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Here's one thing they ought to do: Ban advertising for drugs.

Let the doctors decide what's best - don't go advertising.

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Mac do those figures take into account the expense of the DR for keeping their practice open? Rent, utilities, saleries for staff, supplies, etc, etc, etc?

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Mac do those figures take into account the expense of the DR for keeping their practice open? Rent, utilities, saleries for staff, supplies, etc, etc, etc?

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Mac do those figures take into account the expense of the DR for keeping their practice open? Rent, utilities, saleries for staff, supplies, etc, etc, etc?

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I have two doctors in the family.. based on what they say, it's the price of malpractice insurance that keeps them in the hole.

So while a surgeon might make 500k, I wonder how much of that goes right out the window for Malpractice ins.

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Hey D, if you know two doctors who are "in the hole," they're doing it wrong.

To me, the biggest problem is the cost of services to the uninsured compared to the costs to the insured and insurance companies.

If I could get the "network discounts" that insurance companies get, I wouldn't need insurance.

But if I didn't have insurance, I couldn't afford health care.

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Yeah, you missed the point completely..

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Did I? I answered your "I wonder" just above your reply.

Next time you think "I wonder," try replacing it with "I'll Google."

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Mac do those figures take into account the expense of the DR for keeping their practice open? Rent, utilities, saleries for staff, supplies, etc, etc, etc?

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I have two doctors in the family.. based on what they say, it's the price of malpractice insurance that keeps them in the hole.

So while a surgeon might make 500k, I wonder how much of that goes right out the window for Malpractice ins. At the high end, $50k in an average state (10%) which would be a buisness expense written off for taxes.

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Hey D, if you know two doctors who are "in the hole," they're doing it wrong.

To me, the biggest problem is the cost of services to the uninsured compared to the costs to the insured and insurance companies.

If I could get the "network discounts" that insurance companies get, I wouldn't need insurance.

But if I didn't have insurance, I couldn't afford health care.

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What we need first is a schedule of costs for services. The current system of every hospital having it's own charges is counter-productive to controlling costs. This doesn't not mean we remove the profit form the health care business, just control it so if they take me to hospital A I pay the same as I would at hospital B that's 5 miles up the rode.

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Neurosurgery: $689,000

Those look like great incomes to me, and in fact, all four of these incomes would put you in the top 4% of incomes in the U.S. I picked these four because these would be the hardest hit under a universal Medicare payment plan, they all would take over a 20% hit in annual income. Here’s what the table looks like with the change in income:

Neurosurgery: $462,000 -32.8% from $689,000

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I agee, those games sucked. I spent many hours playing this much more realistic game, which I still have:

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Universal healthcare is going to be solved by by Mattel football! Amazing

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What we need first is a schedule of costs for services. The current system of every hospital having it's own charges is counter-productive to controlling costs. This doesn't not mean we remove the profit form the health care business, just control it so if they take me to hospital A I pay the same as I would at hospital B that's 5 miles up the rode.

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I don't think so....What if Hospital A is one of the top hospitals in the World, Country, State...whatever....It is a hospital that has an excellent reputation and is an excellent hospital.....and Hospital B is falling apart, give poor service, have bad nurses, doctors...etc...And you want to have them paid the same???

I don't think so....

That is like saying we have a Honda Fit and a Bentley Arnage...and the Bentley boys are going to have to accept the "standard payment for transportation" for their vehicle.

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Neurosurgery: $689,000

Those look like great incomes to me, and in fact, all four of these incomes would put you in the top 4% of incomes in the U.S. I picked these four because these would be the hardest hit under a universal Medicare payment plan, they all would take over a 20% hit in annual income. Here’s what the table looks like with the change in income:

Neurosurgery: $462,000 -32.8% from $689,000

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Boo freakin' hoo... somebody makes a lot of money.. it's not fair.. they could live on 20% less and be just fine.... they make more than me... where is the freakin' crying baby gif?

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and the article, were written by a DOCTOR...not a politician...and obviously a doctor with a "fiscally conservative" point of view when it comes to keeping medical costs down.

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So now government regulation and price control equates to fiscally conservative?

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I have to laugh when I see those who claim to be "conservative(s)"...take a stand FOR higher medical costs.

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Next time you "conservatives" complain about GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE... remember this comment from the article...

"One of the biggest problems with our health care system is the unchecked growth of health care costs. We know that Medicare does a better job of controlling health care costs than private insurers. Along with this comes lower reimbursement rates for doctors which leads to the oft reported phenomenon of doctors not accepting new Medicare patients or dropping out of Medicare altogether."
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Kind of blows a hole in this idea that Government run healthcare doesn't work to keep costs down.

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Also, it seems logical, as the number of members/patients in the system increases, so to does the power to negotiate and control reimbursements, which helps to keep costs down.

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I'm a big fan of fair compensation, including how much Doctors are paid for services performed.

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Fair? I guess as long as some bureaucrat gets to decide what "fair" is, a bureaucrat who is elected by the 50% of people who pay no taxes and have no skin in the game.. yea, that's who I want deciding what "Fair" compensation is... So a decent power forward or a guy who makes one decent movie is worth $20 million a year but a guy with 10 years of education, who saves lives, is on call 24 hours a day and works 80 hours a week isn't worth $600K? Or to put it another way, the neurosurgeon isn't worth the same as the guy who runs the Laborers International Union? Is that guy worth $600K a year mac?

This whole notion of "Fair" is really starting to make me sick.. I mean like physically nauseous... I cringe every time I hear my kids use it and I correct them. There was a time in this country, not too terribly long ago, when the guy who didn't support himself, lived off the hard work of others and contributed nothing to society was considered selfish and the guy who made something of his life and made a lot of money in a good honest way was looked up to and respected... somewhere along the line it switched and now the guy who contributes little to nothing is considered to have the moral high ground and the guy who bettered himself, got the education, made something of his life and makes a lot of money is the one who is considered selfish... Welcome to the handbasket.

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Quality will go down mac.. wait times will go up.. write it down and wait for it to happen.

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j/c

Got a question: For some reason I was under the assumption that hospitals and/or doctors couldn't charge interest to patients (well, patients parents, that is). Apparently I was wrong?

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j/c

Got a question: For some reason I was under the assumption that hospitals and/or doctors couldn't charge interest to patients (well, patients parents, that is). Apparently I was wrong?

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Not positive on doctors -- but they do usually send the debts to a collection agency, who can charge interest (and more importantly) large fees.

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Bottom line? We rank 37th in the world in health care. While we pay more for health care per capita than any other country in the world.

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Where Obama screwed up is he compromised with big business instead of just taking over health care and paying flat rates for services like they do in Europe.

They pay far less per person and have much better rated health care along with longer life expectancies. But then, that would be wrong. Because health care is big business, not a human right.

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