|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 560
All Pro
|
OP
All Pro
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 560 |
I know the schedule seems tough but I think our division is overrated. I think the Browns are much improved over last year and are ready to compete for a division title. They might not win the division and I won't say the P word, but I think they will be competitive. I think across the board our team is better compared to last year. I want to know which positions you think we did not improve upon from last year.
COACHING-
Improved. I know a lot of people don't like Shurmur but he was a rookie with no offseason. I don't think any coach had to deal with as much crap as him. New coaching additions will also help him. I'm not saying he is great, but he will be improved.
OFFENSE
QB - Improved. He's old and he's a rookie but he's an improvement.
RB - Improved. Peyton Hillis went from work horse to horse's ass in one year. This position is greatly improved and has good depth.
WR's Improved. Last year we had Massaquoi injured and Robiskie starting. Little was a rookie. This position needs further upgrades but it is better than last year. Healthy and another year wiser to the scheme our WRs are upgrades over last year.
OL Improved. Right tackle was a joke. The guards were young and improved as the season went on. There is no reason to think they will take a step back. Schwartz is a rookie but is a big upgrade. The line went from bad to good IMO.
FB Improved. You could argue the Browns took a step back getting rid of Vickers for Marecic but we're not talking about the 2010 Browns. FB got better with a more experienced Marecic and Smelley might be an upgrade as well.
TE Maybe not improved, but not much worse if any. I don't think Ben Watson has much left in the tank and he is vital to this position. Alex Smith won't be asked to carry the ball near the goal line next year due to improved coaching. Cameron and Evan Moore might be upgrades over last season due to better play calling.
DEFENSE
DT Not improved. Hopefully Taylor returns before the year is over to provide a big boost to the defense as the year wears on. Hopefully the rookies aren't as much of a drop off as expected and will provide good depth when Taylor returns.
DE Improved. Sheard didn't start the year well as he was out of position. He now comes into training camp at left end from the start. Frostee is an upgrade. This position needs further upgrades but is better now than last year.
LB Not improved but not much worse. D'Qwell is solid maybe unspectacular. I think Fujita's suspension might actually help the linebackers because the rookies are an upgrade over him. Terrible depth but no worse than last year.
Safeties Improved. Ward is healthy at least for now and he is the key. Hopefully we don't miss Adams too much. I'm hoping Hagg is ok.
CB - Improved. Sheldon Brown is older but it seems like we have slightly better depth. Haden will get more picks this year.
Special Teams
Improved. They can't get much worse than last year. I think the plan is to have Cribbs concentrate on what he does best and that should help. Benjamin will also be able to add speed to this group.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,577
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,577 |
Quote:
COACHING-
Improved. I know a lot of people don't like Shurmur but he was a rookie with no offseason. I don't think any coach had to deal with as much crap as him. New coaching additions will also help him. I'm not saying he is great, but he will be improved.
It would be hard not to be improved. Hopefully you're a better coach when you have better talent on the field. I was not that impressed with Shurm last year.
OFFENSE
Quote:
QB - Improved. He's old and he's a rookie but he's an improvement.
Lets hope BeeWee is good. Lets not forget he is a rookie.
Quote:
RB - Improved. Peyton Hillis went from work horse to horse's ass in one year. This position is greatly improved and has good depth.
Gawd, I wish we had TR AND Hillis. Be the best duo in the AFC North.
Quote:
WR's Improved. Last year we had Massaquoi injured and Robiskie starting. Little was a rookie. This position needs further upgrades but it is better than last year. Healthy and another year wiser to the scheme our WRs are upgrades over last year.
The big thing for me is that Little is past his rookie season. Lets get these guys a proper camp and lets see what we can do with them.
Quote:
OL Improved. Right tackle was a joke. The guards were young and improved as the season went on. There is no reason to think they will take a step back. Schwartz is a rookie but is a big upgrade. The line went from bad to good IMO.
It would be hard not to consider the right side upgraded. The 5 best QB's in the NFL would have struggled behind our right side.
Quote:
FB Improved. You could argue the Browns took a step back getting rid of Vickers for Marecic but we're not talking about the 2010 Browns. FB got better with a more experienced Marecic and Smelley might be an upgrade as well.
Lets hope so. Remember Marecic may be a concussion away from retirement.
Quote:
TE Maybe not improved, but not much worse if any. I don't think Ben Watson has much left in the tank and he is vital to this position. Alex Smith won't be asked to carry the ball near the goal line next year due to improved coaching. Cameron and Evan Moore might be upgrades over last season due to better play calling.
Hmm.. I think it's entirely possible we may be much worse off this year.
Just Offense for now, I want to eat this pizza.
SaintDawg™
Football, baseball, basketball, wine, women, walleye
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850 |
Not really sure how the safety positions improved.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961 |
Quote:
Not really sure how the safety positions improved.
I think he's referring to a healthy Ward and Hagg being better than Young and Adams. If OTA's and mini camp meant anything, they were pretty impressed with Hagg and I've always been a Ward fan so it's really more of this 
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,448
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,448 |
Just don't see how anyone could stick their neck out and say the WR position is improved !
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234 |
Quote:
Just don't see how anyone could stick their neck out and say the WR position is improved !
The glass is full & over-flowing in this thread! 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,448
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,448 |
That's ok .. This time of the year were still in the Hunt for the Super Bowl 
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961 |
Quote:
Just don't see how anyone could stick their neck out and say the WR position is improved !
Yeah, that's a question mark. But the thought might be that we had a rookie who played pretty well last year after being away from the game for a year.. and reports are that he came into OTA's looking strong and fit.
Add in a healthy MoMass and maybe Benjimen and maybe this cooper kid.. then throw in Norwood. It really could be better.
Not sure I'd go out on a limb and say improved, but the ability for that is there.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 7,234 |
Quote:
Not sure I'd go out on a limb and say improved, but the ability for that is there.
I really have to rack my brain and use the ol' imagination to think of a scenario where the WR situation could get any WORSE than last season.
I guess that's optimism . . .
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 560
All Pro
|
|
OP
All Pro
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 560 |
Quote:
Just don't see how anyone could stick their neck out and say the WR position is improved !
This position is still a position of weakness but it is easily improved over last year. You're starting WR's were Massa and Robo. Yikes!
These guys will all look better with a training camp and improved QB play. Glittle will be a beast. I'm loving the cool aid Holmgren provided! Seriously though, this position is improved over last year.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961 |
Quote:
Quote:
Not sure I'd go out on a limb and say improved, but the ability for that is there.
I really have to rack my brain and use the ol' imagination to think of a scenario where the WR situation could get any WORSE than last season.
I guess that's optimism . . .
LOL,,, think of it this way,, It's All Colt McCoys fault and with him not being the starter, we'll suddenly have a bunch of Jerry Rice clones because of Weeden 
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
It's really not that tough. If little gets hurt, we suddenly have a team of only WRs that wouldn't make 1/3 of NFL rosters.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,682
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,682 |
Quote:
It's really not that tough. If little gets hurt, we suddenly have a team of only WRs that wouldn't make 1/3 of NFL rosters.
I was going to say possibly 1/2, but you are probably right.
Maybe we need to put in a bid on that receiver in the supplemental. Get next years 2nd round pick this year.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/small-gator-chomp.gif)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,530
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,530 |
Quote:
I know the schedule seems tough but I think our division is overrated. I think the Browns are much improved over last year and are ready to compete for a division title. They might not win the division and I won't say the P word, but I think they will be competitive. I think across the board our team is better compared to last year. I want to know which positions you think we did not improve upon from last year.
Your in need of medical attention...... 
Quote:
COACHING-
Improved. I know a lot of people don't like Shurmur but he was a rookie with no offseason. I don't think any coach had to deal with as much crap as him. New coaching additions will also help him. I'm not saying he is great, but he will be improved.
Impossible for Shurmur not to be better, it don't get worse then he was last season thats for damned sure. The new additions to the coachings staff are just more of the same.
Quote:
OFFENSE
QB - Improved. He's old and he's a rookie but he's an improvement.
Colt was pretty bad but about this time a year ago the same group of guys that are now crowning Weedon the next savior were telling anyone that would listen how much better Colt would be in the WCO and how he was made for the WCO including Holmy.
I HOPE Weedon is better, but beyond that I have NO idea if it will be better or worse, although it would seem to be impossible for it to be worse...
As I see it your standards are WAY to low, comparing ourselfs to what we saw last season sets the bar beyond low....
Quote:
RB - Improved. Peyton Hillis went from work horse to horse's ass in one year. This position is greatly improved and has good depth.
Don't know if any of this is true and if Richardson is better then a healthy Hillis he is going to be real special because Hillis was special as well. He went thru a tough year last year for sure he did, but healthy he is pretty damned good.
A couple of question here though if Richardson can stay healthy I think he is an improvement on Hillis but I won't crown him yet.... At this point I HOPE.
Quote:
WR's Improved. Last year we had Massaquoi injured and Robiskie starting. Little was a rookie. This position needs further upgrades but it is better than last year. Healthy and another year wiser to the scheme our WRs are upgrades over last year.
I never thought the WR's were that bad to begin with drops to the side. I always thought our problems were more QB related... But hey that's just me...
OL Improved. Right tackle was a joke. The guards were young and improved as the season went on. There is no reason to think they will take a step back. Schwartz is a rookie but is a big upgrade. The line went from bad to good IMO.
Again you hope I still think Lava has to take a huge leap and Pinkston was man handled last season. Pashos is not hard to improve on thats for sure, but I would crown Schwartz just yet. But sure if you compare him to Pashos he is better but so is my 76 year old mom.... 
Quote:
FB Improved. You could argue the Browns took a step back getting rid of Vickers for Marecic but we're not talking about the 2010 Browns. FB got better with a more experienced Marecic and Smelley might be an upgrade as well.
Again the guy manning the position from a year ago was so bad the bar is beyond low. I agree it HAS to be better....But if the standard is only to be better then last year we will still suck.......
Quote:
TE Maybe not improved, but not much worse if any. I don't think Ben Watson has much left in the tank and he is vital to this position. Alex Smith won't be asked to carry the ball near the goal line next year due to improved coaching. Cameron and Evan Moore might be upgrades over last season due to better play calling.
Watson is getting long in the tooth but if he can stay healthy he is a top flight player. Moore will never be a great TE he just can't/won't block. I can see him being cut if Cameron and Smelly pan out...
Quote:
DEFENSE
DT Not improved. Hopefully Taylor returns before the year is over to provide a big boost to the defense as the year wears on. Hopefully the rookies aren't as much of a drop off as expected and will provide good depth when Taylor returns.
The rookies won't be much of a drop off from Taylor he wasn't that good inspite of what fans think. He had his moments and he can be really good but he is lazy and takes plays off.. His run support or lack there of was bad. He has a lot of improving to do just to justify his draft position..
JMHO.
Quote:
DE Improved. Sheard didn't start the year well as he was out of position. He now comes into training camp at left end from the start. Frostee is an upgrade. This position needs further upgrades but is better now than last year.
How can you NOT improve on Mitchel??? Again the bar is beyond low...
Heckert blew it on Mitchel... The funny or bad part was Heckert basicly said Mangini was an idiot for not playing Mitchel....
Quote:
LB Not improved but not much worse. D'Qwell is solid maybe unspectacular. I think Fujita's suspension might actually help the linebackers because the rookies are an upgrade over him. Terrible depth but no worse than last year.
This group is pretty bad....
Quote:
Safeties Improved. Ward is healthy at least for now and he is the key. Hopefully we don't miss Adams too much. I'm hoping Hagg is ok.
NO WAY is this group improved.. Ward showed last season how much he realied on Elam, when paired with Osama (LOL) he wasn't very good when he was healthy... Adams is a huge loss, why Heckert let him get away I will never understand... 
Quote:
CB - Improved. Sheldon Brown is older but it seems like we have slightly better depth. Haden will get more picks this year.
No NOT improved if anything worse with the loss of Adams. Sheldon is another year older. I agree Haden will get more picks this year he had NONE last seasn it would be hard NOT to improve on ZERO.
Quote:
Special Teams
Improved. They can't get much worse than last year. I think the plan is to have Cribbs concentrate on what he does best and that should help. Benjamin will also be able to add speed to this group.
This group was so bad last season it's impossible for them not to be better we agree here..
The probelm I have with your assesments is they are all based on Suckage from last season, sure it's bound to be better because it can't be any worse. CAN IT???
JMHO
BTTB
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263 |
Quote:
Heckert blew it on Mitchel... The funny or bad part was Heckert basicly said Mangini was an idiot for not playing Mitchel....
I think you are mistaken....Genie wanted Mitchel. Heckert got him....Genie did not play him. Heckert only did what Genie wanted. He was quoting Genie when he said He was the Best DE we had. If anything, Heckert was blasting Genie for lobbying for a DE and then not playing him. You can't fault Heck on this one.
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180
You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow
#GMSTRONG
I want to do it as a Cleveland Brown because that's who I am.”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,850 |
Quote:
Quote:
Heckert blew it on Mitchel... The funny or bad part was Heckert basicly said Mangini was an idiot for not playing Mitchel....
I think you are mistaken....Genie wanted Mitchel. Heckert got him....Genie did not play him. Heckert only did what Genie wanted. He was quoting Genie when he said He was the Best DE we had. If anything, Heckert was blasting Genie for lobbying for a DE and then not playing him. You can't fault Heck on this one.
I thought the issue w/ Mitchell was he was a 4-3 DE, and at the time brought him in while we were still in a 3-4.
I was more under the impression that Mitchell was wanted by Heckert, not Gini.. and thats why Mitchell didn't play.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961 |
Quote:
This group was so bad last season it's impossible for them not to be better we agree here..
A couple of key injuries and we are 4 and 12 again..
But, barring that, we should be better if for no other reason than we have what I think will be a game changing running back with good, solid backups in Jackson and Obie and maybe even hardesty.
And a RT that WILL get beat early but settle in.
If Weeden doesn't flop,, yeah, we'll be better...
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263 |
I agree with the 3-4 vs. 4-3. Everything I've read up to that point was Genie wanted Mitchel. Heck got him. Then the media was asking why he was not playing. Then Heck starting saying he didn't know, That he was the best DE we had.(wink,wink) I thought maybe Genie was saving him for the next yr. when he might change to a 4-3? I guess it does not matter anymore.
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180
You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow
#GMSTRONG
I want to do it as a Cleveland Brown because that's who I am.”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,530
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,530 |
Quote:
Quote:
Heckert blew it on Mitchel... The funny or bad part was Heckert basicly said Mangini was an idiot for not playing Mitchel....
I think you are mistaken....Genie wanted Mitchel. Heckert got him....Genie did not play him. Heckert only did what Genie wanted. He was quoting Genie when he said He was the Best DE we had. If anything, Heckert was blasting Genie for lobbying for a DE and then not playing him. You can't fault Heck on this one.
So I guess Mangini really was an idiot he couldn't tell the difference between a 4-3 DE (and a bad one at that) and a 3-4 DE.. I guess Mangini was the idiot here for sure..
But before I move on please do explain who was at fault for signing Mitchel to the big FA contract and why do you suppose he did that when every other player Mangini wanted or brought in has been let go or walked when FA came along???
HINT, HINT Mitchel was all Heckerts work from start to finish.....
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,507
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,507 |
Quote:
Quote:
Heckert blew it on Mitchel... The funny or bad part was Heckert basicly said Mangini was an idiot for not playing Mitchel....
I think you are mistaken....Genie wanted Mitchel. Heckert got him....Genie did not play him. Heckert only did what Genie wanted. He was quoting Genie when he said He was the Best DE we had. If anything, Heckert was blasting Genie for lobbying for a DE and then not playing him. You can't fault Heck on this one.
I never heard anything even remotely suggesting what you posted. Below is the kind of stuff I can find. I don't recall seeing or hearing anything about Mangini being the driving force behind trading for Mitchell, or even being happy that we did so.
I do remember Tom Heckert getting Mitchell.
Here's an article about what Mangini said about Mitchell when the trade was done. Nothing suggests what you posted.
The Saga of Tom Heckert, Eric Mangini and Jayme Mitchell | WaitingForNextYear
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2011/08/the-saga-of-tom-heckert-eric-mangini-and-jayme-mitchell/
(Mangini On Jayme Mitchell)- “Jayme actually played in our first game last season from Minnesota, he had two or three pressures against us. I think he’s got good, natural pass rush ability. It’s a very different system from what he’s coming from to what we run but there’s a lot of things that we think he can help us with. I think he does a good job at the line of scrimmage in the running game and it’s a different pattern so we have to see how it fits with us. Just liked a lot of his natural ability that he brings to us. Now it’s a function of us being able to get him up to speed, get him in a role and him learning the system before we can play him.”
(Mangini On if they are bringing Mitchell in because so many players are injured)- “We are banged up at front but that wasn’t really the driving factor here. It was more an opportunity to get a young guy that we thought could develop in the system at this point in the season which you usually don’t have those opportunities and we wanted to do that and see how he could fit for us.”
(Mangini On if Mitchell has played a 3-4)- “I don’t think he’s got very much experience in it. He’s got kind of a body type where you could potentially use him as an end or stand him up and play him at outside linebacker, so there’s that flexibility that we could explore. It’s so early it’s hard to tell where he’ll end up.”
(Mangini On how the uncertainty in the defensive line’s health has affected the team)- “We’ve had to make adjustments in practices is one of the parts of it. Now the good news for young guys like Brian Sanford or Travis Ivey is they get some reps that they wouldn’t necessarily get. Brian Schaefering gets more reps, Derreck Robinson gets more reps. That helps them and it helps us because we get to see their development. Especially for those practice squad guys they get a chance to go make a case for themselves not just in the show team reps but in our reps…..”
http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x1158632...-Jayme-Mitchell
Browns General Manager Tom Heckert traded for Mitchell four games into the 2010 season. It was as if no one told Head Coach Eric Mangini, who never played him. Mitchell never dressed, not even when the season was long gone.
Somehow, Heckert thinks he has seen enough to project Mitchell as a good answer to the question of who will start at left defensive end.
Mitchell, 27, could have left as a free agent.
“(Re-signing him) was a big move for us,” Heckert said Monday. “You guys have seen him. He LOOKS like a defensive end.”
...........
After the Oct. 5 trade, Mitchell didn’t play for Mangini and says he didn’t ask why.
“I wish I’d have gotten a chance to see him,” Heckert says now, “but to Eric’s credit, Jayme was not a fit for the 3-4. I completely agree with that.
“But if it wasn’t a smart move then, I think it is now.”
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263 |
My bad, I've looked all over and could not find anything on it. Guess I remembered wrong. Well, that worked out well. 
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180
You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow
#GMSTRONG
I want to do it as a Cleveland Brown because that's who I am.”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 560
All Pro
|
|
OP
All Pro
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 560 |
Quote:
You're in need of medical attention......
I'm not an NFL director of pro personnel or a GM, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. They way I read your post you don't seem to disagree that we are improved, but that last year's team set the bar too low. If we had one single touchdown more in 5 of our losses we would have been 9-7. Last year's team was young and couldn't find a way to win some close games. If I feel that this year's team is improved, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a big jump in wins.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,530
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,530 |
Quote:
Quote:
You're in need of medical attention......
I'm not an NFL director of pro personnel or a GM, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. They way I read your post you don't seem to disagree that we are improved, but that last year's team set the bar too low. If we had one single touchdown more in 5 of our losses we would have been 9-7. Last year's team was young and couldn't find a way to win some close games. If I feel that this year's team is improved, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a big jump in wins.
This team played the weakest schedule I can remember and still only managed 4 wins.
But the really bad news is they looked bad real bad in their loses and their wins hell every HC that we beat last year was fired. I won't mention we had the #4 pick in the draft which is something that you wouldn't associate with a team that is close...
The final point we are a lot closer to going 0 for the season then we are at being truly better, or good enough to be called or considered good that is by everyones standard but a blind homer..........
BTTB
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
You're in need of medical attention......
I'm not an NFL director of pro personnel or a GM, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. They way I read your post you don't seem to disagree that we are improved, but that last year's team set the bar too low. If we had one single touchdown more in 5 of our losses we would have been 9-7. Last year's team was young and couldn't find a way to win some close games. If I feel that this year's team is improved, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a big jump in wins.
This team played the weakest schedule I can remember and still only managed 4 wins.
But the really bad news is they looked bad real bad in their loses and their wins hell every HC that we beat last year was fired. I won't mention we had the #4 pick in the draft which is something that you wouldn't associate with a team that is close...
The final point we are a lot closer to going 0 for the season then we are at being truly better, or good enough to be called or considered good that is by everyones standard but a blind homer..........
BTTB
Last years schedule was weak?
Sunday, September 11 vs. Cincinnati Bengals, 1:00PM
Sunday, September 18 at Indianapolis Colts, 1:00PM
Sunday, September 25 vs. Miami Dolphins, 1:00PM
Sunday, October 2 vs. Tennessee Titans, 1:00PM
Sunday, October 9 Bye Week
Sunday, October 16 at Oakland Raiders, 4:05PM
Sunday, October 23 vs. Seattle Seahawks, 1:00PM
Sunday, October 30 at San Francisco 49ers, 4:15PM
Sunday, November 6 at Houston Texans, 1:00PM
Sunday, November 13 vs. St. Louis Rams, 1:00PM
Sunday, November 20 vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, 1:00PM
Sunday, November 27 at Cincinnati Bengals, 1:00PM
Sunday, December 4 vs. Baltimore Ravens, 1:00PM
Thursday, December 8 at Pittsburgh Steelers, 8:20PM
Sunday, December 18 at Arizona Cardinals, 4:15PM
Saturday, December 24 at Baltimore Ravens, 1:00PM
Sunday, January 1 vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, 1:00PM
You call a schedule that included the Steelers twice, the Bengals (who came to life last season) twice, the Ravens twice, the 49ers and the Texans weak and Arizona and Tennesee? That was 5 playoff teams, that's 8 games against playoff teams.. and some decent teams as well, I don't care what any of those teams did the year before.
that's not a weak schedule. it might have been called one prior to the season, but what they did the year before doesn't matter.. it's what they are doing in the year you compete that counts..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
That's not just a weak schedule....that's the definition of a weak schedule!
We play the same divisional games every year. Last year we played only 2 playoff teams outside our division out of 10 games and got Indy without Manning.
To say otherwise is absurd.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,961 |
Quote:
That's not just a weak schedule....that's the definition of a weak schedule!
We play the same divisional games every year. Last year we played only 2 playoff teams outside our division out of 10 games and got Indy without Manning.
To say otherwise is absurd.
What's absurd is that we played some good teams in a time of our transition..
to say otherwise,,, well, that's absurd
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,826
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,826 |
Quote:
That's not just a weak schedule....that's the definition of a weak schedule!
We play the same divisional games every year. Last year we played only 2 playoff teams outside our division out of 10 games and got Indy without Manning.
To say otherwise is absurd.
Correct.
Good bad or indifferent, we play the bengals, steelers and ravens twice every year.
Even looking back - I say the schedule we had last year was a weak one.
Now - I'm not one for looking ahead and saying this years schedule is easy, average, or tough - because you never know regardless of what it looks like on paper.
One injury per team we play may make a tough schedule look easy. One injury for us (to a weeden, or richardson) might make an easy looking schedule tough.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,728 |
The Steelers and Ravens have begun to lose some of their championship DNA. There were quite a few leaders that retired from the Steelers this year and others are aging quickly. The Ravens defense is getting old and Suggs is out for a while this year.
People have been predicting their declines for a while now. I'm pretty comfortable now making my own prediction. The Steelers are going to take a step back and not make the playoffs this year. I think the Ravens win the division but it's going to be a 10-6 or 11-5 type year for them. The Bengals were a little bit of fool's gold last year. They'll probably revert back to the middle of the pack team they should be this year.
The Broncos, Chiefs and Titans are all going to take a step forward. I could see all three making the playoffs.
And I think the Texans are by far the best team in the AFC.
The Browns...we'll see. I don't know quite what to expect yet. But I can safely say the games will be more exciting than last year. They have to be!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,507
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 50,507 |
Quote:
Quote:
You're in need of medical attention......
I'm not an NFL director of pro personnel or a GM, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. They way I read your post you don't seem to disagree that we are improved, but that last year's team set the bar too low. If we had one single touchdown more in 5 of our losses we would have been 9-7. Last year's team was young and couldn't find a way to win some close games. If I feel that this year's team is improved, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a big jump in wins.
While that's somewhat true ..... there is also the other side.
Opposing teams played hard on offense for the first half of games, and generally a drive or 2 into the 2nd half of games. Then they went into "prevent offense" mode, where they were lucky to attempts 10 passes for the rest of the game. If we have an actual, somewhat close to NFL standard offense, opposing teams won't be able to do this, and games will be harder to win.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Pre-camp Browns predictions by
position
|
|
![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/6WV79RV/Browns-Coach-Sig.png)
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/Heldawg/rgiii2.jpg)