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Before I get jumped on, no, I do NOT smoke the reefer, ever. This is just one of those "shower thoughts" that I wanna write down and see what kind of discussion it sparks.
I was watching Sportscenter this morning as they talked about the Chargers, their draft needs, and everyone who left the organization in the past year. They mentioned the offense wasn't hurt by Cam Cameron leaving because Norv Turner taught Cameron everything he knew.
Then it got me thinking about Chud. Chud is mentored by Cameron, who was mentored by Turner, and Chud worked under Marty in SD.
Sure, Todd Grantham has no affiliation with Marty (to my knowledge). But he runs the 3-4.
Let's see, Chud/Cameron offense, 3-4 defense. I start to wonder. What if the Browns struggle during the first half of the season? The current word is that Romeo is probably on a short leash. If he's let go, could Marty instantly replace him before the offseason even arrives?
The pieces of the puzzle lead you to believe so. I highly doubt this was intentional but it still makes me think.
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He COULD be... yea... but why even think the negative...
for that the happen... the browns would have to be losing...
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Interesting thought.
I'm trying to think back, has there ever been a mid-season replacement from outside the current staff? It seems when a coach is let go during the season, one of the assistants who is already there steps in as the "interim" coach to finish the year.
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Mid season replacements are dumb, and short sighted.
Do it now, or do it after the season...you look classless when you fire a coach midseason.
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I don't ever remember a football coach from outside of an orginization ever stepping in mid season.
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Why would anyone bring up this topic right now? We Cleveland fans need teh glass to be half FULL once in awhile. 
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Why would anyone bring up this topic right now? We Cleveland fans need teh glass to be half FULL once in awhile.
No...we need it full.
I am tired of getting a half empty glass.
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Mid season replacements are dumb, and short sighted.
Do it now, or do it after the season...you look classless when you fire a coach midseason.
Exactly. If they're not sold on RAC now, replace him now. If they make the decision to go through the year with him, then go through the year with him.
When you're trying to reestablish a once-proud reputation, you generally try to keep the number of moronic PR disasters to a minimum. Luckily, Savage knows the difference.
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I don't mind mid season replacements if necessary...I just don't think it possible to bring in someone new....it has to be someone already on staff to finish things out.
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HAND OVER THE BEER BONG
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Where did you say you got that reefer....and can you get me some too 
haha, I said I don't and I'm not on drugs. This was just an out there thought.
I don't recall getting a midseason replacement from outside an organization either, but I'm just throwing it out there cuz the stars seem to be aligned for it.
That of course is assuming we suck this year, which I really hope we don't.
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Before I get jumped on, no, I do NOT smoke the reefer, ever. This is just one of those "shower thoughts" that I wanna write down and see what kind of discussion it sparks.
I was watching Sportscenter this morning as they talked about the Chargers, their draft needs, and everyone who left the organization in the past year. They mentioned the offense wasn't hurt by Cam Cameron leaving because Norv Turner taught Cameron everything he knew.
Then it got me thinking about Chud. Chud is mentored by Cameron, who was mentored by Turner, and Chud worked under Marty in SD.
Sure, Todd Grantham has no affiliation with Marty (to my knowledge). But he runs the 3-4.
Let's see, Chud/Cameron offense, 3-4 defense. I start to wonder. What if the Browns struggle during the first half of the season? The current word is that Romeo is probably on a short leash. If he's let go, could Marty instantly replace him before the offseason even arrives?
The pieces of the puzzle lead you to believe so. I highly doubt this was intentional but it still makes me think.
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LOL Go back to the shower and rethink everything about life as you know it Just pulling your leg Ammo. Anything is possible but if your looking to connect the dots, I doubt you can at this point... Just because Chud was taught by Cam and Cam was taught by Turner and Chud and Cam worked for marty,, to draw any conclusion from that is a total waste of time,, So now I'm not kidding,,,, Go back to the showers...LOL
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Could Marty be a midseason replacement?
No.....never happen.
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Before I get jumped on, no, I do NOT smoke the reefer, ever. This is just one of those "shower thoughts" that I wanna write down and see what kind of discussion it sparks.
Ammo...do you have another drug of choice?
You seem to admit that this is borderline crazy, yet you start the thread anyhow.  
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Can we win for once?
Well,if we "build an OL for once",maybe so.
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Interesting thought but, nah, I believe Romeo has at least this season before the FO even considers whether or not to remove him. Barring a complete collapse like last year, I actually think Romeo will get a complete four seasons before any final decision on his fate will get made. Savage keeps referring to a "process" they have been putting into place for the last two years and I believe that Lerner will allow this process to unfold before he makes any radical changes.
So, no, I don't foresee any mid-season change this season. Honestly, I'm not sure why Marty would want to come back to Cleveland anyway. He's been there and done that. Plus, he isn't getting any younger and working on another rebuilding project probably isn't what he's going to have in mind if/when he returns to coaching.
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Interesting thought but, nah, I believe Romeo has at least this season before the FO even considers whether or not to remove him.
Before commenting on this, a nod to the poster who's living in my hometown of Medina. It sure seems a long way from Texas right now.
Not at all trying to be confrontational, but in this day and age, QB's and head coaches don't get time like they used to. Frye got two years and part of this one, so does RAC. This will be his 3rd season and he's being handed some players. He's got a legitimate defensive end, a legit (albeit aging) nose tackle, an 11-sack rusher who's only going to get better, two ILB's that are decent enough, one pro-bowl caliber corner, an up-and-coming safety who's good enough to start on any team in the league, a pro-bowl guard, a veteran center, another guard who's good if healthy, a returning Ryan Tucker, he's going to have the 3rd pick in the draft, etc etc etc.
RAC's time to get to .500 is now, especially considering all of his own mistakes that he's made along the way that have absolutely nothing to do with talent.
Like MO last year, RAC has the first half of this season to do something. He doesn't have to lead the division, but he can't get off to a 2-6 start or he's done.
Now, setting that aside, No, Marty isn't a midseason replacement. He's not an idiot. His proven track record will earn him another shot. He won't have to take a midseason reclamation project. Those kinds of coaches never succeed, so it'd just be a blackmark on his record. He'll want to start at the beginning of the process so that he has a hand in player acquisition as well as having time to study film and make moves with his staff.
Basically, no, he's not a midseason candidate, but you can bet he'd be on the short list of coaching candidates if/when RAC is fired.
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I really, really, really, really, really want Marty to coach the Browns again!
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Well Toad, we seem to be thinking alike on this issue. I do not believe that Marty or any other Coach outside of the organization would be a mid-season replacement. If RAC is let go mid-season, then Chud or another will step up as interem HC. Then after the season Phil and Randy (mostly Phil)  will compile a list of candidates and like you said, Toad, I'm sure Marty would be on that list. I also happen to believe that Jim Mora Jr. would be on that list. He impressed me with what he done in Atlanta the first half or so of the season. He did make a boo-boo on the radio and that cost him his job. I think the Falcons regretion at the end of the season was largely due, in my opinion, that they are not as good as what some people seem to think. I'd almost rather have Jim Mora Jr. because he is young enough to be here for awhile, if he and the Browns are successful. There's no guarentee that even Marty coud or would turn this team around. Though I'm sure he would do a better job than the Coaches that have been here since 99 to 07.
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Unlike most on here.. I don't think it would have made a hill of beans different and won't in the future. Yes RAC made some mistakes (maybe). But they were small in comparison to the OL, the drops, the lousy tackling, the lousy pass rush, etc, etc. You think Marty, or Cower or (insert name here) would have WON more games for us ? When those coaches had poor players they had POOR records. I'll take a decent coach and GREAT players over a GREAT coach and poor players anytime.
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i think what ammo is getting at is a seemless transition....
a guy like marty could step right in, as he would probably be comfortable with chud running an offense he is familar with, and with the 3-4 d....
he might not have picked gratham, but its a d that is, in priciple, similar to what he ran...
the whole problem is really pointless though imo, because rac wasen't losing games because of his gameplan....
he was losing games because his talent on the field limited his gameplaning...
if we can get a decent dline, and stop the run alittle, then i think we can start to attack on defense more...
with the offense being totally revamped again, its anyones guess as to what will happen....
maybe he stuck with mo too long, and maybe if mo had better talent his system would have worked....who the heck knows....
bottom line is if we aren't winning its probably not as much coaching, as it is holes in our talent...
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I dont think we will be seeing any midseason replacements period. For one I dont think we (Browns Front Office) really want that kind of embarassment again so soon after Davis.
Secondly I dont think Romeo has the kind of ego that would push the issue and force the teams hand.
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Just clicking here,,, But why would anyone want marty back
Look, I think back fondly of the late 80's and frankly, Marty had a heck of a team back then..He did a terrific job and no doubt, he's one of the all time greats at coaching the regular season... Can't deny the mans record..
But don't we want to win it all? I mean, I do! Marty, for all the great things he's done, hasn't been able to get it done completely..
One could say that maybe he's due.. Maybe he's gonna get it done this time.. I suppose there is something to that thinking..
I just don't know. Did you ever hear the old saying, "you can't go back again"
I look at great coaches that have returned to the team they coached to great successes.. Ted Marchabroda (sp) with the Ravens and oddly enough, with the Colts in Indy before that (he coached the colts in Baltimore in the 70's) and of course Washington DC with Joe Gibbs..
Gibbs may still pull it off, but he doesn't have Casserly or Bethard as his GM and Jack Kent Cooke isn't the owner anymore and of course, there's Free Agency now.. That wasn't the case when he was winning superbowls with the Skins.
Marchabroda had little or no success with the Ravens in baltimore and even less with teh Colts in Indy..
History says that it's tough to bring a winning coach back to the scene of his greatest success. Perhaps the expectations are just too high for anyone to succeed under that microscope,,
Too bad really, I would love to have Marty back here, but I just don't think it would work... JMO however,,
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Seems to me like one of those feel good stories the media loves so much. Marty return to the Browns and finally wins a Super Bowl. Sounds good to me! Maybe we should give it a Shott enheimer.
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I would like to address this since I would love to have Marty back. Quote:
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So do I, but I think of Martys proven track record of turning losing teams into winning teams. Has anyone ever had even close to his achievments in that department. I would want that kind of coach no matter where he used to coach.
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Im having a case of lowered expectations personally. Lets at least start achieving small goals, then we will get to working on the big one. Give me a few winning seasons in a row, until then. PLAYOFFS, PLAYOFFS,, I just hope we can win a game.
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I think his greatest success was with San Diego. 20 years later and the man is still leaving winning teams behind. He is still doing it in the modern era. Wich is tougher IMO.
You might have a point about expectations, but maybe he could meet them, maybe not. Worst case I see is that we have one of the most solid coaches there is for a few years,and then move on if its not working.
I will be even happier if Romeo turns this team around and we start the winning tradition with him at the helm, but if we needed a coach, I dont see how you could go wrong with a proven guy like Marty.
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I still say Marty would be best in a FO position...either GM or President...etc.
His forte was building, organization, and preparation. Gameday was never his best attribute...while still a decent to good one...it wasn't what he was best at. I would LOVE for Marty to come back to Cleveland...but not as the leader on the sidelines....I think his strengths would best be used in the FO. And you know we do have that Presidents position open...Although they did bring in that new guy...however they didn't give him the title of Prez.
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Petey how do you know his strengths are front office type roles,,,, he's only had a taste of that in DC and only for a year,,, not that he did badly, but there is a wealth of evidence that he's a much better coach than a FO guy,,,,
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well part of his problem in DC was that he was trying to be GM and coach...and he also had an owner that continually butted in....
You look at the teams he coached and it is very obvious that his strength was not on game day. It was all the time before and all the time building. He instills the qualities you want from a team. And the approach he takes to do these things lends itself quite a bit to FO positions...
JMO I think he would make a fantastic FO guy...
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If a HC has to do his best work on Gameday that simply means the other elements of his coaching abilities are severely lacking.
The O Coordinator and D Coordinator do most of the Gameday play calling and if the HC doesn't have the plans set Saturday before the game he is for crap anyway.
I'd take Marty S's record of reviving losing teams and taking them to the brink over a nice guy coach who can't seem to catch a break.
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You forgot who we are talking about....Marty Schottenhiemer.....Remember, one of the reasons Modell kicked him to the curb was that he refused to hire an OC...because when Infante left, Marty decided to where the OC hat as well(even tho he was a Defensive specialist)...Marty is a control freak...and he has ALOT of input to the play calling on gameday...He also falls in love with that prevent defense that does nothing but prevent you from winning. Look I am not saying he was a bad coach...on the contrary I think he is a GREAT coach and possibly deserving of a Hall of Fame Induction.....But I think he would be an even better FO guy....
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