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How many do we expect to have this year...

whats our high end expectations? Low end? What do you think we are capable of? Whats our minimum of how many we should have.


I think 7 and higher is where we should expect. As a team 1-3 bounces per game away from 9 wins...we should have 7 with several new parts (that are better) despite the tougher schedule...

What do you all think? Where is our bottom line and what could we reach?

I expect 7.

I would be "okay" with 6

I'd be happy with anything 7 or over.

5 or less, Shurmur should be gone and we should explore if it was a coaching failure or if it's a design flaw.

As I've stated before I think 7 is the safest number.

I think we'll at least do 6 unless locusts hit CBS.

The highest number that I can rationalize is 10.

The rest of the AFC North is going to regress, Pittsburgh potentially in a big way.

I predict we sweep the Steelers this year. Gut feeling.

Or too much habanero pineapple.

Also...

Two teams I like to exceed expectations:

Texans
Buccaneers

Two teams to regress:

Steelers
Seahawks

Looking at that schedule, the stars are aligned for a very ugly season. I'm going to say 8-8, but realistically I think Prisco's prediction will be much more accurate than mine.

On the Steelers:

1. Did you see how many key players/tone setters they lost this year? A lot.

2. New OC Todd Haley and a recommitment to the running game.

3. Roethlisberger is getting older and he's susceptible to injury due to his trying to extend plays. He also has a rookie LT who's not the definition of work ethic.

4. Mendenhall is out for a while and won't be 100 this year.

5. Polamalu's next concussion will be his 9th? Or close to it.

6. Wallace is not getting paid and that has the potential to be a buzz kill.

7. Age is catching up with them at many positions.

I think we're looking at an 8-8 season from them or worse.

I agree that it appears some stars have lined up for a regression.

It just seems they always find a way.

Hope you're right though.

I have no idea what to expect, anyone with any expectations at this point should have their head examined.

New QB, New WR's new OC, there is a lot going on with this team, anything from 1-15 to 10-6 is plausible.

Let's see the first 3 preseason games first..

I'm giving us 3 wins I think there are just to many holes in the dike for us to win against this schedule with this coaching staff...

It amazes me how every year fans pump themselves up because they believe things that just aren't true...

BTTB

I expect two (KC & Bengals), any more will be surprising, 4-6 amazing, 7-9 or more simply unbelievable. GO BROWNS!

Can I watch a few preseason games before giving my prediction?

Obviously I haven't seen one practice or one preseason game, so this is all premature anyways. But looking at the schedule (we play some elite quarterbacks and traditionally solid teams), knowing our inexperience and weaknesses, and knowing our "luck".... I'll be SHOCKED if we have more than 4 wins this season.

Having seen Weeden a lot over the past two seasons I think some are VASTLY overshooting his improvement to our team. He is AWFUL under pressure and can be rattled easily (not a good sign against Pit and Bal). Also, Richardson is definitely an upgrade, but he lacks elite speed which worries me. He will improve our team, but not a great deal.

Our defense desperately needs a 2nd CB (I know we can't address everything in one offseason) and I was very disappointed with Haden's drop off last season. Also, in my opinion Ward is overrated by some and our LBs are below average. Not to mention the loss of Taylor for 5-6 games.

We still aren't very good IMO ... but hopefully I'm wrong.

I'll predict 2-4 wins ... I'll be shocked if it's 5-7 wins ... and anything MORE than 7 is a straight dream IMO

Not since '99 has there been a season where I have less of an idea of where we're headed than this one. There's just too many variables. I don't have a lot of optimism simply because many of those new variables are rookie players. New is good when the old is bad but an overwhelming amount of new usually makes for clumsy and uncoordinated. But I like the pieces. It's just a matter of if it comes together in time to eek out a respectable season. Any more than 6 wins and we head into next off season with a lot of legitimate hope for the future IMO. The myriad implications of 7 or 8 win season would be huge and very heartening indeed. that said:

5-11

Oh and another thing... I've notice the last few seasons that it's usually the same posters predicting 1 to 3 wins that are the most vocally upset and disappointed when their predictions are realized or we even do a slight bit better. Which would indicate they actually had high expectations but are stating them lower to look smart or protect their fragile hearts. What's up with that? Anybody else notice this?

Then I go 9-7 and it's only on paper and I demand the right to revise my thinking after the preseason ends.

Does that make you feel better DC

Our schedule looks pretty rough and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns win 3-4 games. I think we have 3 should win games Indy,Oakland and Cincinnati ( I will be disapointed if we do not at least split with them as I don't think there is much of a gap between the two.) But I am going to say we surprise some teams and go 6-10.

Four on the low end and six on the high end.

Too many rookies and not enough HC experience. Combine those two ingrediants and I think you will not see much improvement in the W/L column.

The only way to tell if it's coaching or a design flaw, is to try a new HC. And that's what I think you'll see in 2013 plus and 8-8 or better record.

With most of the skilled players having a year under their belt and one more draft to tweak both sides of the ball, the future looks much brighter.

But after watching last year, I think the combination of all these rookies in all of these skilled positions, combined with a HC that has very little experience doesn't bode well for this year.

I expect no less than 8 wins and will be disappointed with anything less.

I believe that we won't win more than 4.

Always tough to predict this early...not only because of injury, but also because the Browns are a team with MANY unknows yet...coaching, the entire YOUNG offense and how good is this D really?

This is why I have a big gap between best and worst case:

Best case: 10 wins, IF

- Weeden, TR and Schwartz are all for real and (along with JThomas) remain healthy....Weeden with 3k+, balanced TD/INT ratio, TR with 1.2k+, 4.2+ AVG

- Shurmur and Childress improve the coaching side of the equation

AND

- the D is at least as good as last year (not statistically speaking) and can actually defend a lead too

Worst case: 4 wins

- 2 of Weeden, TR, Schwartz aren't up to NFL speed (most likely BW and Schwartz), thus making the O very 1 dimensional....either way, if 1 of Weeden or TR is good, we'll win some ugly crap fest games like Mangini's memorable 1st win as a Browns HC (the 6-3 vs BUF) or last year's "victory" vs SEA

- the D takes a step back, sophomore slump, injuries (alread a HUGE one with Taylor)

- Coaching isn't much better

Prediction: So, since I think from 4 to 10 wins all is possible, I'll go with the middle of 7. For the sake of this org I hope they reach it, as anything below that could lead to another "bloody" revolution in Berea

19-0 until proved otherwise

I don't believe in the SOS factor. Teams that were great one year, often fall flat the next or at least drop a notch or two. Some that were terrible last year have jumped up to be contenders the next season.

SOS means nothing to me.

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I think 6 or 7 wins is about what I would expect. I could easily see 4 or 5, I think 8 and 8 would be a phenomenal season given our youth.

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This sums up a fairly accurate idea of what I think.

Somewhere between 4 and 7 wins this season.

If Weeden comes out on fire I could see more, but I wouldnt make that kind of prediction just yet.

We have some talent but with young talent momentum is exaggerated. Decent start of at least 3-3 and it could build into something good and a 8 win season is conceivable. Disaster start and well we could see a 3 win season. Now if we get off to a really good start

I do think we match up very well with the Eagles and Bengals, not so well against the Ravens but they could really struggle defensively. I think it was Kendall storm that started the first 4 games thread and those first 4 will probably provide the true direction of the team for the remainder of the season.

i agree SOS has little to do with anything, but there are some factors that we can look at to see our schedule should be more difficult this year.

for instance, we are going to be playing the NFC East instead of West this year. year-over-year they have been better for awhile and a big factor in that is the QBs that start.

last year we faced (from the NFC):
Alex Smith
Charlie Whitehurst
Sam Bradford
John Skelton

this year (from the NFC - barring injuries):
Eli Manning
Tony Romo
Michael Vick
RGIII

I don't think that there is much question this year's schedule will be more difficult (we also saw a TON of backup QBs last year), but there should be great question to how much more difficult as there is always a flux on how good/bad teams are (and even that changes throughout the season based on injuries - see Chicago/Houston/etc. last year).

I'm gonna say 4 wins. But I can see half the 12 losses being coming down to a last minute drive.
but they need to show improvement with offensive game planing and scheme.
Defensive needs to start playing a physical brand thats on par with the Ravens,Bengals and Steelers.

I expect 6 home wins and 3 road wins.

Passing along a quote from my oldest brother:

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Browns training camp opens in five days (Sat). The Browns season ends in 60 days. That is all.

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Unfortunately for us, that is how our seasons have gone for longer than I care to remember.

I expect to see some struggles early, along with some incredibly stupid and frustrating mistakes that will cost us wins.

However, I do expect that the team will improve as the season goes along. I suspect that we will win somewhere between 6-7 games, probably 4-5 of them in the second half.

Well, since no one is ever held accountable for predictions and nothing happens to you if you are wrong I will go on record with 9-7.

The reason is quite simple just the thought of another losing season makes me puke.

Don't misunderstand. That is what I expect. Not what I think will be.

I look at a few things that play to our advantage.

Look at our potential starters on offense. Brandon Weeden, Trent Richardson, Joe Thomas, Jason Pinkston, Alex Mack, Shaun Lauvao, Mitchell Schwartz, Greg Little, Josh Gordon (no faith in MoMass), Josh Cooper/Jordan Norwood (think Cooper's familiarity will win him snaps), and Travis Benjamin, Ben Watson, Evan Moore/Jordan Cameron/Alex Smith

There is almost NO tape on that. You can study our vanilla WCO from last year but we're not gonna follow that plan. Weeden and TRich provide an incredibly different dynamic, and our WRs have very little tape on them. This can almost signle handedly sneak us a couple of early season wins because if they execute effectively, teams wont have anything to lean on in defense.

In addition, early wins are something that can lead to later wins with confidence and smart coaching mixing things up.

We are a big unknown because of all the new parts and the first offseason for the new coaches. This affords us the ability to be VERY unpredictable, and that makes us dangerous, and leads us to wins.


I think 7 is a good number to expect. I think as long as we win more than 3 and our staff doesnt look incompetent we'll avoid a coaching change.

Our potential hamstrings are that our run D was not very good last year and we're down our 2nd best run defender in Taylor. Also we didnt create many turnovers, but thats something Jauron specializes in so I expect that to change (and could lead to Sheldon Brown's ouster with Wade, Skrine, and Patterson's relative youth) but its not something we've proven we can do. Our LBs are iffy, cept if JMJ takes over the weak side LB spot i think it'll actually become a strength. Gocong looked very good on the strong side, DQ is a beast in the middle, and JMJ would be great on the weak side starting (Thanks Scott).

So our biggest issues on D (well 2 of 3) can improve quickly thanks to Jauron. Our run D i think will continue to be an issue because thats Jauron's biggest weakness. While Rucker and another year for Sheard will help, i think itll still be a struggle for us.

Regardless, i think we will be a ball control style offense with quick strike ability because Weeden, Gordon, Little, Benjamin and Cooper know how to get to the end zone in a hurry from their respective spots.

That says to me a 7 win team in all. In addition, Phil coming back later in the season is gonna be a huge boost in keeping our rookies and other DLers fresh.