriad of reasons (Hafner and Grady not being able to stay healthy when the entire offense was centered around them being the primary reason along with Carmona not being consistent and Westbrook not staying healthy). That is when the CC, Lee, and Victor trades happened to bottom out the payroll again (at $49mil this time) and build back up a young team. With Asdrubel, Kipnis, Santana, Choo, Masterson we have lots of young talent that a ton of teams would love to have maturing at the same time. At the same time we have Carmona, Sizemore, and Hafner all coming off the books (at least at their inflated salaries). I don't expect to keep all of our young stars (just now how MLB works), but I do expect to have them for the forseeable future and expect that our FO will use our budget accordingly.
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Taking care of business against the bottom feeders. Derek Lowe with a 5-hit shut out through 8. 20 ground ball outs. wow.
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Check out "Grandpa" Lowe with a complete game shutout!   Now, if we can just get Justin and Ubaldo going (and Tomlin healthy again)... 
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