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Oh yeah I would like to point something out about Thad Matta the last 2 years
Diebler - 2nd rounder Sully - Late 1st rounder Buford - Undrafted Lighty - Undrafted Lauderdale - Undrafted
The guy gets the most out of his players even if they're not NBA caliber.
He's going to stop getting elite talent out of high school though. He doesn't develop them and get them drafted where they should have gone.
Diebler - 2nd round - #60 high school recruit (I'll give him that) Sullinger - 1nd round (#22) - #5 high school recruit Buford - Undrafted - #19 recruit Lighty - Undrafted - #36 recruit Lauderdale - Undrafted - #118, well, everyone know he wasn't good LOL.
Getting guys drafted, and drafted high is what's going to keep future recruits coming.
Matta takes guys ranked high and develops them into undrafted players. Top players are going to see this soon, and no longer want to play for Matta....
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I like the waiters pick. Gives us a solid scorer who plays physical at the 2 spot. I know alot of u stated that u dnt like the zoeller trade but I thnk it's a smart move. U get a mature solid big man that is mobile. He will have to get in the weight room... But who don't coming out of college. We get two solid players out this draft and one is a big man. It is IMO very important to have a good 4-5 bigmna rotation in the NBA. Most great teams are able to rebound and control the paint by doing this.
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Kinda sucks how 1, 2, and 3 went. I don't know a lot about Waiters, but a lot of my expectations went out the window when those first 3 picks went the way they did. I was hoping for MKG or Beal. Once that was gone if Grant thought Waiters was the best guy available? So be it. It seems like this wasn't a scramble move as there have been reports that they liked Waiters all year.
I love the move to get back into the top 20 to grab Zeller. He may not be an all star, but any time you can get a big who has some scoring ability, there isn't anything wrong with that. He should get eased in too, as Andy wasn't moved and should be back healthy in November when everything starts back up.
I can't wait to see how the backcourt looks with Kyrie and Waiters. If nothing else they should be able to draw a lot of fouls. If we can land a shooter, with those 2 on the floor they will see some great looks.
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Buford is a lazy bum. I read something from Terry Pluto that said he came to the workouts overweight, and was poor in his shot. Many executives questioned his desire to play. He has nba game, but if you don't want to play that's not on Matta. There's nothing more you could have did with Sullinger. He was probably overrated coming out of high school. You can't teach athleticsm, and jumping ability. I know Conley has had a nice career, and Cook is still in the league. Who knows what would've happened with Oden if he stayed healthy. I always thought Evan Turner had a lot of bust potential. Another guy that isn't a great athlete.
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What's going to happen to Lester Hudson? His late-season run reminds me a lot of Ricky Davis being the only guy who was trying when we were tanking for lebron.
He didnt even finish the year with us. We didn't sign him after his 2nd 10 day contract and he signed with the Grizzlies to finish the season.
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Getting guys drafted, and drafted high is what's going to keep future recruits coming.
Matta takes guys ranked high and develops them into undrafted players. Top players are going to see this soon, and no longer want to play for Matta....
Speaking of that, somebody sent me a tweet from Calipari.. I can't confirm if he actually sent it but you will get the sentiment...
It read: "I want to apologize to all the recruits this week. I'm spending the majority of my time answering questions from NBA teams about my six guys."
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Yeah, Calipari tweeted that.
That was definitely a recruiting pitch lol.
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Matta takes guys ranked high and develops them into undrafted players. Top players are going to see this soon, and no longer want to play for Matta....
Yeah becaus it sure had killed him lately 
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All those guys you listed have played within the last two years.
Those guys probably saw what he did with guys like Oden, Connolly, and Cook.
He didn't do that with this group of kids...
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Matta missed on every major target this year.
His only commit was 3 star, foreign guard Amedeo Della Valle.
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Matta missed on every major target this year.
His only commit was 3 star, foreign guard Amedeo Della Valle.
Just saying.
We had two scholarships available total and we are trying to get Rodney Hood
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Offensively, Waiters is adept at knowing when and where to attack and has the quickness to get there, like a tailback with his size. Part of his ability to impose his will is how he simply shrugs off defenders who rely on slapping at the ball or his arms as he bulls toward the rim. Once he's in the paint, he does a good job of putting his body into the interior defense and taking away their ability to swat his attempts around the goal. While not an elite leaper, he is quick of the floor and strong in the air.
In addition to being able to finish at the rim, Waiters also flashes a floater that will serve him well at the next level. As far as his jump shot goes, he shows fair touch and solid mechanics, but his results aren't very consistent. Much of his inconsistency stems from a tendency to lean one way or another in the air, even when he's able to get his feet set. But again, he has the touch and mechanics, so it's something more time in the gym should be able to fix. All in all, he is a slasher first who can get to and hold any spot he wants; and when his jumper gets going -- watch out.
Like almost every Jim Boeheim player, he remains much of a question mark on the defensive end after spending his college career hidden in the vaunted Syracuse zone. Despite that, Waiters consistently shows a bulldog mentality on the floor that translates to the defensive end. Though not extremely long, his strength and lateral quickness should provide him a solid foundation for becoming a solid defender at the next level. From all accounts of his workouts leading up to the draft, that competitiveness he shows on the floor has extended to his defensive effort in his auditions for teams.
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In a nutshell, Waiters is a thick, instinctual and aggressive basketball player who understands how to play the game. While his height/length isn't ideal for an NBA two-guard, he's the kind of player who knows how to assert himself and he is the type of player who has the strength and skills to negate a good deal of the size discrepancy he'll face at the next level.
Nothing I haven't heard already. He's an aggresive pittbull that can score
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Windy was embedded inside the war room last night. Here's how it went down. web page Editor's note: ESPN.com writer Brian Windhorst was embedded with the Cavaliers on draft day. With four picks in the top 34, the Cavs were in one of the most intriguing positions in the draft. They did not disappoint, making what many considered the surprise pick of the first round and then executing the biggest trade of the night. This is how it all happened behind the scenes. INDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- It's 5½ hours before the NBA draft but Cleveland Cavaliers general manager Chris Grant doesn't know that. He has volumes of information -- too much, probably -- on the dozens of prospects who are nervously waiting for men in his position to decide their futures. But Grant doesn't seem to actually know when the draft actually begins. "It's at 7:30, first pick about 7:35," said a Cavs staffer sitting across the room when Grant asks. "So we should know by about 8," Grant said, referring to the Cavs' first pick, No. 4 overall. Grant was drinking a San Pellegrino and wearing an open-collared shirt, khakis and loafers with no socks. His was making some light-hearted jokes but his eyes showed fatigue -- he hadn't slept much in the last few days. It'd been a while since he'd been home in time to put his three young sons to bed. "Yesterday I felt pretty good about what we are going to do," Grant said. "Today, we'll see." This is a huge day for Grant. It's the second year of a draft-centered rebuilding process he's undertaken. Since taking over as GM in 2010, Grant has followed this plan by trading for five extra first-round picks. He's devoted a huge portion of his year, as has his staff, to prepare for how to use the team's two first-round and two second-round picks. "We're going for a wing at No. 4," Grant said in the afternoon. "We're probably not coming out of this with four players, you don't want to have four rookies. I'm thinking two, maybe three; I'd prefer two." Grant meant he was planning on a trade, something he'd been working on for days, to parlay one or more of his picks to improve his position. And, perhaps most important, he was trying to find a perimeter player to pair with Rookie of the Year Kyrie Irving. That's something he'd been incrementally building toward for nine months, scouring the country during the college season and going through a detail-driven draft season filled with dinner meetings, private workouts and film study. When the draft started, Grant and his team had to rely on all the work they had already done and have the discipline to keep to the decisions that that work had led them to. By their very nature, draft nights can quickly go from organized to chaos because of the pressure and time constraints. The Cavs had five minutes to make their pick once the Washington Wizards made their selection at No. 3. Simply, there's never time to wish you'd taken more time. "You've got to try to take the emotion out of it; it can be easy to act like a drunken sailor," Grant said. "It can be easy to lose patience. You have to trust your process." That process played out in a narrow boardroom down the hall from Grant's office. Considering it's within the team's palatial $25 million practice facility, the team's austere draft room actually seemed a bit out of place with its utilitarian setup. A simple long wooden table was surrounded by four white walls all made of dry-erase board. There were markings and magnets with information everywhere like some sort of executive kindergarten. The table was covered in color-coded charts and notes, the product of thousands of man hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars all to help the team, and specifically its head of basketball operations, make these tough yet vital decisions. Decisions, so the plan goes, to be executed without emotion. Two months ago, when the team really started its draft process, there were about nine players who could've been its first pick. (Then several dozen or so more possibilities for the second pick, No. 24 overall.) By Thursday night, it was down to about four. There were numerous opinions and each scout and coach had slightly different lists. But it was pretty clear there were two names at the top once everything had been culled: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist of Kentucky and Dion Waiters of Syracuse. The Cavs were also quite high on Bradley Beal of Florida and Harrison Barnes of North Carolina. They had done exhaustive research on all four players. There wasn't much separating them. That's the real edge of any draft: Even with so many trained eyes and objective measurement tools, there's always an uncomfortable uncertainty. This is generally accepted if not at all embraced. The Cavs' rankings did not totally jibe with what many outside the room felt. Especially on Waiters, a prospect who was not highly regarded in many mock drafts because he came off the bench in his two seasons at Syracuse and, more likely, because he'd shut down pre-draft workouts a month ago. He did not come to Cleveland for a private workout and meeting, for example, even though the Cavs and other teams had wanted to host him. Waiters had gotten a promise from a team that it'd pick him and he and his agent, Rob Pelinka, were content to skip the normal process. There's a belief this promise came from the Phoenix Suns with the No. 13 pick, though Waiters and the Suns have so far refused to talk about it. As a result, Waiters was not ranked highly and many fans did not read or hear much about him in the days leading to the draft. There had been some buzz about the Cavs' interest but only if they traded back. But looking for an aggressive and tough scorer, the Cavs had done highly detailed work on Waiters and he kept impressing them. "I just couldn't get him out of my mind," Grant said. Trent Redden, the Cavs' director of college personnel, had been to Syracuse's campus several times to see and gather information on Waiters. Grant spent three days there watching Waiters practice and play and attended a couple of the Orange's NCAA tournament games. Several of the team's other decision-makers had watched Waiters extensively as well. In addition, the Cavs had talked at great length with Syracuse's coaching staff. Grant has known Syracuse assistant coach Mike Hopkins since they were both in high school. Waiters' basic statistics didn't seem all that impressive for a player under such consideration: 12.8 points a game off the bench, a couple rebounds and a couple assists. But the more advanced stats the Cavs looked at impressed them further. He shot a high percentage on the kinds of shots they felt he'd take in the pros and they liked his numbers scoring out of the pick-and-roll. So even as Waiters' name stayed out of the mainstream news, as the days passed he was in the Cavs' internal headlines. Coach Byron Scott had fallen in love with Waiters' ability after watching plenty of film. As far as Scott was concerned, getting the 6-foot-4 shooting guard would be hitting a jackpot. The draft started right on time. But while the viewers were focused on Anthony Davis becoming the No. 1 overall pick the Cavs were focused on something else. They were one of several teams that had talked to the Charlotte Bobcats about trading up for the No. 2 pick. They were waiting on a final indication of whether the Bobcats were interested in their offer. This is a common dance every year, teams checking each other's temperature, and sometimes it progresses to offers. The Cavs were interested in liquidating some of their other picks. They would repeat this exercise throughout the evening. The phones were worked mostly by Redden, vice president of basketball operations David Griffin and director of player personnel Wes Wilcox. Grant would usually get involved if anything got serious. By the very nature of the event, most of it didn't. As it turned out, that was the case with the Bobcats, who held on to their pick. Wilcox and Redden believed that if Charlotte indeed kept the pick that it'd take Kidd-Gilchrist. Other people in the room weren't as sure, thinking the Bobcats were very interested in Kansas forward Thomas Robinson. This was the pick that would have the biggest effect on the Cavs' first decision. The team had gone equally as deep with the Kentucky small forward as it had gone with Waiters. In addition to being the kind of impact wing the Cavs were really looking for, Kidd-Gilchrist was a high school teammate of Irving's and had the same representation team as Tristan Thompson, the Cavs' other standout rookie from the 2011-12 season. The Cavs also had real interest in shooting specialist Beal but were rather certain he would not get past the Wizards. So it came down to the Bobcats' call. The Cavs were either going to have their choice of Kidd-Gilchrist or Waiters, or have the choice made for them. When it was Kidd-Gilchrist whose name was called by Charlotte, Waiters was aligned to be a Cav. Barnes was under consideration, yes, but Waiters was the consensus pick. This wasn't known outside the room, which was the point, and certainly not very expected at the Cavs' draft party in downtown Cleveland at Quicken Loans Arena. The fans there, unfamiliar with Waiters because of the limited discussion about him before the draft, booed when the pick was announced. There was no false pretense; the executives and coaches were genuinely elated. They'd gotten a player they felt better about the more time they put into making the decision. "I was very excited his name was still on the board at No. 4," Scott said. "I think we got a steal." Instantly the outside reaction was that the Cavs had taken a risk, choosing a player who wasn't even a starter over more well-known and higher-rated players. The Cavs had done a similar thing last year with the No. 4 pick, taking Thompson when other players with more buzz were available. The reaction in the Cavs' draft room couldn't have been more different. They had just taken the player they had rated highest who was still available. That included team owner Dan Gilbert, who fully supported the decision. Every pick has risk but the Cavs felt Waiters had emerged as their selection because of how their process worked, not because they wanted to pull a surprise. "This was the right fit for our team," Grant said several times, including to the local media at a news conference after the draft. By the time some of the response was playing out on local radio and on Twitter, and Waiters was expressing surprise on national television that he went fourth, the Cavs had moved on. With their first goal realized, their second was to move up and try to improve their lot with their second pick. Moving around in the draft, however, was proving to be more of a challenge than in recent years. With new rules on spending, the value of cost-controlled first-round picks had clearly increased. It's a trend that has been developing over the past few years and really played in this draft. In fact, despite the usual amount of chatter, there was virtually no movement. [+] Enlarge Jennifer Pottheiser/NBAE/Getty Images After some draft day dealing by Grant, Zeller became a Cav. The Cavs had a handful of players they were looking at in the mid-teens, hoping to use their other three picks to move up. This is again where planning came into play. Before the draft started, they had agreed that moving into the teens was worth their No. 24 pick plus their two high second-round picks, Nos. 33 and 34. Three picks for one seemed like a lot but Grant had decided that he wanted a better player now much more than four rookies or the option of dumping a second-rounder this year for a second-rounder in the future. That was an issue that was put to bed long before David Stern took the podium Thursday night. Wilcox, Redden and Griffin continuously worked the phones, checking several picks ahead and then circling back. Several players they had interest in came off the board and there was dwindling hope that they might be able to move up. After all, no one had moved up or down all night. But then, after trying for nearly an hour, the Cavs found some action. The Mavericks, conscious of clearing cap space, were willing to give Cleveland the No. 17 pick for those three other picks. Still available was North Carolina center, legit 7-footer and four-year college player Tyler Zeller. The Cavs had him ranked just outside the top 10 on their board and he was a big man, certainly a position of need. Over the previous two months the Cavs had brought nearly 60 players into Cleveland for workouts, but Waiters and Zeller, interestingly, were not among them. This is unusual but it did not give the team pause. Grant and his scouts had seen Zeller play for years. He was the ACC Player of the Year, but that didn't impress the Cavs as much as some of his advanced statistics, which showed he was one of the most efficient scorers in the draft. His shooting numbers were especially attractive. The Mavericks wanted to add injury-plagued guard Kelenna Azubuike to the deal to get it done. The Cavs weren't totally sure of his health status -- he played in only four games last season -- but were so focused on upgrading in the draft that they agreed to take on the remaining year of his contract at just over $1 million. When the trade was done the room burst into applause, a release of the adrenaline that had been building in the chase. Nearly four hours later, Grant sat behind the desk in his office trying to decompress from it all. It was after 1 a.m. and Tad Carper, the team's senior vice president of communications, was going over Grant's media schedule for the next day. Radio appearances, a news conference with Waiters and Zeller after they'd been flown in with their families on a private jet from New York, and various other items. The Cavs had one of the most interesting nights of any team and people were going to want to talk about it. Meanwhile, Grant scrolled through the Internet, catching up on everything else that had happened. For the second straight draft, the Cavs were able to get a guard and a big man. They got a backcourt mate for Irving and a frontcourt mate for Thompson. They hope they'd just gotten closer to being a contender. Of course, nothing like that could possibility be known now. That's where the true suspense is.
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I'm a stat guy...always have been... http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dion-Waiters-5738/From DX scouting video on Waiters: Lethal Scorer Averaged 21.2 points per 40 minutes pace adjusted, good for 6th among SG's Instant offense off the bench Impossible to keep out of the lane Can torch you in a variety of ways Penetration A bulldog going to the rim, great first step then too strong to stop from there Scored 0.89 PPP out of the PnR Scored 0.84 PPP out of iso's 25.8% of shots came at the rim where he converted 51.5% Off the Dribble Does a nice job getting into shot off the bounce Shot 45.2% from 17 feet to the 3-point line Made 25 of 72 attempts off the dribble and scored 0.82 PPP off the bounce 28.1% of his jump shots come off the dribble 3-point Range Inconsistent but can catch fire from distance Made 1.1 threes per game and shot 36.3% 60.4% of jumpers came from beyond the arc Very good as a spot up shooter, posted a FG% of 47.5% and 1.01 PPP Transition Extremely quick baseline to baseline Tough to stop with a full head of steam Great at finishing with contact on the break Transition made up 26.7% of his offensive plays Converted 68.7% of his transition attempts Strength & Athleticism Great NBA fram at 6-4, 210 pounds Does a good job finishing with contact Sheds tackles when he attacks the rim Has another gear, great burst and explosion Solid leaper despite his height Playmaking for Others Undoubtedly a scorer first and foremost but he can set up his teammates as well Ranked 3rd among SGs in the DX Top 100 in assists per 40 mins pace adjusted with 4.2 Doesn't have great court vision but his ability to break down the D opens up shots Active Defender Led all SGs w/ 3.0 stls per 40 mins pace adjusted Quick and strong hands, plays the passing lanes Never played M2M Played little to no defense his freshman year, but greatly improved soph season
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Is Thomas Robinson good enough to get the Sacramento Kings out of the lottery next year? I guess that means, can the Kings make the playoffs next season? Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins, Thomas Robinson, Jimmer Fredette, thats 4 good young players, maybe we get there 1st next year.
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Is Thomas Robinson good enough to get the Sacramento Kings out of the lottery next year? I guess that means, can the Kings make the playoffs next season? Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins, Thomas Robinson, Jimmer Fredette, thats 4 good young players, maybe we get there 1st next year.
Let's hope so.
We would then have our own #1 ...... Sacramento's #1 ....... and either Miami's or LA's ..... whichever is higher. (plus, IIRC, 2 seconds)
We really do have an embarrassment of riches as far as future draft picks go.
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Hard to say...as it stands now they're probably the fourth best team in their own state.
Just seems like its easy to name eight teams in the West that are better. Lakers, Clips, Thunder, Spurs, Nuggets, Jazz, Grizz, Mavs...I'd put all of those teams ahead of Sacto today. Probably Rockets and Wolves too. Some of them are on their way down, some are on their way up, but I still just don't see the Kings making the playoffs.
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Looking at the roster, it will be exciting to see what Grant and Co do the next 12 months.
Entering next offseason, they only have approximately $23,311,000 in contracts tied up in 5 players: AV, Irving, TT, Waiters and Zeller. I'm assuming they will match Gee($4.5 million) this offseason, and lets say they sign Johnny Flynn($1.5 million) and 1 other free agent ($2 million). That would raise them to $31,311,000 for 8 players. The Cavs have at least 2 first round picks in 2013 (our own plus Miami's) with the option to swap either one of those picks(Miami's) with the LA Lakers pick in the 2013 draft. The Kings pick is top 13 protected in the 2013 NBA draft, so I doubt we see that one next year. Throw in a top 10 pick and a pick in the 20's and that gives the Cavs 10 players at approximately $36 million. With the Cap somewhere around $60 million, the Cavs should have a pretty attractive roster with enough cap space to sign a max contract guy, or 2-3 solid free agents to add to an emerging team.
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When does FA begin?
We need to get Gee locked up ASAP.
I'm loving the core we have of KI, DW3, GEE, TT, and Z(2.0)...
Plus with Big Z in the building, Tyler's got someone he can learn from possibly...
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If Zeller can learn that little 15 footer Z had down, he could literally have a job for the next 15 years.
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So apparently OKC offered Charlotte James Harden for the #2 so that OKC could take Beal.. 
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We don't need the Kings to make the playoffs ... we need them to just miss them.
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I'd put all of those teams ahead of Sacto today. Probably Rockets and Wolves too. Some of them are on their way down, some are on their way up, but I still just don't see the Kings making the playoffs.
We don't need the Kings to make the playoffs ... we need them to just miss them.
So the top 13 protected means draft order and not lotto order, right?
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Yeah, I would imagine ... would be pretty dumb of them not to stipulate that and watch a #14 or so pick turn into a #1 overall.
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Being in the West, assuming it holds tough, they'd almost have to double their win total to be #9 in that conference.
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We don't need the Kings to make the playoffs ... we need them to just miss them.
.333 or less winning percentage the past four seasons. Two teams from the West missed the playoffs this year with .500+ records. One .500+ team plus a team at .476 missed last year. I just don't see the Kings playing .500 ball any time soon.
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Jumping from .333 to .500 with an 82 game schedule is 14 more wins.
From .282 (their combined winning percentage for the past four seasons) to .500 is 18 more wins. So yeah, really close to doubling their win total to get to .500, which is about where they need to be for us to get that pick.
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Being in the West, assuming it holds tough, they'd almost have to double their win total to be #9 in that conference.
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but being #12 could put them outside the top10
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That doesn't mean a thing next year unless its outside of the top 13. If they have the #12 pick they keep it.
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If Zeller can learn that little 15 footer Z had down, he could literally have a job for the next 15 years.
He's already got that little hook shot down from the video I have seen.
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I expect us to draft a defensive SF who can't shoot 3's like a Shane Battier next year.
Oh yeah don't underestimate what Zeller could do for us. He's a poor mans Pau Gasol that needs to add muscle but is faster
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Thing is with Zeller, though, he's 7'0" but he has a standing reach of 8'8". That's about six inches shy of the average for a center. I like his skill set; don't get me wrong. I just think he's going to struggle with his post defense and get bodied around by thicker guys down low. He can correct some of that by adding some bulk and muscle to his frame, but it tempers my expectations and says we might still need to get that "enforcer" type 5 still. Either way, I'm betting he'll be a very solid part of the rotation. He has a good stroke, set of moves/fakes, knocks down free throws, and runs the floor really well (which meshes with Kyrie and Dion).
Like the player. Just don't get the Z comparisons.
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Thing is with Zeller, though, he's 7'0" but he has a standing reach of 8'8". That's about six inches shy of the average for a center. I like his skill set; don't get me wrong. I just think he's going to struggle with his post defense and get bodied around by thicker guys down low. He can correct some of that by adding some bulk and muscle to his frame, but it tempers my expectations and says we might still need to get that "enforcer" type 5 still. Either way, I'm betting he'll be a very solid part of the rotation. He has a good stroke, set of moves/fakes, knocks down free throws, and runs the floor really well (which meshes with Kyrie and Dion).
Like the player. Just don't get the Z comparisons.
Maybe because he has a pretty well developed offensive game ...... and his last name starts with ....... "Z"? 
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Just some thoughts on the Waiters-Wade comparison.
His quickness may be the same but he may be a step below in the athleticism and strength just because that Wade is unreal when it come to those things but Waiters does have it. The reason they are compared is because the way the play the game is almost identical. Wade may be the better overall athlete but Waiters is also a better shooter to help make up for it.
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The Cavaliers have offered Gee a qualifying offer .... so he's now a restricted free agent .... Same for Luke Harangody. To almost no one's surprise, they haven't yet made a qualifying offer to Erden. (AKA lump on the floor) Swingman Alonzo Gee receives contract offer, making him restricted free agent: Cavaliers Insider | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2012/06/cavs_extend_qualifying_offer_t.htmlINDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- The Cavaliers extended a $2.7 million qualifying offer to swingman Alonzo Gee on Friday, meaning the team can match any offer he receives in order to keep the restricted free agent. "Certainly Alonzo is a primary target to return for us and he's a priority for us," General Manager Chris Grant said. "He did a fantastic job for us last year and continues to grow." The Cavs made a $1 milion qualifying offer to forward Luke Harangody, but have not announced whether they will extend a similar offer to center Semih Erden. . Gee, an undrafted free agent from Alabama who arrived from the D-League during the 2010-11 season, moved from sixth man to the starting lineup last season, averaging 10.6 points, 5.1 rebounds and 1.8 assists in 63 games, including 31 starts. When he returned from the lockout, Cavs coaches marveled at how much he had improved. Right to work: Draft choices Dion Waiters and center Tyler Zeller, along with Grant, coach Byron Scott, forward Tristan Thompson and Dr. Ricardo Rodriguez, interim chair of the Cleveland Clinic Children's Hospital, helped dedicate the new family room for the Cleveland Clinic Children's Hospital for Rehabilitation (CCCH) Shaker Campus on Friday. Rookie of the Year Kyrie Irving was unavailable because he was taking part in an NBA Cares project in the New York area. Z on Z: Zeller -- Z2? -- talked about having the opportunity to work with former Cavs big man Zydrunas Ilgauskas. "I'm actually very much looking forward to learning from him," Zeller said. "He's obviously a fantastic player and somebody I'm looking forward to learning from and being able to work with. I think he can teach me a lot of things about how to transition from college to the NBA and try to make me as good of an NBA player as I can be. "I talked to him briefly but I know over time I'm going to continue to bounce ideas off of him and work with him." Settlement reached: The NBA has reached a settlement agreement with the NBA Players Association in the recent arbitration proceeding filed on behalf of ex-Cav J.J. Hickson, Chauncey Billups, Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak. Under the settlement, the union agreed to limit the scope of the ruling by arbitrator Kenneth Dam in exchange for the league's agreement to drop its appeal. The rule will now be that players who are claimed from waivers will have the same "Early Bird" rights as if they had been traded, but will not have full "Bird" rights unless they are claimed through the league's amnesty procedure. Early Bird and Bird rights enable teams to exceed the salary cap to resign their own players. Players must spend three years with a team to earn full Bird rights, two years for Early Bird rights.
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Like the player. Just don't get the Z comparisons.
The same reason any black guy that shoots 3s is the next Ray Allen and not Mike Miller. And White DE is the next Jared Allen and not Reggie White.
He's 7 foot, White, and last name starts with Z.
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He reminds me of Robert Swift, Eric Montross, and Shawn Bradley.
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I need to stop reading PBT. EVERY SINGLE Draft column they've put out since thursday mentions how "Waiters was reach, and the Cavs should have traded back and picked him up later" Because it's SOOOO easy to just trade back... I hate this Logic. Especially when they throw a number like 7 out. Oh he was a reach at 4, BUT HE'S OK 3 PICKS LATER? 
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As long as Harangody stays, I'll be happy. 
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I look at this team after the draft and see a dramatically improved team. The Cavaliers have 2, or maybe even 3 first round picks in next year's draft. They have a ton of salary cap room to fill holes this year. They can even look for some up and coming type players that their current teams can't afford to resign. The Cavaliers might be able to add a couple of such players with the salary cap room they have. The Cavs have $41 million in salaries, but almost $15 million of that was Baron Davis, and he was amnesty waived. They still have to pay his salary, but he doesn't count against their cap. That leaves them with a salary number of about $26 million plus their 2 rookie draft picks. (including the qualifying offers to Harangody and Gee) The cap is something like $61 million for next year.?.?.? The Cavaliers can spend a lot if they choose to. This year's team will not have Parker or Jamison ..... so that should be an improvement.  Actually, both guys did have some positives, but both probably held the team back in ways as well. Hopefully Erden will hit the bricks. A 7' stiff with no game is still a stiff with no game. We shouldn't see the revolving door from the D league this year. Our supporting talent should improve, because we will eliminate some of the players like Erden from the roster. The Cavaliers have 12 guys under contract for 2012-2013, including Luke Walton and their 2 draft picks.(who I counted as under contract, because they will be .....) They will have to add 3-4 more players, (depending on what they do with Walton) and have a lot of money with which to do so.
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