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There is no level playing field. That's my biggest problem.
I like to have a few beers myself, but I don't combine it with my work.
For the most part drug users, use them for recreation ... meaning on their own time. A drunk will drink all day everyday.
There is no level playing field, especially when you set it up that way... you are comparing a recreational drug user with an alcoholic... why not compare a recreational drug user with a recreational drinker or a drug addict with an alcoholic? It would be more level.
Most workplaces have rules in place for both... and the difference between them is that obtaining and using one is legal and the other is not... I think it's really that simple.
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There is no level playing field. That's my biggest problem.
I like to have a few beers myself, but I don't combine it with my work.
For the most part drug users, use them for recreation ... meaning on their own time. A drunk will drink all day everyday.
There is no level playing field, especially when you set it up that way... you are comparing a recreational drug user with an alcoholic... why not compare a recreational drug user with a recreational drinker or a drug addict with an alcoholic? It would be more level.
Most workplaces have rules in place for both... and the difference between them is that obtaining and using one is legal and the other is not... I think it's really that simple.
The effects are still the same though weather you obtain a legal prescription or not.
IMO if they are going to test for illegal drugs, then they should also keep those who have a legal prescription at home and not in the workplace and that's what I mean by a level playing field.
Both pose a risk. Your pain might be relieved, but your still nowhere near as cogent as when not on those pain killers.
I can't take anything for pain due to the Warfrin they have me on for blood clots and I never liked the side effects of pain pills anyway, but if I lived in a state where it's legal to get a prescription for Marijuana (My doctor told me so) I could get one threw the VA, because of my condition. Does that mean it would be okay for me to be high at work? No not in my book.
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because they are ..... illegal.
Makes no difference to me if they are legal or not ... at one time cocaine was legal. Alcohol is legal.
Weather you have a prescription or not it still has the 'same effects' on you, then if you took a pill you where not prescribed.
Well, many employers will worry that someone who partakes of one illegal activity may well take part in other illegal activities.
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IMO if they are going to test for illegal drugs, then they should also keep those who have a legal prescription at home and not in the workplace and that's what I mean by a level playing field.
Both pose a risk. Your pain might be relieved, but your still nowhere near as cogent as when not on those pain killers.
That would depend entirely on what the prescription was for.... and to some extent, what the persons job is.
If I have a bean counter who is on medication that might make him sleepy, I can probably live with that... if the guy operates a tower crane, well that's something different entirely.
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Still.....he could appeal the suspension and not miss any time in 2012, depending on how the appeal process plays out (see those two DT's in Minnesota, they were suspended for our opener 2-3 years ago, appealed, and then ended up playing the whole season).
And even with all that being said, there is still no official announcement yet.
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What I don't get is if it's not considered a PED, why is it being treated as one? Shouldn't he just have to do the substance abuse program like you do for testing for marijuana?
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Hey, you know what, if he did it, then he deserves the punishment. It's disappointing as all hell, but go forth and sin no more. We'll make do without him and hope he comes back ready to prove himself.
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IF he does get suspended would you rather it be the first four games, or near the end of the season? I aks as if he wants to contest this it could take a while.
I'd rather it happen later in the year. Give me some more hope for the start of the year if he's playing.
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If he doesn't have a prescription, which I don't think he does, I don't see any reason to appeal.
Get it over with and move on.
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If he doesn't have a prescription, which I don't think he does, I don't see any reason to appeal.
Get it over with and move on.
work with me here for just a second,, if a Dr. Prescribed it to him for legit reasons, then what? Does the NFL have the power over a players healthcare?
If you think it does, then I don't understand your objection to Obamacare!
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I don't want to speak for Peen but I'm thinking he means if he has a legit script then he should appeal it (as I would think so too).... if he doesn't have a script then he doesn't have much of an appeal... except I think that he could argue since it is the off-season and he was taking to to stay alert in Vegas that it was not taken as a PED and should not be treated as one... which would mean no suspension for this offense (i believe).
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I don't want to speak for Peen but I'm thinking he means if he has a legit script then he should appeal it (as I would think so too).... if he doesn't have a script then he doesn't have much of an appeal... except I think that he could argue since it is the off-season and he was taking to to stay alert in Vegas that it was not taken as a PED and should not be treated as one... which would mean no suspension for this offense (i believe).
I got that, but he also said that he doesn't think he has a legit script for it. so I'm saying, if he does,, does the NFL have the right to dictate his healthcare?
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I don't want to speak for Peen but I'm thinking he means if he has a legit script then he should appeal it (as I would think so too).... if he doesn't have a script then he doesn't have much of an appeal... except I think that he could argue since it is the off-season and he was taking to to stay alert in Vegas that it was not taken as a PED and should not be treated as one... which would mean no suspension for this offense (i believe).
I got that, but he also said that he doesn't think he has a legit script for it. so I'm saying, if he does,, does the NFL have the right to dictate his healthcare?
I could be wrong but I thought that I read they can not and if a player has a legit reason to be taking the drug that it was ok, but that the team had to let the league know beforehand... (but not sure where I read that)
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If he doesn't have a prescription, which I don't think he does, I don't see any reason to appeal.
Get it over with and move on.
work with me here for just a second,, if a Dr. Prescribed it to him for legit reasons, then what? Does the NFL have the power over a players healthcare?
If you think it does, then I don't understand your objection to Obamacare!
I clearly said if he doesn't have a prescription.
In the other case, you appeal. I think it has been said the league allows some leeway in that event, though it is my understanding the player needs to notify the league in advance they are taking said medication.
If he has a prescription but didn't notify the league, then again, he screwed up. You may ask for mercy and get it reduced, but he knows the rules.....or should. It's his business.
This doesn't really diminish Joe in my view, but it was a dumb move. Prescribed medication is always made out to a named individual, giving them reason to take it. Anyone else taking the medication is breaking the law.
It's pretty clear.
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I think Bettis used asthma medication that would probably be considered illegal with out a Dr prescription.
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I think Bettis used asthma that would probably be considered illegal with out a Dr prescription.
To be honest I don't really know what you are talking about. At any rate, I don't know what that has to do with Haden??
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If he doesn't have a prescription, which I don't think he does, I don't see any reason to appeal.
Get it over with and move on.
work with me here for just a second,, if a Dr. Prescribed it to him for legit reasons, then what? Does the NFL have the power over a players healthcare?
If you think it does, then I don't understand your objection to Obamacare!
I clearly said if he doesn't have a prescription.
In the other case, you appeal. I think it has been said the league allows some leeway in that event, though it is my understanding the player needs to notify the league in advance they are taking said medication.
If he has a prescription but didn't notify the league, then again, he screwed up. You may ask for mercy and get it reduced, but he knows the rules.....or should. It's his business.
This doesn't really diminish Joe in my view, but it was a dumb move. Prescribed medication is always made out to a named individual, giving them reason to take it. Anyone else taking the medication is breaking the law.
It's pretty clear.
My point was, and I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough, if he has a script for it from his dr and it's legit, what would be the reason to appeal. it should be dropped without question and any negative press released by league officials should be apologized for.
Appeal what? because his Dr.said he should take this drug. Of course, that's a HUGE IF it's a legit script.
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My assumption is if he had a prescription and had notified the league he was in fact on said medication, this wouldn't be a issue.
And maybe this isn't a issue. I haven't read anything saying Haden IS going to face sanctions.
Reading between the lines, I am thinking this isn't going to turn out well. It seems to me Haden would have made statements in his favor had he had a prescription and had notified the league office.
Why wouldn't you??
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I thought he took it at a nightclub in Vegas out with buddies, some of which are current Browns players.
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I thought he took it at a nightclub in Vegas out with buddies, some of which are current Browns players.
I have no clue where he was or who he was with......I did read he was in Las Vegas.
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If he doesn't have a prescription, which I don't think he does, I don't see any reason to appeal.
Get it over with and move on.
if this is true and not just some machination by his agent trying to move the rumor to a better place for his client, then I can see why he would appeal.
the NFL may be treating this as a PED case. Haden/agent may be arguing it was recreational. the suspensions/punishments are different.
so, it might take some time to sort out (which would explain the delay).
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Haden...you idiot.
I'm sorry but you simply have to know better. If you are in a job where you know that you will be randomly drug tested, you better be damn sure you know EVERYTHING that goes into your body. I'm sure he didn;t take it with the idea of "this will make me a better CB" but rather "I'm wasted in Vegas but I want to hit up another strip bar".
He rolled the dice on not getting tested and he lost. He deserves the fine and the suspension. I hope it teaches him a lesson.
And I hope we don;t go 0-4 to start the season as a result.
Sorry Joe.... I love ya but this was flat out STUPID.
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I agree, get the suspension out of the way this year when all signs point to another building year. Don't drag it out all year and then get a suspension next season when hopefully (fingers crossed) we are fighting for a playoff spot.
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Haden...you idiot.
I'm sorry but you simply have to know better. If you are in a job where you know that you will be randomly drug tested, you better be damn sure you know EVERYTHING that goes into your body. I'm sure he didn;t take it with the idea of "this will make me a better CB" but rather "I'm wasted in Vegas but I want to hit up another strip bar".
He rolled the dice on not getting tested and he lost. He deserves the fine and the suspension. I hope it teaches him a lesson.
And I hope we don;t go 0-4 to start the season as a result.
Sorry Joe.... I love ya but this was flat out STUPID.
Totally agree with what you said. You just have to be smarter. The team is paying out a lot of money. The defense is so dependent on you playing. You've become a leader in that locker room. I'm disappointed in him.
He's still one of my favorite players on the team, but there is just no excuse for this.
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Am I missing the article where the suspension is official? I still haven't seen anything. Until it's officially announced and the appeal process is over (or no appeal was attempted)....that's when I'll get upset. Until then, we don't know.
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Am I missing the article where the suspension is official? I still haven't seen anything. Until it's officially announced and the appeal process is over (or no appeal was attempted)....that's when I'll get upset. Until then, we don't know.
I'm already upset. I mean yeah this could all just be for nothing, but I can't hide the fact that it really upsets me that a team leader would do something that stupid.
If it turns out he did nothing? I won't feel upset anymore, but I don't feel like it will end the world if I am just upset at what's probably coming.
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Am I missing the article where the suspension is official? I still haven't seen anything. Until it's officially announced and the appeal process is over (or no appeal was attempted)....that's when I'll get upset. Until then, we don't know.
I'm already upset. I mean yeah this could all just be for nothing, but I can't hide the fact that it really upsets me that a team leader would do something that stupid.
If it turns out he did nothing? I won't feel upset anymore, but I don't feel like it will end the world if I am just upset at what's probably coming.
In the end it is, at a minimum, yet another distraction for a team that really doesn't need any more distractions.
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It hasn't even been a week since the first report comes out...
I don't know how long itshould take to figure out if a guy did or did not fail a test...
But I swear it feels like it's been a month already...
First he's getting suspended, then maybe he has a script, then he just took it for a pick me up...
Some body make a freaking statement already...
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I don't understand why people are so upset over this, unless there is info out there I haven't heard.
Tony Grossi says Joe Haden failed a drug test and was on Adderal.
NFL hasn't suspended him, and as far as I know hasn't even commented. Joe Haden hasn't commented.
Again, Tony Grossi says Joe Haden failed a drug test and was on Adderal.
That to me is plenty of reason to wait and see.
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considering that Haden has gone into "plead the 5th" mode on the issue, I think that there is something there. we'll see how long it takes to get sorted.
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It would be nice to hear something from the league about this by the end of this week ... At least so we can be done wondering about it
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If they don't say anything by the end of our 3rd preseason game, I'm calling BS on this entire situation.
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Grossi got his name in the papers...
..Now leeet's just slide all this under the rug...
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