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Honestly, who cares about what Chris Perez says? The realities of the situation in Cleveland are what they are. If some blowhard of a player want to ignore that and call out the fans that's his call. However, that isn't going to generate one ounce of additional interest in this team.
One thing will: WINNING. If they keep winning (... and I'm talking more than 1/2 a season), the fans WILL show up and the number 455 is proof that they'll show up in droves if they can string winning seasons with playoff appearances together. We've been mostly mediocre for some time now. All the stars that people became attached to in the 90's and early 2000's left. Like it or not, that just kills the interest in baseball for the casual fan in Cleveland. Unfortunately, it was the casual fan that made 455 consecutive sellouts possible. Jacobs Field was THE place to be. It is going to take a while to build that kind of interest in this team again. If it happens again, it won't happen overnight.
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They don't even try anymore. Did they even attempt at bringing in any one this season?
Carlos Pena for sure. Offered him more than TB. He still signed with TB.
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also, the market dictates that small market teams have to pay a premium to get FAs to go to them because it's inherently tougher to field competitive teams. it's amazing that not only do they have to work on smaller budgets, but they have to overpay in FA, but that's the system.
it makes a ton more sense to work trades (like Youk possibly - and Lowe) and to try your best to extend your guys past their arbitration dates (got an extra year out of Asdrubel at least). it's the only leverage the smaller markets have.
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One thing will: WINNING. If they keep winning (... and I'm talking more than 1/2 a season), the fans WILL show up and the number 455 is proof that they'll show up in droves if they can string winning seasons with playoff appearances together. We've been mostly mediocre for some time now. All the stars that people became attached to in the 90's and early 2000's left. Like it or not, that just kills the interest in baseball for the casual fan in Cleveland. Unfortunately, it was the casual fan that made 455 consecutive sellouts possible. Jacobs Field was THE place to be. It is going to take a while to build that kind of interest in this team again. If it happens again, it won't happen overnight.
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I never said it was the most important thing.. but all things being equal.. chance to win championships and money being the two most important (and I think the order of those has a lot to do with individual players and where they are in their careers)... then other things start to come into play... and overal atmosphere is probably one of them. I doubt they go look up fan attendance but these guys have played in most ballparks, they know how it "feels" to play there.. and I would guess that is somewhere on the list of intangibles...
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I don't agree with what Chris Perez said, but part of me thinks he is doing this to light a fire, and it's working.
I agree 100% with what Perez said.
Me too.
Me three.
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I love baseball. In fact, I'm going to the game tomorrow but the MLB is broken and alienating a lot of people - especially younger people such as myself. According to ESPN, A-Rod, Sabathia, Teixeria, and Jeter this year will make a combined $93 million dollars. For comparison, the entire LA Dodgers' salary will be $93 million. What this means (if you count the Dodgers), 4 players on the Yankees have a great salary than 17 teams in the MLB.How can you get excited about being an Indians fan when you know if someone is good (Sabathia, Cliff Lee) they will be traded away? When they have a great year and they're up for a contract, we'll have no chance of resigning them. Until the MLB institutes a hard cap (both ceiling and floor) most people of the smaller markets will not care and I can't say I blame them. If you want people to support all teams, make it so that every team has a chance to compete. The smaller market teams have to have the best scouting, the right places fall into places, all all of their prospects come up to have a 3 year window to win before tearing it all down. Teams like the Yankees or Red Sox can just get the best FA at any position and if they miss just do it again.
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Don't look now, but the Red Sox are finally playing good baseball. They've won 9 of 11, and are only 5.5 back of the O's (I don't buy the O's, so I'm not worried about that), and only 3.5 back of the Rays 
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For those of you out of the CLE market, MLB.tv has the Indians/Tigers game tonight as their free game of the day.
I haven't purchased the season yet as I've been trying to save a few bucks. Once the NHL and NBA playoffs are over I will probably buy the reduced package.
All you need to do is sign up for their account, that way they can determine if you are in or out of the market to watch the game.
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That's cool, then i'm not stuck listening to the Detroit announcers. They drive me up the wall.
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That's cool, then i'm not stuck listening to the Detroit announcers. They drive me up the wall.
You won't know until you put it on, but sometimes they let you sync the radio broadcast over the tv feed so you can hear hammy while the game goes on.
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For comparison, the entire LA Dodgers' salary will be $93 million.
The Dodgers also had an owner that was bankrupt. Something tells me they won't be at that number to start the 2013 season.
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How can you get excited about being an Indians fan when you know if someone is good (Sabathia, Cliff Lee) they will be traded away? When they have a great year and they're up for a contract, we'll have no chance of resigning them.
Small market teams never re-sign their players. Longoria, Tulowitzki, Maybin, McCutchen, Braun, Zimmerman, Votto, Phillips, Gordon, and Mauer have all signed long term extensions in recent years/months.
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Until the MLB institutes a hard cap (both ceiling and floor) most people of the smaller markets will not care and I can't say I blame them.
Minnesota is terrible this year and is 8th in attendance. Milwaukee is the smallest market in MLB and they are tied with Minnesota. Most teams fill 60% of their stadiums, which is pretty good.
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If you want people to support all teams, make it so that every team has a chance to compete.
Yeah, like basketball! Wait, what? (The Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Heat, Mavericks, Rockets, and Pistons are the only teams to have won a title since 1984. Since 1984 the Mets, Tigers, Royals, Twins, Dodgers, A's, Reds, Jays, Braves, Yankees, Marlins, Diamondbacks, Angels, Red Sox, White Sox, Cardinals, Phillies, and Giants have won the World Series.)
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Baseball has the longest period that a player has on his team before becoming a free agent. Usually it's around eight years.
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Teams like the Yankees or Red Sox can just get the best FA at any position and if they miss just do it again.
The Yankees missed on Cliff Lee and signed...no one. Last year their rotation included Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia. And it looks like the Yankees will be struggling this year because they have given long term deals to guys who are in the decline stage of their career.
In conclusion, stop whining. Your team is playing well, support them, hope they make the right hires and decisions (and don't trade their top prospects for guys who mysteriously lost 3 MPH of their fastball), and hope they fleece some big market teams in trades for prospects (Carlos Santana for Casey Blake  ).
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That was just awesome. Nice job cfrs15.
I couldn't agree more. I've heard this argument so many times and it just seems so silly to me. If any sport has proven that spending does not = guaranteed success, it's baseball.
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great post on all that. and just because it's the one annoying argument that hasn't been hit by that reply:
"the 90s Indians players were around longer so we could get attached" argument (not counting partial call-up years, etc.):
Albert Belle spent 6 'real' seasons with the Tribe.
Kenny was only here 5 seasons before he left the first time (and he was already beloved by that point)
manny was with the tribe for 6-7yrs (depending on how you count it)
Baerga 6.5yrs
Jim Thome 9 'full' seasons
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we had Victor for 5.5yrs
CC for 7.5 yrs
we've had Hafner for 10 'full' seasons
Sizemore for 7
Choo for 5
Carmona for 5
we'll have Asdrubel for at least 7
along with a bunch of youngsters.
the main difference? well, we're talking HOF for a bunch of the guys from the 90s and a city desperate to end 38years of absolutely pathetic baseball.
regardless, the point is that we were losing most of our best players in the 90s as well and fans didn't have a problem latching on to them in that amount of time.
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The overall point is, just because your team has sucked doesn't mean the entire system is broken.
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yeah, I know that's what you were getting at. I was just anticipating the response to it and quelling it proactively.
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The overall point is, just because your team has sucked doesn't mean the entire system is broken.
No but when certain teams get to compete every single year and other teams have to break down their entire team which can take 2 years, then wait another 3 or 4 for prospects to come up and maybe be good, then you get a window of a few years until you have to trade those guys away again? System's broke.
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Small market teams never re-sign their players. Longoria, Tulowitzki, Maybin, McCutchen, Braun, Zimmerman, Votto, Phillips, Gordon, and Mauer have all signed long term extensions in recent years/months.
And how are most of those teams doing? How much help were they able to get their high priced stars? And DC is a small market?
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Minnesota is terrible this year and is 8th in attendance. Milwaukee is the smallest market in MLB and they are tied with Minnesota. Most teams fill 60% of their stadiums, which is pretty good.
Minnesota is in the second year in their new stadium, it's still a big deal.. in 2009 they were 17th in attendance even though they won the division...
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Yeah, like basketball! Wait, what? (The Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Heat, Mavericks, Rockets, and Pistons are the only teams to have won a title since 1984. Since 1984 the Mets, Tigers, Royals, Twins, Dodgers, A's, Reds, Jays, Braves, Yankees, Marlins, Diamondbacks, Angels, Red Sox, White Sox, Cardinals, Phillies, and Giants have won the World Series.)
Baseball and basketball are 2 different beasts.. in basketball if you've got 1 or 2 stars, you can compete for a long time and the system is set up for you to be able to keep your stars... and add decent pieces as needed around him... I think the parity in WS winners actually speaks to the teams that make their run, then dump their talent.. then somebody else makes a run.... The point is, unless you have the big payroll, it's very hard to build anything that you can sustain... the Yankees are down right now.. anybody think they will have this prolonged rebuilding process and be down for 5 or 6 years? Heck, even by the end of this year....
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Yeah, why should teams have to hire people who are good at their jobs!
So a GMs job is to go find talent out of raw players, bring it along to an MLB level, hope you win it all during the couple years he's playing at that level, then watch him leave so you can start all over again?
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Hey DC, are you a Nats fan?
Heck of a season they are enjoying so far. I hope they keep it up, I'd like to see somebody other than the Bravos and Phillies win that division.
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No but when certain teams get to compete every single year and other teams have to break down their entire team which can take 2 years, then wait another 3 or 4 for prospects to come up and maybe be good, then you get a window of a few years until you have to trade those guys away again? System's broke.
You just described MLB, the NFL, and the NBA.
MLB - Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals
NFL - Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, Giants, Eagles, Colts (until last year)
NBA - Lakers, Mavericks, Thunder, Spurs.
The Browns have been bad since 1999. Does that mean the system is broken? The Bobcats have never been good. System broken?
And like I said in my previous post, who says you have to trade them away? More and more young stars are signing long term deals with their current teams.
The Indians made $30 million in 2011. More than any team in baseball.
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Nope, I'm an Indians fan... and I used to go to a lot of Pirate games.. I'm holding out for that Indians vs Pirates World Series.  Guess I could have clarified. I grew up in Maryland (closer to Pittsburgh than Baltimore, way out west), lived in DC for a long time, now live in North Carolina... I don't like any of the Baltimore or Washington teams.... a few I like less than others.
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No but when certain teams get to compete every single year and other teams have to break down their entire team which can take 2 years, then wait another 3 or 4 for prospects to come up and maybe be good, then you get a window of a few years until you have to trade those guys away again? System's broke.
You just described MLB, the NFL, and the NBA.
MLB - Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals
NFL - Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, Giants, Eagles, Colts (until last year)
NBA - Lakers, Mavericks, Thunder, Spurs.
The Browns have been bad since 1999. Does that mean the system is broken? The Bobcats have never been good. System broken?
And like I said in my previous post, who says you have to trade them away? More and more young stars are signing long term deals with their current teams.
The Indians made $30 million in 2011. More than any team in baseball.
I've faulted both the Indians and MLB with the way the departures of key players have gone through. The Indians can't realistically sign CC and Cliff Lee to 25m a year contracts, but on the flip side, the organization has used that as a crutch for years to do nothing but small signings like Kotchman and Jamie Carroll, etc..
When big market teams get tv contracts that net them all those dollars and they can afford 150m payrolls, and the Indians don't get that, there's a problem.
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For the Indians. Not for the league.
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For the Indians. Not for the league.
One would think that the overall health and competitiveness of every team would benefit the league... I know they don't think about it that way though, much like the NBA.
I'm desperately rooting for the NBA finals to be the Pacers and the Spurs then watch as they all cry about poor ratings... the NBA has hitched its wagon to a handful of players in a handful of cities at the exclusion of everybody else... and I think it will be great if that excluded group of everybody else ends up in the finals.. The NBA comes around every year at playoff time and pretends like they like the Spurs and starts putting them in ads and putting them on television... the rest of the year its all about Kobe, LeBron, Melo, the Bulls, the Heat, the Lakers, the Celtics....
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especially when you consider that another title puts the Spurs on equal footing with the Lakers for recent titles. but, they get so little media coverage during the year unless they are winning 17straight, etc.
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The Dodgers also had an owner that was bankrupt. Something tells me they won't be at that number to start the 2013 season.
You completely missed the point. 4 players on one team make as much or more than 17 SEPARATE MAJOR LEAGUE ROSTERS . So even if the Dodgers increase their payroll, 4 players will still make more than over half the teams in the league.
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These are the exceptions, not the rule. Look at the Twins. If Mauer does not live up to the contract the franchise is set back a decade. If the Yankees whiff on a $100 million Kevin Brown contract, they can just sign CC, Burnett, etc. and keep signing guys until they find the right guy. Furthermore, the big teams don't have to choose between keeping someone and letting another guy go, they can just re-sign their players with essentially 0 fear they will leave since they can outbid essentially all teams.
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Minnesota is terrible this year and is 8th in attendance. Milwaukee is the smallest market in MLB and they are tied with Minnesota. Most teams fill 60% of their stadiums, which is pretty good.
Milwaukee chose Braun over Fielder and also had to let CC walk. see my previous point.
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Yeah, like basketball! Wait, what? (The Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Spurs, Heat, Mavericks, Rockets, and Pistons are the only teams to have won a title since 1984. Since 1984 the Mets, Tigers, Royals, Twins, Dodgers, A's, Reds, Jays, Braves, Yankees, Marlins, Diamondbacks, Angels, Red Sox, White Sox, Cardinals, Phillies, and Giants have won the World Series.)
We're discussing baseball, I don't see what basketball's flaws have anything to do with this.
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Yeah, why should teams have to hire people who are good at their jobs!
Once again, you completely miss the point. The small market teams' GMs have to be perfect just to have the chance to compete. The Red Sox on the other hand can see they need a 1B and sign Adrian Gonzalez. Hey, that guy has hit 30 HRs and driven in 100+ RBIs over the last 8 years, let's sign him. Wow, that takes real scouting talent. /sarcasm
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Baseball has the longest period that a player has on his team before becoming a free agent. Usually it's around eight years.
That's because they get signed when they're 17 years old. How many of those years does someone perform at a superstar level? Guys like A-Rod and Cabrera are the exception, not the rule.
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The Yankees missed on Cliff Lee and signed...no one. Last year their rotation included Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia. And it looks like the Yankees will be struggling this year because they have given long term deals to guys who are in the decline stage of their career.
Oh no, the sky is falling. They missed out on ONE guy. I guess they'll just have to settle for Teixeria, A-Rod, CC, all over the course of a few years. And this post isn't meant to point that it's the Yankees vs the world. It's just meant to show the disparity between teams. When one team has a salary of $50 million and teams have literally 3-4 times that, how can you say it's a level playing field?
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In conclusion, stop whining. Your team is playing well, support them, hope they make the right hires and decisions (and don't trade their top prospects for guys who mysteriously lost 3 MPH of their fastball), and hope they fleece some big market teams in trades for prospects (Carlos Santana for Casey Blake ).
Support your team no matter what. Ignore the fact that half the league is essentially a minor league system for the big markets and like it. /sarcasm
I explained why people don't support their teams and use specific examples of why and you just brush it off as whining. There's a reason why
5 teams set attendance lows in the history of their ballpark in 2011. More and more people are turning away from the MLB and will continue to do so. But as long as the big markets get their way, you'll be happy so good for you.
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The Browns and Bobcats are bad because management is bad. They're not bad because teams can outspend them 4:1. The Rangers paid $50 million to negotiate with Darvish. That's 5 million less than the Padres and A's entire roster gets paid.
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Common sense? If you know you won't be able to sign the guy, then you have to trade him away so you don't completely lose out on everything. Look at the Indians with CC and Cliff Lee. Back-to-back Cy Young winners traded away after winning the Cy Young. Would a team like the Red Sox have to trade away their Cy Young winners when the contract comes up? Of course not.
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Should be a fun series kicking off tonight.
I may have asked it before but I'll ask it again. Why is it ok for the NFL and NHL to have a hard cap whereas the NBA and MLB have a softcap or no cap?
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Wrong. Teams will now try and lock up their player so they don't have to go arbitration and pay Lincecum type money. It's a win/win. Players will make more money early in the contract, teams buyout a couple of years of free agency. When the players do become free agents they will then be past their prime, and a smart team will let them go (i.e. Pujols/Cardinals).
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If the Yankees whiff on a $100 million Kevin Brown contract, they can just sign CC, Burnett, etc. and keep signing guys until they find the right guy.
The Dodgers signed Kevin Brown to his huge contract with the money they didn't spend on Mike Piazza. The Dodgers then traded Brown to the Yankees (for some guy named Brandon Weeden and others). And they can't keep signing guys because of the new luxury tax system that will be in place in 2014. You think the Yankees wanted to trade Jesus Montero for Michael Pineda? No. They wanted to sign C.J. Wilson and keep Montero, but they couldn't because they need to get their salary below $180 million (I think) before 2014.
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Thank you for helping my point. I was talking about attendance numbers. Milwaukee has lost two superstars and still has some of the best attendance numbers.
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You want a cap to level the playing field. Basketball has a cap and not a level playing field.
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Once again, you completely miss the point. The small market teams' GMs have to be perfect just to have the chance to compete.
No they don't. Cincinnati is a small market. They have not been perfect (Hamilton for Volquez). They are competing. Milwaukee is a small market. They were not perfect. They made it to the NLCS last year. Every team misses on players. You just have to make more good than bad decisions.
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The Red Sox on the other hand can see they need a 1B and sign Adrian Gonzalez. Hey, that guy has hit 30 HRs and driven in 100+ RBIs over the last 8 years, let's sign him. Wow, that takes real scouting talent. /sarcasm
Or they can trade a gaggle of their top prospects that they drafted/signed internationally for him. Which they did. San Diego is notoriously cheap.
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Players service time in the major leagues does not start when they are signed/drafted. It starts when they are called up to the major leagues. Players who are called up at a young age produce immediately all of the time (Starsburg, Upton, Longoria, Tulowitzki, Zimmerman, Jennings, Santana, Hosmer, Mauer, Trout, etc, etc, etc). If a player is called up at age 22 he will most likely become a free agent at age 28. The new trend is to sign players to long term deals (around ten years) when they first are called up, buying out the first years the player would be eligible for free agency.
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Oh no, the sky is falling. They missed out on ONE guy. I guess they'll just have to settle for Teixeria, A-Rod, CC, all over the course of a few years. And this post isn't meant to point that it's the Yankees vs the world. It's just meant to show the disparity between teams. When one team has a salary of $50 million and teams have literally 3-4 times that, how can you say it's a level playing field?
First off, they traded Alfonso Soriano (one of their home grown assets) for A-Rod and Texas paid most of his contract. Also, the Yankees don't win the World Series every year. They have one once in the past ten years. Furthermore, one could argue that the Yankees and Red Sox improve competitive balance within their own division. Teams know they will have to compete with those two teams every year and have to spend/draft/sign accordingly. It is no coincidence that the AL East is the strongest division in the league.
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More and more people are turning away from the MLB and will continue to do so.
Attendance is down. Viewership is up. More people are content to stay at home and watch the games on their giant HD TV's than go to a game and drop big money. This is happening in all sports. (NFL attendance down, NBA attendance down)
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Support your team no matter what. Ignore the fact that half the league is essentially a minor league system for the big markets and like it. /sarcasm
I am not ignoring anything. I know what is going on. You don't have a clue.
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J/C BeeP is starting to heat up. 
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Basketball doesn't have a level playing field, but it's not because of $$$ and tv contracts. For the most part the league is set up for equality, but players don't want to play in cold weather/small market towns like Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee and Minnesota. Teams in baseball can straight up out muscle a team for a player.
I don't think you can compare the two.
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The fact remains: one team can spend $200+ million a season. Another team can spend $50 million. No matter how you twist it, working with 4 times the payroll gives big market teams a huge advantage. Is it possible for a team to succeed with a low salary? Yes. Is it possible to have a huge payroll and fail? Yes. However, my entire point is that a team being able to spend 4 times the money completely removes any semblance of competitiveness. It's a clear and unfair advantage that cannot be naturally overcome.
Until they institute a floor and a ceiling small market baseball will continue to suffer. If you can work with a level playing field and still suck because of bad drafting, bad management, etc. then whatever, that's fine. But if you suck because you can't resign your players while others teams can resign theirs and sign your best players, then where's the sport in that? Especially in Cleveland where fans are fed up with being a step or two away and having to reset every few years.
I love the Indians. Always will - like I said I'll be at the game tomorrow. But do I think any of those guys - especially the ones who turn into superstars will finish their career with Cleveland? I do not and it flat out sucks.
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That's how it has to work in America. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work hard to become part of the spend as much as we want club!
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j/c Good game tonight for the good guys..Great game by Choo..hell he dropped a pop-up and still got a out...Lets go bullpen 
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Lol Perez came close to getting booed tonight.
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I said the same thing..LOL
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Yup, putting two on with a 2-run lead isn't a good way to prevent boo's........but to his credit, he got the 3rd out to put the 3rd place Tigers even further back.  And Minnesota is crushing the White Sox in Chicago. Another nice, but a little shaky, quality start by Ubaldo (lots of walks but he pitched around them). He's 5-3 now.
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/Punchsmack/punch.gif) “...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
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Have Fister tomorrow night..gotta keep the bats going
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the Twins are my 2nd favorite team this year (that's for you DC)
they keep losing to the Tribe and beating the Tigers & White Sox. what more can you ask for?
#gmstrong
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j/c Heres a great story.. Reds fan catches two home runs in same inning — and then gives both balls away There's no doubt about it: Caleb Lloyd is the man. The 20-year-old Cincinnati Reds fan made hundreds of headlines on Monday night after catching home run balls from pitcher Mike Leake and shortstop Zack Cozart. Lloyd's dueling grabs occurred not only in the same game, but in consecutive at-bats during the Reds' 4-1 win over Atlanta Braves at Great American Ballpark. Not bad for someone who had just planned on playing the MLB 2K12 video game all night before his friend called him up with a last-minute offer of tickets in the left-field bleachers. But while Lloyd living out two dream grabs on what he called "the best day" of his life is impressive, I was actually more taken by the fact he immediately gave up both homer balls to people he thought would like them better. While we've written posts about people catching two homers in one day or three in each game of a series, I can't remember ever writing about someone who was so charitable with his stroke-of-luck souvenirs. So why did Lloyd give the baseballs up? And who did he give them to? From MLB.com: "I gave the Cozart one to my buddy since his uncle got us the tickets," Lloyd said. "He was the reason I was here. The Leake ball, I gave it back, because I knew it was Leake's first Major League home run. I just want to meet him and shake his hand." The power of Christian Lopez compelled him! It's also not like Lloyd didn't sustain any damage while collecting the baseballs. While Cozart's ball came to him off a carom, the drive by Leake required a bit more suffering. "The first one, I actually barehanded," Lloyd said. "It hit my hand. It didn't expect I'd actually catch it. I never caught a home run ball. I caught it and it like bounced off the palm of my hand, and I just reached out and grabbed it. It hurt really bad. I don't recommend doing it again." At any rate, Lloyd's generosity without a second thought should be lauded. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-le...aiHQgutAPARvLYF
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