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With the recent revelation Lerner is selling the controlling interest in the team, I think that explains our draft moves. Apparently Holmgren was aware of the talks as they progressed, which were well before the draft.
It explains why we moved up for Richardson, though I think we may have done that anyway.
It explains why Holmgren pulled rank and insisted we select Weeden at 22 rather than wait as Heckert was convinced we could have done ans still gotten him
It explains the bold move to use the 2nd rounder in the supplemental to take Gordon.
Holmgren knew the impending timetable had just been moved up a year and knew at the time that this year was now or never time and we had to make sure we got everybody possible. It also explains the all out effort to snag RGIII.
Holmgren said he had to keep the information of the sale close to his vest, and I believe he did. I don't think Heckert and Shurmer found out about the teams pending ownership transfer until not long before Lerner released his statement.
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Or, they just made moves they think will improve the team? Went def last draft, going offense this one.
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I hope you're wrong, Peen. The last thing we need is more panicked moves.
The thing I find weird is, was the move only being made official soon, but actually in the works 2 years ago?
Call me conspiracy Keanu, but maybe Randy handpicked Mangini, then soon after decided to get the ball rolling on selling the team, keeping it quite close to the vest.
If it's true that this Banner guy who was big time with the Eagles would be brought in, think about all the guys we already have with Eagles connections? Heckert, Shurmur, Childress (who was probably picked a year ago, but realized he could sit out and make HC $) even Dick Jauron has a small connection.
Seems like pieces are already in place, pieces that a Philadelphia guy would want to make, would be a smooth transition when the world found out. Mike Holmgren is the perfect distraction for the whole thing as well.
Let's not forget that they did something similiar with Mangini, bringing in 4-3 players even while he was still coaching a 3-4, Jayme Mitchell is most definitely not a 3-4 player.
I can't say with 100% certainty this is true, but it's at least worth thought and discussion.
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I hope Banner can tie himself to another team. I like what Heckert is doing and I would hate to see him leave due to Banner wanting control over the roster and draft. Holmgren already has everyone in place he wanted, so no big loss if he decides to leave and I believe he will leave and Arizona is probably his next destination.
I do wonder now about Heckert's comment on Weeden when he said I dont see age as I problem, I may not be here when he reaches the end of his contract or something to that effect.
Anyway, Peen you may be correct as it appears we did shove all our chips to the middle of the table but those were obvious needs we attacked and even without a sale of the team, we would have drafted RB, QB, RT and WR.
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No, not "that".
They took "two drafts" to build the D. They didn't try to cram it all into one draft like this year. Think about it.....
How many teams have you ever seen, that wasn't a first year expansion team, try to feild a team with rookies at the QB position, RB, RT and WR? Four rookies and three of them at the skilled positions.
I said it before.... MH sees this may be his last draft with the Browns. He had only one chance to leave some kind of mark on hs legacy. That would be if he managed to install players at the key skilled positions that may still be in place when this team has success.
I'm not saying they drafted to fail. I'm not saying they didn't make good picks for the most part.
But in all honesty, do you really think that picking a kid in the supplemental draft that has "Three trips on the Doobie Train", is in any way typical of MH or TH? More substance abuse violations than 100 yard receiving games?
I've known and seen people who would make such moves like Al Davis. Doesn't need a lot of "proven results" from a player but more wowed by their physical prowess and upside. But this has not been the MO of MH nor TH.
IMO- MH figured this was his last whorah and was going to go out with a bang. It brings a whole new meaning to the term, "Hurry Up Offense".
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Anyway, Peen you may be correct as it appears we did shove all our chips to the middle of the table but those were obvious needs we attacked and even without a sale of the team, we would have drafted RB, QB, RT and WR.
I'm not doubting that we would have. But once again, look at how they built the D. It was over the course of two drafts, not one.
I guess you just have to ask yourself, would these guys really try to address "all of these positions in one draft"? Try to start so many rookies at the skill positions in one season?
Or, if they knew they had the time, would they address a couple of them now, and the other two next year so we don't have so many rookies at the skilled positions at one time?
I think the roadmap they used in building the D shows their prefrance. You do it over two seasons. Expecting so many rookies to start at so many key positions all at once is suicide. But if you're already dead, it really doesn't make any difference.
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To answer that question just think back to last season and the play of RB, QB, RT and WR.
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People keep saying that. Has there been any real evidence that is the case? Why would the guy just not be a part owner and sounding board for Haslam??
I can see where Banner might take the role Holmgren holds and be president of the club. I don't see where he would be GM of the team. Even then I am beginning to get the feeling Holmgren might just stick here for at least the duration of the contract.
One also has to consider Lerner holds a 30% stake. Not that he is going to have much say. Haslam holds that pulpit, but there will still be a voice with a sizable stake in things to advocate for the current team....any word on how big a stake Banner is footing? I doubt it is 30%.
Also....are Haslam and Banner friends?? I mean real friends. It is my understanding the league brokered this deal and introduced Haslam and Banner...here is the guy with enough money and here is the guy with some money and experience in league matters, and at the owner level, those matters go way beyond who is going to be your RG or ILB.
Naa..the more I think about it, the more I think Holmgren would be the only one on thin ice at this point. If we totally bomb this season, the others are as well, but they were already in that boat. We couldn't have won 4 games and kept things the same.
I agree. It looks like we are turning a corner....at least on paper. We'll see once the games are played. Win or lose, we'll be able to see if there is some chemistry and are a team able to make some plays.
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I guess you just have to ask yourself, would these guys really try to address "all of these positions in one draft"?
To answer that question just think back to last season and the play of RB, QB, RT and WR.
No doubt, but none the less, I think some of the moves were made with knowledge of the pending sale.
I am not trying to insinuate these were panic moves....maybe call it sense urgency. I don't think any of the moves could be called panic moves. All the players involved look like good players. We just didn't want to chance losing them. It was simply a matter of we needed these guys and weren't going to lose them. In any other year we may have taken our chances they lasted.
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If this goes through, and Banner is indeed brought in, I can see a situation where Holmgren is bought out.
I don't really care, one way or the other, he set this franchise up with the right people below him. I'm still a believer in Shurmur, I thought he was totally handcuffed last year.
We have a very good GM who has very good people working with him. We have excellent coordinators with good experience. I felt like Heckert's first draft was decent, his second draft was very good, and this draft could turn out to be far and above the first two...
I would hate to see this end prematurely as these guys haven't done much wrong and would be outed simply because of someone else's "guys" taking over. I know that's how it works, but it just seems like we finally have the right people in place. It would be such a downer to have to reshuffle AGAIN.
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There should be a sense of urgency...not because of the team sale, but because of our win/loss record.
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I think so too. I think 4 years from now it will be viewed as a homerun class.
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We DID use two drafts for the offense.
We used our draft this year to get T-Rich,Schwartz and Benjamin.
And we used ATLs first and Our 2nd Next year to get Weeden and Gordon.
We had "Extra picks" this year. So basically we had more than one draft.
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Former Eagles president Joe Banner will be an “integral part” of the new ownership team. Banner is familiar with head coach Pat Shurmur and GM Tom Heckert, both of whom worked for the Eagles during Banner’s time as an executive.
Holmgren's role will no doubt be in question. Banner if confirmed as President will have his take on Heckert and Shurmur from working with them in the past. At this point I see no impact on this year. After the year is over Holmgren's role is over. He will be paid off. The team results will dictate any further actions.
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I guess you just have to ask yourself, would these guys really try to address "all of these positions in one draft"?
To answer that question just think back to last season and the play of RB, QB, RT and WR.
You can say that all you like, but they have shown how they try to address that when they built the D. You don't flood every key position with rookies all in one year. It's a two year process.
Until this year.....
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I guess you just have to ask yourself, would these guys really try to address "all of these positions in one draft"?
To answer that question just think back to last season and the play of RB, QB, RT and WR.
You can say that all you like, but they have shown how they try to address that when they built the D. You don't flood every key position with rookies all in one year. It's a two year process.
Until this year.....
They also didn't have 2 firsts and 2 seconds those years.
I look at it this way, RB is plug and play, being a rookie "doesn't matter"
RT is coming into a line thats 4/5 done, and he already has experince in our system.
Benjamin is a deep threat and a PR guy.
The ONLY thing that moves your point is QB, and I think they targeted Weeden specifically because of his age/experience in sports...Along with his talents...
Are we going to struggle with "so many" rookies? Sure maybe, but we're now a year ahead of where we'd be...
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No doubt we dug in to more than just this year.
I don't have a problem with it. Heck yeah...
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RT is coming into a line thats 4/5 done, and he already has experince in our system.
If you consider Lauvao and Pinkston as two fifths of that, you have a lot more faith in them than I do!
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The ONLY thing that moves your point is QB, and I think they targeted Weeden specifically because of his age/experience in sports...Along with his talents...
No,if you want quick success, I'd say his maturity would be an asset.
It was more the kid who has more substance policy violations than he has 100 yard recieving games that was the dead giveaway. That's so far out of chracter for MH and TH it smells.
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And if everything pans out the way we hope it will, MH will have left a nice legacy in the form of core players when he is in a land far, far away. That's really the point here as far as I'm concerned. He knew it at the very least when he acquired Gordon.
But the Gordon move was pure desperation by MH knowing he probably wouldn't be here anyway IMO
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So by that, you're stating that aquiring Gordon makes us a Super Bowl team in Holmgren's eyes THIS YEAR?
Because if he "knew he'd be gone" and wanted to "speed up the process"
Wouldn't we have gone crazy in FA trying to win NOW?
Since when do people draft Rookies to win NOW?
Is that even possible?
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I don't think it was desperation in selecting Gordon.
Urgency.
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I agree holmgren was aware of the possibility of the pending ownership change. In fact, I'd say that was part of the plan from the beginning. Wouldn't have put it past Lerner to think far enough in advance to inform Holmgren that it could happen when he was hired and he could very well have made very specific provisions for him in the deal.
Not sure we'll ever know that but sounds possible,
As for moving up to get Richardson, I think that was a plan from the beginning. I don't have a doubt .
As for Weeden, the Browns (heckert) has stated they were looking at Wright the WR. at 22 but by then he was gone. The next best player for them was Weeden.
I don't believe they took him with any thought towards new management. that could have simply been the plan. I prefer to believe that because I don't want to believe the alternative which would be they panicked. Don't even want to think that.
As for Gordon, I think we've read reports already that he's producing in practice at a pretty good clip. It could just be, they liked him and felt he was a missing piece which most of us would agree, we needed another receiver to challenge for #1.
The alternative, which you present, makes me very very uneasy. Reaching and panicking scares me and to a degree, lessens the the value of the picks below Richardson in my mind.
JMO however.. in the end, I don't much care as long as it works and we start winning games.
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How many teams have you ever seen, that wasn't a first year expansion team, try to feild a team with rookies at the QB position, RB, RT and WR? Four rookies and three of them at the skilled positions.
How many teams have you ever seen, that wasn't a first year expansion team, that looked as bad as we did at those 4 positions all at the same time? 
But let me see... last year the Bengals had a rookie QB, a rookie #1 WR, a second year TE,
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I don't think it was desperation in selecting Gordon.
Urgency.
Maybe .....
However, everyone is reporting how this guy is a WR in a TE body ..... with fantastic hands, WR speed ....... and how he is a guy who seems to be smart enough to quickly pick up the offense, and is capable of running proper routes.
Maybe they reached .... maybe he was just taken where Heckert really felt he should be taken. He really doesn't seem like the kind of guy to blow a lot of smoke.
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So...in short...We've mortgaged our future for the present by reaching on players we otherwise wouldn't have gambled on.
America's problem in a nutshell.
I can't say for sure how much the impending sale affected what Holmgren and Heckert did as it's all speculation. However, what I can say for sure is that I always wondered just what the Hell they were doing with free agency and the draft, because what I saw looked like two polar-opposite philosophies.
On one hand you had free agency...or lack thereof in our case, where we didn't do jack-squat in terms of improving our team. Anyone who wants to trumpet Frostee Freakin' Rucker as this big improvement, you go ahead but nobody outside of Cleveland is going to be impressed. Then, after trumpeting our horns about staying the long course by using the draft, we reach on a 29-year old rookie QB and blow a 2013 2nd round pick on a receiver who failed three drug tests and unsuccessfully lied about it.
I hope the sale of the team influenced these moves, if for no other reason than to try to explain why we'd do absolutely nothing in free agency then turn right around and start reaching badly in the draft.
I'll tell you what. After the moves Holmgren has made so far in his tenure, if I don't see great improvement this year, I'd want him kicked to the curb. He's a control freak who constantly steps in and plays the trump card over his personnel people. When you do that and the team fails, you have yourself to blame even more.
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I dunno .... it seems like we had major needs on offense ...... QB, RB, RT, WR ...... and we wound up drafting a RB, a QB, a RT, and 2 WR. (both who have an elite level type ability, Benjamin his speed, and Gordon his size/speed/hands combination)
We also took a couple of DL who look like they will contribute, and a LB who looks like he might well become a starter sooner rather than later. (JMJ)
To me that's one hell of a good draft. Even without Weeds, it would still have been a very good draft, which addressed needs with guys who can step(in from day 1 and help, or even start.
Now they have to put it all together on the field, and it's not going to be easy with so many rookies. Regardless, I think that we will improve a great deal over last year, both in terms of wins, and in terms of performance and production.
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It seems...and I may be wrong due to the loss of context on message boards...that you're defending the their draft moves due to needs. I'm not arguing against that. I'm simply stating it appears IMHO that we didn't do diddly in free agency, which means we're taking the long, developmental role in rebuilding (which I approve of, by the way) then turned right around and reached on an old QB in the draft and bought WAY high on a receiver with 3 failed drug tests, all so those two players could come in and play NOW.
One philosophy says we're taking the longer, safer road, while the other philosophy says we're taking the shorter, riskier road, and that's what has had me concerned.
This plan is all Holmy. He elected not to do anything in free agency but to blow it out in the draft. It's a confusing way to do business and he'll answer for it sooner rather than later because of it.
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Urgency.
Opportunity?
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Yeah, we definitely took the longer approach ..... but it looks like we could have legitimate starters across the board on offense, and most of the way on defense. The OL looks like it could be a top 5 line. Richardson should be an upper level RB. The WRs look a whole lot better with Weeds throwing to them, and we also added significant talent in Gordon and Benjamin.
It looks, at least thus far in this camp, that 3 drafts was about what it took to turnover the roster, and add new talent almost everywhere. I would guess that some teams throw money around and sign crappy players for big bucks. I would have preferred to see us add a few veterans, especially at WR, but Gordon/Benjamin could wind up being an even better outcome.
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Well, I could see the sale as a reason why they tried so hard to get RGIII and why they reached for Weeden.
It's obvious they wanted to sell the future of the team. Hopefully, these guys are good enough to have a bright future.
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This plan is all Holmy. He elected not to do anything in free agency...
He DID try to get the two receivers that Washington outbid us on.
I would have been po'd if he gave those guys the contracts that Washington did.
I'm very pleased with the Rucker pickup...he will fill an obvious need.
Who knows who else he went after?
Also, we have not lost anyone of significance under Holmgren's watch.
It's easy for me to give him more time at this point.
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I had this conversation the other day:
If the 2013 Draft were tomorrow, who would you pick? The qualifier was that it had to be a position and not a name of a player. The "pick" is different based on the draft pick #.
1-5
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If we are picking 1-5, I say DE.
If we are 6-12, I say CB.
If we are 13-20, I'm still saying DE or CB.
If we are 21 or higher, then the DEs and CBs must have played better than I expected...so a LB becomes a possibility.
The purpose of the discussion was to highlight the fact that we just might have a team without a glaring talent need...remember I said talent need. Hear me out...
If this draft pans out like we hope, we very well may have pretty good talent at each position.
Many guys will likely be "too young" as we have a lot of young players...but we drafted a lot of guys who will be better than what we had and will likely start.
A few guys are "getting older" (Fujita, Watson, S Brown) but have intriguing backups.
The glaring holes we "had" at QB, WR, RB & RT very well may have been filled...and saying that is not a reach given where these guys were picked.
I think the "build your team thru the draft" is exactly what we have done. No more glaring needs...and we are positioned to improve the roster where we wish rather than where we must.
I could easily see a DE, CB, or LB free agent acquisition next year for an elite guy...truly elite.
I'm liking this plan so far.
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That and the GM Heckert has said from the begining here that he is not a big player in FA. He has been true to that. I still dont understand the reaching on Gordon. If we wanted him he had to bid a round in which we would get him.
We chose the 2nd round as the most likely place we would get him and we did get him. If they had bid 3rd round and he went to Buffalo (which Ive heard is where they bid at) we wouldnt have him.
From the few reports Ive read on the kid he seems to be the real deal. I dont get the reach part at all.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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I had this conversation the other day:
If the 2013 Draft were tomorrow, who would you pick? The qualifier was that it had to be a position and not a name of a player. The "pick" is different based on the draft pick #.
1-5
6-12
13-20
If we are picking 1-5, I say DE.
If we are 6-12, I say CB.
If we are 13-20, I'm still saying DE or CB.
If we are 21 or higher, then the DEs and CBs must have played better than I expected...so a LB becomes a possibility.
The purpose of the discussion was to highlight the fact that we just might have a team without a glaring talent need...remember I said talent need. Hear me out...
If this draft pans out like we hope, we very well may have pretty good talent at each position.
Many guys will likely be "too young" as we have a lot of young players...but we drafted a lot of guys who will be better than what we had and will likely start.
A few guys are "getting older" (Fujita, Watson, S Brown) but have intriguing backups.
The glaring holes we "had" at QB, WR, RB & RT very well may have been filled...and saying that is not a reach given where these guys were picked.
I think the "build your team thru the draft" is exactly what we have done. No more glaring needs...and we are positioned to improve the roster where we wish rather than where we must.
I could easily see a DE, CB, or LB free agent acquisition next year for an elite guy...truly elite.
I'm liking this plan so far.
Outside of 1-5, BPA.
1-5: QB if it's an Andrew Luck type QB. If we are picking in the top 5, chances are Brandon Weeden isn't lighting the world on fire and you never pass up a QB at that level.
If it's a unique situation where there is no QB that great, and maybe Weeden went down with some freak injury, BPA.
Although personally, and selfishly, I want a stud linebacker. I want a Ray Lewis/Patrick Willis/Brian Urlacher type. It seems like we always pass over the good linebackers to fill other needs.
BPA for most picks, but if you can fatten up the front 7, I would love that.
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As long as Heckert is here, I dbout we draf a QB before round 3 for at least 3 years.
Weeden gets his lumps this year, hopefully by mid season/week 12ish he starts showing what he's capable of (or right away, that'd be fine too :P)
I just don't envision him coming out and playing SO horrible that we automatically think we need a new QB. Maybe he doesn'ty come out and light the world on fire..
He will likely have more INTs than TDs, but IMO that will be because of him TRYING TO HARD (gunslinger mentality) as opposed to him just not being any good...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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If any other team selected the players,or took the approach the Browns did (Weeden, Gordon, Parker,Rucker) that team would get heckled and laughed at on this board.
before last year,no one knew who Frostee Rucker was other than a career backup.
all of a sudden he's supposed to be this huge difference maker.
got news for ya,he played with some talent on that Bengals d-line.
the Browns had the cap room to bring in free agents that could have really accelerated the rebuild and closed the gap faster.
But when you pass on guys like Jarrett Johnson who played for a team the Browns have been throttled by,thats ignorant. Johnson simply is better than any OLB on the Browns right now.
why Heckert didn't bother to look at safeties like Reggie Nelson and LaRon Landry is befuddling. Usama Young has no reason to be on this team. He sucks.
they are putting alot of faith in Eric Hagg.
Ben Grubbs was another player that Heckert totally passed on. Better resume than Lavoua and Pinkston.
if your divison rivals have to let important pieces walk cause they can't afford them,then your team has to take advantage of that.
the Browns didn't
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As long as Heckert is here, I dbout we draf a QB before round 3 for at least 3 years.
Weeden gets his lumps this year, hopefully by mid season/week 12ish he starts showing what he's capable of (or right away, that'd be fine too :P)
I just don't envision him coming out and playing SO horrible that we automatically think we need a new QB. Maybe he doesn'ty come out and light the world on fire..
He will likely have more INTs than TDs, but IMO that will be because of him TRYING TO HARD (gunslinger mentality) as opposed to him just not being any good...
I agree. I think there is a chance Weeden picks this up quickly. He will still take his lumps, but I think he will have this thing down. He just doesn't seem like the type that will be surprised and shocked at the level of the NFL. Not to say he won't have his problems, because he will, but I think he will be just fine. I honestly think it's not likely we are picking 1-5 again next April.
I do think his age, and his experience in pro sports will help along his progression as a QB. The day to day stuff for a pitcher is actually kinda similiar to an NFL player if you think about it. You play about once a week, and the rest of the week you prepare. Obviously the work put in is much different, and more grueling, but there are some similarities.
I really can't wait to see how it all unfolds. Between him and Trent Richardson, it's been a long time since I have been this excited.
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If any other team selected the players,or took the approach the Browns did (Weeden, Gordon, Parker,Rucker) that team would get heckled and laughed at on this board.
There are people on this board heckling those moves NOW. There are always people that don't agree with what the FO is doing.
And i disagree. If there was a team that was as bad on offense as we were last year, and spent high picks on offense, i'd be like... good job...
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before last year,no one knew who Frostee Rucker was other than a career backup.
all of a sudden he's supposed to be this huge difference maker.
got news for ya,he played with some talent on that Bengals d-line.
No one is saying he's going to the Pro Bowl. He was brought in to provide veteran depth. Which he is.
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the Browns had the cap room to bring in free agents that could have really accelerated the rebuild and closed the gap faster.
If you want to overpay for average players, that's you perogative. We did that once, hey we made the playoffs. Then we had to tear it down not even two years later because we were in cap hell.. H&H are working the cap perfectly.
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But when you pass on guys like Jarrett Johnson who played for a team the Browns have been throttled by,thats ignorant. Johnson simply is better than any OLB on the Browns right now.
56 tackles and 2.5 sacks? Seriously? You want to bring in a 30 year old LB that Baltimore liked so much they let him go?
Do you just spin a wheel and randomly pick Players that we didn't sign and pretend they are good?
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if your divison rivals have to let important pieces walk cause they can't afford them,then your team has to take advantage of that.
the Browns didn't
And finally. Baltimore and Pittsburgh let players walk when they get old. They don't over pay for average aging players...
Seems to have worked for them huh?
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I really don't see Heckert ever taking a DE in the top 5. Ever.
He has been pretty consistent that he feels that he can find exceptional "tweeners" that fit his profile of a 4-3 DE in the 2nd round and beyond.
He has also said that he doesn't feel that you can ever have enough DT and CB. I think that a top 5 pick would be one of these, or a QB or LT if we had a need for one. I think that these are his prototypical top 5 positions. We went RB this year only because of the perfect storm of dire need and a player with "greatness potential".
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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