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So while you are waiting for a better probability of success, you watch another innocent die. Then another. And another. I'll REPEAT, 12 people died. 40 plus wounded.
You want a guarantee? There aren't any.
No action taken had the result of 12 dead. I'll bet you could ask any one of their parents, or spouses, or children, whether or not you should wait for better odds.
Move away from the mass of people, pop a round into the ceiling, and take cover. Probably save several lives right there. Simply shout "police!" would most likely help.
If, at the first gunshot, 3 or 4 armed citizens started firing, I don't think it could be much worse. Unless you consider, say, 5 or 6 dead, plus the whacko, as worse just because one or two civilians ate one from friendly fire. Is that it? End result, 6 people alive who would have been dead, two or even three from an armed civilians weapon. Are the ones the whacko shot Less Dead? Are the ones you shot More Dead? Would you feel better with 6 more dead, just because you didn't kill any of them?
Let them die so you can have a clear conscience?
Alright, you have no gun. Use the darkness to YOUR advantage. Shout "Freeze!", take cover, move. Shout "Police!", take cover, move. Keep away from the crowd and draw his fire. Wait for him to stop to reload, and then charge. Do so in the full and certain knowledge that you will be completely alone. If you live, you can ponder why that is at some future point. If you die, at least you made some effort rather than be slaughtered like cattle in a pen.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, there are times when desperate attack may be your best option, or your only one. They have found it necessary to remind people of this fact.
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If the owner had just invested a couple of hundred bucks and put on that rear exit door an alarm that would sound if open,
I think that's a little unfair to call out the owner like that. I've been to probably 20 or so different movie theaters in my life in 4 different states and two countries and I've never seen any theater have alarms on those doors. I've used those doors many time to get to the parking lot quicker after a movie was over.
I wasn't calling out the owner per se, just pointing out what could have put a big kink in the guys plan. What would you like to bet your options of using that exit door are going to go away and quickly. It's too bad Detex is a privately held company otherwise I'd suggest you buy stock.
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So while you are waiting for a better probability of success, you watch another innocent die. Then another. And another. I'll REPEAT, 12 people died. 40 plus wounded.
You want a guarantee? There aren't any.
No action taken had the result of 12 dead. I'll bet you could ask any one of their parents, or spouses, or children, whether or not you should wait for better odds.
Move away from the mass of people, pop a round into the ceiling, and take cover. Probably save several lives right there. Simply shout "police!" would most likely help.
If, at the first gunshot, 3 or 4 armed citizens started firing, I don't think it could be much worse. Unless you consider, say, 5 or 6 dead, plus the whacko, as worse just because one or two civilians ate one from friendly fire. Is that it? End result, 6 people alive who would have been dead, two or even three from an armed civilians weapon. Are the ones the whacko shot Less Dead? Are the ones you shot More Dead? Would you feel better with 6 more dead, just because you didn't kill any of them?
Let them die so you can have a clear conscience?
Alright, you have no gun. Use the darkness to YOUR advantage. Shout "Freeze!", take cover, move. Shout "Police!", take cover, move. Keep away from the crowd and draw his fire. Wait for him to stop to reload, and then charge. Do so in the full and certain knowledge that you will be completely alone. If you live, you can ponder why that is at some future point. If you die, at least you made some effort rather than be slaughtered like cattle in a pen.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, there are times when desperate attack may be your best option, or your only one. They have found it necessary to remind people of this fact.
Have you been in a theater recently? Running down the stairs is not a simple thing, and the guy walked up the one side of the theater, he didn't stay down at the front, so you'd have to be on the correct side.
If I peek up and see the guy coming up one isle shooting in between rows, and I can see he has gear on, then my first objective is going to be to get my wife to safety, Standing up to go toe to toe with the guy is a lose lose proposition for me, and puts my wife in greater danger as now I've drawn his attention.
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So while you are waiting for a better probability of success, you watch another innocent die. Then another. And another. I'll REPEAT, 12 people died. 40 plus wounded.
You want a guarantee? There aren't any.
No action taken had the result of 12 dead. I'll bet you could ask any one of their parents, or spouses, or children, whether or not you should wait for better odds.
Move away from the mass of people, pop a round into the ceiling, and take cover. Probably save several lives right there. Simply shout "police!" would most likely help.
If, at the first gunshot, 3 or 4 armed citizens started firing, I don't think it could be much worse. Unless you consider, say, 5 or 6 dead, plus the whacko, as worse just because one or two civilians ate one from friendly fire. Is that it? End result, 6 people alive who would have been dead, two or even three from an armed civilians weapon. Are the ones the whacko shot Less Dead? Are the ones you shot More Dead? Would you feel better with 6 more dead, just because you didn't kill any of them?
Let them die so you can have a clear conscience?
Alright, you have no gun. Use the darkness to YOUR advantage. Shout "Freeze!", take cover, move. Shout "Police!", take cover, move. Keep away from the crowd and draw his fire. Wait for him to stop to reload, and then charge. Do so in the full and certain knowledge that you will be completely alone. If you live, you can ponder why that is at some future point. If you die, at least you made some effort rather than be slaughtered like cattle in a pen.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, there are times when desperate attack may be your best option, or your only one. They have found it necessary to remind people of this fact.
Have you been in a theater recently? Running down the stairs is not a simple thing, and the guy walked up the one side of the theater, he didn't stay down at the front, so you'd have to be on the correct side.
If I peek up and see the guy coming up one isle shooting in between rows, and I can see he has gear on, then my first objective is going to be to get my wife to safety, Standing up to go toe to toe with the guy is a lose lose proposition for me, and puts my wife in greater danger as now I've drawn his attention.
At that exact moment in time, I doubt you have any idea what you would do. Dear in the headlights, fight back, run.. who knows...
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I think the best option might have been to play dead.......and pray.
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Well, if it ain't gun laws, then maybe we should just swallow our pride and ask the UK why their murder rate is a fifth of what ours is or Japan why theirs is a twentieth of what ours is... because it is completely ridiculous how much higher ours is compared to the rest of the stabilized world.
Can't speak for the UK, but I can tell you why Japan's is lower: their culture. People would rather kill themselves than dishonor their family. It's why their suicide rate is so high.
If you want to compare murder rates/gun related deaths between countries, first look at the cultures of the countries. Gun control laws are much less significant than the cultures.
I love living in this country, but let's be honest: there are some weird, messed up people that live here too. We've all met them. We have so much freedom in this country to express ourselves, with such a mix of cultures, religions, and ideas...it leads to a wide array personalities, values, and ideals that are always in conflict with each other.
When you have a country where people are free to express conflicting personalities, values, and ideals, there will be more violence.
Now, I'm not saying there was any reasoning behind this guy's heinous actions that we can ever understand. I'm just saying that I think the culture of our country can lend itself to creating violent wackos like this guy. Only evolving our society into one that is less violent while maintaining the freedoms we love will lower the violent crime rate. However, there will always be psychos like this guy out there lurking.
Could stricter gun control laws promote a less violent culture? Yeah, maybe, but it's not the full or best solution.
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Honestly, it was just a question. i don't understand what it's for at all. I mean, nobody uses an automatic rifle for hunting, right? I thought most people used handguns for home defense.
@Prp, magazine size is kind of a big deal I think when you start talking about this kind of gun vs that kind of gun.
An AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon. Just for the record.
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Wikipedia : "automatic firearm" Quote:
An automatic firearm is a firearm that loads another round mechanically after the first round has been fired.
The term can be used to refer to semi-automatic firearms, which fire one shot per single pull of the trigger (like the .45 "automatic"), or fully automatic firearms, which will continue to load and fire ammunition until the trigger (or other activating device) is released, the ammunition is exhausted, or the firearm is jammed.
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Wikipedia is NEVER wrong... http://www.thefreedictionary.com/automatic+weaponautomatic weapon - a firearm that reloads itself and keeps firing until the trigger is released AR 15 is a SEMI automatic weapon
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I went to the Aurora, Ohio Heinens yesterday (for those that aren't in the area, Heinens is a local grocery chain)
They had a banner laid out on a table in t he front of the store. it was about 15 feet long and it read Aurora, Ohio (Hearts) Aurora, Colorado and hundreds of people have already signed it.
pretty nice thing to see. I suspect they'll send it out to Aurora, Co for some show of support at some point in the near future.
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I went to the Aurora, Ohio Heinens yesterday (for those that aren't in the area, Heinens is a local grocery chain)
They had a banner laid out on a table in t he front of the store. it was about 15 feet long and it read Aurora, Ohio (Hearts) Aurora, Colorado and hundreds of people have already signed it.
pretty nice thing to see. I suspect they'll send it out to Aurora, Co for some show of support at some point in the near future.
That's very cool, and classy of the store and town.
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Classy move by Jimmy Smith of the Panthers. He's got no connection to the Denver area at all, but he's making a sizable donation to the victims fund. Panthers' Smith donates $100K toward Colorado shooting victims' expenses - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/19668...ictims-expensesSPARTANBURG, S.C. -- Carolina Panthers wide receiver Steve Smith is donating $100,000 to help the survivors of the movie-theater shooting in Colorado pay for medical expenses. Smith didn't know any of the victims of the July 20 shooting in Aurora, which left 12 people dead and 58 injured. But the news hit home because he says his oldest son Peyton was at a similar midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises in Charlotte that same night. Smith said the thought of losing one of his family members was frightening and was moved to do something to help. "I can't imagine getting someone severely injured, one, and then, two, trying to figure out how to pay for it," Smith said after arriving for the start of the Panthers training camp. Smith made the donation to the city of Aurora, which will distribute the funds to the victims. Smith is involved in a number of charitable organizations across the country, many of which go unnoticed. But he says he made the donation public by having his agent send out a press release because he wanted to challenge others in high-profile positions to use their platform to step up and help contribute to the cause. "Economic times are tough right now and [my family] has the means to do it," Smith said. "We have a chance to lead and hopefully other people will see that. People get prideful and say, 'Hey, this guy did that. Why don't I do more?' ... I don't think it's a publicity job, I think it's a chance for people to think about what are you here for? Are you here to store up your treasures or are you going to give it to people who are obviously in need?" Smith arrived at training camp on Friday with a new beard and a hat that read "I love my life." "I do love my life," Smith said. "All of the people that are going through some of the things they're going through, sometimes you need a perspective."
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Way to go Steve "Jimmy" Smith!
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automatic weapon - a firearm that reloads itself and keeps firing until the trigger is released
AR 15 is a SEMI automatic weapon
Thanks for clearing that up for Steve. 
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Ah hell ...... it's the medication I tell you ....... 
Steve Smith. Class Act.
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An automatic firearm is a firearm that loads another round mechanically after the first round has been fired.
The term can be used to refer to semi-automatic firearms, which fire one shot per single pull of the trigger (like the .45 "automatic"), or fully automatic firearms, which will continue to load and fire ammunition until the trigger (or other activating device) is released, the ammunition is exhausted, or the firearm is jammed.
According to this ignorant definition, even a pistol (that's a revolver - a 6 shooter) would be classified as an "automatic" fire arm. Why? Because with a revolver, when you pull the trigger, the next round cycles around to be fired.
Here is your, and wiki's, quote: "An automatic firearm is a firearm that loads another round mechanically after the first round has been fired."
Ever shot a revolver? Amazingly, when you pull the trigger, it..........get this.........it revolves........and you get to pull the trigger again and it shoots again.
If you don't know guns, stay out of the discussion. Your wiki definition makes every gun an "automatic" unless it's a single shot gun.
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I have never done it, and I don't know if the Colorado shooter did it but I have heard for a few dollars in parts any gunsmith can fully automate and AR15. I was even told you can buy a kit on the internet to do it.
On another note, I went and saw Dark Knight Rises today and couldn't help but look at the emergency exit and wonder how I would have reacted in this case. It seems to me most of the people shot were the ones scrambling for the exits. I think the best bet would have been to hit floor and lay flat, its dark as hell under there.
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According to this ignorant definition, even a pistol (that's a revolver - a 6 shooter) would be classified as an "automatic" fire arm. Why? Because with a revolver, when you pull the trigger, the next round cycles around to be fired.
Man, and here I thought a pistol and a revolver were different! Like you had to load each revolver round into it's chamber, but pistol rounds were loaded into a magazine! I feel dumb! Thanks for the education!
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Thanks! I guess I should just keep my mouth shut!
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Well, there are single action revolvers...just saying.
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An automatic firearm is a firearm that loads another round mechanically after the first round has been fired.
The term can be used to refer to semi-automatic firearms, which fire one shot per single pull of the trigger (like the .45 "automatic"), or fully automatic firearms, which will continue to load and fire ammunition until the trigger (or other activating device) is released, the ammunition is exhausted, or the firearm is jammed.
According to this ignorant definition, even a pistol (that's a revolver - a 6 shooter) would be classified as an "automatic" fire arm. Why? Because with a revolver, when you pull the trigger, the next round cycles around to be fired.
Here is your, and wiki's, quote: "An automatic firearm is a firearm that loads another round mechanically after the first round has been fired."
Ever shot a revolver? Amazingly, when you pull the trigger, it..........get this.........it revolves........and you get to pull the trigger again and it shoots again.
If you don't know guns, stay out of the discussion. Your wiki definition makes every gun an "automatic" unless it's a single shot gun.
If we look at wiki, under the term PISTOL, wiki-handgun there is this note...
...."It has been suggested that this article or section be merged into Handgun. (Discuss) Proposed"
Interesting...hmmm...if we look under HANDGUN, wiki discusses the terminology of "handgun" and "pistol" and how those terms are interpreted differently in different countries.
WIKI states...The word "pistol" is often synonymous with the word "handgun". Some handgun experts make a technical distinction that views pistols as a subset of handguns. Sometimes in American usage, the term "pistol" refers to a handgun having one chamber integral with the barrel, making pistols distinct from the other main type of handgun, the revolver, which has a revolving cylinder containing multiple chambers.
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Most gun owners in this country refer to a handgun and pistol as the same thing. If some want to get "technical", they are free to do so.
For the most part, wiki has the handgun classifications correct as used in the USA.
HANDGUN/Pistol
...Single-shot pistols
...Multi-barreled pistols
...Revolvers
...Semi-automatic pistols
...Machine pistols
Machine pistol, is not a term commonly used by gun owners but we know what the term means when we hear it. FULL AUTO (short for "fully automatic") is the term most used by gun owners in the USA, to refer to handguns (and shoulder fired guns) that are machine guns, the Thompson machine gun for example.
The reason the term FULL auto came to be used was due to the fact that many gun owners wrongly referred to their semi automatic handguns as an "auto"...for example, if a gun owner says he has a 45 auto, most gun owners know he is not talking about a fully automatic .45 caliber handgun...most gun owners recognize the term 45 auto to mean a .45 caliber semi automatic handgun.
arch...if you look under HANDGUN, you will see that wiki has a seperate catagory for revolver, so anyone attempting to classify it as an "automatic" would be wrong to do so.
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An automatic firearm is a firearm that loads another round mechanically after the first round has been fired.
The term can be used to refer to semi-automatic firearms, which fire one shot per single pull of the trigger (like the .45 "automatic"), or fully automatic firearms, which will continue to load and fire ammunition until the trigger (or other activating device) is released, the ammunition is exhausted, or the firearm is jammed.
According to this ignorant definition, even a pistol (that's a revolver - a 6 shooter) would be classified as an "automatic" fire arm. Why? Because with a revolver, when you pull the trigger, the next round cycles around to be fired.
Here is your, and wiki's, quote: "An automatic firearm is a firearm that loads another round mechanically after the first round has been fired."
Ever shot a revolver? Amazingly, when you pull the trigger, it..........get this.........it revolves........and you get to pull the trigger again and it shoots again.
If you don't know guns, stay out of the discussion. Your wiki definition makes every gun an "automatic" unless it's a single shot gun.
A pistol would be a SEMI-Automatic weapon. One round per pull up the trigger.
It's Automatic because the weapon "automatically" reloads itself..
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It's semantics.. Semi, Full .. they are reloaded automatically but the semi trigger has to be released and pulled again. The FULL auto will empty the clip if you hold the trigger back. You can shoot almost as fast with a semi, and usually with a lot more accuracy with the semi. The anti gun people always say "they did it with an automatic weapon" to make it sound more devious and dangerous.
I hear their is a bill a few senators are going to introduce this week to put an immidiate ban on producing or offering for sale, any magazine that holds more than 10 rds. So now the crazy people will have to carry 4 or 5 clips and swap them out while shooting up the place. Yea... that will REALLY help.
Then I hear the media talk about why and how on earth did he be allowed to buy 6K rds of ammo.. Gotta stop that next.. Maybe limit our purchases to what, 50 RDs a month ? Thats about what he used to kill 12 people. He didn't need 6K rds. So what good will THAT do.
It's totally nuts.
How many people DIE everyday from drunk drivers ? Lets make driving under the influence against the law ! Ban alcohol ? Nope not gonna. Too many politicians DRINK. How many people could we save a day from liver disease and auto accidents if we got rid of booze ?
I can't believe America allows it's citizens to drink themselves to death and kill innocent children on our highways when all we would have to do is make it a crime to consume booze.
•On average, one person died every 48 minutes in 2009 due to an alcohol-impaired driver. I don't see this being plastered all over the news ?
It's all about popular opinion. The majority rules.
Smokers mostly just kill themselves, but lets make them do it outside the bar so it doesn't offend the drunks that will be behind the wheel in a little bit.
The days of the gun owners are numbered, just like the smokers.
The 2nd admendment will eventually be changed to read "The Right To Bear "Arm" with one bullet".
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Then I hear the media talk about why and how on earth did he be allowed to buy 6K rds of ammo.. Gotta stop that next.. Maybe limit our purchases to what, 50 RDs a month ? Thats about what he used to kill 12 people. He didn't need 6K rds. So what good will THAT do.
I doubt that would ever get through. The amount of ammo one purchases is usually related to their practicing routine.
I go through 100 rounds every other week at the range, and keep several hundred at home. And I know people who shoot on their own property that go through 500+ a week. Then you have people with needs for different calibers and styles.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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No kidding. When we bring the arsenal for a shooting day, we can go through a 1000+ rounds easily. I probably should rephrase that.
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