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1. Greg Little. probally a lock for a 1,000 yards this season. Dropping 15 lbs can only make him faster and quicker in an out of his cuts. The question is,will he be able to draw double teams?
2. Dmitri Patterson. Always to seems to be in position and is solid in run support.
A real heads up player. Fundamentality sound.
3. Jason Pinkston. He should be more comfortable with a full camp in his transition from LT to LG. He has the atheletism to be able to pull, get out on screens and get upfield. Played much better toward the end of the year.
He was a All Big East 1st team selection. He's got ability.
1. Chris Gocong. He's a excellent effort guy.High motor. But after 5 years in the NFL,you can tell what a guy does and doesn't do. he looks to be a bit stiff hipped and has some trouble matched up on fast TE's.
Not the best shed and find ball LB. I think this is the last year he starts.
2. Josh Cribbs. Age and the physical demands of being a WR and return man are catching up to him. He never has been able to step and grab that #1 WR spot or even #2. Not overly blazing fast or quick.
3. Ben Watson...solid NFL career. But has never caught more than 800 yards or more than 7 TDS in a season.. This young team needs his experience more so in the locker room. I can see him being targeted less this year.
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Let's see:
Stepping up .......
Jabaal Sheard: I think that he could hit 12-15 sacks this year. He has better help across the line, and even without Taylor, will still have experience and youth both to help take some pressure off of him.
Mo Massaquoi: With a QB who can take advantage of his strengths rather than trying to turn him into something he's not should help him really get going this year.
Eric Hagg: The coaches love him, and he seems driven to succeed. He has all of the physical ability, and I think that he puts it all together this year.
Stepping back ........
Sheldon Brown: Getting older, and will struggle to hold off the challenge of much younger, and talented, players.
Owen Marecic: For a guy who was supposedly "pure football player" he seemed to struggle mightily with the playbook last year. He wasn't an effective runner, he dropped a bunch of easy passes, and he really didn't look good at all. I think that Smelley pushes him off the roster.
Montario Hardesty: Hard to say that he takes a step backwards ..... but there have been reports that he is walking with somewhat of a limp, and that he still hasn't shown an elite burst. I fully expect Jackson and Ogbonnaya to push him onto the waiver wire.
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Step up:
Greg Little
Josh Cooper
The O-line as a whole.
Step back.
Josh Cribbs
Jabbel Sheard...it won't be a real step back, he just won't improve on last years tease.
D'Quell Jackson....he will get hurt again. His size is a limitation.
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Whew,, this is a fun one..  Stepping up: Mo mass: Three reasons, a full off season to prepare including OTA's. he'll know the O better, So far, he's healthy and if Weeden is what we think he is, Mo can excel in this offense. Eric Hagg: he showed a lot of promise at times and this off season, all we're hearing about is how much of a case he's making to be a starter... Brandon Jackson: he'll be healthy and really show us why the added him last year. Stepping back: Hardesty., In fact, I think he'l step all the way off the team. My guess is we go with Obie, Trich and Jackson Sheldon Brown: I never thought he was as bad as some of you keep saying, but he's older and is well past improving Watson: he's not getting younger,, still love the guy, but he's gonna fall back.
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Step up:
Shaun Lauvuao. I thought he got better as the season progressed last year.
Greg Little for the reasons mentioned.
Momass. Hopefully with a qb that can throw downfield he'll have a good year.
Stepdown:
Josh Cribbs. (I hope I'm wrong, but the odds of him repeating his great years are against him).
Hodges: I really like him, but coming off that injury scares me. I hope he reads this and gets motivated to perform like he did in 2010.
Obi: He showed signs of taking it to the next level, but we're overloaded at rb now.
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Ray Lewis is listed at 6'1" 250 pounds. Jackson is listed at 6'0" 240 pounds. One inch and ten pounds makes that much of a difference? Jackson had two fluke injuries unrelated to his size and then came back fully healthy and was a top player at his position. I can understand if you think Jackson will regress because it is hard for anybody to continue playing at the level he did. I can't understand if you think he will regress because of his size.
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Step up: Greg Little, Eric Hagg, Jordon Cameron.
Three to watch: Skrine, Obi, Cooper.
Step back: Mo-Mass, Scott Fujita, Owen Marecic.
Three to wish well on their way out: Hardesty, Moore, Brown (EOS)
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Good call on Hodges, though off a serious injury I wouldn't call it a step down.
I expect Lanning wins the punting job....he is a good placekicker to boot.
Lannnig is a name we hear in Cleveland for the next 17 years.
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We're not counting rooks right?
1. Greg Little. I agree with everyone else. The running game should help the passing game this year, and Weeden should be an upgrade over McCoy, that alone sets up G Little to break out.
2. TJ Ward. I think he had a so/so year before going down with injury, I think he steps it up this year.
3. I think either Luavao or Pinkston steps it up. Heckert made a statement by bolstering the group of linemen we have. The message will get through to one of them.
Stepping back?
1. Jabaal Sheard. I hope I am wrong, but I feel a sophomore slump. The loss of PT in the offseason, the big expectations after a really really good rookie season... Again I hope I'm wrong because he became one of my favorite players on this team.
2. Cribbs. I know he's getting up there in age, and I just kinda see the downward spiral of a great special teams player. I still think in parts he can be effective, but I think the offense will feature him less and the league has taken a lot of return chances away.
I honestly don't really see anyone else, there was not a lot of positive things about this team last year, I think a lot of these young guys are on the upswing, and I sure as hell am not going to throw the name Thomas, Mack, or even Jackson out there. Only way those guys have a bad year is if they get hurt.
In other words, only one way to go with this team.
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Stepping up: -Jabaal Sheard. We have only scratched the surface of what I believe will be a great career. He's a real ball'er and can really gives most RT's a fit if they try and single up on him. Sheard is also a strip artist already ... Was there any one DE better at strip sacking the QB last season? and for the hat trick he might just recover his forced fumble to boot. Hopefully Phil Taylor's absents won't be much of a factor with the pass rush downs, but I really had high hopes for the big fell'a, that he would also be stepping up his game. We'll have to keep the back burner lit just in case  -Greg Little. Why? well because he has too LOL, but seriously he had a pretty good rookie season (minus the drops) and to me he seems like the type of receiver who likes to get a lot of opportunities and isn't just out there going threw the motions. I think that he and Cribbs have that mentality and have that in common among other things like YAC abilities, but I think that's where their similarities separate as receivers. I think that the combination of Greg Little and Brandon Weeden will be well rehearsed this coming season. Still I think that in order to reach his full potential will require that another WR steps up their game or perhaps one (or more) of our rookies emerges. -My third is a toss up ... on one hand I would like to say T.J. Ward, but he has to stay injury free. He should be ready if healthy to step up his game. Now on the other hand I think that you can go one of two ways with a life changing experience. I think that Marcus Benard could be a pleasant surprise in being the PRS that we all hoped for with him. With Rucker we no longer need him to play every down and vs the run. He still has competition for a roster spot and nothing is guaranteed as far as his chances of making the final cut, but some times a life changing experience can really get oneself in focus. I'm hoping it did just that with Marcus Benard. Stepping back: Not to be confused with 'Not stepping up'. - Ben Watson. I just think that his best days are behind him. He can still be a positive contributor, but the tread is well worn on those aging tiers. - Sheldon Brown. I think that his role could be reduced to sub packages (although staying outside as opposed to covering the slot) this year. -Scott Fujitia. Very instinctive LBer, but once again ... Well worn ties (with reduced speed) and also he hasn't been able to stay healthy and we have some young guys with a fresh set of ties now who could be part of the combination going forward.
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Good, interesting thread, and there already seems to be some consensus (for what that's worth).
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Good, interesting thread, and there already seems to be some consensus (for what that's worth).
I thought so too.
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Three to improve:
Lauvao: I think Schwartz will do well and I think with a legit RT next to him, and a full year of experience, Lauvao will really step up his game. I look for a lot of ground yardage to come on that right side.
Skrine: This kid is really my sleeper. He has excellent speed and he near-blanketed Mike Wallace in the season-ender. I really think he'll advance to a more regular role this season.
Massaquoi; I think that if, for no other reason, I just feel like he'll step up this year. Other teams with focus on Little more than Mass and I think he'll finally realize that he needs to put forth a lot more effort. I also think Weeden's style of passing suits Massaquoi's style too.
Three to digress:
Fujita: I think he's distracted by all the off-the-field issues. He's past his prime, and I think it just makes a LOT more sense to put Gocong on the strong side given his performance at the end of last year.
Moore: Again, I'm a big fan of his, but I'm just getting a bad vibe about him this offseason. I really hope I'm wrong.
Brown: I think his time is over like Fujita's. Unfortunately, I think he's still better than Patterson. I don't really get the love for Patterson by the way - watching him in the TN game last year, I felt like he was toast. I'd really hope for a young guy like Skrine to step up into this role.
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stepping up-
Entire OL I believe we will have a top 5 unit.
Josh Cribbs - Josh beats out Mo for the #2 in camp and has 75 catches on the season.
Marcus Benard- double digit sacks as he becomes our nickel pass rusher
Bonus- Eric Hagg I love players with great instincts and those are the ones that are always surprising. Hagg has the instincts.
stepping back
Rubin- losing his counterpart is going to be bigger than most think.
Sheldon Brown- I thought he played fine last year but another year under his belt may push him into the dime corner role.
Scott Fujita- think season ending injury was bad. suspension will be just enough time for one of the youngsters to take his spot for good.
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I agree with most people here as far as consensus opinions.
As far as some out of consensus picks...
Stepping up:
1. Alex Mack - Had a couple noobs next to him last year and I thought he really struggled. He's a little light in the rump and people have gotten under his pads and forced him backwards. To me it would make sense that he makes a big jump forward this year. Both players next to him have played and gotten battle tested. They have a full offseason to work on communication. And Mack has more time to work on getting his base stronger. Maybe this year is an All-Pro year for him. He's got most of the tools to be an elite guy.
2. Marcus Benard - Probably went through a lot of soul searching last year. He sounds like he really gets it and truly appreciates what the Browns did for him last year. They didn't have to step up and pay him. But they did. Add to that a total miscommunication on what the team wanted from him physically (not to bulk way up like DEs in other 43s). And I think he may just break out. Like 10+ sacks type of season. He's a slippery guy. And he's motivated. Watch out. I don't think Rucker keeps him off the field.
Stepping Back
1. MoMass - From what I understand with his concussions he really had some problems. And before that he doesn't bring really anything above NFL average to the table. He's just....ugh. I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season playing professional football.
2. Rubin - Is going to get double teamed all game long. Paxson and Schafering? Does any NFL O-Lineman fear anything that they bring to the table? They get owned 1 on 1 constantly. If I were Rubin I'd have a tough time getting through games mentally knowing that I was going to be point of focus and doubles all day. Let alone the beating that I was going to take physically. I think it's going to be a struggle for him this year.
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Sheldon Brown- I thought he played fine last year but another year under his belt may push him into the dime corner role.
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the no-rookie list.
stepping up:
1. Greg Little - more hope than anything. one of our WRs has to or it's going to be a LONG season.
2. Pinkston - he improved as last season went along and if he can continue that we can have one heck of a leftside of an OL.
3. Joe Haden - I think he makes a leap from pretty good CB to elite CB this year.
Stepping Down
1. Rusty old vets - Fujita, Watson, Alex Smith, Sheldon Brown (good thing is we have less of these type now)
2. Can't stay healthy guys - TJ Ward, MoMass, Watson (again), Marecic
3. Surprise regression - complete wild-donkey guess but it's always someone...this year Gocong?
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Sheldon Brown- I thought he played fine last year but another year under his belt may push him into the dime corner role.
The only way Sheldon could get worse is if he went out there with cement filled boots.
I was thinking the same about Fujita.
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Sheldon Brown- I thought he played fine last year but another year under his belt may push him into the dime corner role.
The only way Sheldon could get worse is if he went out there with cement filled boots.
I was thinking the same about Fujita.
Fujita wasn't playing with cement filled cleats?
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As far as players I hope will step up, I just think it's time they unleash the Hounds.
Imo, the 4 members of the Hounds should be.
Gocong
Maiava
Young
Benard.
Unleash the Hounds.
Using these guys in specialized roles should really reak havoc on opposing offenses.
I look for those 4 to really step up.
That or someone else will fill their roles, and they will step it up.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Sheldon Brown- I thought he played fine last year but another year under his belt may push him into the dime corner role.
The only way Sheldon could get worse is if he went out there with cement filled boots.
I was thinking the same about Fujita.
Fujita wasn't playing with cement filled cleats?
I'm not the biggest Fujita fan, but didn't our defense kinda look a bit worse when Fujita went down? Maybe it was a leadership thing. Or maybe there was nobody handing out hundos for good hits.
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lol, maybe he would have run down Jared Cook if he had a tail of andrew jacksons pinned to his ass. Or Usama Young would have done more than just fall onto Cook on that play.
no, he sucks.
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I agree with most people here as far as consensus opinions.
As far as some out of consensus picks...
Stepping up:
1. Alex Mack - Had a couple noobs next to him last year and I thought he really struggled. He's a little light in the rump and people have gotten under his pads and forced him backwards. To me it would make sense that he makes a big jump forward this year. Both players next to him have played and gotten battle tested. They have a full offseason to work on communication. And Mack has more time to work on getting his base stronger. Maybe this year is an All-Pro year for him. He's got most of the tools to be an elite guy.
2. Marcus Benard - Probably went through a lot of soul searching last year. He sounds like he really gets it and truly appreciates what the Browns did for him last year. They didn't have to step up and pay him. But they did. Add to that a total miscommunication on what the team wanted from him physically (not to bulk way up like DEs in other 43s). And I think he may just break out. Like 10+ sacks type of season. He's a slippery guy. And he's motivated. Watch out. I don't think Rucker keeps him off the field.
Stepping Back
1. MoMass - From what I understand with his concussions he really had some problems. And before that he doesn't bring really anything above NFL average to the table. He's just....ugh. I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season playing professional football.
2. Rubin - Is going to get double teamed all game long. Paxson and Schafering? Does any NFL O-Lineman fear anything that they bring to the table? They get owned 1 on 1 constantly. If I were Rubin I'd have a tough time getting through games mentally knowing that I was going to be point of focus and doubles all day. Let alone the beating that I was going to take physically. I think it's going to be a struggle for him this year.
Spot on. My thoughts as well.
Except I'd add Jason Pinkston to the Stepping Up list. Love the work he put in this offseason. Really dedicated himself to his craft. I think he is going to emerge as an above average guard this year.
My two sleeper Step Up players are Haden and Ward. I think Haden becomes a household name this year.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'll add I agree with Mourg about Cribbs. I think he's gotten a bad rap on here about not being a good WR. One or two people say it and the rest parrot it. But, at a minimum, I believe he has more will and competitive spirit than most and will do much better if the QB position is improved.
I think he has the chance to at least silence some of his harshest critics that say he can't do it.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Cribbs has improved every year as a receiver and this is a contract year. I also think he matches up with Weeden really well in that Cribbs can get open on those quick slants but the ball just never hit him in stride or never came at all and Weeden threw that quick slant to blackmon right on the money every time.
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Weeden threw that slant to Blackmon against Baylor's, Tulsa's, Texas Tech's, Iowa State's, Kansas', and Kansas State's defenses. I'm holding my coronation ceremony plans until I see him do it against Pittsburg or Baltimore.
I want Weeden to succeed. Don't get me wrong. Until he does I'm not getting my hopes up. Nor am I going to assume he will.
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The thing that really encourages me is this:
Last year we would hear how McCoy was in there "battling". We would hear how he was the leader, and how he was doing some (non specific) good things on the practice field.
This year, every coach, from Shurmur, to Childress, to Whipple are all talking about Weeden in glowing terms, and most just rave about how well he throws the ball, his ability to make all of the passes, and how fast he is picking up the offense.
We really didn't get that kind of enthusiasm last year.
Most of these guys are pretty experienced too. Childress has worked with premium QBs, as has Whipple, and even Shurmur. These guys should know what a top shelf QB looks like, and they are all uniformly praising Weeden as that kind of guy.
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Little... If he can stop the drops he can only improve.
Sheard and Bernard... If either of them get going it'll only help the other. I'd be nice to collapse the pocket from both sides.
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Fujita... Another year older, another year slower.
Hardesty... Not that I ever expected anything from him from the day we drafted him. Horrible draft choice in my mind.
Watson... See Fujita. My hope is some of the youth at the TE position can push Watson from the starting position by the end of the year.
Close 3rd... Mo Mass. He's soft. No hustle. No fight. Maybe Weeden can help him elevate his game. My thoughts are he's going to have more passes thrown to him in tighter spaces. As Weeden is going to trust his arm. Mass has shown me no ability to fight a CB for the ball. I doubt that'll change when passes are thrown into tighter windows. Mass is good for a few interceptions every year just because he gives up on balls. It's pathetic to watch. Especially when I routinely watch other team's receivers attack the ball when it's in the air.
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On the other hand - what would you expect them to say about their first round qb pick?
I hope Weeden is half the qb you seem to think he is - because if so - we'll be 10-6 at a minimum.
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Stepping up ... I am going with the Right side of the line ( pleasant surprise ) : with The Force having a huge impact on Lavaou playing .. Also I think James-Michael Johnson will be on the field a lot ( as a LB ) .. Oh yea Smelly too !
Going the other way .. Not sure Emmanuel Acho ,( a sixth-round pick ) makes the final cut .. Also on a slippery slope will be Mo Mass / Brown & Fujita ..
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Hmm...
Stepping up:
- Little (needs to catch the ball and depends on Weeden, so no guarantees there)
- Pinkston/Lauvao (got better as the 2011 season went on, should be better yet with a full off-season to work together)
- Patterson (I thought he was WAY better than Brown by mid-season; IMO, should be the starter opposite Haden)
Stepping Back:
- MoMass (abysmal last season; IMO, he's just not good enough to be a starter in this league and should be replaced by the time TC closes)
- Fujita (old, busted and, for now, suspended for the beginning of the season)
- Sheldon Brown (old, busted. Period.)
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Sheldon Brown- I thought he played fine last year but another year under his belt may push him into the dime corner role.
The only way Sheldon could get worse is if he went out there with cement filled boots.
I was thinking the same about Fujita.
Fujita wasn't playing with cement filled cleats?
I'm not the biggest Fujita fan, but didn't our defense kinda look a bit worse when Fujita went down? Maybe it was a leadership thing. Or maybe there was nobody handing out hundos for good hits.
no, we've been over this in other threads. the defense did not take a noticeable step back with him out despite replacing him with Maiava. now, replace him with a hopefully better JMJ and it could step forward.
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We were slightly worse against the run with Fujita out, but Gocong was much more active, especially as a pass rusher, playing Fujita's position.
Our defense sucked against the run last year no matter who played LB ..... so we need to improve somehow. Frankly, I hope that JMJ wins the starting job. I think that he's got a world of talent.
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Frankly, I hope that JMJ wins the starting job. I think that he's got a world of talent.
Based on ... ?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Stepping up:
1. Sheard, he's a beast and will only get better and he's no longer a rook.
2. Mo Mass, I think with better QB play and Little gaining attention, Mo comes up big.
3. Hagg, Glad he's getting some love, No longer a rook, he's out to show the world he's better than a 7th rounder.
Stepping back
1. Brown, time to move over for the younger guys. No more toast allowed.
2. Obikanobi, I think just to many RB's, and the FO likes the new guy.
3. Mitchell, Same as above, to many WR's that the FO seems to like. I don't think he can show enough to keep himself on the roster.
And to Mour: Rubin has been excelled long before big Phil came along. I'm sure he will be his stout self no matter who is beside him. Hey I miss big Phil already too, but I think the Rooks will step up & he'll be back in no time anyway.
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We were slightly worse against the run with Fujita out, but Gocong was much more active, especially as a pass rusher, playing Fujita's position.
Our defense sucked against the run last year no matter who played LB ..... so we need to improve somehow. Frankly, I hope that JMJ wins the starting job. I think that he's got a world of talent.
yes, but the number was largely skewed due to the first Baltimore game (first game after Fujita was done for the year - we played Seattle without him too). Outside of that game, our run defense did just fine without Fujita and our other horrid run defense performances were with him at SOLB.
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Frankly, I hope that JMJ wins the starting job. I think that he's got a world of talent.
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Based on everything I have read about him, and video I have seen of him. I have seen too many draftees say that he was our steal of this draft ...... and I really like a lot of our other picks, so that's saying a lot.
Anyway, I think that he has a good size/speed combination, and everything I have seen about him says that he has great instincts for the position, and tackles very well. He's played both inside and outside, and seems to have a real talent for making plays for a loss.
He also seems like a really smart kid, and a kid who is driven to be great. I heard a few of his post draft interviews, and he just seems like a kid who understands that he has to work to be great, and who can't wait to do that work. I like that attitude in a player.
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I'll add I agree with Mourg about Cribbs. I think he's gotten a bad rap on here about not being a good WR. One or two people say it and the rest parrot it. But, at a minimum, I believe he has more will and competitive spirit than most and will do much better if the QB position is improved.
I think he has the chance to at least silence some of his harshest critics that say he can't do it.
Cribbs still is by far the best 4th WR in the entire league....every coach would LOVE to have a WR as versatile as Cribbs
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Step up
1. Patterson
2. Hagg
3. Pinkston
Back
1. Brown
2. Watson
3. D. Jackson
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