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YTown...right now I dont care what Heckert might do in 2013.
But I'm curious what YOU might do if in charge in 2013.
1-5...what position would YOU target?
6-12?
13 and higher?
Assume we continue to not have a 2nd.
If we're picking in the top 5 next year, I think the obvious answer is QB. Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson, Tyler Bray should all be in the draft and could be on the board (depending on where we pick). If we're in the top 5, it means that something has gone terribly wrong and we will probably have a new coach who will bring in his own guys - including QB if he doesn't think Weeden is that guy.
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I disagree completely..
If we struggle early (so many rookies) but then everything starts clicking late, but we still end up on the short end more than not... 5-11 or even 6-10 could "still" net us a top 5 pick on any given year...
You're plan is to then blow it up?
There is NO WAY (barring injury) we draft a 1st round QB next year...
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It wasn't at me but IMO...
If we're 1-5, and there isn't a GLARING BPA NEED at our spot, I trade down, Even if it's just to pick up a 2nd. (STL got a 2nd going from 6 to 14, IMO they could of got more)
I agree with that idea.
But what position do you take if we can't swing a viable trade?
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I think we're ganna have to go defense.
I'd say one of the many DEs, or possibly if theres an LB that's Patrick Willis level... I doubt there will be a Safety top 5 worthy, and I like Hagg.
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YTown...right now I dont care what Heckert might do in 2013.
But I'm curious what YOU might do if in charge in 2013.
1-5...what position would YOU target?
6-12?
13 and higher?
Assume we continue to not have a 2nd.
Way too early to tell at this point.
I'm not nearly as locked in to positions as Heckert seems to be. I was actually stunned that we went RB in the first round. I loved the pick, but I was kind of shocked.
My personal belief is that we should draft the very best overall player available to us, because great players find the field, and always have value. I can see an exception for the QB spot, where a reach is OK if you don't have a QB.
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Interesting topic about next year's draft. Assuming we end up as I'm anticipating (between 4 and 6 wins) with Weeden struggling, I think we'll draft a QB in round 1 (We may go all in for Barkley).
I am probably in the minority, but I really don't believe in Weeden as an effective pro. I view the pick as a waste (although McCoy would be no better this season). Unfortunately, I think we're a QB away from being a competitive team.
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But I'm curious what YOU might do if in charge in 2013.
Based on what I know right now, I'd go pass defense. When and who I would draft is, of course, predicated on who is the best value on the board but the order in which I think we are going to need a first round stud...
1. OLB
2. DE
3. CB
I reserve the right to flip DE/CB as my mood dictates.  But I'm a firm believer that a great pass rush helps a cornerback far more than a great cornerback helps a DL...
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But I'm curious what YOU might do if in charge in 2013.
Based on what I know right now, I'd go pass defense. When and who I would draft is, of course, predicated on who is the best value on the board but the order in which I think we are going to need a first round stud...
1. OLB
2. DE
3. CB
I reserve the right to flip DE/CB as my mood dictates. But I'm a firm believer that a great pass rush helps a cornerback far more than a great cornerback helps a DL...
My opinion is that JMJ and Acho could make LBer a moot point in next years Draft.
CB or DE would be my guess, but it's way too early to speculate on who might be available.
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I was the one who said 50/50....you can name me.
I was using that as more of an example than any "singular" comment on the subject.
See, to me I try to be objective about the kid. The two Baylor incidents were terrible and he paid a hefty price for it. So to me, his transfer to Utah was his "50/50". Surely after getting booted from Baylor should have been more than enough to learn his lesson.
But no. Once again he headed down the exact same path. Then, after our FO gives him a chance and he becomes a Brown, he publicly denied he failed a drug test at Utah until it became public to the contrary which forced him to fess up about lying in the first place.
When looking at this pattern, I would like to know how you can come up with your "50/50" statement? I mean how many times can distructive behavior continue until a persons offenses does cause it to fall below 50/50?
To me, he's already went below the 50/50 mark by an obvious pattern.
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You are still a bud. We go back a ways....10 years?? 12 years??
I know I think you're a good egg. That doesn't mean I agree with your every word. We've thrown axes before.
Now, I am getting old enough to know that doesn't pay.
I'm still of the mind set that while throwing axes isn't my initial method, it's still in my repertoire.
Yes, we have sparred on subjects in the past, but we've always managed to understand that it's simply a disagreement in how we feel on certain matters and never taken it personaly or let it interfere in our mutual respect for one another. And I do believe it's been about 12 years. I know I was on the original Dawg Talk right after it first began.
I actually feel that way about everyone who I have posted with over the years. While some of them like Arch, we have gone at each other to great lengths, I still think he has a very firm conviction in his beliefs, is a wonderful family man and respect him for his strong convictions and have zero contempt or dislike of him as a person.
I realise that we are on message boards and as such sometimes go to great lengths in order to try to make our seperate points.
I will say there are a select few that I really appreciate, would like to hang out with and get to know much better. And you my friend are on that short list. While we don't always see eye to eye, I consider you very moderate, fair and even handed as it pertains to your views overall. A very rare commodity to find these days I must say.
It does bother me that people take things on such a personal level on social media sites and message boards. I know I don't. But that's why I stay out of the political discussions now. It seems that some posters that I used to be close to seem to take such matters so personal that it effects their opinions of others who disagree with them. I don't really understand that as most of my friends are GOP and former military, but oh well.....
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You doing well my friend?? When are you heading to a real game again?? We have to again share a handshake and a beer.  Shoot, maybe even a hug.....a manly hug of course! 
I will always think of you as one of my buds, no doubt about that! Well? I think so. My back will only be getting worse which is why you see my time very limited in my postings. But it is what it is and as such I don't well on that. Otherwise I'm doing well, in great spirits and am a very happy person. Actually I'm happier than I can ever remembering myself ever being and am far more at peace with myself than I've ever been. Thanks for asking.
As far as making it to a regular season game, I'm really not sure. I would hope it will be sooner than later. I can't believe my grandson prefered a pre-season game to a regular season game but he wanted to see both Colt and Weeden play and wanted to see at least most of our draft picks on the field. Plus, we managed to get seats eight rows behind the Browns bench between the 45's for the Chicago pre-season game far less than one could ever get them for a regular season game, so he chose that route. I explained to him that second level seats are actually better but it's his birthday. LOL
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I hope you are doing well yourself my friend!
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I am worried about Gordon's drug use not because I think weed is some terrible thing, but because it shows a lack of discipline. However, we spent a 2nd round pick on him (not the hugest gamble). The guy seems to have the physical tools to become a legit wide-out (I've heard comparisons to Brandon Marshall). I think a 2nd round gamble on that kind of talent is not as atrocious as other posters seem to think.
The bottom line is, the guy is now a Cleveland Brown and I will cheer him on until he gives me a reason not to (another drug bust). He's on the team, so that's the only thing we can do. However, he's only 21 and I'm hoping he can stay on the straight and narrow and develop into a stud for us.
I agree with this.
The kid now has something to protect. Now we find out if he is smart or dumb.
As you say, a 2nd rounder isn't that great a risk. It's a risk, but not a crippling one if it doesn't work....and we won't know that for a few years, so at that point it water over the dam.
You have to be real here guys and girls. Has everything in you life worked out perfectly??
Maybe it has for you, but it hasn't for me.
It's worked out well for me, but I have had my losses.
No risk, no gain is my attitude.
Jimmy Haslam Sr. took $6000 in 195something and bought a gas station. That was a lot of money then. That was a good gas station in Va. He could have gone broke, he could have made a decent living, but he had a vision, and bought another, and another.
Then they start thinking about travel centers. By that time, Jimmy Jr. enters Dad's business and 50-60 gas stations turn in to travel centers...then turn in to 500 or more....a $20 billion a year business, 20,000 people working for them.
20,000 people depend on their leadership.
That's far more impressive than the millions of us who want to win a few more football games. Impressive enough the youngest boy who couldn't be head of the company, had the ability and gumption to become Governor of the State of Tennessee.
That's a family of action. None of these kids are wall flowers like Randy. We now have a owner who is going to act.
I don't know if that is good or bad at this point, but it won't take long to find out.
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YTown...right now I dont care what Heckert might do in 2013.
But I'm curious what YOU might do if in charge in 2013.
1-5...what position would YOU target?
6-12?
13 and higher?
Assume we continue to not have a 2nd.
There's no real answer to that question. We have many players that have one and two years experience. This will be either their rookie year, first year or second year.
My answer to your question is a very basic one. Let's see how our current youth progresses and matures. Let's see which players leave due to not being re-signed and look where are biggest needs are at that time.
Then and only then will we know where our greatest needs are. Then and only then will we know where our priorites lie in the draft.
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I'm more interested in what Heckert does in 2016 and 2017. May be too early to tell right now though. Just imagine if we're picking in the Top 5 every year until then. The influx of talent that will be maturing and ready to contribute in the 2020's. Wow! 
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I'm more interested in what Heckert does in 2016 and 2017.
May be too early to tell right now though.
Just imagine if we're picking in the Top 5 every year until then.
The influx of talent that will be maturing and ready to contribute in the 2020's. Wow!
Where are they mocking that 8th grader LSU just offered a scholarship at?
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There is NO WAY (barring injury) we draft a 1st round QB next year...
I can easily envision a scenario in which we can. Weeden sucks, and sucks hard. You can't envision this, glad you're not the GM.
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Also just to piggy my post, suppose Weeden is....mediocre and we have a chance to draft RGIII like talent at our draft spot. Still not drafting a QB? Your answer is no, then you're fired.
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I disagree completely..
If we struggle early (so many rookies) but then everything starts clicking late, but we still end up on the short end more than not... 5-11 or even 6-10 could "still" net us a top 5 pick on any given year...
You're plan is to then blow it up?
There is NO WAY (barring injury) we draft a 1st round QB next year...
Why not? The days of giving rookies $35+ million contracts are done. I believe the contract Weeden signed is worth about $8 million. If we're picking in the top 5 and there's a QB on the board that is a better prospect than Weeden (who at that point will be almost 30 years old) why not sign him and hedge your bets on getting a franchise quarterback?
If we're picking in the top 5, it most likely means that Weeden didn't shine. If he's not shining when he's 29-30 years old, then we have to find someone who can play the position. Even if he does OK (anything short of spectacular means that he is replaceable) and we're picking in the top 5, I'd still get a QB (provided they're highly rated by our scouting team) because that rookie can then sit behind Weeden for 2 years (while making a very small salary) and be ready to step in 3-4 years down the road - even if he's as "old" as 24 by that point - thus giving us something we haven't had in literally decades: long-term stability.
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This is a really strong QB class and if you are top 5 you need a QB. Only teams with total crap at the QB position draft that high anymore.
General reply on this years draft. I thought Weeden was the best pure passer in this draft meaning if he has a clean pocket he was lights out but I would not have taken him in the first. I really thought he struggled when pressured but he does get rid of the ball quickly.
Schwartz went right where I would have taken him.
JMJ was a steal, I had a 2nd round grade on the kid. I highly doubt Fujita ever starts another game for the Browns unless there is an injury.
I also had a 2nd round grade on Billy Winn. I think he will be invaluable on passing downs before this year is done.
The real surprise for me has been Benjamin. I thought there was absolutely no way he would make the final cut because he simply could not catch at all. Now he is showing great hands and is likely to earn a prominent role in the receiver rotation. Whomever worked with this kid did a great job.
Gordon was a big shocker just due to the failed drug tests and limited experience. I liked what I saw on film but my chin hit the floor when I saw we spent a 2nd on the kid and now he is probably in the starting lineup on opening day.
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Two ways it could come out Peen.., 1. He reverts back and uses drugs and ruins his career and his life. or 2. he's learned his lesson and will stay clean. Plenty of examples of both in the NFL.
All reports from the media covering and a couple of folks that have been there show this kid is a bit of a freak talent wise (I mean for this point of his career in the NFL)
So it appears the skill level is there (thus far). Is the head on straight? We shall see.
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Also just to piggy my post, suppose Weeden is....mediocre and we have a chance to draft RGIII like talent at our draft spot. Still not drafting a QB? Your answer is no, then you're fired.
What if RGIII is ....mediocre? Do we still want to pay attention to a pre-draft hype machine?
I think that perhaps we should maybe see what this year tells us before we go trying to figure out next year.
and Held, we'll be back to a 3-4 in 2020, so start scouting us some OLB tweeners, please? Thanks!
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Two ways it could come out Peen.., 1. He reverts back and uses drugs and ruins his career and his life. or 2. he's learned his lesson and will stay clean. Plenty of examples of both in the NFL.
I'll give you a 3rd option, which I think happens quite often... 3) He still smokes dope but manages to stay under the radar long enough for him to mature and voluntarily give it up for his own health/career before getting busted.
At 21, he still has a young mind... one that doesn't see how weed is affecting him and he believes, as long as he doesn't get caught, he can still play at the highest level. That, of course, is untrue. As he matures, he'll see this, especially when his god given ability starts to fade.... and that's when he'll see that to truly succeed in the NFL, you need to be 100% devoted to yourself and improving your game.
I'm not speaking out of ignorance here. I smoked dope for over a decade, throughout my 20s, and gave it up because it was finally affecting me on the field and I noticed it. It didn't in my early 20s. My body seemed to recover just fine... but by my mid-to-late 20s, it was very clear what effect it was having.
Personally.. I hope he just goes with your option #2 and truly finds out how good he can be during his prime. I wish I did the same and now at 36, that'll never happen. He needs to surround himself with the right people to steer him. If he wants to hang with his "boys" (as Peen mentioned) then the best we can hope for is that he somehow manages not to get busted long enough to mature out of it.
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Given his history, won't they pull a bunch of random drug tests on him to make sure he stays clean?
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So just out of curiosity Peen what should we have done different with our Draft picks this year? Say for argument sake that the issue of new ownership was not an issue.
I mean weather or not they had prior knowledge (back in April) and I don't really think that they did, because nothing was mentioned about us possibly being sold way back then.
I thought that we had a very good Draft this year in part due to picking high and also the extra selections we had to work with.
I realize that some of the picks where considered reaches at the time, but obviously not by Heckert himself.
I would have liked to have had one more high selection this year, because I felt like we still needed to address the WR position even with Benjamen.
We ended up doing so in the supplemental Draft, but if not for Gordon coming out, then we would probably still be one brick short of a load.
I think that we humans like to put things into nice little clean packages when trying to make order of a our lives, but sometimes (most of the time) there is no explanation to events that transpired other then happen stance. JMO.
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Also just to piggy my post, suppose Weeden is....mediocre and we have a chance to draft RGIII like talent at our draft spot. Still not drafting a QB? Your answer is no, then you're fired.
Something I don't see mentioned so far in terms of possibly drafting a QB in round 1 of next years draft is the new ownership group.
Maybe Shwartz is a little more mobile than I know of, but otherwise our OL is more athletic than bulky. Even Shwatrz isn't extremly bulky for a RT. While I don't think a single season is a fair judge of a QB if you do see progression, if the new ownership group doesn't see the progression they like, a trend towards a higher pick, more mobile QB may be a direction a new ownership group may wish to trend toward.
You need simply look at Shanhans OL all the way back to his Denver days to see what I'm speaking of. More shfts and pulls from a more athletic type of OL. We have the makings of that here already from the standpoint of the OL talent this assembled. I feel a G of a more athletic style of play may have to be added, but otherwise, the group wouldn't have to be "blown up" (which seems to be a very popular term around here as of late)
I'm by no way saying this will happen. However, looking at the physical make-up of our OL, (remember, other than Shwartz, this OL was assembled for a more mobile QB in McCoy), I could see this as one possibilty.
I think a lot of that will be determined by Heckerts future here. If they feel confident in the direction TH is taking the team in terms of scheme of players and our development over the course of this upcoming season, it most likely won't happen. But the new ownership group has no ties to Weeden.
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Given his history, won't they pull a bunch of random drug tests on him to make sure he stays clean?
I would say if our FO doesn't, Goodell will. The Czar will push his weight around to no bounds. And if I were to bet, I'd say there are clauses and conditions in his contract concerning drug screens. As it pertains to him having to pass them at any rate.
If not? They're total fools!
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Wether or not Weeden pans out, he is still a stop gap solution. Even if he gives us 5 good years. That would put him mid thirties, if he is able too handle NFL contact. We still need to be looking to draft a replacement in the next 3 years.
So obviously once the year gets under way, we should know what we have in Weeden. Regardless of the record. If he goes 0-16 idc, if he has "it" we should know. Even Aikmen went 1-15 his first year. Due to some recent success of some rookies, ppl startn to expect that or cry bust. That's the oddity not the norm. Some of the best qb's ever sat their first couple years and learned.
That's why I am In the keep McCoy camp. He has already shown he can be a leader and good locker room guy. He has had some success in his short span. He's a solid back-up qb for us. The funny thing is that Weedens career will probably end b4 mccoy. McCoy would be well schooled and experienced to take over for a couple years unless someone else emerges. So either way he is a safe bet and a .cheap, solid, back up, that works and studies hard. I don't see y so many want to get rid of him so quick for a 6th or 7th. ie some scrub that might make the practice squad.
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Wether or not Weeden pans out, he is still a stop gap solution. Even if he gives us 5 good years. That would put him mid thirties, if he is able too handle NFL contact. We still need to be looking to draft a replacement in the next 3 years.
Actually both Brees at 33 and P. Manning at 36 both just signed deals. And yes, IF Weeden transitions to the NFL well and is successful he is a fine QB considering we landed him at the #22 spot.
Problem being, I can give you a HUGE list of even higher regarded QB's coming into the draft than Weeden that simply busted in the NFL.
I like Weeden and know he has the tools, but it takes a certain "it" factor in the NFL to be a great franchise QB. And until a team finds a guy with that "it" factor? They keep looking for that guy........
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So obviously once the year gets under way, we should know what we have in Weeden. Regardless of the record. If he goes 0-16 idc, if he has "it" we should know. Even Aikmen went 1-15 his first year. Due to some recent success of some rookies, ppl startn to expect that or cry bust. That's the oddity not the norm. Some of the best qb's ever sat their first couple years and learned.
I agree with you completly. You can't blame what every player on the field does on one man. Just as you can't blame all of one mans shortcomings on everyone else on the field. Each person should be evaluated upon what "he does at his position."
A QB can't catch the ball. But a QB can lead his WR's to allow for more YAC and put the ball in a position your WR's don't get beat to hello every time they make a catch either. A QB can become more accurate and do those things and it doesn't take long to tell if he is developing or not in that area.
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That's why I am In the keep McCoy camp. He has already shown he can be a leader and good locker room guy. He has had some success in his short span.
I guess that would depend on your definition of success. I saw him as a raw prospect and where he was drafted indicated such. I thought that his arm would get stronger and his accuracy and ability to lead the WR's and ball placement would get better. I didn't see that in him.....
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He's a solid back-up qb for us. The funny thing is that Weedens career will probably end b4 mccoy.
I feel he would make a very adequate back-up for us and considering their respective ages, yes Colt could be on an NFL roster longer than Weeden.
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McCoy would be well schooled and experienced to take over for a couple years unless someone else emerges.
If in two years your accuracy, arm strength and ability to lead your WR's, combined with being able to place the ball where it needs to be is not improving, it's not likely it will suddenly reverse course. That's why Weeden was drafted.
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So either way he is a safe bet and a .cheap, solid, back up, that works and studies hard. I don't see y so many want to get rid of him so quick for a 6th or 7th. ie some scrub that might make the practice squad.
I don't feel that "that many" really do want to get rid of him on the cheap. It just seems to be the natural order of things in the NFL. Usually if one starter doesn't pan out and another is drafted to replace him, the former starter is traded. That's not always the case, but it usually is.
So at least in my case, I think it's more of what I "expect to happen" than "what I want" to happen.
I do however feel your idea of Colt coming back and starting as a "stop gap measure" once Weedens "time is up" due to his age is more wishfull thinking than anything. To me, Colt has shown not only doesn't he have "it", he's not on his way to getting "it".
If Weeden doesn't have "it", they'll keep drafting QB's until they find someone that does.
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I'm not hoping that colt takes over after weeden. I was just stating that if he hangs around ... He could be in competition for starting job if we havnt found someone by then. My point was that he would be much more knowledgeable in 5 years and experienced and I think he's worth keeping around for cheap.
I never cared for Wallace at all and is too expensive compared to colt
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I'm not really sure what you mean.
Colt has been religated as the back-up at best.
Just as Colt, (probably "former starter"), gets to compete for the starting job, so will Weeden when a QB is drafted to be his successor. Colt would be the back-up. Just like Seneca is now.
Do you hear of our back-up (Wallace) competing for the starting position now? No you don't. I'm telling you, that's just the way things work. If Colt gets to compete for a starting QB role anywhere in the NFL in the future, it won't be here.
The next highly drafted QB after Weeden will compete with Weeden. He will get his shot to start. If he can't do it, yet another QB will be drafted to compete with him. And so on and so on. That's just how it works until you find a QB who has "it".
Once you religate a starter to a back-up, you've already figured out he doesn't have "it", so why would he be competing to start?
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I'm not really sure what you mean.
Colt has been religated as the back-up at best.
Just as Colt, (probably "former starter"), gets to compete for the starting job, so will Weeden when a QB is drafted to be his successor. Colt would be the back-up. Just like Seneca is now.
Do you hear of our back-up (Wallace) competing for the starting position now? No you don't. I'm telling you, that's just the way things work. If Colt gets to compete for a starting QB role anywhere in the NFL in the future, it won't be here.
The next highly drafted QB after Weeden will compete with Weeden. He will get his shot to start. If he can't do it, yet another QB will be drafted to compete with him. And so on and so on. That's just how it works until you find a QB who has "it".
Once you religate a starter to a back-up, you've already figured out he doesn't have "it", so why would he be competing to start?
Excellent point. After reading what you wrote I can not think of 1 single QB who ever was the starter on a team lost his starting role to another QB then came back years down the road to reclaim that starting position.
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I'm not really sure what you mean.
Colt has been religated as the back-up at best.
Just as Colt, (probably "former starter"), gets to compete for the starting job, so will Weeden when a QB is drafted to be his successor. Colt would be the back-up. Just like Seneca is now.
Do you hear of our back-up (Wallace) competing for the starting position now? No you don't. I'm telling you, that's just the way things work. If Colt gets to compete for a starting QB role anywhere in the NFL in the future, it won't be here.
The next highly drafted QB after Weeden will compete with Weeden. He will get his shot to start. If he can't do it, yet another QB will be drafted to compete with him. And so on and so on. That's just how it works until you find a QB who has "it".
Once you religate a starter to a back-up, you've already figured out he doesn't have "it", so why would he be competing to start?
Excellent point. After reading what you wrote I can not think of 1 single QB who ever was the starter on a team lost his starting role to another QB then came back years down the road to reclaim that starting position.
Not only that, it's hard to pinpoint players who were the starter, then lost the job, and stick with that team for any real length of time.
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I'm not really sure what you mean.
Colt has been religated as the back-up at best.
Just as Colt, (probably "former starter"), gets to compete for the starting job, so will Weeden when a QB is drafted to be his successor. Colt would be the back-up. Just like Seneca is now.
Do you hear of our back-up (Wallace) competing for the starting position now? No you don't. I'm telling you, that's just the way things work. If Colt gets to compete for a starting QB role anywhere in the NFL in the future, it won't be here.
The next highly drafted QB after Weeden will compete with Weeden. He will get his shot to start. If he can't do it, yet another QB will be drafted to compete with him. And so on and so on. That's just how it works until you find a QB who has "it".
Once you religate a starter to a back-up, you've already figured out he doesn't have "it", so why would he be competing to start?
Excellent point. After reading what you wrote I can not think of 1 single QB who ever was the starter on a team lost his starting role to another QB then came back years down the road to reclaim that starting position.
Not only that, it's hard to pinpoint players who were the starter, then lost the job, and stick with that team for any real length of time.
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neither Holcomb nor Garcia lost their starting job to another qb who then started over them for years and then regained that starting job with the same team.
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neither Holcomb nor Garcia lost their starting job to another qb who then started over them for years and then regained that starting job with the same team.
different teams
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there are tons on different teams
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I see Colt McCoy as being a similar QB to guys like Brady Quinn and Charlie Frye. They were all cautious, overly careful, and even timid passers, unwilling to take a chance to make a big play.
Hell, a QB doesn't even have to complete a ton of those deep pass attempts to open up a defense ..... all he has to do is get close enough to put the fear of 50 yard TDs in the defense's heart.
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neither Holcomb nor Garcia lost their starting job to another qb who then started over them for years and then regained that starting job with the same team.
different teams
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there are tons on different teams
Right but we are talking about on the same team. Like it or not McCoy is not going to be the starter for the Browns again except by injury or if Weeden totally bombs out and in that case we will be looking for a replacement in the next draft to replace Weeden and/or McCoy.
Again I like McCoy but I do see some holes in his game and believe he can be a great back up QB. There is nothing wrong with that either its not a slam on McCoy.
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neither Holcomb nor Garcia lost their starting job to another qb who then started over them for years and then regained that starting job with the same team.
different teams
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Right but we are talking about on the same team. Like it or not McCoy is not going to be the starter for the Browns again except by injury or if Weeden totally bombs out and in that case we will be looking for a replacement in the next draft to replace Weeden and/or McCoy.
Again I like McCoy but I do see some holes in his game and believe he can be a great back up QB. There is nothing wrong with that either its not a slam on McCoy.
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I'm ok if McCoy never starts again and Weeden brings up to greatness.
I am also ok if for some reason Weeden wasn't playing a game and McCoy lights it up in his absence
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