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I figured that this could be a good jumping off point for a new thread. Jimmy Haslam promises that he's in for the "long haul'' and wouldn't dream of moving tradition-rich Browns out of Cleveland | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/08/jimmy_haslam_putting_on_my_ora.htmlBEREA, Ohio -- Hours after Tennessee billionaire Jimmy Haslam III reached an agreement with Randy Lerner to buy the Browns on Thursday, he returned to his Knoxville home for the pivotal Changing of the Watch. "I've worn a Steelers watch for the last four years," said Haslam, a minority owner of the Steelers since 2008, in an exclusive interview with The Plain Dealer. "I didn't want to be premature and jinx anything, but now I'm putting on my Cleveland Browns watch. I've taken off all of my black and gold and I'm putting on my orange and brown." It's a new day in Cleveland Browns football. Haslam, whose family made its $3 billion fortune on Pilot Flying J travel centers, will officially become the new owner as soon as three-quarters of the NFL owners approve the sale, which could come before the start of the regular season in September. The next owners' meeting is Oct. 16-17 in Chicago, but Commissioner Roger Goodell could call a special session to expedite the sale -- and that's likely to happen, according to league sources. The transfer of ownership would take about two weeks after approval. Haslam, 58, will buy the Browns for about $1 billion -- $700 million now and $300 million when he buys out Lerner's remaining 30 percent, which will take place on the fourth anniversary of the closing date. In the meantime, Haslam, who will watch practice Friday morning and be introduced at a 1 p.m. press conference in Berea, wants to re-assure fans that the franchise isn't going anywhere. "We're not moving the Cleveland Browns," said Haslam, who arrived in town Thursday night. "To own a team with a such a rich tradition and history is a dream come true. Randy had four things he wanted and I won't share all of them, but No. 1 was we keep them in Cleveland. Why would we move? I've been to three games there on the other side of the field and I've seen the intensity and the enthusiasm. That thought never, ever entered our minds." Haslam also stressed that not only are the Browns here to stay, so is he. No more upheaval or overhauls. "We're in this for the long run," he said. "We've owned our family business for 53 years. There are some people that come into a franchise for three years and sell it. That's not us. Our family is in this for the long, long run." Haslam's No. 1 promise is he's here to restore the Browns to its old championship luster. "Our entire effort, our entire focus is going to be on creating a winning team," he said. "We're immensely excited about this opportunity and Ohio's a great football state. "The Browns are one of the iconic franchise in the NFL. Their fans are renowned as being amongst the best fans in the country and we feel its our responsibility to give the Cleveland fans and the Cleveland community a winning team." So what's a self-described "1,000 percent Steelers fan" doing owning the Browns? "That's a fair question," Haslam said with a hearty laugh. "The four years that we were a small part of the Pittsburgh organization were a great experience for us. The Rooneys are everything you hear they are. They're class people. In the four years we were part of the franchise, they went to two Super Bowls, won one and they just do things the right way. "Having said that, I had a conversation with Art Rooney today and we've become good friends and the last thing he said was, 'I'm going to have to learn to hate you on Sundays.' "Our challenge is candidly the Cleveland-Pittsburgh rivalry is not what it when you were growing up. Our challenge is to turn the Browns into a team that will once again regenerate that rivalry." Haslam, who made his long-held desire to own an NFL team known to the Rooneys, received a call about six weeks ago to contact Lerner. "I met Randy for the first time on Monday, July 2, that's how fast this has gone," Haslam said. "We thought it was an unbelievable opportunity and we checked with four or five people that have been involved in the NFL for a long, long time and everybody told us -- it was our instinct anyway -- that if you have a chance to get the Cleveland Browns, jump all over it." Haslam, who will divest his interest in the Steelers, will bring in former Eagles President Joe Banner to run the team once the sale is approved, league sources said. He said he's talked to Banner, but wouldn't confirm his involvement. "I don't own the team yet, so comments about current or future personnel would be unfair," he said. He had dinner with Browns President Mike Holmgren Thursday night to discuss the team and his future. "I'm looking forward to meeting one of the great legends of the NFL," he said beforehand. "We just don't want to be a distraction to Pat Shurmur or the team as they prepare for the season." Holmgren, who has three years left on his five-year contract at $8 million a year, said he hopes to stay on this season and be part of what he feels will be a winning team. "But we'll see," he said Thursday afternoon to reporters. Haslam, a major benefactor of the University of Tennessee, said his wife Susan will look at homes in the Cleveland area over the next few days. He said they'll maintain their primary residence in Knoxville, where the business is located, and that he'll remain CEO of Pilot Flying J. "But we're going to be in Cleveland frequently, and we're going to be active in the community," he said. "We've been involved in a multitude of philanthropic opportunities and we plan on establishing the same type of base in Cleveland. This is a huge deal to our family, it's a substantial investment and we're very excited." As for being a hands-on owner, he said, "We don't pretend to be experts in evaluating talent and coaching talent. We think we have a lot to learn. The best thing we can do is ensure that we have the best people in place. But if you check our business background, we're regarded as hands-on people." He chuckled when asked if he'll bring in his good friend Peyton Manning to run the team someday in a John Elway-type role. Haslam talks to the Mannings frequently. "They're great friends," he said. "Peyton is of course is a legend in Tennessee and Archie, Eli, our families are great friends. I just got a text from Archie. You won't find better people than the Manning family. I'd say he's focused on being a great quarterback for the Broncos now and I've checked the schedule -- we'll be out there on Dec. 23." But he did allow, "Peyton's a great talent. He's not only a great athlete, he's also a very smart person." He said Lerner has told him, "listen, I'll do as little or as much as you want. My plan is to stay in the background, but anytime you need anything, just give me a call." Haslam also said his three adult children might get involved with the team down the road. Haslam said he hopes to run the Browns the same way the Rooneys run the Steelers, building through the draft and treating everyone with respect. He also admires their consistent success. "When you get off that elevator, there are those six Super Bowl trophies," he said. "I don't care who you are, you get fired up." If he has his way, he'll decorate the Browns' foyer in a similar fashion.
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Step 1 is his re-education.... it isn't Black and Gold, it is Black and Yellow. Everything else should fall into place after that. 
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I thought being at Heinz Field it was the Black & Mustard?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Good Interview says all the right things. I'll give him a pass, but show me...show me.
Us Browns fans are some of the best, but to me i'm more than just a fan, it's who I am, it's me it's part of me, being a Browns fan is one of the 10 most important things in my life, right or wrong being a Browns fan is just below being a father or husband and on some Sundays I think it passes those, it's what makes me and us who we are...it's part of our soul, part of our being.....So mister new owner, say the right things, but show us you understand what being a Cleveland Browns really means...it's not waiving a pennet on Sunday or yelling GO Browns, it's part of us..our lifes....be honest, DO WHAT YA SAY YOUR GONNA DO....but SHOW us your here....dont mess with our Browns...
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Chances are likely that he'll come in and clean house... From Holmgren all the way down to Shurmur and Co. come the end of the year. While I understand the thinking as a new owner, I also HOPE they are fair in assessing the talent, roster, improvements, etc. In other words, let's just say the optimism around Cleveland proves to hold true ... PLEASE don't tear it up just to tear it up.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I understand wanting to bring the "rivalry" back.. but I want a championship.. that should be the biggest concern..
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As for being a hands-on owner, he said, "We don't pretend to be experts in evaluating talent and coaching talent. We think we have a lot to learn. The best thing we can do is ensure that we have the best people in place. But if you check our business background, we're regarded as hands-on people."
Good to hear Haslam admit, his experience level in evaluating football and coaching talent is not a strength. He needs to take great care how he handles the transition as the new owner.
This is a critical period for the team with possibly 5 rookie starters being added to the offense, at the most critical positions. The coaching staff is focused on coaching up the young starters to prepare them for their introduction to the NFL.
It would be a huge mistake to expect miracles from a team faced with the challenges the Browns face this season.
Expectations need to be "realistic" going into this season.
The best advice I could give Haslam is to review how the Steelers transitioned from losing franchise to a winning franchise when Chuck Noll took over as head coach.
It is rare in the NFL that a franchise builds/rebuilds their team in the way Chuck Noll built the Steelers. Chuck Noll took over a franchise that was a loser for "decades" and he turned them into winners by rebuilding the team's roster via the draft.
As a minority owner of the Steelers, I hope Haslam took the time to study and understand the history of the Steelers and how they turned their franchise around by rebuilding the Steelers' roster via the draft.
The similarities between the 1969, 1970 and 1971 Steelers and the 2010, 2011 and 2012 Browns could not be more obvious.
Haslam picked an ideal time to buy a majority stake in the Browns. Replacing one wealthy owner with a wealthier owner...that is a good thing as long as the new guy understands the process started in 2010.
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Chances are likely that he'll come in and clean house... From Holmgren all the way down to Shurmur and Co. come the end of the year. While I understand the thinking as a new owner, I also HOPE they are fair in assessing the talent, roster, improvements, etc. In other words, let's just say the optimism around Cleveland proves to hold true ... PLEASE don't tear it up just to tear it up.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he leaves a lot as is... I could see him brining in the guy from the Eagles but also having Holmgren and Heckertt staying in place... if we show some progress on the field I'd be very surprised if he blows it up completely....
really enjoyed the interview... from everything I've read he seems like a great guy and should really be good not only for the Browns (hopefully) but definitely for the city of Cleveland itself... my parents live in Knoxville and have only great things to say about Haslam in terms of his work ethic and philatrophy in the Knoxville area. I expected that he would keep his main residence in Knoxville but was excited to hear that he'll be being a house in Cleveland as well... hopefully we'll be in store for some exciting times in Cleveland..... I'm ready to get down to some football though.
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Chances are likely that he'll come in and clean house... From Holmgren all the way down to Shurmur and Co. come the end of the year. While I understand the thinking as a new owner, I also HOPE they are fair in assessing the talent, roster, improvements, etc. In other words, let's just say the optimism around Cleveland proves to hold true ... PLEASE don't tear it up just to tear it up.
I don't think he'll do that at all.
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Chances are likely that he'll come in and clean house... From Holmgren all the way down to Shurmur and Co. come the end of the year. While I understand the thinking as a new owner, I also HOPE they are fair in assessing the talent, roster, improvements, etc. In other words, let's just say the optimism around Cleveland proves to hold true ... PLEASE don't tear it up just to tear it up.
I don't think he'll do that at all.
I hope you're right. Heckert and Shurmur deserve a chance. A much better one than they've been given.
If this guy makes a move just to make a move. To bring in his guys because that's what everyone else does... He better have great people lined up. People who are going to be in place for a long time.
If you fire Shurmur, it better be because we had the same result as last year, and Andy Reid just happens to be available at year's end...
Heckert? As Peen said in another topic, who out there right now, that doesn't have a job is going to do it better than him?
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Chances are likely that he'll come in and clean house... From Holmgren all the way down to Shurmur and Co. come the end of the year. While I understand the thinking as a new owner, I also HOPE they are fair in assessing the talent, roster, improvements, etc. In other words, let's just say the optimism around Cleveland proves to hold true ... PLEASE don't tear it up just to tear it up.
I don't think he'll do that at all.
I hope you're right. Heckert and Shurmur deserve a chance. A much better one than they've been given.
If this guy makes a move just to make a move. To bring in his guys because that's what everyone else does... He better have great people lined up. People who are going to be in place for a long time.
If you fire Shurmur, it better be because we had the same result as last year, and Andy Reid just happens to be available at year's end...
Heckert? As Peen said in another topic, who out there right now, that doesn't have a job is going to do it better than him?
The man is dropping 700 Million today and another 300 mill in 4 years for full ownership.
If the ship wasn't pointed in the right direction, I'd say,, yeah, rip it down and start over. But we just added a premier RB, a possible franchise QB, a decent Oline, a decent Defense (all needing tweeks and such) and it's the first full year of off season for the coaching staff and players.
He says he believes the steelers do things right by building through the draft which is the same process Heckert and company are using.. As far as I"m concerned, on paper, we are already doing things the way he wants them done.
So, unless the production on the field isn't there this year, I suspect things won't change all that much.
Biggest departure will most likely be Holmgren.. and even that might be a mistake. he's orchestrated the moves that brought the folks in that are moving this in the right direction.. so dumping him might actually be a mistake.
we'll see I guess.
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Anyone see him on the practice field this morning?! Brown shorts, no socks, athletic shoes and a gray t shirt. How un Lerner is that! His 80 year old dad dressed similar. I love his open kid like excitement!
Never saw it with the Lerner family.
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I wonder how the Peyton Manning derby shakes out if Haslam owns the Browns back then? Woulda been interesting.
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I understand wanting to bring the "rivalry" back.. but I want a championship.. that should be the biggest concern..
VERY little way you can have a Championship without that rivalry coming back. And chances are good that the rivalry will have to come back before a championship is even possible.
I REALLY like the fact he learned under one of, in not THE best-run organization in football before owning this team. Experience like that would have helped Randy. And I don't care it was with the Steelers...we could only be so lucky to come close to the success they've had for decades (minus a somewhat short dark period which ever team has their ups and downs).
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I'm hoping this means bringing more fun back to the stadium...I wouldn't mind being on my feet the whole game as the Browns knock the Steelers face masks into the turf.....
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Per Roto: One league source tells Clark Judge of CBS Sports that new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam plans to "blow the whole place up," likely ousting team president Mike Holmgren and GM Tom Heckert. Multiple outlets are reporting that former Eagles president Joe Banner will run football operations for Haslam. Although Holmgren has carried over the questionable personnel decisions from his GM tenure in Seattle, it was thought that Heckert might be safe due to his close relationship with Banner in Philadelphia. It can certainly be argued that Heckert deserves a chance to see the draft classes of the past two years develop. Holmgren is in the third year of a five-year deal that pays him $8 million annually.  That's why I didn't want this to go down NOW....this org just cant get any kind of stability. If he really blows this up I really feel bad for guys like Dawson, Dqwell or Cribbs, who have gone through this multiple times already and still re-signed here and needless to say that the past 2 drafts lose some value too...what a crap timing to sell...I'm really starting to hate Lerner....yeah, he cares about the Browns my ***....this was a pure money move
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I'll believe it when it happens..
I don't think Haslam will blow anything up.. atleast not this season..
I think we have a good set of coaches in here, especially at o-coord and d-coord. as long as we don't switch back to a 3-4 defense.. i really don't care about the coaches..
I do REALLY want to keep Heckert though.. He's done a great job!
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Winning fixes everything. If the Browns play well this year and show substantial improvement, why would anyone mess with the leadership of a team on the upswing?
I don;t think Holm, Heck or Shurm are going anywhere because I honestly feel like its going to be a great year. We're going to look light years better than last year. Tough schedule aside- I bet we're still in wild card contention in December.
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I think we just have to be patient. If this year goes well, I highly doubt he'll blow anything up. We just have to wait and see like always.
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Chances are likely that he'll come in and clean house... From Holmgren all the way down to Shurmur and Co. come the end of the year. While I understand the thinking as a new owner, I also HOPE they are fair in assessing the talent, roster, improvements, etc. In other words, let's just say the optimism around Cleveland proves to hold true ... PLEASE don't tear it up just to tear it up.
I don't think he'll do that at all.
I hope you're right. Heckert and Shurmur deserve a chance. A much better one than they've been given.
If this guy makes a move just to make a move. To bring in his guys because that's what everyone else does... He better have great people lined up. People who are going to be in place for a long time.
If you fire Shurmur, it better be because we had the same result as last year, and Andy Reid just happens to be available at year's end...
Heckert? As Peen said in another topic, who out there right now, that doesn't have a job is going to do it better than him?
The man is dropping 700 Million today and another 300 mill in 4 years for full ownership.
If the ship wasn't pointed in the right direction, I'd say,, yeah, rip it down and start over. But we just added a premier RB, a possible franchise QB, a decent Oline, a decent Defense (all needing tweeks and such) and it's the first full year of off season for the coaching staff and players.
He says he believes the steelers do things right by building through the draft which is the same process Heckert and company are using.. As far as I"m concerned, on paper, we are already doing things the way he wants them done.
So, unless the production on the field isn't there this year, I suspect things won't change all that much.
Biggest departure will most likely be Holmgren.. and even that might be a mistake. he's orchestrated the moves that brought the folks in that are moving this in the right direction.. so dumping him might actually be a mistake.
we'll see I guess.
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One league source tells Clark Judge of CBS Sports that new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam plans to "blow the whole place up,"
Really? you get a quote from an unnamed source and make it sound like its a quote from Haslam. I call complete BS on this. This is media feeding on fear. I hate this crap that passes for journalism. Who the heck is Roto?
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Watch new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam III’s Friday afternoon media availability session at 1 p.m./ET at ClevelandBrowns.com.
New Browns owner Jimmy Haslam III will address the Cleveland media today at 1 p.m./ET in a press conference in the Dino Lucarelli Media Center at the team’s Berea training facility. He will discuss his purchase of a controlling interest in the Cleveland Browns from Randy Lerner.
Fans can watch a live stream of Haslam’s press conference on ClevelandBrowns.com. The video will be archived and available on demand at ClevelandBrowns.com.
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One league source tells Clark Judge of CBS Sports that new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam plans to "blow the whole place up," likely ousting team president Mike Holmgren and GM Tom Heckert.
Multiple outlets are reporting that former Eagles president Joe Banner will run football operations for Haslam. Although Holmgren has carried over the questionable personnel decisions from his GM tenure in Seattle, it was thought that Heckert might be safe due to his close relationship with Banner in Philadelphia. It can certainly be argued that Heckert deserves a chance to see the draft classes of the past two years develop. Holmgren is in the third year of a five-year deal that pays him $8 million annually.
That's why I didn't want this to go down NOW....this org just cant get any kind of stability. If he really blows this up I really feel bad for guys like Dawson, Dqwell or Cribbs, who have gone through this multiple times already and still re-signed here
and needless to say that the past 2 drafts lose some value too...what a crap timing to sell...I'm really starting to hate Lerner....yeah, he cares about the Browns my ***....this was a pure money move
If this is true, I'm not going to care much for our new owner..
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Daman, you just told me earlier that you didn't think that would happen at all. Was that just a hunch, educated guess, etc?
I am fearful of the "blowing things up" option come January 2013
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Its going to be exactly what you think. Totally scripted, total PC press conference.
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That's fine. I just want to see the guy.
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One league source tells Clark Judge of CBS Sports that new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam plans to "blow the whole place up," likely ousting team president Mike Holmgren and GM Tom Heckert.
Multiple outlets are reporting that former Eagles president Joe Banner will run football operations for Haslam. Although Holmgren has carried over the questionable personnel decisions from his GM tenure in Seattle, it was thought that Heckert might be safe due to his close relationship with Banner in Philadelphia. It can certainly be argued that Heckert deserves a chance to see the draft classes of the past two years develop. Holmgren is in the third year of a five-year deal that pays him $8 million annually.
That's why I didn't want this to go down NOW....this org just cant get any kind of stability. If he really blows this up I really feel bad for guys like Dawson, Dqwell or Cribbs, who have gone through this multiple times already and still re-signed here
and needless to say that the past 2 drafts lose some value too...what a crap timing to sell...I'm really starting to hate Lerner....yeah, he cares about the Browns my ***....this was a pure money move
If they blow it up and we start over again, I'm done with this team.
Bank it.
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Daman, you just told me earlier that you didn't think that would happen at all. Was that just a hunch, educated guess, etc?
I am fearful of the "blowing things up" option come January 2013
Of course it was an hunch or educated guess, I don't have an inside track into the mind of Haslam or anything like that to know for sure about anything.
I based my thinking on some assumptions from the article.
Haslam says he thinks the Steelers do it right by building through the draft right.. well, so does heckert and Holmgren. Agreement
We just drafted the best RB in the Draft
We supposedly (still to be seen) drafted our Franchise QB
We Supposedly solidified the right side of the Oline
We supposedly drafted a top shelf talent at WR who needs work, but so far is showing some interesting signs in camp of being for real.
And if you believe the reporters covering the browns, some of last years young late round picks are starting to produce.
You have a HC that has one year under his belt and a tough year it was given the lock out and missing pieces that are now supposedly in place.
So will he blow it up this year.. Certainly not. he doesn't even take over till mid season. so that's damn near a given.
If this team progresses (and to what level, I'm not sure) he'd be nuts to blow up something that appears to be on the upswing.
Couple that with Haslam admitting he's not a football guru and that he plans on hiring folks that are, tells me he's a businessman first, and a fan second and that tells me he'll use his head not his heart when making changes.
if this teams goes 3 or 4 wins next season,, that's a horse of a different color. blowing it up might be the right thing to do.
We'll just have to wait and see.
But for any reporter to come out and report that Haslam intends to blow up everything, that's just sensationalisim. Nothing more.
Is everything above a hunch.. Yes it is. but it's based on what is right in front of us.
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I think we just have to be patient. If this year goes well, I highly doubt he'll blow anything up. We just have to wait and see like always.
That's how I feel...The blowing up thing as now is all speculation..
And if it comes to a point of change..It may be a little change..or a big one..
What are we really blowing up ? It's not like a team that's expected to be a contender for the AFC Championship or a Super Bowl run...
It's like an old building that's falling apart and is an eye sore.. The owner decides to blow it up...clean it up..then construct a better ... more beautiful building..
I don't get upset with change around here..It's been a 4 win team for years..
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I find it interesting that the vast majority of Brown's fans I talk to are in favor of not blowing things up or even swapping out major pieces. Usually it's closer to 50/50 or worse at any given time. I think only the off season of '07-'08 had more enthusiasm and unity. I hope for all of our sake we muster 6 or 7 wins this year. Anything less and out come the blasting caps. Of course the great fear is 6-7 wins and we blow it up anyway. I'll never totally walk away from the Browns but I'll take a step back and wait it out with the rest of the bandwagoneers if that happens. I'm too tired to live through 3 years of bottom dwelling and slooooow rise hoping that the new owner gets it right on his first attempt. I have to say that I appreciate his candor when talking about his lack of evaluation skills but I want someone who knows what the hell he's doing.
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I think the biggest question mark with the current Browns is Shurmur.
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j/c
Surprised no one is floating the "Cowher to Cleveland is now a lock" rumor.
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I think the biggest question mark with the current Browns is Shurmur.
Ahh,, the guy has had one year, no off season for that year, changed the systems completely, lacked some talent and didn't have an OC so he had to wear that hat.
that's fact, not excuse. This year, he's been given more talent, he's gotten himself an OC that pushes the same system he does, he's been given the off season to work with the players.
If he doesn't show his ability this year,, then yeah, I'll agree, he's a problem.
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I'd be cool with canning Pat if we brought in Chud. I think that guy is going to be a good head coach one of these days.
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j/c
Surprised no one is floating the "Cowher to Cleveland is now a lock" rumor.
I sincerely hope not. To both the flourishing of the rumor and the potential for reality.
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I think people overreact to the whole "blow up the team" scenarios.
If Holmgren and Co. are ousted in this ownership takeover, the Browns success likely won't hinge on who is brought in to take their place but instead how well the front office drafted this past season.
If they drafted poorly, they likely deserved to go anyway. If they drafted well, it's a good bridge to a new GM, scouting department, etc. These guys are smart enough not to have a fire-sale as it pertains to good, young talent.
In the 3 seasons under Holmgren, the Browns are / were 5-11, 5-11, 4-12. You trying to tell me it's the end of the world if, after another 4-12 season, the team needs to start over? 4 years in the NFL is an eternity.
It's all about finding the right people. Change doesn't always mean starting over. Sometimes change is the catalyst to finally get over the hump. Year in and year out teams turnover coaches, front offices, etc. and end up winning immediately. Just because the Browns haven't had success with that scenario the past fews years doesn't mean they won't have success with that approach in the future. You can only ride a losing regime for so long. They either have it or they don't.
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f they blow it up and we start over again, I'm done with this team.
Bank it.
I'm with you.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Live press conference at 1pm with our new owner. Stream can be found on the main browns website. I'll be in the chat for those who can't watch.
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