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Let's say in the trade we take on Turk, Baby and Richardson. Would that really be bad if we keep Waiters or Zeller? We would not have a reason to tank anymore. We'd have our young big 3 nucleus of Bynum, Kyrie and Dion / Zeller. At that point we just let the young pups grow.
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Again I go back to the Lebron deal where the Cavaliers got 2 firsts and 2 seconds.
I would be realy hard pressed to give up a lot more than that for Bynum. He's a good player at a premium position, but he's not Lebron.
Taking on a bad contract should be worth a 1st round pick. So taking on 3 bad contracts should, alone, be worth 3 first round picks.
The proposed deal, as I understand the most prevalent rumor, is that the Cavaliers give up Varejao and 2 first round picks (or maybe 3, plus some second rounders) for Bynum. That would already be more than we got for Lebron, as I believe that Varejao is wirth far more than a pair of 2nd round picks.
Then taking back 3 bad deals on top of that? That would almost be like giving up 5 first rounders.
To me, that's way too much.
I would send Varejao plus a pair of first round picks ...... and maybe even add a second rounder to the mix. I would take on a bad contract, if it deducted a pick from what we would have to add to the pile. However, there are 2 real assets that an NBA team has ...... picks and cap room ..... and I would not blow it all on a single deal.
Besides, if we wait till next year we can keep all of our assets and sign Bynum as a free agent, or as a sign and trade anyway. That seems like it would be a cheaper route to go.
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You can't compare this trade to the LeBron sign and trade. LeBron was leaving no matter what, he just wanted that extra year on his contract. Quote:
and maybe even add a second rounder to the mix.
Why would you be reluctant to throw in a second round pick at all? Second round picks in the NBA are pretty much useless.
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I just don't want to throw away assets.
2nd rounders helped us move up to get Zeller in this draft. If we only have a lower first rounder and 1 second to trade, maybe that trade happens, and maybe it doesn't. We used those second rounders to great advantage. They may be "worthless", but they had worth to our trade partner.
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Ytown ... First you can't even compare the Lebron trade, because it wasn't even a trade. It was more a formal courtesy by Miami so that they could give him the larger max contract that incumbant team could give a player according to the CBA. Lebron was leaving no matter what, and we were lucky to even get 2 firsts ... (which probabaly didn't even phase Miami because they felt the picks would be at the very back end of the first anyway).
And getting Bynum before he becomes a free agent is critical because it gives us far more leverage in free agency. For one, he can sign an extention immediately and give us a peice of mind. (I've read ... donno if it's true ... that he might want to wait an extra year because escalators will kick in which would allow him to sign a bigger contract). If he doesn't, being his "current team" we can offer him more money and more years than anyone else in free agency, which makes us a much more attractive place to sign. If he stays with the Lakers and enters the FA process, then we can only offer him as much as any other team, and we're down to using pitches of warm Lake Erie beaches as selling points.
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That's all true, yet I still disagree with giving up all of our assets for a single player. Those extra 1st and 2nd round picks could be packaged into a higher 1st round pick as happened in this year's draft. Cap space can be used to take on a player while receiving an extra draft pick, as happened with Davis. We have a ton of assets, and we should use them ...... but i don't want to throw them all into a single deal. With Bynum we could have a "trio". That would be tremendous ...... but if we can get him while keeping our own pick next year, plus one of the others, would maybe allow us to make another move up in next year's draft. Maybe we could then wind up with a "quatro". 
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I don't get why you aren't putting TT in your scenarios of various team cores.
TT is a stud and will be a 15 and 10 guy at PF for years to come. Having Bynum at C with him would make him even more effective.
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I have said that I don't want to trade any of the 4 guys we have drafted over the past 2 years.
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I don't understand why LA thinks Howard is THAT MUCH of an upgrade over Bynum...
Both are immature.
One of them just had back surgery.
They have the one that didn't.
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I don't understand why LA thinks Howard is THAT MUCH of an upgrade over Bynum...
Both are immature.
One of them just had back surgery.
They have the one that didn't.
I see where you're getting. Dwight is a beast down low, unstoppable. Bynum, when healthy, is a technician. I'd rather have Dwight but if the consolation prize is Bynum, I could think of a lot worse situations you could have.
I think this is probably more of a name brand thing though.
If they make it work, Nash/Kobe/Dwight is as good as it gets, for the time being. Maybe not 5 years from now but for the current year.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on...e-Dwight-HowardMagic aim to trade Dwight in early-August. This lines up perfectly with being able to trade for recent draft picks, so they likely have their eye on a few of those guys (perhaps Zeller as a replacement from us or maybe they liked what they saw from Royce White, etc. in Houston's summerleague)
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Here is a timeline on Dwight
•"I want to be traded to the Nets." (in December 2011)
•"I opt in to stay with the Magic because I believe we're building something special." (in the spring 2012)
•"I've never asked for Stan Van Gundy to be fired. We worked out our differences." (late spring 2012)
Van Gundy fired early summer 2012.
•"I want to be traded." (Beginning of summer 2012)
•"I'm only willing to commit to a long-term deal if I'm traded to the Nets." (this summer).
•"I'm only willing to commit to a long-term deal if I'm traded to the Nets or Lakers." (this summer).
•"I plan on going to the Mavericks in free agency in 2013 if I don't like the team I'm traded to." (this summer).
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thatd be hilarious...or milwaukee or minnesota...
What I see happening is him going to the Nets around the trade deadline. Orlando will panic realizing theyll get NOTHING for him if they dont make a move and they dont want to deal with what happened last time they let a big guy go for nothing (Shaq) and will make a move. The nets actually packaged a pretty good deal, but it doesnt get Orlando out of their BAD contracts they signed everyone to and thats why it went away...but come January/February next season theyll get more leniant.
Dwight has made this a complete 3 ring circus...50x worse than lebron
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You know, I didn't think anyone would make the same mistake as Lebron (screwing up a leave/stay with the team that drafted you). But Dwight has proved me wrong. Not only has he made same the same mistakes as Lebron, he's also made more of his own on top of that.
As KingSteve says, it's near 50X worse that "The Decision" at this point (and we're not even close to the end yet).
I still appluad Bosh for how he handled his departure. He made no promises, he hinted he was leaving and then left. Nobody was shocked, nobody was mad and he got his way. According to Wilbon, we were racist pigs for getting mad at Lebron for leaving because we wanted to control the black basketball player. But Bosh did it right, nobody was mad at him and Wilbon didn't accuse the same in that situation.
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I think Wilbon went a little over the top.
idk about wanting to control the athlete, but its about wanting the person who youve idolized, who youve supported continuously and unfailingly to not leave. When one side gives its everything to someone who merely teases them with the notion of staying and then fleeing for greener pastures...it hurts, and when allowing a company to make a spectacle of it and then just showing selfishness and arrogance in the process is what made everyone in Cleveland and most others upset. It wasnt about control...it was about wanting the best to stay and make happen what everyone thinks can happen close to home cuz the story would be so great. The story as its played out has become mediocre.
Dwight has just made a mockery of this whole thing. He's held the Magic hostage, and im glad theyre not giving in for a light sum...but they are going to have to at some point realize where their deals and what theyre going to get in return are going to diminish and they may have missed their best deal with Lopez and the other several players...or what Houston was offering...i think that was the peak of what theyd get and they may have screwed themselves in the process.
What I dont get...is Orlando has all these bad contracts...why havent they amnestied ANYONE...theyve been given a free pass to get out from under 1 bad contract and they arent.
Both groups are screwing themselves here, though I applaud Orlando for not taking next to nothing...but if they keep it up theyll end up with nothing....
But Howard has just made this an awful process. I was very tired of the LeBron free agency when it happened...but i am beyond done with Dwight...i want him to go to an overseas league so i never have to see his face. Go to LA so i can continue to dislike you. Go away so i dont have to hear about you...something. Just stop this.
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You applaud a guy for sitting out voluntarily after being cleared to play, while his team was in the playoff hunt, and then tweeting "What team should I play for next?".
I mean, it's not a Lebron, a Melo or a Dwight, but he didn't exactly leave gracefully.
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You applaud a guy for sitting out voluntarily after being cleared to play, while his team was in the playoff hunt, and then tweeting "What team should I play for next?".
I mean, it's not a Lebron, a Melo or a Dwight, but he didn't exactly leave gracefully.
It was just a small tweet that he let out, but you just can't do that, not while you're still under contract. I don't care if it's New York, or LA, or somewhere where basketball is secondary like Toronto.
I agree about Dwight. He's coming off as maybe the worst diva in the history of American sports.
Good luck to whoever ends up with him. It won't be us, and that's probably for the better. He's a great talent, but he brings a lot of baggage.
The only reason I care about where he lands is the small chance we get involved and land Bynum or some other player that could help.
and lol @ Wilbon, yeah, he's become a joke. I don't why he's brought on for NBA pregame/halftime/postgame stuff. He's not the host, and the other guys have all played actual NBA basketball.
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What I dont get...is Orlando has all these bad contracts...why havent they amnestied ANYONE...theyve been given a free pass to get out from under 1 bad contract and they arent.
I can help here. "Bad Contracts" depend on the state of your team. Glen Davis (and even Jason Richardson) have contracts that are high but okay if they are apart of a good, contending team.
If you have a rebuilding team, then having high-priced veterans hurt you in the lotto (getting a few extra needless wins from guys who will be gone anyway), they hurt you in the FA market (if you want to try to grab someone to be apart of your corps, you can't because you are at the cap), and they hurt you in the trade market (again, cap restrictions).
Finally, they could conceivable amnesty Turk, Davis, or Richardson. When they trade Dwight, they will likely be able to unload 2 of the 3. But, which 2 will depend on who they trade with as they need to matchup salaries (or they might not get to trade the 2 they really want to). They retain more current flexibility by waiting until they know and amnestying that player next summer (only can do it the first week of FA).
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You applaud a guy for sitting out voluntarily after being cleared to play, while his team was in the playoff hunt, and then tweeting "What team should I play for next?".
I mean, it's not a Lebron, a Melo or a Dwight, but he didn't exactly leave gracefully.
I guess I should have clarified...I appluaded him relative to the others. He seemed like he handled it a lot better by comparison.
I sort of remember him not coming back ASAP when his team was fighting for the 8th seed but I wasn't upset about it then and I'm not now either. They would have gotten blown out by the Cavs in the first round and on a personal level, I could see how he didn't want to play right away so soon after an injury with his free agency coming up.
I know I'd be cautious if I had a $100 million payday coming in a few weeks. Ensure I get the contract or risk it all for an 8th seed with a team I'm leaving regardless.....meh.
And to clarify one more thing, I like Wilbon. I just think he goes to the race card a bit too often. I understand why he might, he grew up in a time where it was more of an issue and it was real. So that might be burned into his programming. I get it.
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Yeah, but to bring the race card when dealing with millionaires and billionaries is laughable.
I'm over the whole thing, but I don't understand why people have it out for Dan Gilbert so much, Lebron and his people didn't let him know until a minute before that fiasco started. That's horrible and unprofessional.
It's just funny these people who aren't even heat fans or cleveland fans, just NBA fans think Dan Gilbert is the worst person in the world.
Then they jumped all over him when LBJ got his ring as if any of us Clevelanders actually took his "guarantee" seriously.
We all said in this very forum that night that he didn't mean that, he was just saying what needed to be said. We all knew Lebron was probably going to get his before we got ours.
Anyone who bought into that, which seem to be all his detractors, are morons.
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Cleveland Cavaliers 2012-13 schedule released; open Oct. 30 at home vs. Washington Wizards | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2012/07/cleveland_cavaliers_2012-13_sc.htmlCLEVELAND, Ohio - The Cavs will open the 2012-13 season at home Oct. 30 against the Washington Wizards. After another home game against the Chicago Bulls on Nov. 2, the Cavs will play six straight games on the road, ending with a game at the new home of the Brooklyn Nets on Nov. 13. The NBA released the Cavs' schedule -- along with all the other teams -- Thursday night. The Cavs will play one game on ESPN -- at home against the Bulls on Dec. 5 -- and will have three games nationally televised on NBA TV: Nov. 18 at Philadelphia, Nov. 26 at Memphis and Feb. 23 at Orlando. LeBron James and the NBA champion Miami Heat will visit The Q on March 20 and April 15, while former Cavs coach Mike Brown and the Los Angeles Lakers will make their only appearance in Cleveland on Dec. 11. All the Cavs games except the Dec. 5 game on ESPN will be broadcast in high definition on Fox Sports Ohio and aired on the Cavaliers Radio Network and flagship station WTAM AM/1100. Scores and Schedules | NBA.com http://www.nba.com/gameline/cavaliers/
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honestly, only 3 teams can even think of playing with these guys. Spain (who is likely too slow), Argentina (because their crazy system plays perfectly in international play and have good players), and Brazil (but probably not enough offense).
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Would never happen. I've never seen a worse team to try to use in the Trade Machine than the current Orlando Magic. Holy crap this makes sense!Cle: Gets a young scoring SF Indiana: Swaps Granger for Gay, to some that's an upgrade. Memphis: The "loser" in this trade, gets cap room, and probably draft picks, and was better without Gay two years ago... The best part is, we'd still have the cap room to do the Bynum trade... How does... Kyrie/Pargo Waiters/Gee Granger/Azubuike TT/Samuels Bynum/Zeller ..sound to everyone? Ok I'll stop sorry... 
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Uhh ... no it doesn't.
No way does Indiana make a lateral move for Gay and take on $3 million more in cap space, when they don't have any issues with Granger. No way does Memphis move Gay for three expiring contracts.
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Memphis would likely be getting Draft picks and whatnot, and they've been trying to unload Gay for a couple years now. They're still a playoff team without him, adding some cap space and draft picks to that isn't a good thing?
And Granger to Gay is NOT a lateral move. Granger can score, but he doesn't have the "scorers attitude" that Gay has...
I ORIGINALLY had Cle getting Gay, Granger going to Memphis (1 year less) and Indiana getting the cap relief picks (they can move George to SF)
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I think Rudy Gay gives Indiana more athletcism and defense than Granger. The only think Granger does better is shoot.
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Gay wouldn't even go to the hoop when he was guarded by Randy Foye/Nick Young in the playoffs. That's a scoring attitude? He should have averaged 30 points a game in that series, but only got 19.
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he played damn well...He could easily be depth somewhere.
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I've been rooting against them the entire time. lol
I haven't been following it either though, don't really care about the olympics in general. I might catch it if Andy and The Brazilians play them. (if they're even still alive)
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