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... and WRs who couldn't get the ball thrown to them because they absolutely sucked (along with the rest of the offense).
There... fixed it for 'ya. 
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Who does this team have that the league has to respect?
Thomas, Mack, Rubin, Haden and maybe Trent? There is no reason to respect our recievers or anyone else on our defense.
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We had 3 positions on offense that were horrible last year and each was upgraded possibly with very high picks. I didn't think our receivers had a chance with Colt and now we get to find out if it was receivers or QB.
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I would argue Sheard, Taylor when healthy, and Jackson command respect.
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I don't think we're as bad as the boys in Vegas have us pegged to be, but the Wise-Guys who make a living by betting money have us as the worst team in the league.
And early last season those same guys had us favored to win in some of our early contests and lost their rear ends!
I did a lot of gambling when I was younger. Nothing real high stakes, but still a lot of smaller wagers. You may not win lots of money, but usually "the safe bet" wins out.
With a rookie QB and a rookie RB and as young as our team is, Vegas is making the "smart bet" when it comes to us. I can't disagree with that line of thinking as it pertains to gambling.
However, they do call it gambling for a reason. I think the odds makers would have been better served by undertanding who Colt McCoy was and who he wasn't. That our FO was building a defense and our offense really wasn't going to score much more, if any more points last season. Then they wouldn't have bit it big time last season favoring us early.
So yes, until they actually see something from us to show otherwise, history dictates they make the "safe bet".
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Thomas, Mack, Rubin, Haden and maybe Trent? There is no reason to respect our recievers or anyone else on our defense.
Don't you think it may be wise until we wait and see someone actually hit our WR's in stride, where they actually have a chance at some YAC before we pass judgement?
I can show you a lot of late round picks and UDFA's who look pretty darned good with a good QB throwing to them. When the ball is behind you or you have to stop or slow down to catch it, pretty soon you start to hear footsteps.
If we can correct that problem, we really have no idea what we do or don't have at WR IMO
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I would argue Sheard, Taylor when healthy, and Jackson command respect.
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Right off the top of my head...Sheard had 8.5 sacks. You don't think that commands a little respect?
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I would argue Sheard, Taylor when healthy, and Jackson command respect.
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Jackson had a great year after being out for 2 years. He's in the right defense now. 158 tackles. Defensive player of the month. Good comeback year. Not saying he's all pro but he commands respect.
Taylor and Sheard both had excellent rookie seasons.
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I agree that we will be better.
But,the 4 players you referenced as being added are all rookies.Add that to the basically 4 second year guys,and we're talking about alot of youth and the growing pains that will accompany them.While that seemingly bodes well for the future,we might not get to see that future till late in this season.
The schedule is tougher,we play several out of division teams that are good year in and year,and the division is good.
So ,youth and a tough schedule,means we might have to be satisfied with 5-6 wins.
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Right off the top of my head...Sheard had 8.5 sacks. You don't think that commands a little respect?
Does Marcus Benard "command respect" after posting 7.5 sacks not to long ago?
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Right off the top of my head...Sheard had 8.5 sacks. You don't think that commands a little respect?
Does Marcus Benard "command respect" after posting 7.5 sacks not to long ago?
well, if we were still in a 3-4 and he wasn't coming off a season spent on the IR, then I would bet offensive coaches would pay some attention to where he was on passing downs.
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Very true Dave. We aren't as far away as some people like to paint the picture to be.
A couple of plays here and there combined with a little attitude (which I think TRich and Weeden will bring to the table), and we are a competative football team.
To me, it looks like Weeden and TRich have the attitude that anything less than a win is unacceptable. It seems like too many of the players we have had in the past just wanted to be on the roster and and collect their paychecks. Win, lose, tie whatever. I could be wrong. But these guys have that I refuse to let us lose attitude that I haven't seen around here in a long while.
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Man, the over/under at the Hilton right now is 4.5 wins.
The over is paying at -120 ($120 gets you $100).
I'm thinking of going big on this.
I mean there's no way we finish with less than 5 wins, is there?
What's the under pay? Just curious.
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We had 3 positions on offense that were horrible last year and each was upgraded possibly with very high picks. I didn't think our receivers had a chance with Colt and now we get to find out if it was receivers or QB.
Or both 
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I believe it's even money.
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I agree that we will be better.
But,the 4 players you referenced as being added are all rookies.Add that to the basically 4 second year guys,and we're talking about alot of youth and the growing pains that will accompany them.While that seemingly bodes well for the future,we might not get to see that future till late in this season.
The schedule is tougher,we play several out of division teams that are good year in and year,and the division is good.
So ,youth and a tough schedule,means we might have to be satisfied with 5-6 wins.
We think that the schedule will be difficult, but no one really knows for certain until the games play out.
I want to see definitive progress, and I want to see more wins than we had last year. You can measure progress in more ways than "just" wins ..... but sooner or later you do have to win.
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Weird to think that Weeden will be 29 this year, which is the same age Kosar was when Belichik cut him for "diminishing skills."
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Just watched the Gruden QB predraft special on Weeden. I highly encourage people to go back and view it through the lens of current Browns starter.
I have to say it made me a little uneasy. Maybe even queezy!
The guy throws the ball great! It pops out of his hand.
But wow he is going to make some really bad decisions and throw some telegraphed passes. Especially in his first year.
The ceiling is high. The floor is a little lower than i thought though.
If we can keep pressure off him. (I think we can)
And if we can force defenses to Play 8 in the box. (likely)
Then we could score some points. Rank 12-20 in the NFL type points.
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If he starts all the games, I got the over.
In fact, I think he stands a shot at breaking the dubious record of INT's thrown which is 26 by Sipe.
Let's see...Pure gunslinger coming from a spread offense where he never has taken snaps from under center who is a rookie in an unfamiliar and complicated offense where he's going to have to throw the ball a ton as he tries to come from behind and is skittish at best under pressure and flat-out bad at worst while throwing to an iffy group of young receivers.
Check.
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If we can keep pressure off him. (I think we can)
held...the key to the success of any QB is the Offensive lines ability to "protect" their QB.
With Weeden being a pocket passer, the challenge for the Browns Oline is to form a pocket and hold their blocks until Weeden gets the pass is away. It sound so simple but it was one of the major issues with the Browns Oline last season...the center of the pocket collapsing too quickly.
There were times when the QB would drop back to pass after taking the snap from under center and the defensive push coming up the middle was within a couple of yards of the QB as he was setting up.
Instead of meeting the DTs/LBs at (or near) the LOS, our OGs would give ground, allowing the defense to get a massive push, collapsing the middle of the pocket and forcing the QB to get rid of the ball or run for his life.
THAT MUST STOP...Pinkston and Lauvao need to improve their strength and quickness so they can meet the rush and not get shoved back into the QBs face.
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i'd have to over as well. but if he throws 25INTs while also throwing 22-23TDs, I'd be okay with that from him as a rookie.
(gotta be hopeful somewhere right?)
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Weeden is gonna see alot of fire and zone blitzes. and thats something the Browns o-line had trouble with in 2011 was trying to figure out blitz packages.
While the Browns might have some physical o-lineman,where they come up short is the mental part in pass protection.
Weeden will get bad before he gets good. I expect him to be checking down to #33 quite a bit on 3rd down this year.
He never had to throw to a TE down the seams too much at OSU.
His rocket arm will allow him to put the ball in those tight windows,and at times he will overtrust his arm.
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Over/Under INTs for Weeden: 20
List of QB Ints in 2011...
1. Ryan Fitzpatrick, 23
2. Josh Freeman, 22
3. Rex Grossman, 20
4. Philip Rivers, 20
5. Mark Sanchez, 18
6.Cam Newton, 17
7. Carson Palmer, 16
8.Eli Manning, 16
9. Matthew Stafford, 16
10. Matt Hasselbeck, 14
11. Michael Vick, 14
12. Drew Brees, 14
13. Ben Roethlisberger, 14
14. John Skelton, 14
I could see Weeden throwing more than 20 ints, given that he's a rookie playing behind an Oline that is short on experience at 3 of the 5 positions.
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Under. He should have an excellent running game to take the pressure off of him. Hopefully he won't be in a lot off 3rd and forever..
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Under. If for no other reason than you say over. I need to mark this thread.
You need not do the same.
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 Seeing as how we've had exactly one QB start every game in a season since '99, I'd say taking the time to bookmark this thread is five seconds of your life you'll wish you could have back.
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Help me out toad
You do not like Colt, Tannehill or Weeden. Who exactly did you want?
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You do not like Colt, Tannehill or Weeden. Who exactly did you want?
He wants Jason Campbell 
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You do not like Colt, Tannehill or Weeden. Who exactly did you want?
Griffin. 
(Shaddup, P!)
For the record, it wasn't that I didn't like Tannehill or Weeden. I didn't like them where they were drafted. In Weeden's case I think he went a full couple of rounds early, but that's neither here nor there. Tannehill's only logical destination was Miami, considering their system and current QB situation.
As for Colt, well, I never viewed him as NFL starting material when he was at Texas. At least these other guys have NFL tools.
I'm sounding pessimistic on Weeden because fans are expecting way too much out of him so soon. The media sure isn't helping cure that ailment.
Lemme tell ya how this year is going to play out...
All we're hearing right now is that We MUST start Weeden no matter what. We didn't draft him at #22 to sit on the bench blah blah blah...He's going to be 29 when the season starts so he can't sit on the bench blah blah blah...that's all we're going to get.
But once the bullets start flying and he gets rocked, the media is going to start taking my approach, which is that regardless of his age, everyone is going to have to be very patient with him. Suddenly the words are gonna be something like "Just because he's 29 doesn't mean you can rush him. He's a young QB in terms of playing the position so you have to treat him as if he were 22."
I'm figuring those words are going to start appearing in October...
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But once the bullets start flying and he gets rocked, the media is going to start taking my approach, which is that regardless of his age, everyone is going to have to be very patient with him. Suddenly the words are gonna be something like "Just because he's 29 doesn't mean you can rush him. He's a young QB in terms of playing the position so you have to treat him as if he were 22."
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He is a 29 year old rookie, but a rookie none the less. His baseball experience provides zero background for the NFL.
What will help him is if the Browns can consistently run the ball. The OL should be better and the RB's if healthy should be way better.
The issue for Weeden as it is for any rookie QB is learning NFL defenses.
How he will fare remains to be seen.
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His baseball experience provides zero background for the NFL.
I don't buy that. No doubt it doesn't help with the X's and O's, or reading a D. He's going to have to deal with that like any rookie would. What he won't have to get accustomed to is being a pro player. The things expected, travel, attitude, etc. He isn't a rookie in that regard, so that is one less thing that will be new and cause some level of distraction.
All high school players have a big adjustment when they go off to play big time college sports. The intensity level is way different. It's just as big or bigger a difference once a college player goes off and starts drawing a paycheck for playing.
Let me add that baseball is a great sport and the experiences from which will help with his football mentality.
Baseball is a game of failure.Not as much as a pitcher, but I am sure he played more that that as he came up. You are considered a superstar if you hit the ball safely 30% of the time. Baseball builds character because you won't make it if you can't deal with failure.
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I don't buy that. No doubt it doesn't help with the X's and O's, or reading a D. He's going to have to deal with that like any rookie would. What he won't have to get accustomed to is being a pro player. The things expected, travel, attitude, etc. He isn't a rookie in that regard, so that is one less thing that will be new and cause some level of distraction.
All high school players have a big adjustment when they go off to play big time college sports. The intensity level is way different. It's just as big or bigger a difference once a college player goes off and starts drawing a paycheck for playing.
I also agree with peen. He knows the pressure of being the man with the ball always in his hands.. It will help him, and hopefully he will play his game and not hold back because he's not scared to make mistakes.
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I don't buy that. No doubt it doesn't help with the X's and O's, or reading a D. He's going to have to deal with that like any rookie would. What he won't have to get accustomed to is being a pro player. The things expected, travel, attitude, etc. He isn't a rookie in that regard, so that is one less thing that will be new and cause some level of distraction.
All high school players have a big adjustment when they go off to play big time college sports. The intensity level is way different. It's just as big or bigger a difference once a college player goes off and starts drawing a paycheck for playing.
Let me add that baseball is a great sport and the experiences from which will help with his football mentality.
Baseball is a game of failure.Not as much as a pitcher, but I am sure he played more that that as he came up. You are considered a superstar if you hit the ball safely 30% of the time. Baseball builds character because you won't make it if you can't deal with failure.
I agree. Instead of having to learn how to be a pro, along with learning a new offense, he can just concentrate on learning the new offense. I think that helps a great deal.
I also think that his age helps him with his teammates. It seems like they treat him more like a veteran than like a rookie thus far. He certainly conducts himself that way. Yesterday, for example, we have no idea whether it was a mistake on Weeden's part, or on Cribbs' fault when he threw one way and Cribbs ran the other way ...... but Weeden never hesitated to take the responsibility and protect his receiver. Guys appreciate that ..... even the ones not involved in that play.
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I think I probably heard it hear last too because you're the only one that thinks it let alone is crazy enough to say it.
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