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The Giants have never struck me as a "NY" type team. They made that one headline with Eli in 2004 with that whole mess, but they keep most things in-house, and always seem to make the right move. Their best players are guys they drafted.
Plus they don't have obnoxious fans like the Jets although calling for Coughlin's head because they don't win every single game is pretty laughable.
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so concerned with titles that they came within a wk17 game last year of not even making the playoffs.
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so concerned with titles that they came within a wk17 game last year of not even making the playoffs.
2 rings within 4 years speaks for itself. The giants proved that they were obviously better than what their record indicated.
Packers faced the same dilemma the year before
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And Green Bay being 15-1 helped them so much when they faced said team that needed Week 17 to make the playoffs...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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2 rings within 4 years speaks for itself. The giants proved that they were obviously better than what their record indicated.
Packers faced the same dilemma the year before
just shows how much parity there is at the top of the NFL more than anything
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And Green Bay being 15-1 helped them so much when they faced said team that needed Week 17 to make the playoffs...
Its games like those I think Cinny did the same against NYJ couple years ago(?) that tell me if you have a chance to put a team out of the playoffs at the end of the year dont roll over and let them in.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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just shows how much parity there is at the top of the NFL more than anything
There seems to be a lot at the bottom of the NFL as well LOL
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McCoy continues to competePosted 11 hours ago By Matt Florjancic, Staff Writer Browns quarterback Colt McCoy has focused his efforts on competing and doing the best he can with each and every opportunity. undefined Including Wednesday afternoon’s practice during training camp at the Berea training facility, the Cleveland Browns have completed three of the 13 full pads sessions on the schedule for the first three weeks of August. While it is a narrow timeframe with which to evaluate the team’s progression, quarterback Colt McCoy sees a big difference from this time a year ago. “If you talk about our team, I think everybody’s getting to their spots faster,” McCoy said. “Guys kind of understand what we’re doing a little more. It’s amazing what an offseason will do. With a little consistency, guys are starting to play a little faster. “For me, I think it’s just natural. The game has slowed down for me. I go out to practice and every day, try to get better, try to work on something to get better and I’m still competing. I’m still working my tail off and that’s all you can do.” McCoy has been competing with the team’s three other quarterbacks -- rookie Brandon Weeden and veterans Seneca Wallace and Thaddeus Lewis -- in practice. He returned to Berea with the mindset of “getting better every day.” “I feel really good,” McCoy said. “I feel that what we’re trying to do is slowing down for me. I’m not out there worried about where guys are going to be on the field and if I can get them the ball. I’m watching what the defense is doing. I’m throwing off of their coverages; I know where my guys are going to be and I think that’s part of a natural progression of playing quarterback.” McCoy’s efforts have impressed coach Pat Shurmur, who said the third-year quarterback is “doing great” in training camp. “I’m seeing him do things in this camp that he didn’t do a year ago,” Shurmur said. “He’s getting more comfortable in our system, coming to work every day and working hard. I think he’s doing a good job. He’s more comfortable in the progressions. If it doesn’t go to one or two, he’s throwing it to three instead of taking off and running, commanding the huddle, knowing what his receivers can do and where he can put the football.” McCoy entered 2012 with 21 starts in his two previous seasons with the Browns. In that time, he completed 400 of 685 attempts for 4,309 yards and 20 touchdowns against 20 interceptions. McCoy started the Browns’ first 13 games in 2011 before being sidelined with a concussion from a helmet-to-helmet hit from Pittsburgh linebacker James Harrison in a 14-3 loss at the Steelers Dec. 8. The Browns added Weeden with the No. 22 overall pick in April’s draft. Weeden, a former professional baseball player, set 15 school records at Oklahoma State in just two years as the starting quarterback. “All I’ve been told is to come out here and compete,” McCoy said. “With that mindset, I love the game of football; I want to play; I love Cleveland. That’s what I want to do for my team, come out here every day, get better, compete and that’s all I’m doing. “I’ve taken all the snaps with the second group and I’m still competing. That’s what I’m supposed to do and I think that’s making our football team better.” web page
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He is also not the distraction that some here predicted that he would be.
It's the same thing that I preached to my Son with pitching.
What's the Old saying ... "you can only worry about what you can control".
His only Job is to make the Coach's decision a harder one.
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Let's also keep in mind that the Browns are most likely trying to drive up his value to another team ........  That being said, I have seen more good passes from McCoy this year in highlights than I saw all of last year. He has actually thrown down the field once in a while, and on target. This is, of course, against air, in 7 on 7s, or limited defenses ...... so who knows?
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I've always said a real, full camp would do this team wonders!
I still wouldnt bet a nickel he figures in our plans.
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Let's also keep in mind that the Browns are most likely trying to drive up his value to another team ........
That being said, I have seen more good passes from McCoy this year in highlights than I saw all of last year. He has actually thrown down the field once in a while, and on target. This is, of course, against air, in 7 on 7s, or limited defenses ...... so who knows?
More speculations 
I tend to agree with what message Colt is sending and that is we are a stronger team if we have competition, because the QB position is the number one position as far as key depth for a team.
He is putting the priorities of Team ahead of himself. It sounds like he is in the same boat with Cribbs and none the less important in the bigger picture imo.
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That i$ all it i$...
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You won't be satisfied until colt is burned at the stake, will you?
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And you got that out of what I said how, exactly? 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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And you got that out of what I said how, exactly?
Because I read your posts. Pretty simple, really. Combine that with what DC said, here or in another thread, about you all of a sudden saying subtle nice things about mccoy so that you can later reference them.
Come on man, we aren't stupid.
Weeden is the starter, we all know that. Your posts over the last.....what, 6 months? 8 months? however long - THOSE are what I'm speaking to.
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Oh, and before you even go there bud, I AM looking forward to Weeden as our qb. If he's HALF the qb you've talked him up to be, the Browns are well on their way. And that, my friend, would make me happy.
But, you'll come back with your sorry little line about "arch is a mccoy apologist", and truthfully, you'll look stupid if you say that, but........
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Good lord. I saw McCoy do a few nice things in some of the video, and I specifically pointed out what I saw that looked good. If you think that makes me a hater ..... I don't know how to even respond to that. I try to be as honest as I can in my evaluations of players. Overall I have not been impressed with McCoy, but he has had a few nice throws in this camp. Would it make you happy if I said that he sucked even when he had a good play?  Are you sure you're not Colt's brother or something?
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Are you sure colt didn't do something to your family? Look, we agree on a lot of things, but your hatred and disdain of colt goes back a long time.
No problem, as I'm excited to see Weeden in real games. Like I said, if he is HALF the qb YOU have said, this team is looking up. Sorry man, you can't change your posts. Your total inability to realize how you blamed everything last year on colt is not my fault, nor my responsibility.
Like I have said 3 times now - if Weeden is HALF the qb you have proclaimed him to be, throw in Richardson.........we're .500 at a minimum.
I'm not saying it's your reputation on the line - but it sure is your respectability.
Whatever - we both want the Browns to win. If we don't this year, it'll be interesting.
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I'm not saying it's your reputation on the line - but it sure is your respectability.
I was wondering who they left in charge of the respectability meter while I was away.
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And you got that out of what I said how, exactly?
Oh for goodness sakes man., it's not any one thing you say, it's cumulative.
About every other word puts Colt McCoy down and you try to drive it to a single comment. it's freakin comical.
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I don't think that I have said too much about McCoy since Weeden was drafted and all but named the starter. I do think that Weeden will prove to be a major step up, and I don't think that the Browns will really keep McCoy if they have a chance to move him, but that doesn't mean that I hate the kid. I love how people can blast receivers, OL, RBs, CBs, LBs, and so on ..... and they are just evaluating ...... but me .... I'm hateful. Geesh.
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You've said so much negative about mccoy since weeden got drafted it's pathetic.
Dude, we all read the board. You cannot hide from your disdain of colt. And it's fine if you hate him. No problem.
But, like I said earlier, DC nailed you on the head with his comment, and whether you like it or not, your following through.
It does give me a chuckle or 2 though. Shoot, if daman sees it, you KNOW it's true.
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I'm a little confused here. We all saw him play. Even the FO. They knew he wasn't starter material, most of those who saw him play knew he wasn't starter material and it's somehow a bad thing to point out why he wasn't starter material? Why would the FO have given up on him so soon if he were making strides at the things "that were within his power to progress at"? Colt is a good, and very likeable kid. It's hard not to root for the kid. It's hard not to pull for the kid to succeed. He's everything you want in the locker room and in a person on your team. But heart strings aside, his weaknesses were many. Sometimes people don't make the news, they just report it. Unfortunately, often times people choose to shoot the messenger because they simply don't wish to look at the reality of the situation,,,,, BTW- Arch, I'll give you my version of Weeden. High level of mental maturity, very sytrong and for the most part accurate arm. Problem? I've seen him make mental lapses in his decision making under pressure. On the plus side to that problem, I did notice his WR's never came back towards him when he was under pressure which they should do, giving him an outlet. That's why I think a RB like T Rich will be very helpfull to him. But the reality to all of this is a simple one. There's rarely ever, and Weeden is no acception, a QB who you can completly predict how their talent will transfer to the NFL. Does Weeden posess many of the things you look for in drafting an NFL QB? Yes he does. But then, so have many who failed to succeed. As with all draft picks, there are risks. I do believe when looking at all of the tangibles, Weeden is a far less risk than Colt was. Which is why Weeden was drafted #22 and Colt was still on the board at #85. That's not making anything a sure bet. But it does speak volumes on the potential and talents of these two individuals. Now you can reach for the acceptions to try to make your point, but they are few and far between as you know. And that may hurt your reputation. I'm glad I speak my mind and don't worry about my reputation. After all, a reputation is only what people percieve of you and little else.
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But, like I said earlier, DC nailed you on the head with his comment, and whether you like it or not, your following through.
I think DC was doing little else other than speculating and you have decided to accept and try to further that speculation. ASSumptions.
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But, like I said earlier, DC nailed you on the head with his comment, and whether you like it or not, your following through.
I think DC was doing little else other than speculating and you have decided to accept and try to further that speculation. ASSumptions.
Interesting how true they are though, isn't it?
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Anyone else can say anything that they want about the rest of our players and they're objective, but I'm a hater ....... I'm just not gonna worry about it. I'm glad that it appears that we have a guy who will be better playing the position.
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Interesting how true they are though, isn't it?
It's all about perspective. That's why we have a nation so divided because both sets of people are looking at the same set of facts, walking away with a differing perspective of what the truth is.
You get that a lot when people speculate. Usually the truth lies somewhere in between for the most part.........
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I think that Colt can and will be a good backup here or elsewhere. I personally hope it here because hes entering that 3rd year that he was supposed to be given.
The offense has been upgraded and I really think with all hes been through he is an asset to the team. jmho
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Anyone else can say anything that they want about the rest of our players and they're objective, but I'm a hater ....... :crazy
It's bcuz when ppl discussing other players on offense or even defense..... U seem to always defend said player with a negative colt comment and how it's not said players entire fault.
Because Colt " insert negative off wall comment here", so He/it not completely to blame.
If the gatorade was not cold enough, I'm sure u would blame it on Colt
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That's really not true ..... but carry on anyway.
I do feel that the biggest problem last year was at QB. I have never said that it was the only problem. However, I'm just a hater .... despite that almost everything I said last year has been said by the coaching staff and/or Holmgren this year after they drafted Weeden.
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That's really not true ..... but carry on anyway.
I do feel that the biggest problem last year was at QB. I have never said that it was the only problem. However, I'm just a hater .... despite that almost everything I said last year has been said by the coaching staff and/or Holmgren this year after they drafted Weeden.
This is where you are off. They are not saying well the QB didnt play well last year and all our old recievers are doing better now. They are saying we have better recievers. They are not saying well the QB didnt get the ball to the HB better now with Weeden they are saying TR looks better then our 3rd and 4th string HB did last year. They are not saying well the QB didnt get the ball out in time and had actually no time to read any progressions they are saying " Colt is doing a much better job of going through his progressions, seeing the 1st and 2nd reads are not open and finding the 3rd." Which I imagine has something to do with actually having more then 2 seconds to do so.
So give me these quotes from the staff that says Colt was the problem last year and all the new upgrades on offense mean nothing only Weeden makes the new guys look good and Colt would make them look bad.
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There have been numerous times that Shurmur and Holmgren both have spoken about Weeden's accuracy, arm strength, ability to anticipate a throw, and so on ...... which were all things that were missing last year.
I'm sure that with a little work you can find them. I've posted several of them as they came out.
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There have been numerous times that Shurmur and Holmgren both have spoken about Weeden's accuracy, arm strength, ability to anticipate a throw, and so on ...... which were all things that were missing last year.
I'm sure that with a little work you can find them. I've posted several of them as they came out.
Ok those things yes we all know Weeden is a better prospect then McCoy. The hater part that you keep wondering where it comes from is all last season it was McCoys fault the recievers looked bad. It was McCoys fault the line looked bad. It was McCoys fault that people got injured. McCoy if he had better weapons would not improve this team and would not improve himself no matter what the situation.
I gave you a quote to the contrary and I dont see the staff saying that McCoy was the reason we lost so much last year.
Hey we have alot of shiny new players this year and Im hoping they all do great and we can actually watch some exciting football this year but last year cannot be laid soley on McCoys feet as the reason we lost so many games.
New system, New Coach (who was in over his head) and many other problems lead to the dimise of last season. It cannot be blamed on only the QB as you like to do, just as it shouldnt be a given that with all the new players Weeden is the reason we look much better.
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Colt is doing a much better job of going through his progressions, seeing the 1st and 2nd reads are not open and finding the 3rd." Which I imagine has something to do with actually having more then 2 seconds to do so
It probably has a lot to do with erasing what Bret Farve was teaching him. I have heard Farve many times joke about skipping his reads and I worried last year that this was a habit that Farve very well might share with Colt. Farve would eliminate the routes he didnt like to throw without even looking to see if they were open because well, he had the big arm to improvise on many of those throws.
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I have to admit, I wondered why Colt was trying to learn from a QB who was almost completely from the opposite spectrum as he was - a tall gunslinger who was known for his bouts of inaccuracy vs a short QB who had a weaker, but more accurate arm.
Was Joe Montana too busy last offseason or something?
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Well .... McCoy is heading to the bench after his "stellar" last year, even with the other changes that have been made.
If the Browns thought that he was the answer, they would have really built around them as they professed they might do. Instead they worked on building around the QB, and replaced him anyway.
It's not hatred, it's taking a hard look at positions, the expectations for each one, and seeing what is actually happening without undue sentimentality. Colt's a nice kid. If I had a daughter, he's the kind of kid I'd like for her to bring home. He's a solid leader, who organized and paid for the "Camp Colts" last year out of his own pocket. (even though he doesn't make a whole lot compared to some others on the team) Unfortunately he just doesn't seem to have the skill set to succeed long term in the NFL.
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Well .... McCoy is heading to the bench after his "stellar" last year, even with the other changes that have been made.
If the Browns thought that he was the answer, they would have really built around them as they professed they might do. Instead they worked on building around the QB, and replaced him anyway.
It's not hatred, it's taking a hard look at positions, the expectations for each one, and seeing what is actually happening without undue sentimentality. Colt's a nice kid. If I had a daughter, he's the kind of kid I'd like for her to bring home. He's a solid leader, who organized and paid for the "Camp Colts" last year out of his own pocket. (even though he doesn't make a whole lot compared to some others on the team) Unfortunately he just doesn't seem to have the skill set to succeed long term in the NFL.
Now that I cant agrue about 1 bit. Its the truth and as much as alot of us wanted Colt to sit and learn that was not his lot in life. Happens that way sometimes. We have as you said replaced him with what most of us hope is a a huge upgrade and Im all in with that.
All that being said I again thnk Colt kinda had to fall on his sword for us last year and did. As a 3rd round pick Im not looking for tom brady but he was not the only problem on offense last season and I dont think the coaching staff feels he was either. Again jmho.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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interesting take on the matter and with all we have seen we praised Colt for trying to learn something new I had not thought about who actually was doing the teaching in that light. Good point. 
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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