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You take T-Rich and put him in Jim Browns time and he would of made Jim Brown look like a "ordinary back".....Jim Brown do us all a favor shut up and get over yourself, you played in todays game you would make Montario Oneyardesty look like a All-Pro.
Oh,, I don't know about that. There were plenty of shorter, stockier, stronger backs out there in Browns hayday, but most didn't have the drive, ambition and balance that Brown had.
He just made people look silly the way he ran. Not many like him before or since.
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I take it you never shook that man's hand.
Dude was and is a beast.
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Nothing wrong with what Jim Brown said.
I wonder if T Richardson is going to be as good as LaMichael James, or Lashawn McCoy, or as good as what I have seen from even Dan Heron.
It doesn't matter either way, because he is who the Browns have got.
I wouldn't necessarilly put T Rich ahead of Mark Ingram, or Ray Rice, or A Peterson, certainly not yet, before anyones seen him play in the NFL.
Ordinary is not an " out of line" description. That's why they play the games.
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I wonder if T Richardson is going to be as good as LaMichael James, or Lashawn McCoy, or as good as what I have seen from even Dan Heron.
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I wonder if T Richardson is going to be as good as LaMichael James, or Lashawn McCoy, or as good as what I have seen from even Dan Heron.
I was ganna go with  but that fits just as well...
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what's funny is that I saw the last post first. and I knew it was TL.
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I take it you never shook that man's hand.
Dude was and is a beast.
With his track record of arrests, violence, and bitterness, if he offered his hand I'm rather sure I wouldn't shake it.
Great player, sketchy individual, poor representative of not only the Browns organization but of men as well.
Everyone deserves a second chance to learn from their mistakes. Jim Brown has been bullying his way through life for more than 40 years.
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I take it you never shook that man's hand.
Dude was and is a beast.
With his track record of arrests, violence, and bitterness, if he offered his hand I'm rather sure I wouldn't shake it.
Great player, sketchy individual, poor representative of not only the Browns organization but of men as well.
Everyone deserves a second chance to learn from their mistakes. Jim Brown has been bullying his way through life for more than 40 years.
Thanks Toad I was just about to respond and you took the words right out of my mouth!
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I actually agree with Brown. I think Trent will be okay but nothing special. I still think we should have taken Blackmon but I digress.
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See, I think that Richardson will be great, and that Blackmon will be nothing really special.
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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It'll look like hindsight, but I said well before the draft that RB depth charts around the league were saturated and thus some nice RB value will fall in the draft... I think I would have preferred Blackmon-Weeden and Lamar Miller in the late 3rd or Turbin in the 4th over TR-Weeden-Benjamin....instant QB-WR chemistry and still a day 1 ready RB....now we have an AP-like RB and a project at WR That's what I'm preaching before every draft: value, value, value...we now have the best RB but then had to reach for the 15th? best WR in that class, we could have had the best WR and the 7th? 8th? best RB by spending exactly the same picks (actually, we would have 3 more picks since we didn't have to uptrade for Blackmon)....if we just used the picks according to positional value....NEVER, ever listen to the fan consensus TR could become another Mack-like pick for me: good player, but bad value...if Benjamin "busts" (a 4th rounder can't really bust, but if he doesn't become a contributor and at least decent starter), you will never hear the end of it from me  ....TR really has to give us at least 6 AP like seasons to be worth the 4 picks we invested for him...we bought very high, I hope he delivers and above all: stays healthy
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Yes you do........
I had to quote you on this for future refrance. LOL
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See, I think that Richardson will be great, and that Blackmon will be nothing really special.
Exactly!
When a WR makes a hghlight reel, it's supposed to show his great athletic ability to make spectacular catches. Yet when you look at Blackmons, the vast majority of the time, passes were hitting him right in the numbers, in stride or right over his shoulder where only he could catch it and placed where it could be caught with great ease.
To me, they looked more like Weeden highlight reels!
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See, I think that Richardson will be great, and that Blackmon will be nothing really special.
Exactly!
When a WR makes a hghlight reel, it's supposed to show his great athletic ability to make spectacular catches. Yet when you look at Blackmons, the vast majority of the time, passes were hitting him right in the numbers, in stride or right over his shoulder where only he could catch it and placed where it could be caught with great ease.
To me, they looked more like Weeden highlight reels!
that's the way I'd like to see it.. and Hope that's the way it works out,, cause if so,, man, we got us a winner 
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See, I think that Richardson will be great, and that Blackmon will be nothing really special.
Exactly!
When a WR makes a hghlight reel, it's supposed to show his great athletic ability to make spectacular catches. Yet when you look at Blackmons, the vast majority of the time, passes were hitting him right in the numbers, in stride or right over his shoulder where only he could catch it and placed where it could be caught with great ease.
To me, they looked more like Weeden highlight reels!
Now this is wrong. Blackmon had elite body control and could always adjust to a pass. He made Brandon Weeden.
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“If you look at Emmitt Smith and the kind of blocking he had, I don’t think he’d have close to the career he had (without it),” Brown said.
Jim Brown, I ask you, if you did not have the blocking and offensive talent the Cleveland Browns surrounded you with, what kind of career would you have had?
Reading that comment, I wondered if Jim Brown was being a "self centered hypocrite", thinking he was the only person responsible for the rushing records accumulated?
If you go back and look at the Cleveland Browns during the period Jim Brown played, you will find that he was drafted by a team that was loaded with talent.
Jim seems to have forgotten those who helped him achieve his rushing records...guys like Dick Schafrath, Gene Hickerson, Lou Groza (OT), Jimmy Ray Smith, John Morrow...some of the outstanding offensive linemen who opened holes for the arrogant, self centered Jim Brown.
Dissing Richardson is a new low for Jim, attacking TR because he's bitter and hate filled toward Holmgren and the Browns.
This article by a reporter looking to grind an axe, featuring an old bitter man with an axe to grind.
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With his track record of arrests, violence, and bitterness, if he offered his hand I'm rather sure I wouldn't shake it.
Great player, sketchy individual, poor representative of not only the Browns organization but of men as well.
Everyone deserves a second chance to learn from their mistakes. Jim Brown has been bullying his way through life for more than 40 years.
Well said and I completely agree.
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I don't believe the reporter used Brown to grind the axe. I believe he knew that Brown would say exactly what he said which would do exactly what the reporter wants to do; sell newspapers.
Wanna stir the pot in Cleveland? Put the Mic in front of the bitter old man. He's more than happy to vent.
The only way to shove Brown to the curb where he belongs is to stop asking him questions.
Who would of thought Jim Brown would become a #1 troll...
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I agree with that.
Look I think we got a very good RB and perhaps there is a little more value at the position in our division, but you don't beat the Steelers and Ravens running the ball.
The running game will certainly help our offense, but we are going to have to be able to go vertical if we are to have any chance and the defense is going to have to improve as well. Greg Little will probably be the guy they try to take away by scheming and game planning.
Someone else has to emerge and step up their game. I have very little expectations that Moe will be that player in fact I'm of the opinion that he has taken PT away from guys like Mitchell and waiting on him (like with Robo) to become a factor has kept that position in limbo.
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Jim seems to have forgotten those who helped him achieve his rushing records...guys like Dick Schafrath, Gene Hickerson, Lou Groza (OT), Jimmy Ray Smith, John Morrow...some of the outstanding offensive linemen who opened holes for the arrogant, self centered Jim Brown.
Whatever you may think of Jim Brown's statements and apparent bitterness since leaving the Browns, it is not fair to say that he did not acknowledge his offensive line. He pushed for years for Gene Hickerson to get into the HOF, and, along with Bobby Mitchell and Leroy Kelly, helped the incapacitated Hickerson accept the award. He still speaks on behalf of Dick Schafrath for the same reason. Schafrath, a 3 time All-Pro and 7 time Pro Bowler, said that knowing Jim Brown thinks he belongs in the HOF means a lot to him, all the while knowing it probably won't happen.
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Jim Brown was born in 1936.
He has lived a complex life and he is a complicated man. Anyone can have an opinion about Jim Brown but remember that opinion has been formed by what you have read about him. You have not walked in his shoes.
Over the years he has been quoted and again you can form an opinion from those quotes. However, that does not mean you know Jim Brown.
There have been a number of instances where Jim Brown was involved in publicized charges or situations that have led to more reports about his personal life. Again the information we as the public get is second hand and we often do not get both sides of the story.
I am not defending Jim Brown or condoning some of his behavior. At the same time I recognize that a public life does not always provide a clear picture into the true life of the person.
As a player:
Jim Brown averaged 104.3 yards a game and 5.2 yards per carry average over a nine year period.
Barry Sanders is second with 99.8 yards a game average and 5.0 yards per carry average.
Jim Brown is entitled to his opinion.
I do not agree with him in regards to Trent Richardson.
Trent Richardson will forge his own career. He does not need the validation of Jim Brown or anyone else.
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Uh, not for nothing but...thats HOW you beat those teams. If they can't stop ya, their done.
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So let's say you're in Berea being led around by a member of the Browns staff and Jim Brown comes up and holds his hand out to shake your hand.
"I'm sorry sir but with your track record of arrests, violence, and bitterness I can't in good conscious shake your hand"
Ok then.
The reason I posted that is that he's still intimidating as hell. And his hands are as strong as an ox. I don't care what era you're talking about he'd be one of the greatest. To say he'd make Monterio Hardesty look like an All-Pro is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read here.
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Agreed - the guy weighed 230, ran somewhere between 9.4 and 9.6 in the 100 yd dash, and was a world class athlete. His abilities transcend eras. Now that he's 76, he's probably even more intimidating, because (a.) he's grouchier than ever and (b.) he walks with a cane, and I do believe that cane is dual-purpose in case anyone is dumb enough to attack him.
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what's kind of funny is this article could have been written right after the draft. Instead, Grossi pulls it out a month later. And what is the point??? Its just sour grapes by Grossi, he knew the answers he would get before he even asked them. Its just senility on Brown's part, to many blows to the head.
If we get E. Smith production out of Richardson, i'd be quite happy. He didn't have elite speed, but man, did he have balance and vision. And he was tough, played thru many injuries..... I'd take that in a RB any day.
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FWIW, I don't think JB was saying Richardson would fail. I think he was saying that when he looks at Richardson, he doesn't see a Brown, a Sayers, a Simpson, or a Dickerson. He doesn't see "special". Like you, I'd be thrilled with Emmitt Smith type production, and I think it would be worth what we gave up to get it. As far as Grossi goes, he has a nose for conflict and he knows that Jim Brown is a bottomless well for quotes. I don't get the "shoot the messenger" attitude on this board for a guy doing what reporters are paid to do. If you want the company line, read the articles at Browns.com.
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imagine if Jim used Shaun Alexander (a Bama RB like Richardson who had a great OL in the NFL blocking for him) instead of Emmitt
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Funny you should mention Alexander. I always thought his running style reminded me more of Jim Brown than any other RB. He had the glide.
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So let's say you're in Berea being led around by a member of the Browns staff and Jim Brown comes up and holds his hand out to shake your hand.
"I'm sorry sir but with your track record of arrests, violence, and bitterness I can't in good conscious shake your hand"
Ok then.
In the early 90's I met Texas Governor Ann Richards, and politely declined to shake her hand. If I could do that as a 20-year old, I'm rather firm in my belief that I could muster the courage to politely decline the handshake of a man I don't respect now that I'm a full-grown adult.Quote:
The reason I posted that is that he's still intimidating as hell. And his hands are as strong as an ox. I don't care what era you're talking about he'd be one of the greatest. To say he'd make Monterio Hardesty look like an All-Pro is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read here.
I know where you were going, and yes, he'd be intimidating as Hell, even in his 70's. Still, I don't socialize with people I don't respect.
Besides, I'd say the odds of people in Berea walking me around and seeing Jim Brown there are about as likely as me being given a tour of Shea Stadium by Fred Wilpon and having him introduce me to his good buddy Bernie Madoff...
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dave...sorry, but when Jim Brown said this...
"“If you look at Emmitt Smith and the kind of blocking he had, I don’t think he’d have close to the career he had (without it),” Brown said."...
...my first thought was, look in the damn mirror, Jim...because your career would not have been near what it was without the outstanding supporting cast the Cleveland Browns surrounded you with.
It's obvious Jim wanted to use the interview as an opportunity to bash the Browns, Holmgren and Trent Richardson and he did just that. Grossi is no better because he knew what Jim was going to say , given the questions he asked.
Dave...Jim Brown has become an ungrateful, bitter old man driven by one goal...to try to get even with anyone he feels may have wronged him. I've lost all respect for him and I hope the entire team uses Brown's criticism as motivation to prove him wrong...wrong about the "mess" and wrong about the "ordinary" running back the Browns drafted this year.
We can look forward to Grossi using JB as a source for future negative attacks upon Holmgren, Richardson and the Browns...write it down.
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I do look at a lot of Jim Brown clips, and while there are a lot where he breaks tackles, there are also a lot where he is untouched for about 10-15 yards. Part of that was great vision, but there are a lot of runs where he doesn't have to make a cut in the hole, and he still goes for an easy 10 yards.
I think that Jim Brown was a great player, but he also played on a great team. Leroy Kelly didn't exactly drop the ball the year after Brown retired. He had almost as many TD (17 for Browns on 289 carries in 1965 vs 15 for Kelly on 209 carries in 1966) and a better rushing average than Brown did in his final year. (5.5 for Kelly vs 5.3 for Brown)
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Can a reporter PLEASE ask Emmitt Smith what he thinks about Jim Brown's comments.
I think if you're Jim Brown, and you take a shot at the guy who is considered to be the best or 2nd best RB of all time, you clearly have problems...
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Can a reporter PLEASE ask Emmitt Smith what he thinks about Jim Brown's comments.
I think if you're Jim Brown, and you take a shot at the guy who is considered to be the best or 2nd best RB of all time, you clearly have problems...
It pains me to say this, but Brown is and has been a joke for 20 years.... maybe a few more than that.
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So if we go by Jimmys logic we should all be as impressed with Fontenot's career as we are with Emmit's 
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J/C When reading this story two things stick out to me..sour grapes from Grossi and Brown. Lerner was paying Brown a half a million a year as an "advisor", what a joke. I have to wonder if he was the one who was advising Lerner thru his many mistakes. Brown is bitter, and he has become a nobody and he knows it. His opinion means squat. Just because he was a good player, it doesn't mean he knows anything about player evaluation or any managerial part of running a team. The guy quit to be in movies, he had his heyday. I think he uses the Browns shortcoming to hold up his status with the team. Holmgren, IMO, as president saw a guy with no purpose, except to make comments about things he didn't like, making $500,000 a year from the team.Dead weight is what I call him. I think Brown shutters at the thought of someone coming to this team and equaling his success, or topping it. What else does the guy do? Grossi cooked his goose with the team, and now has found an ally to call upon to help with his getting back at the team. 2 pompous asses....what a great couple. 1964 was a long time ago Jim, move along with your holier than thou persona, and maybe try doing something positive for a change. His not showing up for the ring of honor ceremony ought to tell you were his loyalties lie. He was around the team because he was making money being Jim Brown. As soon as the gravy train ended, his "love" for the team ended. Him not showing up meant nothing to the FO, but was a smack in the teeth to the thousands of loyal fans who worship the guy. If you ask me it was a childish immature act by a coddled ex player. He dissed the fans, not the Browns...........@%&$# him!!!
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I pretty much asked the same question further up the thread.. I'm thinking that Brown advised, Lerner accepted blindly (and why not, look who Brown is) and when it blew up, he hired holmgren and he saw it for what it was and the next thing you know,, Brown is on the outside looking in.
Sour grapes,, Hells yeah..
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