Just finished uploading this vid of Montario Hardesty.. It includes all his runs, catches, targeted plays.. you will have to excuse the Seattle game for its quality.. Thats the only game I don't have high quality access too, but its better than nothing.
I really have to wonder, after a second year away from the major injury he had, will hardesty be improved enough to really be someone that can help us.
I do remember hearing what good hands he had but then I remember one game where he dropped 4 balls thrown to him perfectly. that doesn't make me feel good.
Anyway,, second year removed from serious injury, could this be the year we see real production....
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One thing I dislike about Hardesty is his reliance on that spin move....While it is a good move, it seems like he uses it too much. And its never good to turn your back to the defense..even if only for a second.
His hands are suspect too...
I think Brandon Jackson and Hardesty are going to be fighting over one roster spot; either this year, or next year, one of them is gone.
I didn't watch all of it, but I skipped through spots all over it.
I saw a guy who cant catch for beans it seems. While many of the passes were difficult to catch, man he cant reel em in unless it hits him right in the hands.
But as a runner, he was pretty decisive and the only gripes I have is that he struggles taking an absolutely nothing play (where hes about to be hit in the backfield) and making anything of it. As it seemed anytime he was met in the backfield or LOS he went down shortly after. Which is partly play design or OL flaws, but good RBs can make a little out of it.
He seems to do a great job being patient and finding the hole when its there. I think we have found a great depth guy. As much as I like Ogbonnaya, Hardesty could take his spot and I'm fine.
TRich, Jackson, and Hardesty will be a great triple threat. And if Richardson starts to wear down by the end of the season, Hardesty could pick up the slack. Or if we try to distribute his carries, Hardesty can preserve him well.
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He was known to have very good hands. one bad game doesn't worry me. I think he will be just fine as a 2nd back. Will he ever be worth what we paid for him? Most think not.
Quote: I really have to wonder, after a second year away from the major injury he had, will hardesty be improved enough to really be someone that can help us.
I do remember hearing what good hands he had but then I remember one game where he dropped 4 balls thrown to him perfectly. that doesn't make me feel good.
Anyway,, second year removed from serious injury, could this be the year we see real production....
Well done HotByoungturk.
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I think that Hardesty was pressing a bit last year on some of those drops. He did everything right up to that point and it looked like he might have been trying to run before the ball arrived. As a receiver I think that he could posse some mismatches to a defense.
I don't think that most of us expected him to be fully recovered from his ACL after one year, so his rushing attempts we see from last season might be a little misleading.
My biggest concern is with his history of injuries.
What should be obvious is that he know longer is going/thought to be the main focus as we speculated when he was drafted.
Brandon Jackson I think will be more involved with the offense given that he has a nitch for 3rd downs.
Quote: He was known to have very good hands. one bad game doesn't worry me. I think he will be just fine as a 2nd back. Will he ever be worth what we paid for him? Most think not.
Yeah, that's what I thought also. it did worry me that he dropped 4 in one game,, that's just not what you want to see. But apparently they still believed enough in him to keep trying.
Something tells me that another year removed from the injury may prove him to be a very good back.. NOT GREAT but good. Trich, Hardesty and jackson could be a good set of backs..
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Quote: You aren't going to do one of these for all 53 players, are you???
And, were there seriously enough plays by Hardesty to make a video more than 30 seconds long??!!
I actually don't mind him doing that for players that are bubble guys,, or guys that cause us some concern like MoMass or Hardesty, Mitchell, Jordan and a few others that we have question marks about,. I think it would be a waste of time for a Joe Thomas, DQ Jackson, Gocong or Haden..
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Well .... looking at his whole season like this ..... it seems like he really lost his burst and speed about halfway through. Maybe that was because he was coming back from surgery ..... or maybe he just doesn't have anything left in his legs.
It will be interesting to see how he performs in the pre-season.
One other thing .... we ran a LOT against 7 and 8 men in the box. It's hard to get much going with that kind of volume of bodies that close to the LOS.
This was your last one? Darn .... I was hoping that you would do one on every completed pass in McCoy's career ... then one with every incomplete pass in his career ..... then one of Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers ... with their completed passes, and one with their incomplete passes, so that we would have a comparison. (yes that's sarcasm for those who can't tell)
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That was painful to watch. Its like our playcalling was handled by Woody Hayes on conservative steroids. As for Hardesty, he showed some flashes, but too often he seemed to run to contact instead of daylight. He also needs to work on catching the ball. I counted 5 or 6 drops, although I'm not positive they were all very good throws. But still, he got his hands on them ...
Players don't want to get injured, they want to be productive. Teams don't want injuries, they want players productive.
I can understand the opinions that just Hate Hardesty because, well just because. There are plenty of points to focus on about his play, that he's not gotten it done yet.
All you can come up with is, He's always injured. He's not always injured anyway. Another argument, it seems that the gist comes through. " He's not Peyton Hillis, and we l o v e Peyton Hillis, so he must vacuum, we have to hate him."
Now, This Year, He's not Trent Richardson, not the 1st pick of the team.
OH! That reminds me, So it is everybody is just still MAD a the fact Hardesty was traded up for in the draft.
Way to hold onto a grudge that the team didn't draft the way you wanted, 3 years ago!
So, NOW, When Hardesty doesn't, ( still doesnt'), get the chance to be a feature back and if he departs the team, having only had about half the opportunties that he may have had.
People can say he was bad all along.
Maybe he's bad, maybe he's not good enough to earn it. Maybe he's just not gonna get the opportunity. Maybe he's gonna get injured, maybe he just doesn't have the team and the system around him to thrive.
But I don't understand. " He's injured all the time" as an argument.
Is this the best representation?
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
He has looked like garbage since his rookie year injury. Unless there is a major redemptive season, he will not beat out OGB. Heck I saw him jogging out for OTA's on espn and the kid has a limp as bad as mine and I wear a knee brace just to hold my knee together.
I think Lee Suggs, I mean Hardesty, will stay on the team as long as he doesn't get injured. If he can stay healthy until final the final cut, he will make the team. I think he can be good if he holds up.
Quote: you will have to excuse the Seattle game for its quality.. Thats the only game I don't have high quality access too, but its better than nothing
The word 'quality' should never be used in the same sentence as last year's Seattle game . . .
Quote: I really have to wonder, after a second year away from the major injury he had, will hardesty be improved enough to really be someone that can help us.
I do remember hearing what good hands he had but then I remember one game where he dropped 4 balls thrown to him perfectly. that doesn't make me feel good.
Anyway,, second year removed from serious injury, could this be the year we see real production....
Also with Richardson taking the majority of carries we just need Hardesty to come in, protect the ball, and be a solid runner...
so far he's been a major disappointment for me.... really needs to stay healthy this year.
THROWLONG I know Hardesty, nor the team, nor me for that matter, want him to get injured. It just happens to some guys. Maybe Hardesty is the next Emmit Smith... But if he can't stay healthy then he can't prove it. Anymore than Courtney Brown could prove he was the next LT. What I see is a guy that has 88 attempts in three seasons. Why only 88? First because when he was on the field he did little to make anyone say wow. Second because it's hard to get a hand off from the training table. The team can't rely on the guy. It's not his fault really. It just is what it is. I don't care where he was (over)drafted. I agree that's in the past. But nothing in that past told me he'd be great. He missed the 2005 season with an injury. Then didn't do much, <400 yards, for the next two years. Finally breaking out his last year with 1300+ yards. Then showed up to get injured in preseason. Going on to miss his entire rookie year. Since then he's been dinged up or producing at low level. I see him as someone that needs replaced. Nothing personal. Just business.
One thing is for sure... He has bad hands. And it was more then just one game. He bobbled the catch and used his body almost every time he did catch it.
I have to agree with whoever said it above....I hate his spin move too. Does it way too much and not very effective.
I also thnk we need to cut him after watching that video. Lacks speed and quickness, goes down faster then a mobile home n a tornado. I thnk I only saw him break 3 tackles (all flimsy arm tackles). Everytime anyone got a square pads on him he went down w very little forward momentum. Absolutely no pwr for how big he is.
In short, average back no great power, speed, or moves. Like any other average NFL back he will look good when he has the holes to run through, and bad when he doesn't, plus he is just not able to stay healthy
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No doubt. Just the way it works sometimes. I live in Big Orange country. Foster was a OK player, but nobody saw what was on the way. It's rather fruitless to say we should have taken Foster instead. Nobody else did either.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Pros: -Good outside runner -Decent between guard and tackle. -Good hands on swing routes and where probability of getting viciously popped is minimal. In general his hands aren't as bad as some are saying here. -Somewhat elusive in space. Often makes the first guy miss. -Fast enough. -Plays with urgency. Youthful vim if you will.
Cons: -Just doesn't have the power to get tough yards between the guards. -Bad hands (concentration) in the flat. Never to be confused with slot receiver. -I can literally see his fear of getting popped early in the video sequence. Diminishes as it continues. Still, he's a natural "self preservation" runner. -Overall talent seems about average.
I think there's definitely room for him as a complimentary role player. If blocking is improved he can be dangerous on the outside with screen & swing passes. Not a star and I don't see him ever becoming one.
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He was buried on the depth chart due to injuries, new coaches, fierce competition and some fumbles his senior year. Then he was injured before the combine and had a poor showing at his pro-day (possibly still injured?). So he fell out of the draft.
Point being, a good GM can find diamonds in the rough. when was the last time a Browns GM "got a steal" at any position through the draft I'm think it might be Savage with Rubin.maybe?who would you rather have as a GM,Rick Smith or Tom Heckert?
and there's this kid in dreads. returned a few kicks, took a bunch of KSU fans to Omaha couple weeks ago. hear he was a good sign too. there are others (it's actually hard not to hit a few diamonds in the NFL, what team has none?)
Especially when they fed him up the middle on first downs like seven out of eight series last year at one point. Predictable. Conservative. Run to your repeated low gainers up the middle. Loaded box, no check out of it. Average was about 1.9 to 2.4 per carry. One "broke" for about 6 yards. We did little to help ourselves and on the sideline. Some variety and improved run blocking would help. I still believe we may be one of those teams that may need to be able to pass effectively to run, not vice versa.
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A low round pick starting at left guard his rookie year would be considered a steal. A low round pick starting at FS his 2nd year would be considered a steal. Not headline makersbut steals non the less.
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Darn .... I was hoping that you would do one on every completed pass in McCoy's career ... then one with every incomplete pass in his career ..... then one of Drew Brees, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers ... with their completed passes, and one with their incomplete passes, so that we would have a comparison. 
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