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That whole article by Pat Mcmanamon (fanmonster) tells me nothing but the writers opinion.
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how do we know that Heckert and Holmgren have landed their QB of the present and future in Weeden?
since McCoy is lacking all this arm strength to whip the ball outside the hash marks and his decision making is less than stellar..why did they bother drafting him in the 1st place?
Perhaps as a backup with the hopes that lightning would strike and they'd get lucky and have a starter, and at worst a capable backup?
Not a bad gamble for a 3rd round pick.... especially when what we had at the time wasn't the answer to anything. It's a Win-Win decision.
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Compare and contrast Colt McCoy's presser from the other day at OTA with this from December of his rookie year. (when he was, supposedly, being beaten down by the coaches) http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...88-37b9ad657a81Man, he stood tall, was upbeat, energized, excited, happy .... he smiled, didn't stumble or stager over his words, his voice didn't crack once ........ Then watch his presser following the OTA ..... http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-cen...e2-4ec0eb2e1f04He's nowhere near the same guy.
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how do we know that Heckert and Holmgren have landed their QB of the present and future in Weeden?
We don't. We think so, we hope so, we want it to be so.. they want it to be so. But until he does it on the field, we don't know
But then again, how do we know you won't walk out in front of an oncoming bus tomorrow? we don't.
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since McCoy is lacking all this arm strength to whip the ball outside the hash marks and his decision making is less than stellar..why did they bother drafting him in the 1st place?
well, we didn't exactly draft him in the 1st round or anything. So it's not like we totally blew a high draft pick. There were plenty of reasons to think that McCoy could be an NFL QB. I'm sure they thought he could bulk up (it appears he has) I'm sure they thought they could improve certain aspects of his game that would make him an appropriate 3rd pick.
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But then again, how do we know you won't walk out in front of an oncoming bus tomorrow? we don't.
When they announce Weeden as the starter, you might prove to be prophetic.
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But then again, how do we know you won't walk out in front of an oncoming bus tomorrow? we don't.
When they announce Weeden as the starter, you might prove to be prophetic.
Wouldn't be the worst thing I've been called LOL
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Follow me here.....why would any organization try to snatch lightning in a bottle when it comes to the QB position?
When it comes to addressing the QB, isn't the ideal guy one thats closer to being a franchise QB than just a serviceable QB?
to me drafting McCoy was a waste of pick.
in the Browns state of affairs,you have to make all your picks count.
they would have been better off drafting Jimmy Graham or Navarro Bowman.
you have to find starters in the 3rd RD..not backups if you want to close the gap
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McCoy was a chance worth taking at the time. Some of what he lacked might have been developed with coaching and time in the NFL. Unfortunately, he didn;t develop .... but that doesn't mean that the pick itself was wasted. QBs are almost always drafted higher than their overall ranking, because the position is so important.
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how do we know that Heckert and Holmgren have landed their QB of the present and future in Weeden?
He is the QB of the present, if for no other reason than you have to play him to find out what you have in him. There is no luxury of sitting the guy and letting him learn the system. He's too old for that.
Unfortunately, I am still not buying into this QB of the future business. I guuss I think of the future as a career that lasts as long as Marino's, Elway's, Aikman's, Favre's..... Insert the guy and you are good for 12 years. And we know going into it, that is not going to happen, he's just too dang old from the get go for that to materialize. Some rationalize this as well, five years with him is better then what we've been thru- and i get that. But even if Weeden pans out, we'lll be searching for a new QB sooner rather than later. And to me, that is very disappointing and a waste of a #22 draft pick. If this guys sucks it up, and we are drafting top 5 again next year, i pull the trigger on another QB, one with more upside and FUTURE.
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hindsight much?
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Who cares if he can't be good for the next 12 years ..... I'd settle for 5 really good years out of a QB right about now.
In the time since the Browns returned in 1999, we have had exactly 1 good year out of a QB, (Anderson in 2007) and he self destructed the following year.
If Weeden gives us 5 really good years I might do somersaults, bad back and all.
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Follow me here.....why would any organization try to snatch lightning in a bottle when it comes to the QB position?
Why wouldn't they.. Why did a team in NE draft a QB in the 6th round., do you think they thought they were going to get what they eventually got? Probably not... Lightning in a bottle.. nobody thought Tom Brady was all that and a bag of chips.. that was pure luck
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When it comes to addressing the QB, isn't the ideal guy one thats closer to being a franchise QB than just a serviceable QB?
Sure, the ideal guy is one closer to being a Franchise QB .. Naturally. try giving me a hard question.
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isn't hindsight a beautiful thing? would we be having this conversation had the caught lightning in a bottle and McCoy turned out terrific? NO WE WOULD NOT. that's why you try.. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't..
I'm still not convinced that it couldn't have worked out better if McCoy would have had an offseason and some talent around him.. But that's kinda moot at this point.
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you have to find starters in the 3rd RD..not backups if you want to close the gap
Arguments using hindsight are about as worthless as...never mind., you know 
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I agree, it doesn't have to be today, or next week, but if it doesn't happen by 7 days in to camp, we are screwing up.
Weeden is starting, so we might as well make that clear early in the process.
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Who cares if he can't be good for the next 12 years ..... I'd settle for 5 really good years out of a QB right about now.
I couldn't agree more, Y-town. 5 years would be a eternity at this point!
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I agree, it doesn't have to be today, or next week, but if it doesn't happen by 7 days in to camp, we are screwing up.
Weeden is starting, so we might as well make that clear early in the process.
my bet would be after the first preseason game. give Colt the first one as a nod to his time starting the past year and a half and move on from there.
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Man, I hope not. Everything the team does at this point should be to have Weeden as prepared and comfortable as possbile.
I hope Colt is traded before the first exhibition game.
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If it seems completely implausible, I accept that there is some level of smoke and mirrors inherent to their positions. It's called strategy. It's the same reason we don;t broadcast on the nightly news where our troops are going to be in the Middle East, or who our next target is. At the end of the day, if H&H did or said something that appeared to be less than transparent, then I chalk it up to strategy.
Your point is quite valid. Many fans take everything they say as somehow being directed at them. That for some reason, H&H owe them 100% honesty 100% of the time.
When the fact is, a lot of what they say is more so directed at 31 other NFL owners and GM's. Like the comment about being fine with Colt headed into the season.
What else could they or would they say pre-draft? If you are looking at drafting a QB, do you tip your hand to 31 other GM's that are going to be in the draft too? Of course not. So you want every team in the league to feel you are not going after a QB.
I see it all the time. Fans who feel somehow betrayed or lied to when the fact of the matter is, if you can keep from it, you never tip your hand to your competition. It's the smart way of doing business and I'm glad we have the people in charge who understand and deploy such strategy.
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Man, I hope not. Everything the team does at this point should be to have Weeden as prepared and comfortable as possbile.
I hope Colt is traded before the first exhibition game.
I don't think we should trade Colt.. UNLESS.. they are sure that he cannot be a starter..
Weeden will be 29 by the end of the season.. Even if he plays well.. I don't see him giving us more than 4-5 seasons.. At that point Colt will be 28-29.. and well seasoned to start. IDK. It's just a thought.
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my bet would be after the first preseason game. give Colt the first one as a nod to his time starting the past year and a half and move on from there.
No way.
From Day 1 of Training Camp, Weeden should be the confirmed starter. This offense and team can't afford to play "fair" with McCoy and allow him to take reps or even a pre-season game away from Weeden. Sorry but that's the brutal truth and McCoy's ship as a starter has sailed here. I think he played well at times but I think he played pretty poor at times during his couple years here and I supported him through all of it but the fact is that the Browns felt their QB situation was bad enough to draft Weeden at 22 when Wright was gone.
The NFL and the Cleveland Browns are still a business when you get down to it. Heckert and Shurmur are management positions in this business and if they don't want to get fired early then they better not trot McCoy out there for one pre-season game simply because he's been here two years. I mean other than win a handful of games, what else has he done to deserve something like this that takes reps away from the guy we all know is the starter already?
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I really wish the team would just name Weeden the starter. Everyone knows that's the case.
Colt will be fine as the backup.
I'm not saying this is their strategy Arch, but it does make sense.....
Maybe they are giving Colt the oppertunity to realise for himself that he should be the back-up? I mean as a competiter, every player wants to be the starter. And, since Colt was the starter last year, it is actually his job to lose.
If you were in Colts shoes, how would you like it if you didn't even have a shot to keep your job? I know I would want out of Cleveland as fast as I could catch a plane! Who wouldn't?
But I think this FO wants Colt as our back up and wants Colt to want to be here in that role. So how best to make that happen? How do you get Colt to accept that role and understand that's his place in the grand scheme of things?
If you call it a competition and go into it that way, I feel that's the best way to accomplish that goal. If every day Colt watches Brandon out throw him, watches him be a leader, watches the team bond with Weeden and sees for himself that Weeden is obviously better than he is?
Once Colt accepts these things for himself (if this turns out to be so), I believe then and only then, will Colt feel he got a fair shot. Then and only then will he see for himself that his skill set simply doesn't match up to that of a legitimate starting QB.
I feel at that point, Colt will feel he got his fair shot and may very well understand that the best way to help the Browns is to accept the back-up role and not feel he was slighted in any way.
Not only do I feel this would be best for Colt, but I feel it would be best for the Browns and us as fans. I want Colt to stay here. I want him to be happy here. He's a good kid and does posess some skills. I would love for him to spend his entire career as a Brown and be happy doing it.
I do believe there is merrit to this line of thinking and I most certainly hope for this scenario to work out this way. If that takes a little more time in naming the starter to accomplich this, I feel in the long run it's well worth the wait.
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my bet would be after the first preseason game. give Colt the first one as a nod to his time starting the past year and a half and move on from there.
No way.
From Day 1 of Training Camp, Weeden should be the confirmed starter. This offense and team can't afford to play "fair" with McCoy and allow him to take reps or even a pre-season game away from Weeden. Sorry but that's the brutal truth and McCoy's ship as a starter has sailed here. I think he played well at times but I think he played pretty poor at times during his couple years here and I supported him through all of it but the fact is that the Browns felt their QB situation was bad enough to draft Weeden at 22 when Wright was gone.
The NFL and the Cleveland Browns are still a business when you get down to it. Heckert and Shurmur are management positions in this business and if they don't want to get fired early then they better not trot McCoy out there for one pre-season game simply because he's been here two years. I mean other than win a handful of games, what else has he done to deserve something like this that takes reps away from the guy we all know is the starter already?
I think they should keep it "fair" and make it a competition.. Of course Weeden will start.. but you have to show your team that every one competes for their playing time.. even the QB. thats my opinion.
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It is a competition.
mourg...when your GM comes out the day before OTAs begin, puts his thumb on the scale saying he drafted Weeden to be the guy, it leaves no doubt who will be starting, imo.
I think Heckert said too much to the media the day before OTAs started, not even appearing to be neutral in the so called competition at QB.
If you are Colt McCoy on the eve of OTAs and you read this headline, courtesy of the Browns GM ...
..."We fully expect Brandon (Weeden) to be the guy''...
would you believe there was going to be a real competition at QB?
Weeden has already won the job as starting QB and the only way he can lose it is if the coaches or management take it from him.
The one thing McCoy asked for was a "fair competition". Just how he feels about what Heckert said or if he feels he is being given a fair chance is not known.
If McCoy can deal with the reality of his situation, that he is competing for the backup job and not the starting job, he "might" be a better backup choice than Wallace.
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Man, I hope not. Everything the team does at this point should be to have Weeden as prepared and comfortable as possbile.
I hope Colt is traded before the first exhibition game.
I don't think we should trade Colt.. UNLESS.. they are sure that he cannot be a starter..
Weeden will be 29 by the end of the season.. Even if he plays well.. I don't see him giving us more than 4-5 seasons.. At that point Colt will be 28-29.. and well seasoned to start. IDK. It's just a thought.
I agree that it is pointless to trade Colt - unless he is causing problems in the locker room. If Weeden wins the job and Colt accepts his new role as the backup - then why get rid of him at all??
As for Weeden - dude, he's ONLY 29 and hasn't been playing football the whole time - there's little reason we can't still get 10 years from him.
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Colt McCoy would be the backup (at best) on every other team in the NFL. Many teams likely won't even look at him because of his lack of size/arm/accuracy.
What's he going to do .... demand a trade? What if no one wants to trade for him? What if the best the Browns can find is a deal for a conditional 7th rounder? Would they make that deal?
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Yes, I do not understand the trading Colt sentiment. We'd get a 7th rounder for him and he's the best backup QB on the roster.
I don't think anyone in the locker-room is going to throw a Brandon Lloyd hissy-fit if Weeden starts over Colt.
and, in training camp, the top2 QBs always BOTH get snaps with the 1st team. some teams do a 50/50, some teams slant it more to the starter, but it is common (and needed as you never know when an injury may hit). so, having Weeden "named" starter after the first preseason game is more semantics than anything else (the 'he earned it' stamp of approval)
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It is possible. I mean the guy rarely took a hit in college. He has a quick release, should have a pretty good OL and a strong run game. He does get rid of the ball quickly.
It is funny but even at his age, he will probably have a longer career than RG3 if he is successful. RG3 takes brutal hits in the Big 12 and he isn't that big of a guy. Good luck with Babin, Osi, Ware, Pierre paul 6 times a year.
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I agree that it is pointless to trade Colt - unless he is causing problems in the locker room. If Weeden wins the job and Colt accepts his new role as the backup - then why get rid of him at all??
prp...as long as McCoy remains a positive influence in the locker room and is supportive of Weeden, I could see the Browns keeping him as their backup role QB.
But if the Browns decide to keep Wallace and McCoy, both as backups, Colt might feel it is better for him to move on.
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How long Weeden lasts in the NFL?... will depend on how well his offensive line protects him. If Weeden is hit a lot at age 29, 30, 31, it could do more to shorten the length of his career than if he were 23, 24, 25 and taking the same hits.
The older a football player is, the more difficult it becomes for their body to recover from the pounding.
Best thing the Browns can do...drive the message home to the Oline, allowing your QB to get hit after the ball leaves his hand is "not acceptable".
Time for the Browns Oline to set a higher standard of actually "protecting" their QB.
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The only reason to trade McCoy right now is if he has an attitude problem.
Right now he is obviously hurting. I posted a video of him back in the Mangini era, discussing the upcoming Steelers game in December of 2010. Bear in mind that this was when he was supposedly being abused by the coaching staff and so on .....
He was upbeat, alert, energized, and happy. He didn't stumble over his words. He spoke rapidly, but with conviction. Man he was excited.
Then we have the latest presser, and he literally looked like someone had beat him.
I do feel kinda bad, because I think that he really did try last year. He just simply was not good enough. I feel kinda bad because he organized, and in some cases even flew in teammates on his dime to work out at the "Camp Colts". I think that the commitment was there on McCoy's part. I think that he wants to be great, and wants to be the leader of this team, Unfortunately, I don't think that the has the talent and ability to be great.
I can't imagine that any other team is going to try all that hard to get him unless it's to take a flyer on him with a very low draft pick. (Like Holmgren did with Frye several years ago) I would be stunned beyond words if any team traded for him to be a starter. I just do not see any team with a combination of a fit and a need.
I think that McCoy's future is to be a backup until this contract runs out. By that point, the Browns will decide if they want to even try to resign him, or if they want to take another body in the draft. If Weeden works out, then I would think that they will look for a guy more similar to Weeden, with more of an arm.
Anyway ..... obviously this is all conjecture, but it is my educated guess anyway.
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Not even close to it.
The guy didn't play for 5 years, he doesn't have half the wear-n-tear that a normal 28 year old in the NFL would have.
There's no reason at all that he cannot play until he is close to 40.... especially with the line we've built/are building and the running back he has now.
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1. Who cares what Colt wants? What is good for the Browns is all that matters. Colt will get paid to do as he's told.
2. There is nearly zero chance that we keep both McCoy AND Wallace.
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Man, I hope not. Everything the team does at this point should be to have Weeden as prepared and comfortable as possbile.
I hope Colt is traded before the first exhibition game.
I really don't think it matters either way to be honest. But if in camp, colt shows better than Weeden, how could they NOT give him the nod in the first preseason game. (not that that's what I expect, just saying)
Bottom line on this, If weeden comes out and smokes McCoy,, the decision is so freakin easy,, they'll make it quickly. the whole team will see it's a done deal and for good reason.
The thing that will bother lots of folks on here is if Weeden doesn't smoke McCoy.. then what?
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no offense, but it is nearly impossible to judge one's state of mind from a presser. just too many variables.
did he just finish a hard practice before this last one whereas he was rested before the one you remember? are you projecting what you think more than what he is feeling?
I agree though. as long as he is still working, there is no reason to trade him.
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Not really, because even last year he started out the year upbeat, and by the middle to end of "his" year he was more beat down.
It's almost impossible to see it on a game by game, week by week basis, but if you go watch his pressers from the past couple of years, you'll see a very different kid today compared to when he first got here.
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I have watched his pressers, at times he's upbeat, other times he's completely monotone. I don't think it's a trend one way or the other.
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j/c..
I mean how chipper do you want a guy to be now that he's on the other end of the spectrum, and someone is about to take his job..
I think he said the right things in his presser. I still can't believe someone had the nerve to ask him about Heckert's quote.
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That last part should be purple right?
Absolutely, and not just because it was Purple who said it. 
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Colt McCoy would be the backup (at best) on every other team in the NFL. Many teams likely won't even look at him because of his lack of size/arm/accuracy.
What's he going to do .... demand a trade? What if no one wants to trade for him? What if the best the Browns can find is a deal for a conditional 7th rounder? Would they make that deal?
I'm not going to try to deny your point. But yes, I feel if Colt doesn't get the oppertunity he was promised and it's determined his attitude is detrimental to the locker room, not only would they be willing to take a seventh rounder, they may even cut him if they feel there is no other choice. To me, that simply isn't the issue. My point was far more a team/locker room continuity point.
With a young team and the price we are paying for Colt, having him here as a long term back-up QB would be the ideal situation IMO. It's hard to develop team chemistry and an atmosphere for success, especially with such a young team, when one of your QB's feels you decieved him, lied to him and refused to give him the oppertunity you promised him.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying to drag it out through the pre-season. All I'm saying is that by naming the starter now, I could see how the only way to keep harmony in the locker room, would be to remove Colt from this team no matter how you would have to go about that.
I don't want to see that happen because people feel some great need to name a starter based solely on OTA's. I've found that more times than not, plans that succeed are not done in a heated rush. They are a process that makes things come together for everyone.
I would hate to see a situation that could turn out to be a great positive for the Browns, turned into a huge negative due to impatience and a lack of giving Colt the fair shake he was promised.
Once again, I'm not promoting it be a long, drawn out process. But to name a starter now, could only serve to undermine the betterment of the team as a whole for the long run as it pertains to Colt accepting the role as our back-up QB for the long haul IMO
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I honestly think that a lot of that stuff is overblown.
Each and every guy in the locker room knows that they could be, and will be replaced at a moment's notice. They could be replaced by a draft pick, a free agent, or even some guy off the street at any time because of their play, the other guy's good play, age, money, or other factors.
If it can happen to them, why should the QB be a sacred cow?
I saw pictures of Weeden talking to guys like DQ, and other defensive players, and smiling it up. I don;t think that anyone on the team is going to have a problem when the announcement comes that Weeden is the starting QB for the Cleveland Browns. He has handled himself with class and maturity, but has also left little doubt that he expects to be the guy. His play has far outstripped McCoy's, even in just a small sample. If reporters are noticing that Weeden hits guys in stride and on time, while McCoy does not, then players do too. (especially, I would bet, the much maligned members of the receivers corp)
I bet the defensive guys are hoping for more than 13.6 PPG as well.
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That's a lot of ifs,, but, I'll say this, If Colt competes and looses and throws a hissy fit in the locker room,,, they'll take box of unsalted peanuts for him.
But unless I miss my guess.. Colt will be a good soldier, do his job, keep his trap shut, and be ready when or if called upon.
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If it can happen to them, why should the QB be a sacred cow?
There is a huge difference in calling this a "sacred cow" scenario and what it really is.
After Weeden was drafted they told Colt he would get a chance to compete for the starting QB position.
So it has nothing to do with some position or person being a "sacred cow" and it has everything to do with wheather this FO follows through with their promise they made to Colt "after" Weeden was picked.
I not only think it would speak volumes to Colt, but to every man on the Browns roster. I don't think rushing to name Weeden the starter now would create a very good environment for future dealings and negotiations with anyone on our roster.
I mean if it's obvious to them all that they flat out lied to Colt, what kind of precident are they setting and what message does that send to our players?
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