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When a new regime comes in, they want to put their stamp on things, they want *their* guys.
It buys them a built-in excuse and if they can turn it into a winner, they get to claim full success... none of that "yeah, you just took what Fred built and continued the progression with it, anybody could have done that".

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Help me out - we have a strong armed, super accurate qb, and teams are still putting 8 in the box?

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And he has hurt a few team in preseason by hitting guys deep (Travis Benjamin game 1, Josh Gordon game 3). The more he shows he CAN do that the less opposing teams will want to put 8 in the box.

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so did colt..

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Not even close to what Weeden has shown and Weeden did it against 1st team defenses. Guys like Nnamdin Asomungha.

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How big was that fish you caugh? thiiiiiiiiis big? or was it thiis big? Look weeden has a great chance to be good. Weeden made about 5-7 good throws so far this preseason. the rest were all over the place.

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The great throws that Weeden made were special throws that not every one can make. The great throws that Colt made this preseason were not that special, pretty much every back up QB in the NFL makes those throws. If anyone can point to a game that Colt was making Elite caliber QB throws please let me know what game that is. I'll find a torrent for that game and I'll watch it again.

I have nothing against Colt personally, I just don't think he is going to amount to anything better than what he has already shown. Nor am I touting Weeden as the next Peyton Manning. Weeden can very easily end up in the same category as Derek Anderson. I just want to give him that chance to see if he can become "the guy" because if he can't we need to find someone else, and it isn't Colt.

If Weeden goes down or is horrible and Colt takes his place and wins the job back leading us to a playoff/superbowl I will find the largest crow in the world and eat it. I will change my screen name to IWasWrongAboutColt as well.

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IAnd all those of you with chips on your shoulders, knock them off. It's getting tiring reading Person A who refuses to ever acknowledge they're wrong about something vs. Person B who always wants to take Person A down a peg or two.

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You probably need to stop frequenting message boards altogether if THIS is getting to you.

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Yes you did, in fact you just said it again.... this is what you said..

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but we can't keep making excuses for players who choke and create unnecassary penalties.

They don't in other professions and hopefully the new owner will see it in that same light.

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What does that have to do with the G position? It has to do with accountability at all positions. From the coach to the GM to the ball boy. The penalty aspect is in regards to all players.

We are already seeing the accountability issue being doled out. See Weeden.....Richardson.....Shwartz....Gordon..... etc

You can only fill so many holes in one draft.



Besides, I thought you were one who was all gung ho about personal responsability and accountability? Why the sudden change of heart? Is the NFL suddenly some "acception to your rule" about that?

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So being the fair person that I am, I will give you another chance to explain this connection between evaluating guard talent and how long it should take and whether or not the owner believes that is the case... If the owner feels the OGs are inadequate and are not developing fast enough, what exactly should he do about it?

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It's really a very comon practice in every business and corperation. You find your weakest links at the greatest need and you upgrade it any time the oppertunity presents itself.
Be that at G, LB, S, CB or any other position on the field. That's how you build a winning team. Or are you suggesting you keep holding out hope on weak links for four or five years? Surely that's not what you're suggesting here?

The owner? I'm sure this very business, winning orientated man will be asking what the yell is going on and put people on the chopping block if they aren't doing their jobs. Wouldn't you if it was your billion?

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You could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just said, "If they don't agree with my opinion, they should be shot at dawn."

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I don't think we are where either Holmgren or Heckert want us to be yet in terms of talent.

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If anybody believes otherwise, they should be shot at dawn.

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Actually I borrowed that term from you. You know.... when your opinion lined up with mine? But of course that's different when you use it with one of your opinions. How quickly I had forgotten that one.

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Lauvao can't block.

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Yet he is in the NFL and our braintrust with a hundred years of NFL experience and a vault full of film study made virtually zero attempt to find somebody who could... that's odd. If your assertion that he can't block is true and if the FO shares this opinion, I would fully expect as cuts are made for us to have a parade of OGs coming here for a look... since you absolutely can't have an OG who can't block protecting your first round QB investment.....

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I kinda think that's what they use film for. You don't "parade in" a bunch of cast offs you know aren't an upgrades by watching film on them. You must think they are buffoons for even suggesting such a thing?!



Now if an upgrade can be found I wouldn't doubt they bring one in. We don't often use the FA market but we have. And I'd say if a suitable candidate becomes available they may very well consider it.

They mainly build through the draft but an upgrade is needed there and I think beneath the sarcasm, even you know it.

I also think you know it would most likely be considered one of the areas of need going into next years draft along with LB.

Or would you like to be shot at dawn?



Tell ya what....... Watch the first four games and get back to me....

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Oh, man - you're not allowed to say that. The company line on here is "Weeden will make the running game better, the receiver's better, the O line better, our defense better, we'll have many 20 plus yard passes, receiver's won't get hurt" etc.

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And if you don't buy into that, you'll get "well golly gee, he's just a rookie", and if you don't buy into that you'll get " you're just a colt lover"........and when that doesn't work, you'll get "shurmer sucks the play calling sucks, and it's not our first round draft pick's fault at all. He needs 2 or 3 years to learn the system. He's strong armed, he'll make the d respect our deep threat, even if they still put 8 in the box......"

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So a QB with the ability to burn you deep won't loosen up a D?

You know, if you actually buy into the manure you're spreading, you should sell yourself some swamp land in florida because you would be the only one who buys what you're trying to sell here.

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Once game time comes around, I'll be all for Weeden. But, truth be told, if he isn't half the qb we've been told he would be by a couple of posters, I'll be all over them when they toss out excuses.

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I think even if he is very good and the team gets SB rings with him as QB you'll still nitpick him to death.

Are you that nervous that your boy may be getting cut by tonight that you feel some inner need to act out in this fashion?

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We are already seeing the accountability issue being doled out. See Weeden.....Richardson.....Shwartz....Gordon..... etc

You can only fill so many holes in one draft

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Besides, I thought you were one who was all gung ho about personal responsability and accountability? Why the sudden change of heart? Is the NFL suddenly some "acception to your rule" about that?

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It's really a very comon practice in every business and corperation. You find your weakest links at the greatest need and you upgrade it any time the oppertunity presents itself.
Be that at G, LB, S, CB or any other position on the field. That's how you build a winning team. Or are you suggesting you keep holding out hope on weak links for four or five years? Surely that's not what you're suggesting here?

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Wallace cut per ESPN, McCoy is the backup

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Good.

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That shows that Mangini tore down the mess that he inherited as well. He patched in veterans he was familiar with. Heckert went with youth all at once. Each philosophy has worked. Belichick signed veterans off the scrap heap and won his 1st Super Bowl in New England.

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