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I know Haden hasn't done it yet, but at this stage it boggles my mind when athletes play the "I didn't know" card... If I was an athlete in a sport that involved drug testing, I would never go to the doctor without my list of banned substances and if they weren't sure if something qualified, unless I was dying on the spot, I'd still call the league office for a ruling... then if something happened, I would at least be able to say I did all I could to prevent it...
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If there isn't at least a fair amount of truth to it, why is Haden and his agent saying "No comment"? I would think if I was asked if I was being suspended for substance violation and I knew nothing about it.. I would tell the person that they are nuts.
Then you'd have to say something about every allegation as well that may come up. You shouldn't feel the need to respond to trolls. But then again, there might be some truth to it, but we simply don't know yet.
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Why is adderral a banned substance? I'm not sure how it gives someone an unfair advantage in competition.
From what I remember hearing, adderral wears off while you are working out anyway.
I took it once (it's a college study drug, also a party drug. Somewhat similar to cocaine), and I played some paddle tennis and quickly didn't even notice its effects.
Different than when i'd get high and play paddle tennis (when I could definitely notice it, lol)
But anyway, I'm guessing that he took it while partying one night, to stay up later, and it was still in his system when he took the test. I think it stays in your body like 4 days or something like that. Who knows, may be he'd take it to read the playbook.
But adderrall wouldn't be particularly helpful on the football field i don't think. And i've used it plenty. It's very good at keeping you awake and very good at making you focus on things, but as I said, I think the effects wear off with physical activity.
And I thought I was going to be so keyed in during my tennis match, lol. Thought i'd have a real advantage, and once i started running i didn't even notice it. But that's just my own experience, competing with my buddies.
It's really too bad. It's abused by so many kids to give them a scholastic advantage (which is why i used to take it, so that i'd have that same advantage). But I really have trouble thinking aderrall will do much for you on the sports field
Just Haden being stupid
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What I find most disturbing, if true, is the revelation that a single failed sample/incident can count as a player's two failed tests and result in the 4 game suspension.
I thought it was 1st - 4 games, 2nd - 8, 3rd -Year
They aren't testing out of the same batch. Just confirming it.
That's the disturbing part if you take the initial article at face value - they ARE testing out of the same sample for the 2nd test.
"Under terms of the league policy, a positive test results in a second test from the original sample. If that shows up positive as well, Haden would be suspended for the first four games of the regular season."
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It's a verification of the initial test.
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I understand that, but the way it is worded I read it to be that the initial fail as well as the verification both count as separate fails.... otherwise, it'd make much more sense to simply state that the results are pending verification, lol.
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j/c Hmmmmmmm...... Hate to hear the news. I haven't heard of any pattern of failed drug tests by Hayden before. You'd think a guy with a history of this kind of thing would be a much greater risk than Hayden. If this kind of thing will happen with someone that has shown no trend towards this kind of thing, someone who already has would be a HUGE risk! But we don't have to worry about that kind of thing. Hmmmm.... Never mind....... 
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Has there been any official verification of this yet?
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I haven't read any of the league laws, but I would find it hard to count it as 2 fails off of one sample.
I don't see how that could hold.
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Has there been any official verification of this yet?
Absolutely None.
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I haven't read any of the league laws, but I would find it hard to count it as 2 fails off of one sample.
I don't see how that could hold.
How what would hold? The NFL's policy is a four-game suspension for first-time offenders. If a test comes back positive, they take a second test from the same sample to verify their findings. If both come back positive, then the player is suspended for four games (assuming its his first offense).
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I haven't read any of the league laws, but I would find it hard to count it as 2 fails off of one sample.
I don't see how that could hold.
I don't either, but that wouldn't ever stop the league from doing it.
It does, however, make way more sense that what was written is completely faulty... kinda like the rest of the article.
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I heard that Grossi paid that girl that Joe took to prom to slip it into his sparkling grape juice so that he would have a story to write about.
You know, even though its not true, i could believe that about Grossi...he has an axe to grind...
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Why is adderral a banned substance? I'm not sure how it gives someone an unfair advantage in competition.
It's amphetamine... probably the biggest performance booster out there.
And he would be taking it in the offseason WHY?
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Shurmur said after the CBS Family night practice that he hasn't heard anything, and if he had, he couldn't comment on it.
This seems like a pretty weak rumor right now. And I'd be really disappointed if Haden tested positive for something like this.
But so far, the big dogs of journalism, like Schefter, Mort, and others haven't said anything so...I'll keep my hope.
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it's just par for the course at this point. I'm so tired of reading bad news with this team. From injuries, to drug tests, to bounty suspensions.
It's tough loving this team....PS, I'm still driving 2 hours to the stadium tonight
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1st - ADD is real
2nd - ADD is way over diagnosed.
3rd - Drug testing: You pee into a cup. The specimen is separated into an A sample and a B sample. The samples are sealed and labeled and sored appropriately for sample integrity. The A sample is tested. If negative then nothing else is done and the test is considered negative. If positive for the presence of a prohibited substance tested then the B sample is tested as confirmation. If the B is negative then the test is negative. If the B sample returns positive then the test is positive. This is one positive test.
I understand that the wording in the article is confusing. Either the author doesn't understand the testing process or he doesn't understand how to use the English language in a clear and succinct manner.
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2nd - ADD is way over diagnosed.
My 5 year old son doesn't pay attention sometimes.
So some people say he must have ADD, and needs medication...
My Response: "HE'S FIVE YEARS OLD."
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And he would be taking it in the offseason WHY?
May be he's behind in his playbook and needs to stay up to study it?
Otherwise, my guess: he's going out, partying, and wants to stay awake, and he probably had no idea that this would show up on a drug test.
He's definitely not using it for its "performance enhancing capabilities" (which I really don't see how it would apply on the football field)
And the final case, may be he's having anxiety, is diagnosed with ADD/ADHD, depression, who knows, but in that case (may be he's prescribed to it ::fingers crossed!::)
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How do we know he's not using meth or any other form of amphetamines?
From what I understand there is no drug test marker for adderall.
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I'm in the camp of "how do we know it's anything at all?" others have said nothing official has come out, what's to truly believe?
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Man, I wish they'd tell us something. Anything . . . Have a good night, all. Hopefully we'll know more in the morning. And hopefully it's all positive . . . 
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And hopefully it's all positive . . .
It's only 4 games.
In a year we probably won't be contending in.
If it was an accident/whatever, it better not/probably won't happen again now...
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Veteran Josh Cribbs acknowledged a problem and came as close as anyone to hinting at a general team fear of a suspension. “It’s unfortunate,” Cribbs said. “That’s my boy. We move on. We’re gonna get through it. “This is a ship. The ship moves on. He’d treat it that way if it was us.” web page
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Well it sounds to me like Cribbs let the cat out of the bag there. Reading between the lines, the team knows about the possible suspension ... and Haden has privately acknowledged it as a mistake, and that he'll have to take his punishment.
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What? No comment about lack of Free Agent Corners?
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Adderall stays detectable in your urine between two to four days. So Joe had used it within a few days of his drug test.
This differs from pot which stays in your system for weeks. Steroids can be in your system anywhere from 4 days to many months depending on the steroid.
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Has anyone seen confirming stories on Haden yet? My buddy said he thought he saw something on the NFL ticker but I can't find any source other than Grossi or people quoting Grossi....
Praying its not true but realize it probably is.... My enthusiasm for the season just dropped a foot.
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still just Grossi.
Haden refused to give a quote on it (which does make it sound like there are some legs to the story).
we'll see.
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Adderall stays detectable in your urine between two to four days. So Joe had used it within a few days of his drug test.
This differs from pot which stays in your system for weeks. Steroids can be in your system anywhere from 4 days to many months depending on the steroid.
(For anyone curious)
Marijuana can actually be out in less than 7 days in certain cases. Depends on the person, usage, etc..
Like I said before. it's hard to make judgement, but I think it's awful convienent that the NFL cannot say anything, therefore these players can use a cop-out excuse like adderall to cover up something that looks worse like steroids or cocaine or whatever.
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Peen, the only thing I can come up with was what if Haden's sample showed 2 banned substances for example Adderall and Weed/or whatever.
I hope this gets cleared up soon. Basically the 2nd string defense is going to be playing for the first month or so (No Haden, Taylor, Fujita)
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Has anyone seen confirming stories on Haden yet? My buddy said he thought he saw something on the NFL ticker but I can't find any source other than Grossi or people quoting Grossi....
Praying its not true but realize it probably is.... My enthusiasm for the season just dropped a foot.
Yeah, been away for a bit and thought there'd be confirmation either way by now.
If I had to dig for a silver lining, I'd say at least we're getting some considerably fresher bodies a bit into the season. That's all I got . . .
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i thought the one distinction the NFL could make was a PED vs. non-PED distinction when issuing the suspension.
so, he could cover for steroids but not cocaine. has this changed in the new CBA?
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Adderall stays detectable in your urine between two to four days. So Joe had used it within a few days of his drug test.
This differs from pot which stays in your system for weeks. Steroids can be in your system anywhere from 4 days to many months depending on the steroid.
(For anyone curious)
Marijuana can actually be out in less than 7 days in certain cases. Depends on the person, usage, etc..
Like I said before. it's hard to make judgement, but I think it's awful convienent that the NFL cannot say anything, therefore these players can use a cop-out excuse like adderall to cover up something that looks worse like steroids or cocaine or whatever.
If you smoke dope today or use smack today... if I take a hair sample and test it instead of urine, I can tell sometimes for up to a year.
That's a fact, I do that kinda testing all the time on my contract employees. they think they can sneak in some weed and get away with it a after a few months.. Not true.
I do not know if that works for adderall..
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Peen, the only thing I can come up with was what if Haden's sample showed 2 banned substances for example Adderall and Weed/or whatever.
I hope this gets cleared up soon. Basically the 2nd string defense is going to be playing for the first month or so (No Haden, Taylor, Fujita)
Don't know.
I do know, in nascar - drivers get tested. They pee, and the pee is split into 2 samples. Sample A is tested. If the driver (or crew for that matter - they get tested also) dispute the results, nascar tests sample B (from the same pee).
Allmendinger just got nailed. He's claiming the same thing: Adderall.
Regardless, I don't see how 2 tests from the same sample counts as 2 positives.
In nascar - they aren't looking for 2 positives, they look for one positive. If the driver disagrees, nascar will test the second sample.
Probably not making sense here.........but in essence, it's a last resort for nascar drivers...........basically saying "hey, that ain't right", only to be proven that it WAS right.
And yes, here recently, people that test positive for amphetamine seem to be claiming "adderall" as their defense.
Doesn't much matter what defense they claim, though.
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If you smoke dope today or use smack today... if I take a hair sample and test it instead of urine, I can tell sometimes for up to a year.
What if they buzz/shave their head all the time? Arm, leg or back hair can be used?
Maybe a sick question.....just wondering.
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If you smoke dope today or use smack today... if I take a hair sample and test it instead of urine, I can tell sometimes for up to a year.
What if they buzz/shave their head all the time? Arm, leg or back hair can be used?
Maybe a sick question.....just wondering.
they could shave it all and claim they are a swimmer
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