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And again Genie wanted Koke because he could call the shots. How did that work out? As soon as Koke butted heads with him, he was a non-factor after that. No, Genie did far more harm here than good, IMHO.
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Speaking of singings......Weeden and Richardson still aren't signed. With the rookie salary scale...whay is this taking so long?
Nobody really wants to play for the Browns, despite what they say on draft day or what you read in the newspapers.
There is a culture of losing in this town. There has been for most of the last dozen years and there isn't anything that's going to change it except actually winning the games.
I fully expect that Richardson and Weeden will probably be holding out into camp. Why? What are the Browns going to do, go into the season without either one or both of their first round selections signed? What do you expect their agents to do? They'll pry every last penny from the Browns that they want to get and the Browns will pay it.
Or...you know...they are doing what most players in their positions do, which is wait for the slotted players in front of them to sign so they know which way the wind is blowing.
Obviously nobody wants to play for the Colts since Luck isn't signed...What are the Colts going to do? Go into camp with...ummm...whomever at qb...
I'm not buying that argument, not for an instant. Do I believe most players want to come to Cleveland? Hell no. It's a rust-belt town going the wrong way like most rust-belt towns. However, that doesn't play a role in the contract negotiations. Not a bit. Quote:
The big news for the Cleveland Browns this week was the team's acquisition of WR prospect Josh Gordon with a second-round pick in the supplemental draft on Thursday. (Here's our post on what to expect out of Gordon as a rookie). But another pair of rookies figure to have big roles for the club in 2012 -- first-rounders Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden -- and neither of them are yet under contract.
Not to worry, though; Browns GM Tom Heckert acknowledged this week that he hasn't spoken with the agents for either player for a while, but expects to have both under contract in time for training camp, according to the Akron Beacon Journal. The Browns rookies are slated to report on July 24, with the veterans joining them on July 26.
Richardson (the No. 3 overall pick) is reportedly waiting to see the deals for the two men drafted ahead of him, while some observers believe the holdup on Weeden's deal is a fully guaranteed fourth season.
Here's our NFL Insider Adam Schefter on Gordon:
- Tim Kavanagh
-ESPN
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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When Gini arrived we were in cap hell and we had 4 picks in the upcoming draft.
By the time Heckert arrived a year later the cap issue had been put to bed we had 12 picks heading into the draft, and the locker room was fixed. In other words he fixed everything needing to be fixed but the talent issue.
This left Heckert with a treasure trove of picks and cap space to boot. It was a much better set of circumstances then the ones faced by Mangini when he arrived. The me 1st guys were purged from the roster we were in a position to begin to move forward.
So yeah he did far better then given credit yes the draft was GOD awful, but there were other areas of the organization that were in trouble as well. The locker room me 1st attitude was replaced by team 1st guys. Maybe and most certainly not the most talented group but they were in the beginning stages of being a football team.
A hard nosed rockem sockem football team, AFCN tough and meaner then junk yard dawgs. The talent was lacking but it was lacking when he got here. He did find Moore and he also found Bennard so it wasn’t all groom and doom on the talent front like many paint it to be.
And yes Mangini was the guy that set the table for Heckert to come here and start the process of turning this from a veteran football team to a younger team. But it’s important to remember that it was just the beginning and it was a long long way from a finished product but yeah Mangini had a big hand in putting young talent on the team even if most of you are so blinded by your dislike for the guy you can’t see the good he did against a pretty bad set of circumstances..
Gotta be honest with ya and myself.. That's some of the good Mangini did here if your honest and understand where we were at that time it will hit you Mangini did OK under some pretty dire circumstances.
But this isn’t about Mangini NOW it’s about Shurmur and I think Shurmur is a horrible coach…
JMHO
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And again Genie wanted Koke because he could call the shots. How did that work out? As soon as Koke butted heads with him, he was a non-factor after that. No, Genie did far more harm here than good, IMHO.
I would remind you that Jr hired Koke after Koke recieved a ringing endorsement from Accoursi whom Jr. had gone to for recommendations for the GM position. Instead of talking out your you know what why not get your facts straight 1st OK...
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