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I think he would make a great back-up too. But at his age, don't you think the minute his contract is up, if he gets even a chance to compete for the starting job elsewhere, he'll be gone? Then we're left with nothing.
The alternative is Wallace at this point. he's 32, he's really a "Never was". So if we keep him, we've got nothing in two years either. What's the difference.
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I think he would make a great back-up too. But at his age, don't you think the minute his contract is up, if he gets even a chance to compete for the starting job elsewhere, he'll be gone? Then we're left with nothing.
What team is going to bring him in to "challenge for a starting job"?
With all due respect to Colt McCoy, he is a limited QB who will almost certainly never be anyone's long term solution at QB. If he manages to get a starting gig somewhere down the road, it will almost certainly be a deal like here, where he started until the "real" QB could be found. He simply has too many limitations to ever be a long term starting QB for a quality NFL team.
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From yesterday . . . Browns plan to keep Colt McCoy, Seneca Wallace Cleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren said the plan at this point is to keep QBs Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace on the roster but indicated that the team may decide to change their plan later on. Source: The Cleveland Plain Dealer - Mary Kay Cabot And today . . . ?  Colt McCoy reportedly put on trading block by BrownsBy Gregg Rosenthal Around The League editor June 15, 2012 at 10:16 a.m. The Cleveland Browns reportedly tried to trade quarterback Colt McCoy during the draft. It didn't work, so the team kept him on the roster throughout the offseason. Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com writes Friday: "When Weeden was drafted, I was told by an NFL source that the Browns didn’t want to 'pile on' McCoy and just release him. They were sensitive to the fact he had gotten such a raw deal already." "I think (Colt's) a wonderful young man, and a good football player," Holmgren said. "And if you are asking me to say was it fair last year? He had a tough go and he didn’t get as much help as I thought he was going to get. But heck, that’s football.” Translation: Thanks for trying. It wasn't enough. Seneca Wallace can't imagine there being enough room for him and McCoy on the roster. Wallace knows things. Holmgren is likely to look for a way out for McCoy. "They would like to find McCoy a new team, a new opportunity, to spare him the ignominy of being released. They will not demand much in a trade," Grossi writes. A conditional late-round pick would probably get it done. We'd be on that happening. The Browns are trying to do McCoy a favor, but it doesn't do the 2012 Browns much of a favor to have this story drag out through August.
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Tony Grossi of ESPNCleveland.com writes Friday: "Word is.... When Weeden was drafted, I was told by an NFL source that the Browns didn’t want to 'pile on' McCoy and just release him. They were sensitive to the fact he had gotten such a raw deal already."
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well PitDawg, you say Colt can't make all the throws with consistancy. That might well be true. But I can tell you that the Browns WR's can't catch the ball with any consistancy or run the correct routes with any consistancy. The o-line was inconsistant all year. Pat Shurmurs play calling sucked all year.
You are acting like Colt was the single biggest reason why the offense was so inept last year. Its was a alot of things.
and I will repeat,if Colt didn't have the goods why bother drafting him at all?
see this is why the Browns have zero division titles and 1 playoff appearance since 1999. They don't draft well or bring in free agents that provide difference making attributes. They hire coaches that have no business being HC.
They hire OC that aren't ready to be OC.
and when they have a good position coach (Brad Seely) they let him walk.
you put Brandon Weeden on this team last year and tell me how you think he would have done?
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Its pretty hard to look good when your wideouts lead the league in drops. You're right when you say Colt can't make all the throws. Some of his outs spend an awful lot of time in the air. But, I still think Colt can develop into a good backup who could win us some games if the starter goes down. Thats if the Browns ever draft some WR's.
As for Colt leaving, who knows? He may get a chance to start somewhere but probably not. I don't see Colt as a QB that shows alot in practice. His deep outs and 50 plus yards passes will not make Coaches and Fans Oh & ah. His strong points will in a few years be game management and ball control. Lets face it , he doesn't have a big arm but to say he is inacterate isn't fair. Remember the Browns are big on drops. Which also hurts our ppg average. I don't think any of our QB's got a fair shake. I hope Weeden is the 1st. It seems like good young QBs are drafted by good teams. Good young QBs that fail miserably are drafted by bad teams.
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I actually think that this is probably fairly close to reality. If I had to bet, I would bet against McCoy being on the roster come kickoff weekend.
We'll probably get a token draft pick, like a 7th rounder, and we'll probably get the standard:
"We really liked Colt, but we did have a logjam at the position. We also had a problem in that we really like Thad Lewis, and didn't want to lose him. Such and such a team expressed an interest in Colt, and we felt that it would help us sort out our QB position, and would be a good move for Colt as well. I respect him for his leadership last year in the off-season, and for all of his hard work last year. We wish him well, and I personally hope that he is wildly successful."
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For your own good, you need to get out of the past and get into the future.
McCoy is the past. You can't change what he is, which is a backup-caliber QB.
It's time to move on.
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Intresting thread. But wasn't the WCO tailor made for a QB that didn't have the rocket type arm and was more about being precise and accurate?
When I think of pure WCO QB's,I think of Kenny Anderson and Joe Montana.
How was the reasoning of drafting McCoy factored out?
Was he a fit for the scheme,or not?
are they gonna tailor the offense toward Weedens strengths or stick with the WCO?
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Welcome to the board, Pigg. Showing your age by naming Ken Anderson. 
There's a massive misconception about the WCO, primarily because everyone over the years has read all about it from its inception but have failed to recognize how the offense has changed over the years. The perfect example of that revolves around how the staple formation was the old Pro-set and variations of it, where the traditional fullback has in many ways been replaced in today's NFL. The basis of the offense now has been adapted from anywhere between the old-school ways of the offense to the newer versions which revolved around Brett Favre, who was anything but a short-throwing, low-risk QB. The offense can be adapted to any style of QB, but the basic premise which remains the same after all these years is as follows: It's based on timed-drops and throwing on-time.
So, with that in mind, can the offense be adapted to a big-armed guy? Absolutely. The same traditional throws will always be there. The difference is that with a guy like Weeden who is willing to throw the ball down the field, the team can run longer routes.
The question won't be whether or not they can adapt the offense to fit Weeden. The question is going to be whether or not Weeden has the accumen and accuracy to succeed within the confines of the system.
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Given that Paul Brown is normally associated with the first version of what is now called the WCO, I wonder, in the archieves down in the belly of the basement in Berea, if there are any old documents outlining how he envisioned it and how he formulated it.
Dang that would be fun stuff to see.
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Given that Paul Brown is normally associated with the first version of what is now called the WCO, I wonder, in the archieves down in the belly of the basement in Berea, if there are any old documents outlining how he envisioned it and how he formulated it.
Dang that would be fun stuff to see.
pretty sure he made dang sure that the bum owner of those Cleveland Browns (when he left) could never get his fingers on any of his blueprints
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Given that Paul Brown is normally associated with the first version of what is now called the WCO, I wonder, in the archieves down in the belly of the basement in Berea, if there are any old documents outlining how he envisioned it and how he formulated it.
Dang that would be fun stuff to see.
pretty sure he made dang sure that the bum owner of those Cleveland Browns (when he left) could never get his fingers on any of his blueprints
blanton Collier took over for Brown and he was more or less a protege of Browns so my guess is that if there is even any kinda archive,, it's all in there...
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well PitDawg, you say Colt can't make all the throws with consistancy. That might well be true.
And that is exactly what a QB is graded on. Everything else doesn't matter if your QB can't make all the throws.
In case you missed it, this FO spendt its high investment on the D the first two drafts and took flyers on some O players. Those who panned out would be kept when it was time to address the O. Those who didn't pan out would be replaced.
Due to the fact Colt couldn't make all of the throws, he was replaced. It's really just that simple. It came time to build an O and they need a QB who can make all of the throws. If Colt could have done that, we wouldn't have drafted Weeden. Everything else is a non-issue in regards to Colts ability or lack there of.
So I really don't know why you waste your time with the rest of it.....
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But I can tell you that the Browns WR's can't catch the ball with any consistancy or run the correct routes with any consistancy.
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The o-line was inconsistant all year. Pat Shurmurs play calling sucked all year.
Once again, Colt either delivered the ball with consistancy where it was supposed to be, or he didn't. He didn't.
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You are acting like Colt was the single biggest reason why the offense was so inept last year. Its was a alot of things.
No,I didn't say that. Colt has one position out of 11 positions on offense. You're just so busy trying to defend him, you read it otherwise.
The QB is the field general of the offense. It is the most critical position on offense. Colt simply couldn't make all of the passes necassary to be a quality NFL QB. That does not excuse anyone in the ther 10 positions and nowhere have I insinuated it did. However, I have seen good QB's make average WR's look pretty darned good.
The LG is evaluated on his play. The RB is evaluated oh his play and so it goes with each position. Colt doesn't have enough arm to stretch the field and he was evaluated and replaced. Nothing more and nothing less.
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and I will repeat,if Colt didn't have the goods why bother drafting him at all?
see this is why the Browns have zero division titles and 1 playoff appearance since 1999.
The problem to your theory is we have had several FO personnel since 99. You lump it all in as one. So it's you who doesn't get it.
You draft a QB at #85 as a project you hope will develop. What don't you get about that? Colt was a winner at Texas. He won more games than any other styarting QB in NCAA history at the time. He is a competitor. So at #85, the kid is worth trying in hopes he will develop as you build your D. The game plan and odds of success for a QB drafted that low are pretty obvious for anyone willing to look at it.
In two years, THIS FO drafted Haden, Sheard (8.5 sacks as a rookie), Taylor, T.J. Ward and watch out for Gregg Little. He had been out of football for a year when he came here. Watch him be a much improved WR this year.
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They don't draft well or bring in free agents that provide difference making attributes. They hire coaches that have no business being HC.
They hire OC that aren't ready to be OC.
and when they have a good position coach (Brad Seely) they let him walk.
you put Brandon Weeden on this team last year and tell me how you think he would have done?
We would have had a QB who could throw long and command respect from oposing D's that would stop them from keeping 8 men in the box all of the time. We would have had a QB with a stronger arm to keep oposing D's honest. I believe we would have had a QB who could have actually hit our WR's in stride to allow for more YAC.
That's about it. Maybe more but probably not much more. I doubt if it would have made much difference in the W/L department. You seem to think I'm trying to say something that I'm not.
But anybody who knows squat knows that later round talent takes time to develop.....well, accept for you.
So most know you can't truely evaluate a draft for three years. So let's see how these players play this year. Yes, Weeden has a better supporting cast. Why? Because this FO built the D first. But what they found out in those first two yrars was that Colt wasn't the answer. Many of us fans did too, Not because of what any others players did or didn't do, but because of what Colt can't do.....
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Its pretty hard to look good when your wideouts lead the league in drops. You're right when you say Colt can't make all the throws. Some of his outs spend an awful lot of time in the air
I think if you look at my post above, I am not blaming Colt for the poor play of the WR's or not "looking good". It's strictly based on what he brings or doesn't bring to the table.
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But, I still think Colt can develop into a good backup who could win us some games if the starter goes down. Thats if the Browns ever draft some WR's.
I agree with you. Accept I'm not so sure how uch "help" we need at the WR position. I do believe we will need at least one, but I'm not so sure we'll need more than that. Little was out of football for a while before we drafted him. I expected him to be rusty and drop some balls last year and he did! LOL
But I do believe you'll see a different Gregg Little this year. However, I do believe you will see this FO address the WR position very early in the draft next year. You seem to feel this FO is simply neglecting the position. But in reality, this was the first draft with which they seriously addressed the O with their top picks in the draft.
We needed a QB, RB, RT, G and WR. Now with your first three picks, you can only address three of those positions. So IMO it's not that they intended to neglect the WR position, it's just when our picks came up, they saw better talent on the board at other offensive positions of need.
And BTW- if we had addressed QB and WR in prior years, where would we have been drafting in this past draft? 
To me, they're crazy like a fox. By addressing the D in the first two drafts, we assembled a lot of talent on that side of the ball while not really addressing W's and L's. Had we done it the other way, we would be trying to build a D now with mid-round talent.
I kinda like the way they did it and are in the process of doing it when you think about it. They set themselves up for high draft picks when the time came to build the O. I feel this was all discussed with Lermer and that he "gets it".
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As for Colt leaving, who knows? He may get a chance to start somewhere but probably not. I don't see Colt as a QB that shows alot in practice. His deep outs and 50 plus yards passes will not make Coaches and Fans Oh & ah.
Once again, I agree with you. The question is, with Colt being the competitor he is, does he see it that way? His goal is to be an NFL starting QB. He's a very determined young man. And maybe a team really wouldn't give Colt a fair chance of starting. I agree with you that he lacks the tools to do so, But al they really have to do, is convince Colt that they will. There in lies the problem.
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His strong points will in a few years be game management and ball control. Lets face it , he doesn't have a big arm but to say he is inacterate isn't fair. Remember the Browns are big on drops. Which also hurts our ppg average. I don't think any of our QB's got a fair shake.
Once again I agree that none of our QB's have had a fair shot at "leading a winning team". But I do believe they have had a fair shot at showing their strengths and wheather they really have what it takes to be an NFL starting QB or not.
And I do agree that Colt has every chance of becoming a very goodback-up QB.
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I hope Weeden is the 1st. It seems like good young QBs are drafted by good teams. Good young QBs that fail miserably are drafted by bad teams.
You pointed out how "bad teams draft bad QB's" and I think you were refering to them having por supporting casts. But you see, I believe it is people who do not know how to build teams that cause this to happen. And I believe this FO has a sound game plan for building this team.
I simply believe, as it seem you agree, that Colt simply acks all of the ingrediants needed to be a franchise QB that could take us all the way. Since this FO is now moving on in building an offense, I do believe Weeden will be surrounded by a much better supporting cast than any other QB we have had since 99.
But once again, he will be judged on what he does or doesn't do, not on the other 10 players around him IMO
One other item that I feel will weigh very heavy in the FO decision regarding Colt. Are they willing to risk that if Weeden starts slow, that it may cause a huge divide in the fan base, and more importantly, a possible division in the locker room for such a young team?
I feel some may be underestimating just what a critical role this equasion may play in the final decision.
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You forgot the..... "To be fair to colt after all he's done here, we wanted him to get a chance to compete for a starting spot at *name team here*. He's a fine young man and deserves a chance to start fresh."
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Yeah .... I was going to add something like that ... but I figured : What if a team like Green Bay decides to trade a 7th round pick for him to be their backup?..... and I then decided that "We wanted him to have a chance to compete for the starting job in Green Bay" would strain credibility to the point of breaking into tiny pieces. There are very few teams that Colt McCoy could go to and be a credible competitor for a starting position. The only team in the AFC who might give him a shot at the starting gig would have been the Jaguars ..... but they went and signed Henne to compete with Gabbert. The closest thing I can find to a potential spot for him to compete for a starting job in the NFC is Minnesota, but they seem to like Ponder. Other bad teams, like the Rams, have their QB set. Seattle went and signed Flynn, has Tavaris Jackson already, and drafted Russell Wilson. I think that McCoy would be seen as a lateral move at best there .... and Flynn is probably going to get the first shot st starting after they gave him a decent contract. Arizona is already trying to decide between Kolb and Skelton. McCoy makes no sense there. I don't think that he's an upgrade over Alex Smith in San Francisco. Maybe New Orleans calls if Brees really doesn't sign his tender before camp. Chase Daniels, Scott Canfield, (who???) and Luke McCown can't inspire one bit of confidence. Maybe that's where McCoy winds up. I have to think that McCoy and his agent have looked around the league, and have done the math, and they may decide that this is the best place for him right now ... even locked into the backup spot.
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the only team that makes real sense right now would be NO. they haven't signed Brees yet (and may need a "starter" for preseason games if it drags out). Chase Daniels (who is worse than Colt IMO) is injured.
Philly has been mentioned, but they just drafted Foles and have Trent Edwards and Kafka as their backups.
Arizona's Kolb is under-rated for what he provides (and is miles better than Skelton no matter what the media will have you believe - though Kolb is only an average QB).
Minny, Miami, JAX, Seattle all have shaky QB situations, but they also have spent resources recently to try to handle them and will likely want to see those out first.
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I have to think that McCoy and his agent have looked around the league, and have done the math, and they may decide that this is the best place for him right now ... even locked into the backup spot.
Well, I think that kind of depends on "what the truth is" regarding what they did or did not tell Colt going into the draft. There are reports that they told Colt they weren't going to draft a QB in round 1 this year.
If that's true, there may be issues there. If Colt feels slighted because he didn't have a decsent supporting cast and they're handing Weeden better talent, there may be issues there.
One thing I'm sure this FO doesn't want is the fan base sitting around on message boards discussing our QB situation.
So I think some decision will be reached sooner than later...
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I'm sure Colt may think he may have benefited from having a healthy Peyton Hillis all year long, and could have used better talent on the o-line, WR, etc..
but this is the NFL.. you can't pick and choose your teammates, and you have to work with who you have available. Every QB that enters the league has different things working against them, and some things working for them. You have to roll w/ the punches and try to make do. If you can't, then someone else will.
I think Colt understands that as well, and I don't think he can be too upset at the Browns drafting a QB to make their team better.
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I have to think that McCoy and his agent have looked around the league, and have done the math, and they may decide that this is the best place for him right now ... even locked into the backup spot.
Well, I think that kind of depends on "what the truth is" regarding what they did or did not tell Colt going into the draft. There are reports that they told Colt they weren't going to draft a QB in round 1 this year.
If that's true, there may be issues there. If Colt feels slighted because he didn't have a decsent supporting cast and they're handing Weeden better talent, there may be issues there.
One thing I'm sure this FO doesn't want is the fan base sitting around on message boards discussing our QB situation.
So I think some decision will be reached sooner than later...
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LOL,, I certainly hope they don't care what you and I think Pit. that's no way to run a team....
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Well Damon, the NFL and each team is a corporation. I do think you'll find that corperate image is important. I don't think they want a division among the fan base. I don't think they want the possibility that if Weeden struggles at first, it may cause a division in the locker room. I'm pretty sure they don't want this QB deadbate played out in the media so much. For the business, for the fan base, for the media and for the sake of the team, I think this FO will try to deal Colt and would be willing to take a 6 pack of Pabst and a pack of Camels if they could get it!  HotB.... IF this FO told Colt that they would not draft a QB in the first round, would you trust them going forward if you were him? I have a strong feeling that both the Browns and Colt feel it would be in both of their best interests to move on. at this point, only time will tell and I don't think that time will take very long.
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The alternative is Wallace at this point. he's 32, he's really a "Never was". So if we keep him, we've got nothing in two years either. What's the difference.
One has been in the WCO for 10 years and has a willingness to teach it to our new QB. The other barely knows part of the playbook at best and can't offer the same.
So I guess you have to ask yourself, if you want someone to help work with Weeden that has the experience to do so, which one would it be?
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Well Damon, the NFL and each team is a corporation. I do think you'll find that corperate image is important.
I don't believe there will be any controversy about QB's if Weeden gets the job done. and I say that knowing full well that he's going to have growing pains.. He's gonna throw a pick at the worst possible moment,, he's gonna fumble, he's gonna miss receivers, he's going to just generally make some mistakes.. he's a rook, it's gonna happen. I don't expect perfection and anyone that does is a fool. and we do have a few fools around here
Actually, the more important thing to think about and for them to address is, who is best to come in IF weeden struggles. That's the real task at hand.
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The team has already decided that the biggest problem that they had last year was the QB position. While they phrase it nicely, there have been several rather cutting remarks, like Holmgren stating that "if you look at the tape you'll find that our receivers were open a lot more than you might think". (approximate quote) There have been other comments about the QB not being in the right spot with regard to pass protection, and not going to the right receiver.
Now some of this is almost certainly the effect of not having an off-season. However, the team came out of the gates and scored 17, 27, and 17 points .... then defenses started making adjustments. We only scored 17 or more points 3 more times the rest of the season. Part of that was personnel ... part was play calling, part was injuries ...... but part was also the QB being unable to take the next step and make the throws that the defense left open.
Given that, I doubt that the team is really looking to have McCoy here as the backup/potential starter. If he were to be forced into service because of injury, and he showed some very minor improvement as a team played the defense they will against Weeden, (and teams will defend him differently) then fans would go nuts over how McCoy has improved ..... yadda, yadda, yadda. I doubt that they want that kind of circus. If Wallace comes in as the hated backup and plays decently then no one will care if Weeden then comes back.
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Don't worry man, McCoy is gone.
The only question one needs to answer is which guy can help Weeden the most. That's it. Nothing else.
It isn't a question of money, age, or upside. Weeden is the QB for the next 3 seasons.
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I'm not worried anyway. I fully expect Weeden to be an upgrade over McCoy.
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Weeden and the offense will get tested right away. the Eagles,Bills,Bengals and Ravens have tremendous front 7's.
You better hope that Shurmurs playcalling will evolve past his Pop Warner version playbook from 2011.
Can Shurmur out scheme the coach across the field?
I expect alot of #33 getting the ball. 25-30 touches a game.Weeden isn't good enough to go the Cam Newton route and let him sling it.
the better Richardson is,the better off Weeden will be.
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I honestly believe that the playbook of 2011 had a lot to do with the QB.
I have said that about previous coordinators who have gone on to do better elsewhere as well. Face it, we've had some really crappy QB play for quite a long time here. There's a reason we have seemingly changed QBs every year for the past 10 or so years. They've all been pretty awful. (with the exception of 2007, but that didn't last)
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j/c..
I don't think McCoy will be cut/traded/gone.. I think he stays and if an injury ever comes up he will be the next man in charge.
It only makes sense to me to cut Wallace. Wallace should be cut. He makes entirely too much.
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The team has already decided that the biggest problem that they had last year was the QB position.
I don't doubt they had concerns.. Big concerns. otherwise, why draft a QB in the first round. you don't do that unless you have a problem or you have a good starter that is aging and you are trying to groom his eventual replacement (ala rogers for favre)
But that doesn't mean they don't think that Colt makes a good back up. and that was the topic of discussion.
As for there not being an off season,, yes that hurt, receivers dropping balls, yes that hurts, no running game for most of the year,,, yes that hurts and a line that had some young guys learning and a RT not getting it done.. that hurts yes.
All I ever wanted to see was Colt McCoy with more talent around him. Richardson and Schwartz and another receiver of worth and I still wonder if he could have performed better.
Apparently, the brain trust of the browns felt either that McCoy isn't the answer or they felt that Weeden is an upgrade..
I've said it a million times, I don't believe there are many jobs in the NFL that are safe. So, anytime any team has a chance to upgrade,, you do it.
You don't worry about controversy,, IF there is one that crops up, you deal with it. But you don't trade a guy because you worry about fan reaction.. you trade a guy because you need what someone is offering up for him, or because he doesn't fit your future plans etc.
Will Colt be traded,, could be. dunno. I want what's best for the Browns and I do trust this front office, so if they feel getting rid of him is the right thing,, I'm ok with it.
But I would be very concerned about our backup position.. Wallace was absolutly no better than McCoy and he's older and way more costly and of course, I think he's odd. (personal observation, but meaningless)
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Well, I look at it like this:
A backup QB has one of 2 jobs.
1) To be a guy who can come in and help win a game or 2 in the absence of the starting QB.
2) To be a developmental guy, who is not yet ready, but is expected to develop into the future into a plus starter.
Does McCoy fit into either of these categories? Does Wallace?
I think that Wallace has the trust of the brain-trust as far as his ability to come into a game and help win a game here or there. He knows the offense, and is a solid backup type.
Does McCoy fit into either of these categories? I don't know. We saw horrific offensive production last year. How much was McCoy, and how much was everyone else? I think that this is the question that determines which guys stays, and which guy goes.
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Well, I look at it like this:
A backup QB has one of 2 jobs.
1) To be a guy who can come in and help win a game or 2 in the absence of the starting QB.
2) To be a developmental guy, who is not yet ready, but is expected to develop into the future into a plus starter.
Does McCoy fit into either of these categories? Does Wallace?
I think that Wallace has the trust of the brain-trust as far as his ability to come into a game and help win a game here or there. He knows the offense, and is a solid backup type.
Does McCoy fit into either of these categories? I don't know. We saw horrific offensive production last year. How much was McCoy, and how much was everyone else? I think that this is the question that determines which guys stays, and which guy goes.
Yes! & Yes!
Who gives us a better chance to win?
Put me down for Colt McCoy.
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Well, I look at it like this:
A backup QB has one of 2 jobs.
1) To be a guy who can come in and help win a game or 2 in the absence of the starting QB.
2) To be a developmental guy, who is not yet ready, but is expected to develop into the future into a plus starter.
Does McCoy fit into either of these categories? Does Wallace?
I think that Wallace has the trust of the brain-trust as far as his ability to come into a game and help win a game here or there. He knows the offense, and is a solid backup type.
Does McCoy fit into either of these categories? I don't know. We saw horrific offensive production last year. How much was McCoy, and how much was everyone else? I think that this is the question that determines which guys stays, and which guy goes.
Right now, Wallace is no better than colt so all the experience in the world didn't help him last year, it won't help him next year or the year after.
As for a developmental guy,, well, it's JMO, but Colt is closer to your second choice than Wallace is to your first choice.
So for me.., At this point (and my mind can be changed) If I had to make a decision, I'd keep Colt over wallace..
Way more upside.. and besides, if you get a better prospect in the coming years, great,.., Colt can go then,,.,,,,
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Is there a market for the Browns' McCoyJun 18 10:30 AM ET By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com The Cleveland Browns are shopping quarterback Colt McCoy and are looking for "minimal compensation," sources told NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah. It's obvious that the Browns weren't impressed by McCoy last season. They attempted to trade up for Robert Griffin III in this year's draft and ended up taking Brandon Weeden in the first round. Now, the question is: Will there be any takers for a sixth- or seventh-round pick? The team that makes the most sense to me is the Green Bay Packers. Graham Harrell and B.J. Coleman are currently behind Aaron Rodgers, which is why the Packers ranked last in ESPN.com's backup quarterback confidence chart. Other possibilities are the St. Louis Rams and Denver Broncos (McCoy could follow the same path as Brady Quinn). McCoy's family wouldn't be surprised if he was traded from the Browns. In fact, McCoy's brother thought it happened Saturday. Reacting to a fake tweet that Colt McCoy had been traded to the Eagles, Case McCoy tweeted (and later removed): "Good luck Brandon [Weeden]! Fan of you, but my brother's pulling the lucky straw on this one! Cleveland is only going downhill!" After realizing that his brother hadn't been traded, Case McCoy posted on Twitter: "Fake ESPN accounts are nuts...Got me fired up over nothing! Still kinda meant what I said." The Browns currently have Weeden, McCoy and Seneca Wallace at quarterback. Most assume the Browns won't carry all three into the regular season. Now it looks like there is a chance only two will be on the roster when Cleveland opens training camp in late July. Cowboys should make bid for Colt McCoyJun 18 9:38 AM CT By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com If the reports are right about Cleveland putting Colt McCoy on the clearance rack, the Cowboys ought to offer the Browns a late-round pick. This isn’t about creating competition for franchise quarterback Tony Romo or even backup Kyle Orton, for that matter. It’s about acquiring an intriguing developmental project for a low price. The ex-Longhorn would be an upgrade over the Aggie. The Cowboys clearly aren’t excited about Stephen McGee’s development. Had McGee impressed important Valley Ranch folks, they would have bumped him into the backup role instead of giving Orton a three-year, $10.5 million contract. McGee is expected to compete with waivers pickup Rudy Carpenter for a roster spot. McCoy, who has two seasons left on his rookie deal and is due to make $540,000 this season, at least has the potential to develop into a quality starter. He really wasn’t too bad playing for a talent-starved Browns team, passing for 4,309 yards with 20 touchdowns and 20 interceptions in 21 starts. If McCoy comes to Dallas and performs well this preseason, perhaps the Cowboys could flip him for a better pick than they gave up to get him. If not, they’ve improved the No. 3 quarterback spot with a young player who has potential, even though he wouldn’t be a perfect fit in Jason Garrett’s system. If the Browns are just looking to dump McCoy, there should be room for him at Valley Ranch.
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McCoy is a better prospect than that bum Charlie Frye ever was. For a team that isn't afraid to spend a little coin on a 3rd stringer or need a "veteran" backup he makes sense.
I'm just ready for McCoy to move on. We've already wasted two years of our history that we can never get back and don't need to spend one day more thinking and talking about him.
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