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I would give Andy and 2 firsts, and probably even a couple of 2nds. I wouldn't give Thompson though .... not yet.
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I would do that trade in a heartbeat. I know Bynum has his injury issues, but the opportunity is too good.
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Evidently, according to the Plain Dealer ... it's not happening. I fully expect to hear countless rumors, most involving the Cavaliers, until Howard is finally traded ..... mainly because we have the cap room and assets to be in on such a trade. Andrew Bynum to Cavaliers trade rumor fizzles as Dwight Howard watch drags on | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2012/07/andrew_bynum_to_cavaliers_trad.htmlCleveland -- The Andrew Bynum trade to the Cavaliers rumor that got you all excited (or scared) last night looks to be fizzling before it even went mainstream. "High-ranking officials from several teams involved in Dwight Howard chase say all recent talks now dead. 'Cavs walked away again,' says one," Fox Sports Ohio's Sam Amico Tweeted this morning. Jason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon Journal also wrote, "Nothing to these trade rumors involving #Cavs, Lakers and Magic, league source confirms. No merit to them at all." Probasketballdraft reported, "A source with knowledge tells me proposed Magic-Lakers-Cavs trade has no legs. Teams have too many obstacles to overcome to pull it off now." If you're joining the party late, Alex Kennedy of Hoops World sent Cleveland sports fans' Twitter feeds ablaze Saturday afternoon by reporting, "The Los Angeles Lakers, Orlando Magic and Cleveland Cavaliers have discussed a three-team deal that would send disgruntled superstar Dwight Howard to Los Angeles, according to sources close to the situation. The three teams have discussed a number of scenarios. While no trade is imminent, the talks are ongoing. One scenario would send Howard to Los Angeles, Andrew Bynum to Cleveland and a package of picks and prospects to Orlando, according to sources." Tommy Dee of TheKnicksBlog.com 'confirmed' that by Tweeting, "Ok so here we go. Source tells me #Magic back in the 3 way game. #Cavs back in along with, yes, the #Lakers." However, The Plain Dealer's Mary Schmitt Boyer responded, "No FACTS to support rumors. #Cavs don't want Bynum for 1 year, do want picks. No indication of [Bynum signing an extension with the Cavs.] He and agent reportedly fishing in Alaska." Still, the initial report inevitably led to "Crazy rumors circulating that #Cavs are embroiled in trade talks with Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers. Cavs would receive center Andrew Bynum from the Lakers. Cavs would possibly send Anderson Varejao, Tristan Thompson and picks to the Magic," as Bob Finan of the News-Herald wrote. While Varejao fans here can breath a sigh a relief on this one, there's still the matter of the Cavaliers' reported interest in Luis Scola. ESPN's Marc Stein writes, "Hearing Cavs quietly made it known during Draft they'd listen to Varejao trade pitches. Gotta wonder: Would Scola make it easier to deal AV?" As always, stay tuned.
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I would give Andy and 2 firsts, and probably even a couple of 2nds. I wouldn't give Thompson though .... not yet.
I think Thompson has amazing potential, but that's why he's valuable in a deal right now. He could/should average 14/11 in around 30 minutes of play time this year (if he makes a mini-leap). He could eventually become a consistent 18/12 guy. That's very valuable.
But, Bynum is a dominant center who can score against anybody. If he was onboard to re-sign, then that's a trade you make and never think about again. The problem is that it's unlikely he'd make that promise and the Cavs are not in a situation they can mortgage their rebuilding (and future with Irving) for that huge of a risk.
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I fully expect things to have a few rumors but not really pick-up until the 30th day after the June draft (that is the day when all the recently drafted/signed picks can be traded - or it might be 30days after they officially signed with the team, I'm a little hazy if the new CBA fixed this previous issue or not)
Anyways, the Rockets are armed with 3 draft picks from the 2012 draft, so they are biding their time and hoping that noone gives a good enough offer by then (basically end of July). They have much more attractive assets if the Magic can wait it out.
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I would give Andy and 2 firsts, and probably even a couple of 2nds. I wouldn't give Thompson though .... not yet.
I think Thompson has amazing potential, but that's why he's valuable in a deal right now. He could/should average 14/11 in around 30 minutes of play time this year (if he makes a mini-leap). He could eventually become a consistent 18/12 guy. That's very valuable.
But, Bynum is a dominant center who can score against anybody. If he was onboard to re-sign, then that's a trade you make and never think about again. The problem is that it's unlikely he'd make that promise and the Cavs are not in a situation they can mortgage their rebuilding (and future with Irving) for that huge of a risk.
You are spot on! Thompson has soooo much upside its unreal, hes pretty athlethic, but he's got a weird jump shot that I'm afraid will never be great.
Bynum is a DOMINANT center, he'll get more touches in cleveland and kyrie passes are money down low. (Varejo can't catch otherwise he'd have 25 ppg with kyries passes)
Anybody watch Waiters last night? I did and man did he look like average basketball player, i mean hes athletic, but I dunno if he can finish like he did in college.
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It was Waiters' first NBA action. Not gonna read too much into it. I recall people doubting Kyrie when he scored 6 points in his NBA debut.
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I'm in the corner of, as long as Bynum signs an extension, I also give up Andy and some 1st's. I don't trade Thompson but I might give up Zeller. When I watch Thompson play he reminds me of a young Larry Nance.
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did Waiters have to pull PG duty with Irving out?
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I only watched bits and pieces. I believe Donald Sloan started at PG but it looked like D-Waiters did a decent amount of ball handling.
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Waiters did not play like he did in college. He is an aggressive slasher. Last night he was shooting J's.
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That's why I was sort of adament about not including Zeller in any trades, even for Bynum... when it was brought up. Zeller is a solid player, a smart player, a hustle player... I watched a lot of UNC basketball last year and whenever Barnes would disappear, it was usually Zeller that kept his team going.
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Clippers are going to get Grant Hill. They're are a major threat in the West now.
Paul, Griffin, Odom, Jordan, Billups, Bledsoe, Butler, Crawford, and Hill is a pretty good team.
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I don't think I'd upgrade the Clips any higher than there they were yesterday before adding Grant Hill. Isn't he like 45? 
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He will be 39 when the season starts. But he is still a solid rotation player. He averaged 10 points last year for the Suns. More importantly, he is a great locker room guy. Him and Billups should be able to keep Odom on the right path.
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I didn't realize it was 1999.
and, he is going from the PHX medical training staff that miraculously keeps players who were injury-prone healthy to the LAC medical training staff that miraculously makes players injury-prone.
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Looks like the Bynum to Cavs/Howard/Varejo-swap around talks are back on: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/817696...ght-howard-dealDonno how I feel about this yet. Andy is one of my favorite Cavs. Bynum is a bit of an injury prone headcase. YET, if he can get it together, he is one of the most dominant centers in the league ... plus he's only 24. If you could put Andy's effort on Bynum's body, you'd have yourself an all-time great Center. Would Orlando go for this trade? I suppose they would ... they'd get draft picks and Andy as opposed to NOTHING if they let Howard walk. We have a bit of trade leverage, since we're the only team with a ton of cap-space, the Lakers are desperate for Howard, and Orlando is desperate to get SOMETHING in return.
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I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Varejo isn't a center, and is injury prone as anyone. Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league, and as you've said is only 24. Him and Irving would make us instant playoff contenders in the east.
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I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Varejo isn't a center, and is injury prone as anyone. Bynum is the 2nd best center in the league, and as you've said is only 24. Him and Irving would make us instant playoff contenders in the east.
On abilty, I agree completely. Him and Irving could run pick-and-roll all day long, and could be the next Malone/Stockton combo. I'm just not sure Bynum is very mature mentally. I'd hate to do the trade, and see Bynum pout and give little effort for whatever reason. I'd really like to see the trade go through though, because our potential would go through the roof ... I'm just hoping Byron and Co. can get the guy grounded.
We'd also have to worry about Bynum signing an extention ... Because he could very well pull a one and done on us if he doesn't.
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I would guess this thing doesn't get done unless Howard and Bynum both agree to sign an extenstion.
I know there was a report the Lakers would do it even without the extension, but there is no way the Cavs would. Why would they? They are in a position of strength. They don't have a clock ticking like Orlando, or the pressure to win immediately like the Lakers do with Kobe's window closing on them. The Cavs could simply walk away and still be right on schedule with their rebuild. It's a nice position to be in and it's the reason why we are hearing that they are being incredibly difficult. Chris Grant ain't no fool.
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Man ... Bynum and Zeller would make a tremendous 1-2 at Center. 
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This seems like the best deal out of all the ones that have been discussed. Lakers get Howard, the guy they want. Cavs get a big guy to pair with Irving. Magic probably get rid of a bad contract and get a bunch of picks, while being crappy and rebuilding their team through the draft.
If Bynum or Howard went to the Rockets it just seems like that team will only be a four or five seed at best.
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I would guess this thing doesn't get done unless Howard and Bynum both agree to sign an extenstion.
I know there was a report the Lakers would do it even without the extension, but there is no way the Cavs would. Why would they? They are in a position of strength. They don't have a clock ticking like Orlando, or the pressure to win immediately like the Lakers do with Kobe's window closing on them. The Cavs could simply walk away and still be right on schedule with their rebuild. It's a nice position to be in and it's the reason why we are hearing that they are being incredibly difficult. Chris Grant ain't no fool.
Agreed, and Bynum has said that Cleveland is on his short list, so that part should get done. I can't imagine Howard not signing a deal with the Lakters, so that is unlikely an issue as well.
Have read that the Lakers might need to include Pao Gasol somehow to make this work. Not sure who'd get him, but Gasol & Bynum with Zeller and Thompson sounds killer to me for a year. And Gasol may be an expiring contract which is even better.
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so the lakers would get howard straight up for bynum?
who cares what the Lakers get if we get Bynum (+ signing an extension)
LA teams are becoming my favorite trade partners (Baron Davis/Irving, Tyler Zeller ammo, 1st round swap next year, possibly Bynum?)
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If Bynum or Howard went to the Rockets it just seems like that team will only be a four or five seed at best.
but that is our main mitigating factor in these talks. if Houston is willing to take Bynum w/o a guarantee of an extension, then this deal could easily fall to them (though Orlando wouldn't end up with quite as nice of a position).
love that Grant horded all these assets to use in a trade like this.
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It just seems like the going rate for a good player nowadays is 3 first round picks... Seems like Andy + three firsts is a hefty price to pay. I don't know... it just seems to me like Bynum has always been overrated because he plays in LA.
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Back to an older topic ... there were all those videos of Kyrie slicing up the US Olympic team. Apparently, it wasn't just a cosmetic showing: http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/07/10/team-usa-camp-kyrie-irving/In one scrimmage, his "select" team BEAT team USA 14-11 ... and Kyrie scored 11 of those 14!! 
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Bynum's role would be expanded than in La. He was always the 3rd or 4th option in La. In Cleveland he definitely would be the 2nd. This guy could easily get 20 and 10 a night. Plus he's a center, which are very hard to find. If we get him we have the 2 most important positions to fill on a basketball team.
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It just seems like the going rate for a good player nowadays is 3 first round picks... Seems like Andy + three firsts is a hefty price to pay. I don't know... it just seems to me like Bynum has always been overrated because he plays in LA.
Depends on which picks they are. If they are one of the Heat's first round picks, the Laker's first round pick, and the Cavs first round pick ... you're talking about three picks in the 20's. No big loss.
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Bynum's role would be expanded than in La. He was always the 3rd or 4th option in La. In Cleveland he definitely would be the 2nd. This guy could easily get 20 and 10 a night. Plus he's a center, which are very hard to find. If we get him we have the 2 most important positions to fill on a basketball team.
Agreed ...
and as much as I love Andy he's still:
1) On the wrong side of 30
2) A player who's key attribute is "energy" and is only getting older
3) A bit of an offensive liability, paired with another offensive liability in TT.
4) Not a true Center like Bynum.
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It just seems like the going rate for a good player nowadays is 3 first round picks... Seems like Andy + three firsts is a hefty price to pay. I don't know... it just seems to me like Bynum has always been overrated because he plays in LA.
well, yeah, perhaps. but, other than Dwight, name a center in the NBA better than Bynum? Horford (but he's much smaller)? Al Jefferson (not nearly as athletic though)?
plus, we have a ton of 1st round picks in the future. We can only give-up every other year of our own pick, which makes the picks we own from other teams even more valuable.
we could offer the Magic the Kings 1st round package, the Heat/Lakers better pick in '13, and our own pick in 2013.
they could potentially receive all the 1st round picks next year!
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Better pick between Lakers and Heat (Heat top10 protected)
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also, one trade that makes sense (and works)
Cavs - Bynum, Richardson, Glen Davis
Lakers - Dwight
Magic - Andy, Gibson (who they cut - contract only has $1mil guaranteed)
Cavs '13pick, Laker/Heat '13 pick, Kings combo pick
If the Magic want to further get rid of salary, then they could force the Lakers to give up McRoberts (1yr left) for Richardson (2yrs left and a useless player at this point) or Duhon (ditto).
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I can't see why this won't get done. Howard has nowhere else to go but Los Angeles. Brooklyn fell out the running, he doesn't want to go to Houston. On top of it the Cavs could pay Bynum, who already has claimed he would sign an extension with. What other teams could get in the mix?
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I can't see why this won't get done. Howard has nowhere else to go but Los Angeles. Brooklyn fell out the running, he doesn't want to go to Houston. On top of it the Cavs could pay Bynum, who already has claimed he would sign an extension with. What other teams could get in the mix?
he listed Houston and Cleveland as potential destinations and Houston said they were willing to deal for Bynum and get him to sign an extension later.
Brooklyn signed Kris Humphries for $12mil specifically because it makes it the perfect number for them to do a trade with Orlando to get Dwight but they can't make it for 6 months.
So, 3 possible teams that could end up with Dwight and 2 that could end up with Bynum
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I guess if he's really that good I'd be willing to swap:
Andy
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MIA/LAL 1st round 2013
A 2nd round pick 2013
A 2nd round pick 2014
The sad thing is, even that is more than we got in the sign-and-trade for LBJ. Of course, Lebron was a free agent and we didn't have to get anything for him.
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