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I have to ask, why would someone with the reue' of Childress come here to work for someone like Shurmer? We all understand how NFL coaching candidates build their resume' and their reputations. Wouldn't coming here simply as an OC under a rookie HC who has shown us many sugns of wekness be a death penalty on the resume of Brad Childress? Or is there something more? We all saw how Shurmers first year here went. Clock management, playcalling and what sometimes appeared to be a guy on the sidelines who had that deer in ther headlight look. But let's look a little further. What resume's does Childress bring to the table here and exactly how does it stack up to Shurmer? Childress improved from 6-10 to 8-8 to 10-6 and 12-4 in his four full seasons. He won the NFC North his last two full seasons and reached the NFC Championship game at the end of the 2009 season. Record 40-35 Yes he was let go by the Vikings after a dismal start to 2010. But with a solid QB and a decent O, Childress is a proven winner with playoff experience. Shurmer? According to WKNR........ Quote:
In the first of a two-part interview, Childress talked about his decision to join the Browns after sitting out the 2011 season and collecting the Vikings’ paychecks. His extension reportedly netted Childress between $4.5 million and $5 million a year through 2013.
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Getting rid of Shurmer after one season would be a black eye on this FO. But lets face it folks, with having rookies at QB, RB, 2 WR positions and RT, a great season seems to be at least a year away.
I wonder who will be the head coach in 2013? We know Childress will be under contract and when comparing the resume's of the two, the writing may be on the wall......
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So when Holmgren talks of needing to make a "big jump" this year, he's talking about the team. Left unsaid is that it also applies to the head coach.
http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2012/05/summer_of_2012_should_be_a_mor.html
Funny thing...I couldn't seem to find much about Shurmers contract. I wonder who is getting paid more? The HC or the OC? Inquiring minds want to know?
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"But with a solid QB and a decent O, Childress is a proven winner with playoff experience. Shurmer?"
Here's your answer..
ONE: Shurmur hasn't HAD a solid QB and a decent O.
TWO: Childress didn't get offered a HC job so he took what he could.
THREE: Not everyone shares your opinion about the "deer in the headlights" look from our HC. I thought it was more like "you gotta be kidding me ?"
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I think it's a win-win situation for Chilly. If the Browns do well, he pads his resume with turning around a listless offense and teams looking for an HC will come calling. If the Browns take a dump, he's first in line for the HC position here.
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I have to ask, why would someone with the reue' of Childress come here to work for someone like Shurmer?
A paycheck has to come from somewhere? Childress has a reputation for being difficult to deal with?
And before getting terribly excited about his resume in Minnesota, ask yourself if you think Brandon Weeden will have a year like Favre did in 2009? Will Trent Richardson run like Adrian Peterson? Will we have WR production like Minny got from Percy Harvin and Sidney Rice? Will we have a DE who can rush the passer like Jared Allen, or a DT combo like the Williamses?
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I think it's a win-win situation for Chilly. If the Browns do well, he pads his resume with turning around a listless offense and teams looking for an HC will come calling. If the Browns take a dump, he's first in line for the HC position here.
That's pretty much the way I see it. I'm just not so convinced that with so many rookies starting at key positions, that this year will look good to the fan base from the W/L standpoint.
That's why I'm pretty much convinced that the bottom line will end up Shurmer gone and Childress will end up as the HC.
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So do you think that we will have a winning season tis year with all of those rookies starting? And if not, do you really believe that Shurmewr will get season 3 with Childress in the background considering his playoff experience?
Despite the popular opinion, you must know that NFL teams are corporations and while the fan base doesn't run the show, selling tickets and mechandice is a huge part of a teams success. In fact, a LOT of thier success!
I highly doubt that Childress came to a team devoid of talent with little chance of winning if he wasn't told talent would be brought in on O and it wasn't at least "highly suggested" that he would have a shot at the HC position if a change was made.
So seriously, how much more rope do you think Shurmer has?
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Shurmer clearly has to show vast improvement. I think the bottom that he has to win is 5, and even then it would be a low end win total that could cost him his job. From everything we've heard Holmgren and Heckert say, they fully believe this is the year to make a big step both on the field and record wise. The expectation is 7 wins, IMO. Anything less is failure. 5 I think he could somehow come away with his job. Less than that, he is a goner.
Hell, I wouldn't be very happy with 6 wins, myself. With the offensive line, running back, and defense, this should be a 7 win team, if the players are properly coached.
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I have to ask, why would someone with the reue' of Childress come here to work for someone like Shurmer?
A paycheck has to come from somewhere? Childress has a reputation for being difficult to deal with?
And before getting terribly excited about his resume in Minnesota, ask yourself if you think Brandon Weeden will have a year like Favre did in 2009? Will Trent Richardson run like Adrian Peterson? Will we have WR production like Minny got from Percy Harvin and Sidney Rice? Will we have a DE who can rush the passer like Jared Allen, or a DT combo like the Williamses?
No, I don't expect this season to be terribly successful. And BTW- Childress had a sweet paycheck still coming in from the Vikes for a year when he took this job, He wasn't pressed for a paycheck.
http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/01/27/12/C...?blockID=654608
And you might want to ask yourself......How did Billeckeck do in his first HC job? As good as Childress?
You see, Shurmer will be strapped dealing with this years record and all of the rokkies. As long as they progress, even if they don't win, Shurmer is stuck with the record and Childress will get credit for the progress.
It's all in the script!
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Despite the popular opinion, you must know that NFL teams are corporations and while the fan base doesn't run the show, selling tickets and mechandice is a huge part of a teams success. In fact, a LOT of thier success!
So...
You think making Childress the HC will sell tickets and Merch..?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I doubt it.
Holmgren really went out on a limb to hire Shurmur. He is doing everything he can to help him be successful. Holmgren doesn't want to look bad. People already questioned the hiring of Shurmur, and I would bet that he gets every opportunity to succeed.
As far as Childress ..... no one is going to hire him to be their head coach while he's sitting at home on the couch. If he helps turn this team around, then he gets his reputation as a guy who knows how to help turn a team around. That's what most teams want when they hire a new head coach.
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Well you obviously are bias and by now we all know what your opinion of the HC is, but to suggest that Chilly was brought here for anything else but to help this team and by that I include the HC is nothing but a story to suit your opinion, but I don't think that we have a back up plan for the HC.
To me they are all on the same boat and if this team should fail, then all who had a part would have some accounting to do ... Chilly included.
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You think making Childress the HC will sell tickets and Merch..?
Considering what condition things would be in after another season of a poor record, yes I do.
Let's face it, this fan base has bought into a lot of first time coaches and people with far less of a resume' than Childress before. We are desperate to have a winner.
So considering he has made the playoffs more than once and has led a team to an NFC Championship, that gives him a better resume' than any other HC we;ve had since our return and even before that.
So yes, I think it could be sold to the fan base as a sign of hope. I mean what else are we going on now?
A HC that hasn't won Jack and a handfull of rookies that we hope pans out, correct? So we have nothing concrete to believe in now. Just the hope that this rookie class pans out.
To me, a HC with a winning record and playoff experience is far more concrete than anything we've had since our return by a long shot.
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Well you obviously are bios and by now we all know what your opinion of the HC is, but to suggest that Chilly was brought here for anything else but to help this team and by that I include the HC is nothing but a story to suit your opinion, but I don't think that we have a back up plan for the HC.
I'm not one bit bias. I don't really care. But I do know how business works. You have a product to sell bottom line. And if you have a rookie HC with two seasons of a dismal record, guess who plays the fall guy?
Seriously, do you think we'll have a winning season with a bunch of raw rookies? Do you think you can sell a fan base on a rookie HC who has two losing seasons?
It's not about bias, it's about business. And when people start realising the NFL is a business first, things become a lot clearer.
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I doubt it.
Holmgren really went out on a limb to hire Shurmur. He is doing everything he can to help him be successful. Holmgren doesn't want to look bad. People already questioned the hiring of Shurmur, and I would bet that he gets every opportunity to succeed.
This.
I can't believe there is a thread on this already.
Bottom line, we really have no clue how good or bad Shurmur is or will be. This year will add more evidence to that speculation, but the bottom line is NO ONE on this board in whatever profession their careers may lie are able to take a new job and be great at it right away. You know it takes these things called TIME and EXPERIENCE and GROWTH ...
We should see some of that TIME and EXPERIENCE and GROWTH this year based on last year. Will he be a finished product? No. Will we know enough by the end of the year whether he should stick around? I believe it will depend on how good or bad it is.
But come on ... already with this thread?
Please training camp start so we can start reading some camp reports.
It's thoughts like this that make me fear we will run Holmgren and Heckert out of town. I think that will be devastating to this franchise. And I'd like to see if Shurmur can stick as well. As long as it's not Mangini-bad, I'd like to see him afforded some opportunity to succeed. We have really put together an amazing coaching staff and a great FO with Heckert. Now is the time for some continuity ... let these people grow together.
I look at a team like Houston with Kubiak. Several times over the last several years it looked like he could be out of a job. But this stuff takes time to come together. Houston now looks like a they can be a powerhouse for the next 3 or 4 years. Yeah, it took 4 or 5 to get there, but they wouldn't be there right now if they had fired Kubiak. No way.
Give. It. Time.
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Holmgren really went out on a limb to hire Shurmur. He is doing everything he can to help him be successful. Holmgren doesn't want to look bad. People already questioned the hiring of Shurmur, and I would bet that he gets every opportunity to succeed.
Well we just disagree. Holmgren sold this owner a five year plan. If after year four and Shurmers second season we aren't winning?
Who does Holmgren put first?
His legacy in leaving us with a winning record and experienced HC. or Shurmer?
Sometimes it all comes down to the bottom line. He gave Colt every chance to succeed too, but now Colt is looking at fighting for the back-up spot. You don't bite off your nose to spite your face my friend.
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As far as Childress ..... no one is going to hire him to be their head coach while he's sitting at home on the couch. If he helps turn this team around, then he gets his reputation as a guy who knows how to help turn a team around. That's what most teams want when they hire a new head coach.
As I stated earlier, he had a year to land an OC job elsewhere with a nice fat paycheck coming in for another year. He wasn't pressed to take the position here.
And if we lose a lot of games this year but the offense shows steady progress, I believe that's what this FO will want here.....
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Heck I was going to start this thread as soon as they hired Chilli but I waited! 
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Well you obviously are bias and by now we all know what your opinion of the HC is, but to suggest that Chilly was brought here for anything else but to help this team and by that I include the HC is nothing but a story to suit your opinion, but I don't think that we have a back up plan for the HC.
I'm not one bit bias. I don't really care. But I do know how business works. You have a product to sell bottom line. And if you have a rookie HC with two seasons of a dismal record, guess who plays the fall guy?
Seriously, do you think we'll have a winning season with a bunch of raw rookies? Do you think you can sell a fan base on a rookie HC who has two losing seasons?
It's not about bias, it's about business. And when people start realising the NFL is a business first, things become a lot clearer.
Right and there is something to be said for seeing a plan thew.
No I don't expect that we should be a playoff team this year and I also don't think we can or will be as bad of a team that we saw last season.
Two years is just not enough time to turn this team around imo ... considering what he had to start with, but then I've been a Browns fan my whole life and have the patients of a saint. 
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Contrary to popular belief, Chilly did not have another HC offer.
Going to Cleveland made sense, he goes into a system he knows, and with people he knows.
The same happened with Bellyache after he was dumped, same with Romeo.
If Chilly does well, he may get another HC gig.
This is the NFL... which means Not For Long.
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Which is exactly what I'm saying. Holmgren sold Lerner and the fans a "five year plan". This will be year four of that five year plan.
So if we have a below .500 record in year four of that five year plan, who do you feel Holmgren would be more comfortable accomplishing his goal with at the helm?
Unless Shurmer shows some vast improvement to make both Holmgren and the owner, not to mention the fan base a little more at ease, I simply think it would be Childress. At least the record and experience would indicate that.
Holmgren promised success in a five year plan. I don't think his dedication to one man, Shurmer, will stand in the way of his ultimate goal and his legacy.
If Holmgren doesn't deliver in year five, he's wearing egg all over his face. Smart men have a plan and a plan B.
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Well we just disagree. Holmgren sold this owner a five year plan. If after year four and Shurmers second season we aren't winning?
MH got hired at the end of the 2009 season. He let EM coach for one season, then hired Shurmur for this past season. MH has only been here for 2 seasons, after this year it will only be three years.
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Well we just disagree. Holmgren sold this owner a five year plan. If after year four and Shurmers second season we aren't winning?
MH got hired at the end of the 2009 season. He let EM coach for one season, then hired Shurmur for this past season. MH has only been here for 2 seasons, after this year it will only be three years.
Oh sure ... Go ahead and try to dispel a story with facts.
If this team fails then Chilly will have failed too. So let's hire a man who couldn't help us succeed to be our next head Coach. Sounds rather self defeating to me, but what do I know.
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Oh no. If the offense shows steady improvement, Chilli will be seen as successful while the overall team will have failed.
This thread really is kind of funny. When you tell people we had a top 10 defense last year, all you hear is, "It was in garbage time where teams didn't have to score. Everybody in the NFL ran all over us whenever they wanted to."
Phil Taylor is out so the D is weaker than before. Yet somehow now people can't see us scoring 24 points a game by the end of the season and us still be losing games.
The offense can get steadily better and we still have a very poor record. Results? Chilli improved the O and got them on track but the overall team failed.
Say what you will but Holmgren isn't going to go down with Shurmer. I keep hearing that "He fought to bring Shurmer here." How is that? He does the hiring? Couldn't he have signed anyone he so chose to?
And BTW- Who were all the great names he had to choose from that wanted to even come here to coach? It's rather odd how people seem to say that we should improve at every position possible and then exclude the HC position from that.
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Oh no. If the offense shows steady improvement, Chilli will be seen as successful while the overall team will have failed.
This thread really is kind of funny. When you tell people we had a top 10 defense last year, all you hear is, "It was in garbage time where teams didn't have to score. Everybody in the NFL ran all over us whenever they wanted to."
Phil Taylor is out so the D is weaker than before. Yet somehow now people can't see us scoring 24 points a game by the end of the season and us still be losing games.
The offense can get steadily better and we still have a very poor record. Results? Chilli improved the O and got them on track but the overall team failed.
Say what you will but Holmgren isn't going to go down with Shurmer. I keep hearing that "He fought to bring Shurmer here." How is that? He does the hiring? Couldn't he have signed anyone he so chose to?
And BTW- Who were all the great names he had to choose from that wanted to even come here to coach? It's rather odd how people seem to say that we should improve at every position possible and then exclude the HC position from that.
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What he said. Spot ON Pitt.
I think the offense will be better. It would be hard if not impossible for it NOT too..
That said the defense really does stink with or without Taylor.. Fans believe what they want to, but that defense top 10 NO WAY. Nobody tested them because they simply didn't have too.
Think about this: Every single team in the AFCN was a top ten defense including Cincy. Every team in the AFCN made the playoffs but Cleveland..
Add 2+2 and it becomes clear the AFCN had a soft schedule and so they ALL were able to pad their stats. In the case of Pitt and Ravens NO PADDING needed, but Cleveland and Cincy LOTS and LOTS of padding needed...
That's about to change I think? It will go from run all over to thrown all over and run all over.. Gives ya something to look forward to don't it?
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Oh no. If the offense shows steady improvement, Chilli will be seen as successful while the overall team will have failed.
This thread really is kind of funny. When you tell people we had a top 10 defense last year, all you hear is, "It was in garbage time where teams didn't have to score. Everybody in the NFL ran all over us whenever they wanted to."
Phil Taylor is out so the D is weaker than before. Yet somehow now people can't see us scoring 24 points a game by the end of the season and us still be losing games.
The offense can get steadily better and we still have a very poor record. Results? Chilli improved the O and got them on track but the overall team failed.
Say what you will but Holmgren isn't going to go down with Shurmer. I keep hearing that "He fought to bring Shurmer here." How is that? He does the hiring? Couldn't he have signed anyone he so chose to?
And BTW- Who were all the great names he had to choose from that wanted to even come here to coach? It's rather odd how people seem to say that we should improve at every position possible and then exclude the HC position from that.
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I believe your point to be moot (if) the offense shows steady improvement, then how can that be considered a failure on the behalf of the HC/team?
With a young team you tend to lose the close games (they haven't learned how to win yet), so to me improvement is not all about wins and loses.
Coaching can only take a team so far ... The bottom line is your talent base. (if) we improve that, then I believe that the wins will come.
I think that we have improved this teams talent base threw the past 3 Drafts.
I also believe that there is a maturation process in being a HC and like with a rookie player, one year does not make a career.
It's was said that he is a good teacher/communicator when Big Mike hired him. I believe that having an OC will be a great benefit to the him, so that he is free to do what he is said to do best.
You might be correct in your beliefs in the end, but I think that you might be premature in your evaluation of the Coach.
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I'm not attempting to try to juge the coach actually. But a very young team combined with a relatively innexperienced HC does not look like a recipe made in heaven.
I do believe that you only have so long to succeed in this league. Right or wrong I feel Shurmer future here after this season will depend a lot on the W/L record this season.
I do believe that Shurmer could/might end up being a very good NFL HC. However, I don't think MH has a large enough of a window of oppertunity for us to see that here.
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if Holmgren felt that Childress was a better HC than Shurmur, then wouldn't he have just hired him to begin with? Childress wasn't employed at the time when Shurmur was hired afterall.
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A little bit worse (31 wins vs 36 over the first four years) with a little less talent. What's your point?
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I'm not attempting to try to juge the coach actually. But a very young team combined with a relatively innexperienced HC does not look like a recipe made in heaven.
I do believe that you only have so long to succeed in this league. Right or wrong I feel Shurmer future here after this season will depend a lot on the W/L record this season.
I do believe that Shurmer could/might end up being a very good NFL HC. However, I don't think MH has a large enough of a window of oppertunity for us to see that here.
So basically what your saying is that it's a make or break year for Shurmur and it all comes down to wins and loses.
I personally wouldn't go as far as to say that. I think this year is a little to soon and unless he totally screws things up, then I don't see him being caned (after this season).
Just as we can point to the Coach for a dismal season last year or wins and loses this ... I think if this offense shows steady improvement, then he will share in the credit and it will be a feather in his cap and that will weigh in his favor once the season is done and the evaluation begins.
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if Holmgren felt that Childress was a better HC than Shurmur, then wouldn't he have just hired him to begin with? Childress wasn't employed at the time when Shurmur was hired afterall.
Yeah, that's a good point that seems to get lost in this debate.
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If the Browns take a dump, he's first in line for the HC position here.
And I hope I can be first in line for the closest toilet . . .
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If the Browns take a dump, he's first in line for the HC position here.
And I hope I can be first in line for the closest toilet . . .
adn I doubt he's first in line either. wouldn't that be Jauron?
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His immediate future is as OC of the Browns. But if he does well at this, he'll get another HCing job offer. If our offense is amazing but the overall coaching of the team isn't up to par, I could see him stepping up to HC here. But my guess is, he'd get offers from elsewhere.
Childress has a bit of a history coming out of Minn. and not all of it is flattering. Some folks are just better at playing a role instead of leading the charge.
My guess is that with his experience and with his connections, he got more than most OCs got moneywise... And with his friends Shurmur and Heckert in front of him and a top guy he has connections with as well, I see him staying here for quite a while.. Obviously, as long as he's running a successful unit.
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if Holmgren felt that Childress was a better HC than Shurmur, then wouldn't he have just hired him to begin with? Childress wasn't employed at the time when Shurmur was hired afterall.
I'm sure someone will say there was a clause or something preventing a Childress hire. It wouldn't make sense to promote within a failed system if Shurmur doesn't work out.
At minimum Shurmur gets this year and next year to at least see if rebuilding through the draft bears fruit. That would be good business. And this is coming from a fan that couldn't stand his coaching misques last year.
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If the Browns take a dump, he's first in line for the HC position here.
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adn I doubt he's first in line either. wouldn't that be Jauron?
Another good point.
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I know it's been said that our defense last year was "fools gold".
At least we seem to be Drafting players who fit the system that we want and do run. We haven't ignored the DL and that's where you need to start. If you look at the final quarter of last season I think that you can see some progress on the defense (injuries not withstanding).
I think that you can install a new defense faster then you can an offense, but it still takes 11 guys on the field all firing on all cylinders for it to work properly or as designed.
Add rookies to the equation and I think that the process is slowed down and will naturally take a little more time and experience.
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yeah, i'm a bit worried about our defense, but, at the same time, Jauron sure has seemed to get the most out of the group. if he can plug the new hole at DT, get some type of pass rush out of 2nd DE, while helping fix the rush defense with one of the new LBers (plus a healthy Ward), then we'll be in decent shape.
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So yer sayin' there's a chance...
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There are some things most people don't understand,they've never possessed them and never will,honesty,integrity and loyalty.
Being an exjarhead and now a coach Childress has all 3 in spades.He didn't come here to be HC in waiting or to revive his career.He is here because he an honorable man..
But in this country these days an honorable man is considered corny and behide the times,thus he must have an agenda.That allows posters to speculate about his motives.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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He sits out a year, and collects a fat pay, lets his body recover from a brutal work schedule, coaches may not take the hits the players do, but putting in the hours they do can be hell on your body and personal life.
1 Year off seems good, if you go any longer, it could be tough to get back into football. Cleveland is a golden opportunity as you could either take over if Shurmur fails, or if Shurmur succeeds, possibly land another HC job in the league.
It actually sets up nice for him. I do think he is going to be a nice addition for us. I hope Shurmur is the guy though. I don't want another coaching change even if it would be from within.
I do think in the case of a mid-season firing, the team would go to him over Jauron though. I don't think Dick Jauron wants another HC gig. It's all unlikely as I can't see Holmgren and Heckert doing this in the middle of the year.
Having Childress around is going to be huge for Weeden too. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds.
I also don't think Childress is hoping for any kind of Shurmur firing. I think he'd obviously take the job if asked, but I think we can all agree he'd rather land another HC gig by having this thing turned around. You turn around this offense, teams will give you a call for openings. It's just how it works. I know Childress has had his bad press, but I am willing to give him more than a chance, and won't think he's somehow sabotaging this thing for his own good if it doesn't work out.
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yeah, i'm a bit worried about our defense, but, at the same time, Jauron sure has seemed to get the most out of the group. if he can plug the new hole at DT, get some type of pass rush out of 2nd DE, while helping fix the rush defense with one of the new LBers (plus a healthy Ward), then we'll be in decent shape.
It all starts with (my point of the day now) talent and I think that we are starting to develop some talent there.
This year was the year for the Big make over with the offense and a much needed one, but with Haden, Ward, Taylor and Sheard added to DQ and Ruben we are starting to build a good foundation of talent there (key # 6 of 11 starters).
We just need some other guys to step in and step up and players to mature in the system.
Step in and Step up:
Hagg < FS > Adams.
Rucker < RDE > everyone who played there last season.
JMJ < LBer/WIL > replacement for Fujita [suspension] to start with.
My final thought here is that we need someone across from Sheard who can put pressure on the QB.
Parker/Benard? < PRS > N/A
Collectively holding the fort until we get Taylor back will be key, but remember that he too was a rookie last season and that's what we would be replacing (not his potential going forwards).
I haven't even mentioned Gocong who I thought was pretty "steady" @ SAM.
There is Brown/Patterson still a question as to who starts at the other corner across form Haden and who plays in sub packages.
Add to that our depth now that we should have on the DL, DB and LBer.
With all of that said I think that the talent level is getting up to par ... we just need to see it on the field.
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There are no "exjarheads" my friend only Jarheads. No doubt though Chilly has his priorities straight and that's to do the task at hand and to do the job he was hired to do. I think PitDawg is just trying to connect the dots, well because they are there, but as I have already stated I think that they are premature connections 
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There are no "exjarheads" my friend only Jarheads.
Regardless, the closest Childress got was JROTC in high school.
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