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Dude, seriously, do you NOT understand it was not glenn beck's video? Honestly? You can't discuss the guys own video because of where the link comes from? Honestly?????
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I was gonna post this days ago but I don't start many threads but figured it would make its way on here. This is flat out ridiculous. All the guy said was he supports the Bibles traditional marriage and doesn't support gay marriage. This is his right.
How about Amazon giving 2.5 million for the advancement for gay rights. How come this wasn't protested for their beliefs?
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I'm not sure what prevents them from realizing we can NOT understand their sexual orientation, NOT condone it taught at school as a perfectly normal alternative
This whole controversy is ridiculous from all sides. Your post is as well, though. Sure, you can decide not to understand their sexual orientation, but what is there not to understand other than plugging your ears and screaming to yourselves and others, "It's a choice!" Some people are gay, bi, or transgender. I get that the thought of gay relationships and sex bring about disgust to much of the general public- but whose fault is that?
Not condone it taught in school as a perfectly normal alternative? Just under ten percent of the population identifies as gay- in a large nation of some three hundred million (or whatever the current is)- that's not exactly a small chunk of change. There are many children in this country and throughout the world raised by lesbian, gay, and bisexual parents which social science research shows the kids' psychosocial development similar to those of straight parents. Basically what I'm getting at with this, is that in schools- which more or less just aim to prepare kids' readiness/adaptability for the workforce (let's not call it genuine education)- why should it be taught otherwise? There's nothing illegal about it and there's no victims. What are exactly are you inferring with that statement? That schools should tell kids, "You can't be queer. So even if you possess homoerotic attraction, suck it up and mingle with the opposite sex."
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yet still accept them as fellow human beings, care about them and love them as friends and family.
You don't treat people you love as second class in regards to their taxing status or spousal-healthcare eligibility. Anti-gay rhetoric uses this a bunch but it's pretty much just lip service to cover up the hostility and rejection thrown towards the LGBT community's way, IMO.
People do have a right to free speech and their opinion, though. The one "gent" in that video stupidly taking his frustrations out on the drive-through clerk is pathetic. It still doesn't paint a picture of a people as a whole. Mobilization against CFA makes sense along the lines of, "I'm not forwarding my dollars to an entity that openly supports and funds bigotry and discrimination," but a same-sex kiss day can only kick a hornet's nest. It'll be a small minority of the minority doing it- the silent majority just want equality without the excess vitriol and outward confrontation- but the fringe has already done some damage to some's perception of the LGBT community (even if that is irrational on others' parts). When there was an uproar about Target funding anti-gay marriage politicians, it made sense because most of their consumer base was progressive and didn't stand for it. Target responded to it's consumers. Here, CFA has a consumer base who will be emboldened by this. It doesn't improve the quality of their food nor downgrade it, but it's a separate base of consumers they're sparking. There's better uses of time for the gay movement then to spend it over fast-food.
One last thing, I know plenty of folks see this is Chick-fil-A "taking a stand for what they think's right", but let's not act like they're donning some sort of cape of martyr-ship. Cathy knew there was money to be made here- like with being closed on Sunday (which seems to contradict logic but they're aware as a company in terms of public perception the positive implications from that)- and pounded his chest, "We are very much supportive of the family - the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that,". So CFA- just like Huckabee and his "Support Chick-fil-A Day" and Fox calling it a "movement" that it is "Awakening a Sleeping Giant- are whores in the house, too. Just different music and outfits is all.
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How about Amazon giving 2.5 million for the advancement for gay rights. How come this wasn't protested for their beliefs?
Because their beliefs (and donations) don't call for a restriction on the equal rights of others?
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Because their beliefs (and donations) don't call for a restriction on the equal rights of others?
Then you get the crowd which says others are collectively spitting on their moral beliefs.
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and Jordan is famous for the quote: "Republicans buy shoes too"
That actually popped into my head the first time I read about this guy's statement.
It wasn't a surprise, as I know the chain is religious and all ... but it's not exactly a boon for business to say 'Hey, I'm a bigot!'
More power to him, though. It's his company, his right to express his opinion. In the end, he'll lose customers over it, and probably get a few people in line with his bigoted beliefs who buy an extra sandwich or two.
As for trying to keep the chain out of Chicago, that's ridiculous. It's understandable if the company didn't serve or hire gays, but that's not the case at all.
saying you do not support gay marriage doesn't make you a bigot
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Just curious. Do you believe the people who were against interracial marriage were bigots?
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Just curious. Do you believe the people who were against interracial marriage were bigots?
No. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Now if a restaurant would refuse to serve an interracial couple that would be something I would have a problem with.
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I'm not sure what prevents them from realizing we can NOT understand their sexual orientation, NOT condone it taught at school as a perfectly normal alternative, NOT enjoy them parading around semi nude and yet still accept them as fellow human beings, care about them and love them as friends and family. I believe that's most folks thoughts.
I don't understand you either and probably wouldn't like a number of things you do, but I also don't want to tell you how you should live.
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Just curious. Do you believe the people who were against interracial marriage were bigots?
No. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Now if a restaurant would refuse to serve an interracial couple that would be something I would have a problem with.
Would you have a problem with a state or federal government that refused to recognize the marriage of a gay or interracial couple?
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Just curious. Do you believe the people who were against interracial marriage were bigots?
No. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Now if a restaurant would refuse to serve an interracial couple that would be something I would have a problem with.
Would you have a problem with a state or federal government that refused to recognize the marriage of a gay or interracial couple?
what does it matter what I believe. If you haven't followed other things I've posted in the past as I have yours, I am a verrrrry conservative Christian. Now what do you think I support! Can you figure it out. I follow the Bible which you do not. Why do you ask these Stupid questions??
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DAN CATHY FOR PRESIDENT!!!
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Just curious. Do you believe the people who were against interracial marriage were bigots?
In what era? I mean, I'm 60.. when I was young, I noticed my parents and thier friends didn't seem to care much for interracial relationships. But for the most part, I never heard my mom or dad say anything other than they don't care for it. Is that being a bigot? or was that just them expressing an opinion?
Now had Mom and Dad stood outside those couples houses with white sheets with pointy hats,, then, to me, yeah, that's bigotry. (not a big fan of the KKK but I bet you guessed that already)
Far as I'm concerned, the heart wants what the heart wants. I don't have any right to tell anyone how or who to love.
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I feel exactly as your parents did. Not saying I'm right it's just my opinion.
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It's not a stupid question at all.
I agree that you having an opinion isn't bigotry. But you trying to force your opinion onto other's lives, when it doesn't effect you one bit... that's bigotry.
You said you would have a problem with a restaurant refusing to serve an interracial couple. But yet you don't have a problem with a government refusing to recognize a gay or interracial marriage?
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Again this goes back to the bible. Jesus told the adultress he would not accuse her., but he told her to go your way and sin no more.. This does not mean he was accepting of the sin
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Again, you are totally within your rights to have your beliefs. That's fine.
But it's a problem when you want to force them onto others.
Two people in love getting married does not effect your life at all. Nothing is forced upon you. You are free to disapprove.
Our laws are not based on or dictated by religion, nor should they be.
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I feel exactly as your parents did. Not saying I'm right it's just my opinion.
Is your belief against interracial marriage rooted in the bible also?
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Again this goes back to the bible. Jesus told the adultress he would not accuse her., but he told her to go your way and sin no more.. This does not mean he was accepting of the sin
There is a reason that Church and state need to stay out of each others way......
I have no problem with Islam,, I have problem with any religion really. Just the extremists from those religions.
I'm catholic.. Catholics don't believe in certain things. I don't believe that catholics should force thier opinions on others and I don't think the Government should base decisions on what Catholics believe.
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I feel exactly as your parents did. Not saying I'm right it's just my opinion.
Is your belief against interracial marriage rooted in the bible also?
No. Don't think I've ever seen anything in the bible against it. Just like you said your parents said I just don't care for
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, some people would think that was racist. But I'm not going to burn any crosses anyone's front yard
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What is your problem with interracial relationships? And how could one NOT consider it as being rooted in racism?
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I gave up the fast food burger type joints about 2 years ago. I have made an exception 3 times. Once was driving back from Myrtle Beach, everyone was starving, and the lead car found a Wendy's in the middle of nowhere and pulled in. So I had to eat it.
The other 2 times were for a Chi-Fil-A sandwich. That stuff is like crack on a bun.
If someone is gay, whatever. That's their thing. But to boycott this place because the owner has firm religious beliefs that is against gay marriage is absurd. It's hypocritical when you think about it. The fact that some of these groups get their panties in a wad, then have to make it some sort of demonstration because someone doesn't agree with them is what irks me about them.
There are people who work there who are earning a living, working a job. If you don't like their food, don't go there. But to seriously try to attract negative attention towards the place, place pictures of gays kissing on the internet there, etc. is borderline juvenile.
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If someone is gay, whatever. That's their thing. But to boycott this place because the owner has firm religious beliefs that is against gay marriage is absurd. It's hypocritical when you think about it. The fact that some of these groups get their panties in a wad, then have to make it some sort of demonstration because someone doesn't agree with them is what irks me about them.
As long as you have that same take on anyone owning a business and publicly stating that their religion fuels their need to make sure that those beliefs prohibit a segment of society from attaining something it is seeking. If his religion was against white, heterosexual people marrying, my guess is that you might feel differently about frequenting the restaurant.  Hypocrisy is working strongly on both sides of this matter.
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The Shakers are back!?!? Actually I don't think they had a problem with marriage, just consummating it.
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For me, boycotting CFA has NOTHING to do really with their owners stance. He's welcome to it. I boycotted them years ago because I think their food sucks. Seriously. I've been twice, and both times, the sandwiches were dry as plaster and tasted like it too and the lemonade was bitter...not tart, bitter. Terrible! And that was from two different locations, about 18 months apart.
That said, even of I liked their food, my problem isn't with what Dan Cathy said. He is absolutely entitled to his opinion and he's free to express it. My problem comes when I know he's giving my money to support a cause I don't believe in. so, by not eating there, he's not giving my money to that cause. I'm also not supporting his craptastic food.
I'm also curious about people who follow the Bible...do they follow ALL, or just pick and choose? Leviticus is full of things people aren't supposed to do: eat shellfish, get tattoos, shave, touch anything a woman having her period has touched as well as stating a man laying with another man as he would a woman being an "abomination"
My guess, Dan Cathy eats shrimp, and lobster, and crab...all forbidden by the same book in the Bible as is often quoted to be used against gays. He's also very clean shaven, and I'll bet he and his wife share (or shared, not idea if she menopausal you know) a bed while shes considered unclean. Like I said, it's a guess. Perhaps he does literally follow the whole Bible, but just based on his clean shaven face, I'd guess not. I'd guess he's picked what he likes best in Bible and ignored other parts.
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Wow ..... I have been to numerous Chick-Fil-As from the Cleveland area to Pittsburgh ...... to Columbus, to Tennessee .... and I have never had a bad sandwich. They are always hot, juicy, and delicious.
Everyone is entitled to spend their money with any company they choose. I would try to keep track of all of the liberals, and who supports liberal causes, but if I boycotted them all I could never watch a movie ...... couldn't watch most network news ....... and so on.
I also wonder if those who find Chick-Fil-A to be "hateful" for the owner's stance on gay marriage will also be protesting Black Churches who have come out strongly against gay marriage? I wonder if the Governors and Mayors who want to ban Chick-Fil-A from coming into their cities will also "vet" Black Churches before they will be allowed to open?
Of course not. That wouldn't carry forward a political narrative that certain people want to try to create that it's only "evil Republicans" who want to stop gays from marrying. I challenge anyone to go into most inner city Black Churches and ask them if you can have their congregation sign a petition legalizing gay marriage. Lemme know how that works out.
I have no problem with civil unions for gay people, and anyone else who wants to be legally joined under a civil and legal standard that would offer the same benefits and responsibilities as marriage. However, marriage is not a Constitutional matter. It is a legal matter, based upon a traditional and religious basis. I am against changing the meaning of the word marriage. I am all for equal and legal civil unions for those who choose a union outside of the traditional and religious meaning and history of the word.
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What is your problem with interracial relationships? And how could one NOT consider it as being rooted in racism?
As damanshot said about his parents I just don't like it but I wouldn't condemn anyone for it. I just don't think it's right putting children through the racism that they will have to endure. It might surprise you but I'm not racist. I have a lot of friends that are black. One is even married to a white woman
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For me, boycotting CFA has NOTHING to do really with their owners stance. He's welcome to it. I boycotted them years ago because I think their food sucks. Seriously. I've been twice, and both times, the sandwiches were dry as plaster and tasted like it too and the lemonade was bitter...not tart, bitter. Terrible! And that was from two different locations, about 18 months apart.
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That said, even of I liked their food, my problem isn't with what Dan Cathy said. He is absolutely entitled to his opinion and he's free to express it. My problem comes when I know he's giving my money to support a cause I don't believe in. so, by not eating there, he's not giving my money to that cause. I'm also not supporting his craptastic food.
I'm also curious about people who follow the Bible...do they follow ALL, or just pick and choose? Leviticus is full of things people aren't supposed to do: eat shellfish, get tattoos, shave, touch anything a woman having her period has touched as well as stating a man laying with another man as he would a woman being an "abomination"
My guess, Dan Cathy eats shrimp, and lobster, and crab...all forbidden by the same book in the Bible as is often quoted to be used against gays. He's also very clean shaven, and I'll bet he and his wife share (or shared, not idea if she menopausal you know) a bed while shes considered unclean. Like I said, it's a guess. Perhaps he does literally follow the whole Bible, but just based on his clean shaven face, I'd guess not. I'd guess he's picked what he likes best in Bible and ignored other parts.
Old testament is exactly what it says old. The New Testament did away with the Old. Now I know you will think that is cherry picking but it's the truth. The Old Testament is the Jewish Law, the New Testament is the Christian faith. We are no longer subject to the Old. Now there are still good things in the Old but they were carried over to the New.
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I was completely underwhelmed by my experience with CFA. Honestly though, I just don't do fast food much anymore, maybe once per month. And usually, it's because I really want a greasy burger....red meat! LOL! I don't find Cathy's comments to be hateful, just hypocritical. As I do with most things when people start spouting off about the Bible, since they don't often follow it all, just pick and choose which parts they choose to follow. Why choose to follow one passage from the book of Leviticus, but not all of them? Maybe, some day, down the road, I'll give CFA another try. But, with my past there and the fact that I usually want a burger on the one time a month I eat fast food, I wouldn't say a trip to CFA is coming anytime soon for me. 
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For me, boycotting CFA has NOTHING to do really with their owners stance. He's welcome to it. I boycotted them years ago because I think their food sucks. Seriously. I've been twice, and both times, the sandwiches were dry as plaster and tasted like it too and the lemonade was bitter...not tart, bitter. Terrible! And that was from two different locations, about 18 months apart.
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That said, even of I liked their food, my problem isn't with what Dan Cathy said. He is absolutely entitled to his opinion and he's free to express it. My problem comes when I know he's giving my money to support a cause I don't believe in. so, by not eating there, he's not giving my money to that cause. I'm also not supporting his craptastic food.
I'm also curious about people who follow the Bible...do they follow ALL, or just pick and choose? Leviticus is full of things people aren't supposed to do: eat shellfish, get tattoos, shave, touch anything a woman having her period has touched as well as stating a man laying with another man as he would a woman being an "abomination"
My guess, Dan Cathy eats shrimp, and lobster, and crab...all forbidden by the same book in the Bible as is often quoted to be used against gays. He's also very clean shaven, and I'll bet he and his wife share (or shared, not idea if she menopausal you know) a bed while shes considered unclean. Like I said, it's a guess. Perhaps he does literally follow the whole Bible, but just based on his clean shaven face, I'd guess not. I'd guess he's picked what he likes best in Bible and ignored other parts.
Old testament is exactly what it says old. The New Testament did away with the Old.
Where does the New Testament discuss gay marriage?
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I was completely underwhelmed by my experience with CFA. Honestly though, I just don't do fast food much anymore, maybe once per month. And usually, it's because I really want a greasy burger....red meat! LOL!
I don't find Cathy's comments to be hateful, just hypocritical. As I do with most things when people start spouting off about the Bible, since they don't often follow it all, just pick and choose which parts they choose to follow. Why choose to follow one passage from the book of Leviticus, but not all of them?
Maybe, some day, down the road, I'll give CFA another try. But, with my past there and the fact that I usually want a burger on the one time a month I eat fast food, I wouldn't say a trip to CFA is coming anytime soon for me.
Babe, we're spoiled living in the Falls. If I want a good burger, I'll make my way to Swenson's  
BTW, I had a chicken sandwich at that new Retro Dog place and it was pretty good if you ever need a chicken sandwich place and don't feel like making a long drive to Cleveland to get one.
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Then why still have the Ten Commandments mentioned in church? Those are Old Testament last time I checked, yet every church which says it follows the teachings of the New Testament and not the Old, still uses those Commandments. Again, picking and choosing.
I have no problems with the Ten Commandments, they're good rules to live by, just trying to understand how people pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow.
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Love me some Swenson's. Sorta iffy on Retrodog. I didn't care for the Retrodog (coney dog), but I'm willing to give that place another try. Maybe I'll try the chicken next time.
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I think that's one of my biggest problems with politicians taking stances on this whole thing like the Boston politician. It's interesting to see how they pick their battles. Could you imagine if he told the Catholic Church to not start any more churches in Boston? He would get tarred and feathered. But Catholicism is pretty much in line with what Cathy believes in this instance.
I also have a problem with the other side going out of their way to show support for someone's personal belief in this issue. If the owner of Burger King revealed he was anti-abortion, I wouldn't feel more inclined to go to Burger King. I think it's just better to believe what they want to believe, discuss beliefs, and be tolerant of each other's beliefs. At the end of the day I will neither scorn nor promote a corporate entity because of its owner's personal beliefs.
In one way or another, we have a fluid economy. If I spend money at chick Fil a, i could see it that they will donate money to a cause, or I could see it that they will hire another worker, start another franchise, possibly even pay gay workers who work for them that will use that money to get married.
I just think this whole thing has gotten way out of hand.
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I must say by the way, Swenson's has the best burger I have ever tasted.
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If you need exact vs I will look it up for you later. Busy now but it's there
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You need to read the whole Bible to understand it. I don't follow all the Ten Commandments. I don't keep the Sabbath which is Saturday because the New did away with the Old. All of the commandments are not mentioned in the New. This is not picking and choosing. You have to read the whole Bible and study to understand it.
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