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Hmm....do they wanna send us some of there Offensive Line men for our Defensive linemen? For some reason every year they have a 1k+ Running back why can't we do that....


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Didn't think this warranted its own thread, but thought it was a funny read. Enjoy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2809308

When it comes to stocking the Denver Broncos' defensive line, some things apparently don't change, at least if the events of this week are any indication.

On Monday, the Broncos released defensive end Courtney Brown, the top prospect taken in the 2000 draft, but also one of the most star-crossed players in recent NFL history in his tenures with Denver and Cleveland. And less than 24 hours later, apparently because they had dipped below their self-imposed quota of onetime Cleveland front four players on the roster, the Broncos signed former Browns tackle and unrestricted free agent Alvin McKinley to a four-year, $8 million contract.

It extended the Broncos' inexplicable fixation with former Cleveland defensive linemen, as McKinley, amazingly, became the eighth one acquired by Denver since 2005.

The Browns-to-Broncos roll call: Denver traded for end Ebenezer Ekuban and tackles Gerard Warren and Michael Myers, all in 2005. Signed as free agents were Brown (2005) and Kenard Lang (2006) and tackles McKinley (2007) and Corey Jackson (2005). The Broncos also claimed end Amon Gordon on waivers (2006).

Oh, yeah, the Broncos employed former Cleveland defensive line coach Andre Patterson in the same capacity since 2005, but fired him after last season. But given the addition of McKinley, and the ongoing fascination with defensive linemen who once wore orange helmets, the dismissal of Patterson must have had more to do with his own performance than that of the guys he recommended to the Denver personnel department.

In the two seasons that transpired since the Broncos and head coach Mike Shanahan began collecting Cleveland hand-me-down linemen, the Broncos ranked 15th (in 2005) and 14th (in 2006) in the league in total defense. Denver was, it should be noted in fairness, an admirable No. 2 versus the run in 2005. But in the last two seasons, Denver posted only 64 sacks, or 15 percent below the NFL average that for stretch. And the five most prominent former Browns linemen -- Warren, Ekuban, Myers, Brown and Lang -- have averaged just 31.9 tackles and 3.2 sacks during their respective Broncos' tenures.

Most important, the Broncos won only one playoff game in those two seasons, and lost the AFC championship contest at home in 2005. Eight seasons have passed now since Shanahan captured a second straight Super Bowl title in 1998, and the Browning of his defensive line hasn't exactly helped stanch that championship blackout.

Some of the locals have taken to calling the former Cleveland linemen "Brown-cos." The onetime Browns' defenders, though, don't hear their names called very often at the end of plays. Still, that hasn't precluded Shanahan and his scouting staff from gazing longingly toward the shores of Lake Erie every time Denver has a vacancy on the defensive front.

But why?

When Brown, Warren, Myers and Ekuban represented the starting unit in Cleveland, it wasn't a group mistaken for the Fearsome Foursome, the Steel Curtain, the Purple People Eaters, or any other colorfully captioned front-four contingent. The group, which could have been tabbed as The Four Flops, authored fewer hits than the Four Tops.

The classy yet fragile-as-a-Ming-vase Brown never played a full, 16-game season after his rookie campaign, and it probably cost Broncos ownership more to ship his ponderous medical dossier to Denver than to forward his equipment. The guy clearly had more X-rays than big plays during his ill-fated career. In terms of forcing medical premiums to spiral upward, Ekuban wasn't far behind. Warren was a guy who always needed to have a fire lit under him. Myers was a classic rotational tackle and Lang is best employed as a situational pass rusher.

Individually, none of the players were stars in Cleveland, and collectively the Browns' defense did not excel when those players were there.

Yet the Broncos' staff, for whatever reason, believed it could succeed in a reclamation project aimed at transforming chronic underachievers at least into viable retreads. Two years later, the metamorphosis simply hasn't occurred. That said, this week's signing of McKinley indicates Denver hasn't abandoned that hope.

And it's in large part because the organization has registered such inarguably lowly results, and suffered such dreadful misfortune, in its selection of defensive linemen. In that abysmal failure lies the key to the influx of veteran defensive linemen. It still doesn't explain the fixation with former Cleveland defensive linemen, but it does point out why the Broncos are so reliant on imports.

Because unlike many of the NFL's best and most stable teams, the Broncos' organization doesn't choose and nurture and grow defensive linemen of its own.

And, thus, Denver seems to be forever addressing its defensive line needs in the always dicey free-agent market. That usually means throwing good money after players who are in decline. And means concentrating on stop-gap defenders to fill the void created by the lack of long-term prospects.

That glaring inability, the failure to draft players and successfully raise them up through a stable system, has been the Broncos' most notorious shortcoming in the club's recent history. The Broncos' defensive line was often like a halfway house for veteran free-agent players such as Marco Coleman, Luther Elliss, Darius Holland, Ellis Johnson and Raylee Johnson, but the situation has been even more disastrous of late.

The kind of lopsided and unhealthy reliance on free-agent linemen that Denver has demonstrated the past couple years, magnified by the Cleveland clique, can be traced to the draft failures of the past. Ineptitude in the draft and crucial injuries postdraft have created a culture of failure.

Instead of a unit manned by young talent, nurtured through the Denver system, the Broncos instead have addressed holes by spackling with free agents or trade acquisitions plucked from other teams' rosters.

Such a flawed approach, characteristically, is a recipe for failure and salary cap problems. The Broncos, it's fair to say, have suffered plenty of both in recent seasons. Since the arrival of Shanahan in 1995, the Broncos have selected 14 defensive linemen in a dozen lotteries, and the overall results have pretty much been catastrophic.

Six of the 14 defensive linemen never played in a single game for the Broncos and another appeared in just nine contests. Denver invested four choices on defensive linemen in 2003 -- Nick Eason, Bryant McNeal, Aaron Hunt and Clint Mitchell -- and none ever got onto the field for a game in a Broncos uniform. Of the four, McNeal is the only one on a NFL roster (Oakland) and Eason just filed for free agency from -- of all teams -- the Browns earlier in the month.

Of the 14 defensive linemen taken in the draft under Shanahan, only four played in more than 40 games for the Broncos and 1997 first-rounder Trevor Pryce, now with Baltimore, is the only one to appear in more than 47 contests. There are 12 defensive linemen currently on the Denver roster and just two are players whose careers originated with the Broncos. The lone Denver draft choice on the defensive line is pass-rushing end Elvis Dumervil, a fourth-round selection in 2006.

In fairness to Shanahan and the Denver personnel department, the dearth of good, young defensive linemen isn't all a factor of poor draft decisions. There have been injuries to a number of the draftees -- most notably a persistent knee problem that kept defensive end Paul Toviessi, a second-round pick in 2001 and a player who was projected as a double-digit sack man, from ever playing in a game -- that essentially scuttled their careers.

Even with the injuries, however, the Broncos should have plenty more to show for all of their draft forays into the defensive line pool. Such a deficiency has led Denver to make moves out of necessity, even desperation, and most of those gambits have backfired.

Perhaps the versatile McKinley, who primarily played end in the Cleveland 3-4 defense but figures to start at tackle in the Broncos' 4-3 alignment, will reverse the ugly trend. But, nothing against McKinley, no one should count on it.

To paraphrase the wildly popular UPS query: What can Browns do for you?

Using the past two seasons as evidence, clearly, not a lot.

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When Brown, Warren, Myers and Ekuban represented the starting unit in Cleveland, it wasn't a group mistaken for the Fearsome Foursome, the Steel Curtain, the Purple People Eaters, or any other colorfully captioned front-four contingent. The group, which could have been tabbed as The Four Flops, authored fewer hits than the Four Tops.



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I loved that zinger as well

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To paraphrase the wildly popular UPS query: What can Browns do for you?

Using the past two seasons as evidence, clearly, not a lot.

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For once... what was a lump of coal in Cleveland... never turned into a diamond elsewhere...

Bronco science project
3:00 Still just a lump of coal
4:00 Still just a lump of coal
5:00 Still just a lump of coal

and so!

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You guys have some stones on you. You keep making fun of Shannahan and the Broncos, but they continually have a better team than the Browns. While you are talking trash......they could be saying....."scoreboard."

Trash talking when you are drafting third overall.




Not only that, but let me add the following (most think I'm an ass on here anyway, so what the hell?)

Just look at this thread....the title itself sucks ass. "Alvin McKinley signs with.....(you'll never guess)"

Who in the hell wants to guess? I want it in the thread title so I can read it or bypass it while knowing what the topic is about!

AND it's up to two pages, and there are about 6 actual football replies! Lots of smilie faces and pictures and cartoons.....but not much football talk!

Trash talking and feeble attempts at humor, even though it is a team that can kick our ass! WTF is wrong with these people????

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Gotta love ESPN - they were calling us morons for getting rid of all that "talent" just a year or two ago, now they're all over the Broncos' case for bringing in all those bums. Glad to see they thought outside the box on this one.


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Whip out them wallies, BigBoys.... there's a dry bowl of Wheaties in the house!!!

Look, guys.... I'm not here to slam the Broncos for the offseason choices they made. I'm not here to yell, "We're number one!"...

...but I will take a minute or so to laugh at all the pundits on espin, who spent 3+ months on a National soapbox just 2 offseasons ago, deriding our FO for trading away the core of our D. And if I can manage a chuckle or two at Denver for being the ones who look foolish because of the trade, so be it. Sue me, and others like me... we're Human.

Are your memories that short? Did you not feel insulted by the way they portrayed our team getting 'hosed' by the great Mike Shanahan and the World-Class "savvyass" Denver Broncos? Have you already forgotten how much you wanted to wring the necks of Schlereth, Salisbury and that dweeb Clayton when they made us the butt of 3 months worth of daily jokes?

Do you also forget the sage predictions on the boards back then... by us lowly fans- and maybe even yourselves- that these so-called "players" would produce in Denver EXACTLY as they produced in Cleveland?

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A humble request, ye "All-Knowing Ones"... let some of us mere mortals have a moment to chuckle at those who have used us as one-liners and punching bags for more than a decade. I believe we've earned it.

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OK... moment's over.

Now we can get back to the bidniss at hand- complaining about lame offseason moves, lack of depth, bad coaching, weak OL, weak DL, bad-attitude WR's, "backup 1st-string QB's," shallow DB roster, and dismal hopes for the freakkin' future.

Sheesh!!! Get up offa Dawg's neck every once in a great long while.... it's no fun strangling a corpse that's already cold.



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AND it's up to two pages, and there are about 6 actual football replies! Lots of smilie faces and pictures and cartoons.....but not much football talk!





You make this statement, yet you add another post that has nothing to do with football.


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