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Here is the audio of Adam speaking with the forks here in cleveland on the radio a short while ago
It details a few things that now make sense.
http://www.stationcaster.com/stations/wk...-1343923183.mp3
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Randy Lerner is proof having more money than God doesn't make you a astute football owner. Randy simply was able to pay off mistakes. No biggie.
But that was just it, Randy made hiring mistake on top of the other.
They are ready to throw him in the Thames River.
This new owner comes from a model franchise. He has a clue.
Randy never did.
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Cleveland Browns' sale could end Mike Holmgren era14 By Gregg Rosenthal Around The League editor Published: Aug. 2, 2012 at 12:40 p.m. Updated: Aug. 2, 2012 at 01:27 p.m. Print The Cleveland Browns have been sold by Randy Lerner to Jimmy Haslam. Browns fans will be happy that a new era is on the way, but the move raises a lot of questions. We hope to provide answers. Jimmy Haslam has been a minority investor in the Pittsburgh Steelers, but Randy Lerner completed a sale of the Cleveland Browns on Thursday to the Tennessee businessman. Jimmy Haslam has been a minority investor in the Pittsburgh Steelers, but Randy Lerner completed a sale of the Cleveland Browns on Thursday to the Tennessee businessman. (Pilot Flying J/Associated Press) 1. When will the sale be officially official? NFL owners still have to vote to approve the sale. That is expected to take place by October. Haslam also must sell his minority stake in the Pittsburgh Steelers. 2. What will happen to Browns president Mike Holmgren? Holmgren admitted to the press that his future is up in the air. NFL Network reported that former Philadelphia Eagles president Joe Banner will be part of Haslam's management group. It's hard to imagine Banner and Holmgren co-existing. Holmgren had more organizational power than any non-owner personnel guy in the NFL, save perhaps Bill Belichick and Andy Reid. It seems like a matter of when -- not if -- Holmgren will be gone. It wouldn't be totally shocking if he were no longer with the team before the end of the 2012 season. 3. How about coach Pat Shurmur and general manager Tom Heckert? Shurmur should coach the Browns this year. After that, all bets are off. Shurmur and Heckert have worked under Banner before, which certainly can't hurt their chances of sticking long-term. But we suspect Shurmur will have to win a surprising amount of games this year (eight or more) to keep his job with new ownership in town. That's usually how these things go. (No matter what ownership says on Day 1.) The coaches of the NFL weigh in on a number of hot-button topics in the league, including Andrew Luck vs. RG3, Tim Tebow, challenge flag etiquette, the Packers' QB tree and the 2012 Hall of Fame class. It's easier to imagine Heckert sticking around even if Holmgren leaves. 4. Should Browns fans be excited? It's a great thing long-term for the Browns to have an owner who will be more involved in the day-to-day running of the team after the Lerners' forgettable tenure. (They twice had a winning record in 13 years. They haven't won more than six games since Derek Anderson's year in the sun.) In the next year or three, yet another rebuild is not a good thing.The impending sale makes life very tough on Shurmur and the current Browns. If the Browns have a new coach in 2013, it's very possible he won't be a Brandon Weeden fan. It's possible the defense will switch back from a 4-3 group to a 3-4 unit once again. The Browns start over every two to three years. It's going to happen again. 5. What else are we forgetting? Perhaps this change will improve Jim Brown's relationship with the organization he helped make famous. We hope so. web page
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Me too ... why? because I think that this team has been (is being) built off of a proven model for success.
The guy has made mistakes, they're well known with most of us fans, but who doesn't make mistakes? Bill Belichik has blown many draft picks. It's the nature of the business. The things he has done well though? I think that outweighs the bad by a lot. I like the guy. I like how fast he flipped an old roster to the youngest in the NFL. How he turned one high draft pick into many high draft picks which eventually turned into a starting QB, FB, WR and DT. All will be starters (although PT is currently recovering from injury) That's actually pretty amazing when you think about it.
After his first two drafts, going into the 3rd one, I honestly for the first time in a long time, did not feel worried that we were somehow going to blow this draft. I feel great about this group of players coming in.
I think to dump him simply because you have to have your guy in place is kind of silly. There are many teams that'd be calling for his services if you cut him loose.
If you want to get rid of Holmgren? No issues there. I have no problem with him, but I'm a football fan who wants my football team to be good. Heckert is the main artery to that.
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Me too ... why? because I think that this team has been (is being) built off of a proven model for success.
The guy has made mistakes, they're well known with most of us fans, but who doesn't make mistakes? Bill Belichik has blown many draft picks. It's the nature of the business. The things he has done well though? I think that outweighs the bad by a lot. I like the guy. I like how fast he flipped an old roster to a new one. How he turned a high draft pick into many high draft picks which eventually turned into a starting QB, FB, WR and DT. All will be starters (although PT is currently recovering from injury) That's actually pretty amazing when you think about it.
Honestly after his first two drafts, going into the 3rd one, I honestly for the first time in a long time, did not feel worried that we were somehow going to blow this draft. I feel great about this group of players coming in.
I think to dump him simply because you have to have your guy in place is kind of silly. There are many teams that'd be calling for his services if you cut him loose.
If you want to get rid of Holmgren? No issues there. I have no problem with him, but I'm a football fan who wants my football team to be good. Heckert is the main artery to that.
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If Brandon Weeden blows up on the scene, or at least starts to get "it" by the end of the year, and Richardon is clowning defensive players, other guys start stepping up, and this team gets out of the 4-5 win range, I think the case is made that Heckert should stay, and not on a Mangini pity-party 1 year deal. He stays and that's it. Whoever comes in as president will just have to deal with that.
What if they win 10 games? You couldn't even think of getting rid of him!
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If Brandon Weeden blows up on the scene, or at least starts to get "it" by the end of the year, and Richardon is clowning defensive players, other guys start stepping up, and this team gets out of the 4-5 win range, I think the case is made that Heckert should stay, and not on a Mangini pity-party 1 year deal. He stays and that's it. Whoever comes in as president will just have to deal with that.
What if they win 10 games? You couldn't even think of getting rid of him!
Not to mention that there is but a hand full of people in the business that can hold a candle to him.
Think of the possibilities of having Heckert since 99 and how different our recent history might have been.
I consider myself a student of the game and the Draft game included and I can honestly say that I don't think even 'in retrospect' I could have done better on the scouting end of his job, but he also I think has set this team up for a good foundation cap wise going forward too.
We always seemed to ignore the OL and DL's during our past regimes drafts.
Often opting to go for the quick fix with an over the hill veteran FA or two or three. Add to that and compounding the issue, by drafting questionable talent and in many cases talent that did not fit our needs and or system.
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In 2010 Lerner, Holmgren and Heckert identified one of the root causes for the franchise's past failures...it is CHANGE...CONSTANT CHANGE...too much change, too often... every 2 or 3 years a new QB or a new headcoach or a new offensive or defensive coordinator with a new playbook for the players to learn.
So Lerner identified it in 2010 yet created what could be the most sweeping changes in our franchise since 99 only two short years later?
It sounds like all he identified was it was time to take the money and run!
I'm with you to the point that I don't believe sweeping changes are needed either. But the fact of the matter is, what we feel, believe or think is of no matter at this jucture.
The only opinion that will matter, are the guys singning the 900+ million dollar check......
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I still think the only guy out will be holmgren (maybe some minors guys in the front office as well)
Banner will run the show. Heckert and his staff are probably safe.
Shurmur and his staff has to win or they'd be out. which might have occurred even without the sale of the team.. so nothing much is new there.
Players,,, if they play well, they'll have a job, if they don't, they won't. Nothing new there.
the Problem that comes into play is this. If we don't improve enough to keep Shurmur and his staff,, We'll we get another WCO type coach or will we change everything again.
Wouldn't it be funny if Holmgren ended up being VP/HC LOL
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I don't really think you can get anyone better than Heckert at his position. If they're out there, they're already taken.
I could see Holmgren gone and Shurmer on the hot seat with this season going a long way in determining his future.
But that is what HC's get paid to do...... WIN!
It's not like being an NFL HC is some mid-level management training program. So I really don't fault anyone if he's shown the door at the end of this season if things don't turn around.
You have winning or you have excuses at this point. And people determined to succeed simply don't accept excuses IMO.
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I don't really think you can get anyone better than Heckert at his position. If they're out there, they're already taken.
I could see Holmgren gone and Shurmer on the hot seat with this season going a long way in determining his future.
But that is what HC's get paid to do...... WIN!
It's not like being an NFL HC is some mid-level management training program. So I really don't fault anyone if he's shown the door at the end of this season if things don't turn around.
You have winning or you have excuses at this point. And people determined to succeed simply don't accept excuses IMO.
didn't I just say that? LOL
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the Problem that comes into play is this. If we don't improve enough to keep Shurmur and his staff,, We'll we get another WCO type coach or will we change everything again.
I don't think anyone can say one way or the other. But I do look for indicators. Shurmer, Childress and the new owner all have Philly connections from the same basic style of O. So if any changes are made, I wouldn't see them being major ones.
Everything being equal, they all have some experience from a very similar system as what we run. So the indications I percieve is there wouldn't be any sweeping changes in the O scheme anyway. And doesn't Philly run the 4-3? Or did at that time?
I'll have to look into that.
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I don't really think you can get anyone better than Heckert at his position. If they're out there, they're already taken.
I could see Holmgren gone and Shurmer on the hot seat with this season going a long way in determining his future.
But that is what HC's get paid to do...... WIN!
It's not like being an NFL HC is some mid-level management training program. So I really don't fault anyone if he's shown the door at the end of this season if things don't turn around.
You have winning or you have excuses at this point. And people determined to succeed simply don't accept excuses IMO.
didn't I just say that? LOL
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the Problem that comes into play is this. If we don't improve enough to keep Shurmur and his staff,, We'll we get another WCO type coach or will we change everything again.
I don't think anyone can say one way or the other. But I do look for indicators. Shurmer, Childress and the new owner all have Philly connections from the same basic style of O. So if any changes are made, I wouldn't see them being major ones.
Everything being equal, they all have some experience from a very similar system as what we run. So the indications I percieve is there wouldn't be any sweeping changes in the O scheme anyway. And doesn't Philly run the 4-3? Or did at that time?
I'll have to look into that.
The answer is yes (only a different 43 scheme) and we are building from the same basic model as what help build the Eagles.
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It sounds like all he identified was it was time to take the money and run!
Forget the football side for a sec-it was a good BUSINESS decision- his dad bought/rebuilt the Browns for $300mil now Randy sold it for $900 mil + and STILL got to keep 30% (the orig. $300 mil) and when they win he will sell out for more maybe $400 mil AND take credit for keeping the Browns in Cleveland! I wish i could do that!
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Al Lerner bought the team for $530 million, and Randy doesn't get to keep any % of ownership after four years.
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I don't really think you can get anyone better than Heckert at his position. If they're out there, they're already taken.
I could see Holmgren gone and Shurmer on the hot seat with this season going a long way in determining his future.
But that is what HC's get paid to do...... WIN!
It's not like being an NFL HC is some mid-level management training program. So I really don't fault anyone if he's shown the door at the end of this season if things don't turn around.
You have winning or you have excuses at this point. And people determined to succeed simply don't accept excuses IMO.
didn't I just say that? LOL
Ya know....I've read what you both said and I'd like to add in my own personal opinion.
I don't really think you can get anyone better than Heckert at his position. If they're out there, they're already taken.
I could see Holmgren gone and Shurmer on the hot seat with this season going a long way in determining his future.
But that is what HC's get paid to do...... WIN!
It's not like being an NFL HC is some mid-level management training program. So I really don't fault anyone if he's shown the door at the end of this season if things don't turn around.
You have winning or you have excuses at this point. And people determined to succeed simply don't accept excuses IMO.
There, I said it.
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How was is not good on the football side?
We won about 35% of our games under Lerner. Personally, I'm excited to see someone who helped build and run a very successful company can come in and run the Browns. And if he brings in Banner, I'm even more excited.
you had a good run Hank.
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New owner Haslam to be in town Friday BEREA -- Browns new owner Jimmy Haslam III will watch practice and be introduced to Cleveland in a press conference here on Friday, a league source said. The sale of the team from Randy Lerner to the Tennesee businessman is set to be approved by the owners in October. At this time, no special meeting has been called by Commissioner Roger Goodell to approve the sale earlier. The deal was finalized today, a league source confirmed for the Plain Dealer. League spokesman Greg Aiello said "it's possible,'' but premature to discuss a special meeting. A vote of 3/4 of the owners is required. Haslam, who will purchase the team for more than $1 billion according to ESPN's Adam Schefter, will initially own 70% and Lerner 30%. Haslam will then buy Lerner's shares, a source said told the Plain Dealer. The AP reported that will happen on the fourth anniversary of the closing date. Haslam, who's been a minority owner of the Steelers since 2008, has long wanted to own a football team, and got a taste of it being part-owner of the Steelers. Before Haslam was even permitted to enter into negotiations with Lerner, he had to agree that he wouldn't move the team out of Cleveland. The Browns are also tied to a 30-year lease through 2029 with Cleveland Browns Stadium. Haslam, CEO of Pilot Flying-J Travel Centers, will not make any decisions on Browns President Mike Holmgren or other staff members until he takes over. The Plain Dealer reported that former Eagles President Joe Banner will join Haslam in Cleveland, but Banner has declined to comment and league sources have questioned whether or not that will actually transpire. On Wednesday, Holmgren told the Plain Dealer "I hope I have the opportunity to sit down with (Haslam) at some point and tell him what a fine job the people in this building are doing.'' Haslam will first have to divest of his Steelers shares, an estimated 10%-16%, but that won't be an issue. The NFL's finance committee will then meet to recommend approval of the sale, but Haslam already passed the NFL's rigorous standards when he purchased his Steelers' interest. Lerner's sale of the Browns transpired rather quickly, with the two parties communicating for the first time within the last 45 days. Haslam, 57, is expected to be a visible and involved owner, and will spend time both here and in his hometown of Knoxville, Tenn. where Pilot is headquartered. Browns coach Pat Shurmur said today that the sale will not affect the football team's performance this season. "I have no fear,'' said Shurmur. "I have no fear about any of that because I trust my coaches, I trust the players and I’ve watched the work they’ve done based on the conversation of this last week. I’ve watched the work that they’re doing and I have no fear. I think we’re moving full steam ahead. That doesn’t bother me one bit at this point at this point. My concern is getting this team ready to play and our players understand that message and they are doing a good job.'' The following is Haslam's Pilot Flying J bio: James A. Haslam III, a Knoxville native, joined Pilot Corporation in 1976, a company his father, James A. Haslam II founded in 1958. During Haslam’s career, Pilot Travel Centers has grown its annual gallon sales from approximately 125 million to 8 billion. In addition, the company has grown its network from 7 states in the Southeast to 43 states in the US and 6 Canadian provinces with over 600 travel centers and travel plazas. Today, Pilot Flying J is one of the top privately held companies in the United States and employs more than 21,000 people. Haslam’s civic involvement includes service on the boards of directors for the United Way of Greater Knoxville and Lakeshore Park. He is the co-founder of the Haslam Scholars Program at the University of Tennessee and formerly served as campaign chair for Knox Area Rescue Ministries and United Way of Greater Knoxville. Haslam also serves on the boards of Innovation Valley Inc., the National Association of Truckstop Operators, First Horizon Corporation, and Anderson Media Corporation. In 2006, he served as Tennessee statewide campaign chair for the now United States Senator Bob Corker. Haslam was also the 2010 Tennessee statewide campaign chair for now Governor Bill Haslam. In 2010, he was named a recipient of the Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year award for the Southeast region. In October 2011, Haslam was recognized as a "Significant Sig" by the Sigma Chi Foundation. He also received the University of Tennessee College of Business Administration’s Distinguished Alumni Award. In 2008, Haslam became a part owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, marking the first time ownership of the franchise expanded beyond the Rooney and McGinley families. Haslam is married to Susan "Dee" Bagwell Haslam, CEO of RIVR Media. They have three adult children, Jim, Whitney and Cynthia and four grandchildren.
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Haslam, CEO of Pilot Flying-J Travel Centers, will not make any decisions on Browns President Mike Holmgren or other staff members until he takes over. The Plain Dealer reported that former Eagles President Joe Banner will join Haslam in Cleveland, but Banner has declined to comment and league sources have questioned whether or not that will actually transpire.
Interesting tidd bit there.
Perhaps Banner was a rival group?
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I dont understand why it has to wait until October for approval. Send out an email to the owners, done in a day.
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It sounds like all he identified was it was time to take the money and run!
Forget the football side for a sec-it was a good BUSINESS decision- his dad bought/rebuilt the Browns for $300mil now Randy sold it for $900 mil + and STILL got to keep 30% (the orig. $300 mil) and when they win he will sell out for more maybe $400 mil AND take credit for keeping the Browns in Cleveland! I wish i could do that!
Now, on the football side...not so good...
Per Adam Schefter, Randy will not have any stake in the team. The 30% reported is because the deal is being done in two transactions. So probably by October, Haslam will have 100% ownership of the team.
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Depending on how the transaction is structured Haslam could still have 100% control immediately. The $300 million could be a deferred payment, almost like a loan to be paid off in one lump sump 4 years from now...
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Haslam, who will purchase the team for more than $1 billion according to ESPN's Adam Schefter, will initially own 70% and Lerner 30%. Haslam will then buy Lerner's shares, a source said told the Plain Dealer. The AP reported that will happen on the fourth anniversary of the closing date.
That sure sounds like 2 separate transactions. He will own 70% initially, then buy Lerner's shares.
Either way, the Lerners will make a killing off the sale of the team.
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Talk all you want about how you hope Haslam doesn't fire this guy or hire that guy or whatever...I'm just hoping we don't wind up with Flying J Stadium.
I guess we could, but if he is going to go with Stadium naming rights, to me it would make more sense to bring in outside dollars for the rights rather than take it from your own company.
We sell the gate name rights. All four of those might come close to stadium rights. ?? It may simply stay the same.
At any rate, I don't really care what the stadium has as a official name. If selling the rights helps keep ticket prices near the lowest in the league, I am all for it.
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If you have 51%, you have complete control of the team.
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I don't really think you can get anyone better than Heckert at his position. If they're out there, they're already taken.
I could see Holmgren gone and Shurmer on the hot seat with this season going a long way in determining his future.
But that is what HC's get paid to do...... WIN!
It's not like being an NFL HC is some mid-level management training program. So I really don't fault anyone if he's shown the door at the end of this season if things don't turn around.
You have winning or you have excuses at this point. And people determined to succeed simply don't accept excuses IMO.
didn't I just say that? LOL
Yes you did! I feel a weird pride for you that you posted it before Pit instead of after him.
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O yay a Steeler officially owns the Browns. Might as well make it official, they have owned us since our return anyway. My bud Sonny been calling all day, I know it is to rub it in that a Steeler owns the Browns so I aint answering lol Nope cant do it. If he comes over for a visit to rub it in, I do believe he might receive a kick to the testicles.
I am still po'ed that Lerner had no backbone and announced the sale on the eve of camp. That is just so freaking cowardly.
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O yay a Steeler officially owns the Browns. Might as well make it official, they have owned us since our return anyway. My bud Sonny been calling all day, I know it is to rub it in that a Steeler owns the Browns so I aint answering lol Nope cant do it. If he comes over for a visit to rub it in, I do believe he might receive a kick to the testicles.
I am still po'ed that Lerner had no backbone and announced the sale on the eve of camp. That is just so freaking cowardly.
When would have been a better time? I mean, is there a good time to announce you are selling the Browns...
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Yes you did! I feel a weird pride for you that you posted it before Pit instead of after him.
Me too! I am usually the first to comment on "speculative things" and he usually disagrees with me. This time we seem to share the same thoughts on a subject of this nature!
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I dont understand why it has to wait until October for approval. Send out an email to the owners, done in a day.
Actually, I see that as a good thing. The NFL is doing the current group a favor and are doing Jimmy a favor. He comes in next week, all the talk will be about what changes are coming. We will still hear some of that, but this makes it easy for him to say since we are in to the season, no changes will happen at this time.
It takes the pressure off of him of making a decision until he has really had a chance to get a feel for what is happening, both on the field and in all the support offices in Berea.
For him, this is more than just field operations. It's about legal, marketing ,sales, public/guest relations, security, etc..
I know we just look at players and top staff, but there are a lot of people who work for the Browns.
Everything I know about Haslam is he is a good fair man, but he is also very keen on the business. Good employees love him. Marginal ones hate him.
Holmgren is going to get his shot. Haslam is smart enough to know you don't just walk in and fire Mike Holmgren. Smart business people don't do that. You want capable people around you. So now he gets to work with the guy for a good portion of the season to see if the minds can mesh.
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but at least it will be a good trial period.
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O yay a Steeler officially owns the Browns. Might as well make it official, they have owned us since our return anyway. My bud Sonny been calling all day, I know it is to rub it in that a Steeler owns the Browns so I aint answering lol Nope cant do it. If he comes over for a visit to rub it in, I do believe he might receive a kick to the testicles.
Give him an extra kick for me. Make sure his testicles go into his throat.  Then and only then you can disown him altogether.
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I am still po'ed that Lerner had no backbone and announced the sale on the eve of camp. That is just so freaking cowardly.
Really?
On the flip side, if he had waited and said nothing, with the new owners coming in this week people would have said, "Without any warning! It was all some hidden deal and nobody even bothered to give us a heads up!"
The guy can't win for losing. Maybe that's why he is selling the team!
No, seriously, 530 mil. in 1999 and over 1 billion in 2013.
No wonder the owners can't afford to pay the players like they used to! They're not making any money! Hmmm... and the sale came after labor negotiations reached a 10 year agreement with a record TV contract. Coincidence? Yeah, sure, right........
In actuallity I think it was a win/win. Lerner inherrited something I really don't think he wanted to do. He made a fortune and we get an ownership group commited to winning that has been around winning in the NFL.
I think Randy actually felt this was best for all concerned and I happen to agree with him.
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O yay a Steeler officially owns the Browns. Might as well make it official, they have owned us since our return anyway. My bud Sonny been calling all day, I know it is to rub it in that a Steeler owns the Browns so I aint answering lol Nope cant do it. If he comes over for a visit to rub it in, I do believe he might receive a kick to the testicles.
I've just been telling my friends that the one intelligent steeler fan in the world has emerged. His epiphany has led him to the Cleveland Browns!
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I've just been telling my friends that the one intelligent steeler fan in the world has emerged. His epiphany has led him to the Cleveland Browns!
That's the silly part about that post. Well one anyway. LOL
The NFL will insure he doesn't have ownership in both teams. So the reality is he's selling out the Steelers to own the Browns!
Not the other way around. Looking for greener pastures in Cleveland and kicking the Steelers to the curb!
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...The sale of the team from Randy Lerner to the Tennesee businessman is set to be approved by the owners in October.
...At this time, no special meeting has been called by Commissioner Roger Goodell to approve the sale earlier.
...League spokesman Greg Aiello said "it's possible,'' but premature to discuss a special meeting. A vote of 3/4 of the owners is required.
...Haslam will first have to divest of his Steelers shares, an estimated 10%-16%, but that won't be an issue.
...The NFL's finance committee will then meet to recommend approval of the sale, but Haslam already passed the NFL's rigorous standards when he purchased his Steelers' interest.
Reading the information above, Lerner and Haslam have agreed to the sale of 70% of the Browns, BUT the sale will not be final until after the above issues are taken care of and the owners vote is taken in Oct.
I do not believe Haslam will have the authority to make any changes in the staff until he meets all the league qualifications and the vote/approval is given by the owners in Oct.
After the vote, Haslam will be the Browns majority owner and free to make changes if he wants.
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BEREA -- Browns new owner Jimmy Haslam III will watch practice and be introduced to Cleveland in a press conference here on Friday, a league source said.
Haslam will have the opportunity to calm the nerves of the Browns employees, coaches and players tomorrow, giving some indication whether major changes will happen after the NFL approves the sale in Oct or if changes will be deferred until after the 2012 season is over.
Whether from Lerner or Haslam, the issue needs to be addressed in some fashion...internal memo, public comment, whatever...those working for the Browns need to know whether the 2012 season proceeds as planned or not.
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I am still po'ed that Lerner had no backbone and announced the sale on the eve of camp. That is just so freaking cowardly.
Really?
On the flip side, if he had waited and said nothing, with the new owners coming in this week people would have said, "Without any warning! It was all some hidden deal and nobody even bothered to give us a heads up!"
The guy can't win for losing. Maybe that's why he is selling the team!
No, seriously, 530 mil. in 1999 and over 1 billion in 2013.
No wonder the owners can't afford to pay the players like they used to! They're not making any money! Hmmm... and the sale came after labor negotiations reached a 10 year agreement with a record TV contract. Coincidence? Yeah, sure, right........
In actuallity I think it was a win/win. Lerner inherrited something I really don't think he wanted to do. He made a fortune and we get an ownership group commited to winning that has been around winning in the NFL.
I think Randy actually felt this was best for all concerned and I happen to agree with him.
No doubt they make money on teams when they sell, but that isn't how you base things on how you pay employees on a year to year basis.
Seriously man,Lerner put up a chunk of HIS change. Players have no right to how that appreciates.
That is where team owners make their money. It isn't the year to year profit. It's in the future appreciation of their team.
It's why you see a bunch of partial owners. If you get the chance, it's a good place to park 40 mil.
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Controlling interest sold to Haslam
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Controlling interest of the Cleveland Browns has been sold to Jimmy Haslam and his family.
Randy Lerner today agreed to sell a majority stake in the Cleveland Browns to Jimmy Haslam, CEO of the Tennessee-based Pilot Flying J Corporation, along with his family. The sale is subject to a review by the NFL and a vote of the league’s owners at a later date.
“This is a very exciting time for my family and me,” said Haslam. “To own such a storied franchise as the Cleveland Browns, with its rich tradition and history, is a dream come true. We are committed to keeping the team in Cleveland and seeing it get back to the elite of the NFL – something all Browns fans want and deserve. We plan to bring relentless dedication and hard work to every aspect of this organization, and we look forward to getting to know this team and community as quickly as possible. Our family is committed to becoming an integral part of the Cleveland community. We also want to thank Randy Lerner for his friendship, counsel and support during this process.”
For the last 16 years, the 58-year old Haslam has been the CEO of Pilot Flying J Corporation, the nation’s largest retail operator of travel centers and truck stops. A native of Knoxville, Tennessee, Haslam and his wife, Susan “Dee” Bagwell Haslam, have three adult children, Jim, Whitney and Cynthia.
Randy Lerner assumed control of the Browns in October 2002 following the death of his father, Al. The National Football League awarded the Cleveland franchise to Al Lerner on September 8, 1998. The formal transfer of ownership from the Browns Trust to Lerner took place on October 23, 1998.
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STATEMENT FROM RANDY LERNER
On behalf of my family and as trustee for the Lerner Family Trust, which holds the shares of the Cleveland Browns, I have agreed to sell the Browns to Jimmy Haslam and his family.
I was approached regarding Mr. Haslam’s interest several weeks ago. While as a fiduciary I have always felt it was my responsibility to listen to offers, I had not been approached with a proposal that felt as natural and complete as Mr. Haslam’s. He had done a lot of work on the Browns and the City of Cleveland and first and foremost gave me his personal assurance the team would remain in Cleveland.
As I was at first overwhelmed, I asked for a few days to consider the proposal during which time I consulted with my mother and sister. Over this short period we agreed that the proposal was strong, the buyers made sense and the time was right for us to move on.
Going forward, we anticipate that the League will meet and vote on the deal and the closing is expected to follow shortly thereafter. During this time the organization will operate as it has in the past with all senior executives in place.
While a statement like this is certainly part of the process, it couldn’t possibly capture my feelings towards the Browns and the many people whom I feel very strong about. Those feelings therefore will need to be expressed in person. Notwithstanding, I feel a deep debt of gratitude to the loyal and passionate fan base, as well as the people I’ve met and worked with over the years. It has been a privilege to be involved with the Cleveland Browns and my only hope is that the Haslam family has the best of luck and that the Browns are restored to their rightful place among NFL Champions.
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