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Here are his preseason numbers after the 3rd game
9/20 for 117 yards 2 fumbles against Philly
12/20 for 118 yards against Green Bay
3-of-9 passes for 62 yards and an interception against Detroit
Weeden has completed 24-of-49 (49.0 percent) passes for 297 yards (6.1 YPA) and a 0:1 TD-to-INT ratio with 3 fumbles
Do you think he will be ready for week 1 to be a productive QB in 2012?
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Do you think he will be ready for week 1 to be a productive QB in 2012?
Nope, at least not in the first half of 2012.
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When it comes to Weeden, I think your assessment is harsh.
I think you need to look beyond the surface level stuff and focus on the talent itself. The difference between a guy like Weeden and McCoy is light years ... I mean that ... it's not even in the same stratosphere ... and McCoy managed 4 wins last year.
I expect to get a Dalton type of year out of Weeden. There will be bumps in the road, head scratchers, games where I think to myself the guy is a schmuck, but if we can keep him upright, he's going to be good. All the tools are there.
I think instead of focusing on his stats, we should all be rejoicing we have a real NFL QB on the roster.
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I don't think that it's harsh at all. I don't see it... I do not see him being a productive QB for us at the very least until the 2nd half of this season.
I see a kid with talent and maturity, but things are still too fast for him and he is getting outplayed by a large margin by Colt McCoy.
I *REALLY* hope he proves me wrong and makes me eat those words, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
He's had some nice throws in pre-season, but he's been a flash-in-the-pan. You get a nice one, then there's a regression.
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I can see where you're coming from. I do think he looks a little overwhelmed just from his body language, but I also think our poor pass blocking to date has not helped.
I feel like McCoy has done a better job so far, but a lot of it results from his ability to escape the rush vs. Weeden's cement feet. I think if our line blocked good for both QB's, it wouldn't even be close.
BUT, Brandon needs to get some reps back there and hopefully get more comfortable, because right now, he seems a little jittery.
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I don't think that it's harsh at all. I don't see it... I do not see him being a productive QB for us at the very least until the 2nd half of this season.
I see a kid with talent and maturity, but things are still too fast for him and he is getting outplayed by a large margin by Colt McCoy.
I think you're spot on with you assessment of Weeden. I think it's harsh because he's a rookie and it's going to take a little bit of time. But you can see the talent there. I just think what we are seeing is what we should be expecting to see.
Where you are way off is your statement that he is being outplayed by McCoy. McCoy could go 8 for 9 and still be the worst QB on the field by FAR. I'm really starting to think he has zero business in the NFL at all...2nd string, 3rd string, 4th string ... whatever. I am amazed at how poorly he has played so far this preseason. It is literally painful for me to watch. He seems like he has no idea what is going on out there. Other than the throw to Cameron in the first game, he has been downright awful. Doesn't recognize coverages, panics way too easily, refuses to step up INTO the pocket, shows no confidence in his arm, and I have not seen any arm strength improvement at all in the games.
I literally cringe every time he drops back to pass. He is one of the worst 8-9, 115 yds, 1 td QBs I have ever seen.
I really hope we trade him. I think the Browns have been trying to display him this preseason in the hopes of getting a trade partner. I don't think it's going to happen.
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Weeden is what I was afraid of.
He is a VERY raw QB. Unfortunately his rawness and age combined are why I felt he was a bad pick.
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I think it's all happening too fast for him. Not just game speed, but also the pace of OTA's TC, rookie orientation, pre-season.... ALL of it.
It's why conventional "old school" wisdom told us to bench the rook for the first year/2, and let him learn on the sidelines. I don't necessarily hold that view as my own.
But... I'm with PPE on this one.... it will take perhaps the first 1/3 to 1/2 half of his season for him to get past the culture shock that is "welcome to the NFL"... and that's alright with me. I'm much more interested in what he might do, once he catches up to the game- and that CAN be done in a single season.
Toad and I have been on the same page for years, as far as fandom and player observation is concerned... we get our 'next big thing' in camp, signed on time... and expect Brady/Manning/Rogers or (insert equivalent stats from any other position) numbers immediately- only to feel demoralized, once the reality of their 'newness' comes crashing home. About 4-5 years ago, I wrote: "Unrealistic expectations inevitably lead to unbearable disappointments." and I stand by that. For many of us. Stick with these boards, and I guarantee it will happen.
So far, these posts have shown what I think is appropriate restraint, and a common-sense look at this kid's chances. I hope to see more of posts like these. What I fear is that when the speed bumps show up in early games, the 'fan' in some of us will start yelling louder than the 'thinker' in us... and we'll (again) have a board of folks who want to see Weedz benched in favor of a 'pipe dream' Hollywood-type script.
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Bottom line: I think the kid has the potential to run this O quite well.... AFTER he takes his lumps. "Lump-Takin' Time" would be this 2012 campaign. If he realy has The Goods, the gold-mining begins late in this season- and continues throughout next year.
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and he is getting outplayed by a large margin by Colt McCoy.
 This is a joke right?
Weeden made throws in this game McCoy could only dream of making.
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I actually still think that Weeden will be fine.
Obviously he is still a rookie. He is going to have ups and downs. There will be good plays and head scratchers.
However, he an arm, and the ability to place the ball, as well as the ability to hit receivers in stride that offer hope that he can be an upper tier QB. We have seen many of these throws in pre-season. He has been inconsistent though. So have the young players all around him.
I think that things will look hectic at times, but I do believe that things will improve when we start actually gameplanning for teams. I also believe that we w$ml see improvement (with some fits and starts and stops) on a weekly basis ...... not only by Weeden, but also by the players about him.
I watched tonight's game and I saw things like the slant to Gordon. That's unstoppable if executed properly. We used it one time tonight that I can remember. I also saw plays that were just off, or .. like the pass to Massaquoi that was fingertipped away from him, that could be a big play if it arrives 1/10th of a second earlier.
Teams are going to rush the crap out of Weeden until he shows that he can handle it, and also until the OL shows that they can block the rush. Tonight had to be an embarrassment to the OL.They were beaten like a drum, and everyone was involved. Pinkston looked as bad as I have seen him look in any game going back to all of last year. Thomas got beat for a sack. Mack, Pinkston and Lauvao all made mistakes. Schwartz looked awful at times. Ugh.
I fully expect that we will start putting in the Eagles this week in practice ...... and that the coaches will work on all of the numerous things they saw in tonight's game. I do think that we will be better next time around.
One other thing to remember is this: Weeden is going to attack the whole field. This will result in a lower pass completion percentage, especially early on. He is going to test corners 20 yards downfield. He is going to attack single cover. That's what I want to see. It was one of my biggest complaints about McCoy last year ... that he would have single cover on the outside, and wouldn't even look at those outside receivers. It drove me crazy to no end when he would be in the pocket with a receiver waving his hands downfield ..... frantic ..... wide open ...... and McCoy would chuck it down to a triple covered guy 2 yards away. I do not expect that we will see this from Weeden this year.
I also have hope that we will gameplan hot reads into the regular season plans so that teams blitzing will get burned horribly. This take both the receiver and QB being on the same page, and I expect that this will be the case.
Shurmur said that the Eagles threw stuff at Weeden that he hadn't seen before. This is great, because Shurmur has said that he processes things very well, and rarely makes the same mistakes twice. This was my greatest hope, that he would see tons of different stuff on the field against quality teams. We played 2 playoff teams, and one team that had what many considered the most talented roster in the NFL last year. We didn't play any cupcakes. We play the Bears in game 4. I love this because I want to see this team play the very best in these preliminary games.
I cannot wait for the season to start! I know that there will be some rough times, but I think that this team will scare the hell out of people by the second half of the season.
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He sucks our offensive line was great for him and his running game really opened up the passing game, i have no idea why we didnt do better.
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From what I saw on highlights and in the play by play Weeden was taking shots down field and making some tough throws.
Keep him clean, get Richardson on the field, and see what happens week 1.
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I don't think that it's harsh at all. I don't see it... I do not see him being a productive QB for us at the very least until the 2nd half of this season.
I see a kid with talent and maturity, but things are still too fast for him and he is getting outplayed by a large margin by Colt McCoy.
I *REALLY* hope he proves me wrong and makes me eat those words, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
He's had some nice throws in pre-season, but he's been a flash-in-the-pan. You get a nice one, then there's a regression.
^ This is spot on.
Stepping up in the pocket and throwing off the wrong foot and those DA screen passes are symptoms of a rushed QB. Our blocking isn't doing him any favors either.
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he is getting outplayed by a large margin by Colt McCoy.
Is it surprising at all? This is Colt's third year in the league, second in this system, and he's playing second teams in the pre-season...
I agree with you that it'll take a little while to have Weeden get up to speed... but I still like his up-side a TON more than Colt and Seneca..
this offense shoudl get a major upgrade too when we actually have a running back.... if we can have TR and BJax be productive that can go a long way to help out Weeden...
of course, we need to learn how to protect him a bit.
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I think Weeden will be fine. He is gonna need some games toget up to NFL speed though. He throws a nice pass, and from what I saw lead receivers.
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I think his RECEIVERS can help him more any time as well. Weeden is not ready yet, and is not close IMO. It may be unpopular, but McCoy looked very sharp in #3; I think he may need to share some time. The playcalling was pretty lame again, so I assume the duties were mostly Shurm. I do not care who wins games for us. Weeds might look better without Little just to throw it out there. The opener could be uglier than this one eaasily. 
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Weeden will be as good as the protection his offensive line gives him.
If the Oline sucks...Weeden's performance will likely suck too.
If the offensive line gives Weeden the time he needs and protects him from being beaten up, Weeden's performance will reflect the play of his Oline...especially since Weeden is a pocket passer.
That Philly D-line...probably the best and deepest in the NFL this year.
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Whoever says that McCoy is "outplaying" Weeden is really not worth discussing with after watching last night's game, sorry but I had to hard at that one Weeden in those 3 weeks improved more than McCoy in 2+ years...and he was clearly better to begin with Outplayed
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I think his RECEIVERS can help him more any time as well. Weeden is not ready yet, and is not close IMO. It may be unpopular, but McCoy looked very sharp in #3; I think he may need to share some time. The playcalling was pretty lame again, so I assume the duties were mostly Shurm. I do not care who wins games for us. Weeds might look better without Little just to throw it out there. The opener could be uglier than this one eaasily.
I wouldn't read too much into play calling in a preseason game, but when was the last time we opened the game with a 28 yard pass?
As far as what I expect to see in week one ... more of the same.
I think the score will be something along the lines of 45 - 3.
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I think it's all happening too fast for him. Not just game speed, but also the pace of OTA's TC, rookie orientation, pre-season.... ALL of it.
I'm going to apologize in advance for beating drums that I've worn out for years, but it's all worth repeating...
Absolutely it's all too fast for him, and that really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. We as a fan-base have bought into the hype created by an organization filled with people who are fighting to save their jobs after poor personnel decisions. They reached on a QB who put up electric numbers in an offense that is barely one step above flag-football. There was very little at Oklahoma State which resembled an NFL offense, and anyone who actually believed Weeden's age...his "maturity"...would help his learning curve should think twice before cutting that check for the bridge Holmgren and Co. want to sell them. 
I'm not gonna sit here yet again and talk about all the holes in Weeden's game. I'm over it. Holmgren has bet his future on this guy so we're stuck with him for good or ill. What I will say...what I will repeat since the day we took him...is reflected in this quote: Quote:
It's why conventional "old school" wisdom told us to bench the rook for the first year/2, and let him learn on the sidelines. I don't necessarily hold that view as my own.
Some rookie QB's are ready to start right out of the gate. Some, are not. Thus it would be foolish to say flat-out that every 1st year QB coming into the league should sit. However, too many people think that Weeden should absolutely start because of his age.
BS, I say.
When we took the guy I made a point of stating that just because he's going to be 29 during the season that doesn't mean he should start. You cannot treat him any differently than any other rookie QB just because of his age. If he's ready to start, then you start him. If he's not ready, you don't. He cannot be rushed just because he's 29. The moment he was drafted the very first thing the organization should have said is that everyone...EVERYONE...including themselves...should forget his age and treat him like the rookie he is. Why? Because no amount of linear years were going to prepare him for the NFL. So what have they done by anointing him the starting QB before he's actually earned the job? They've potentially compounded the problem and the risk by forcing a guy into the starting role when he may not be otherwise ready. I say "potentially" because I haven't watched the games yet, and I've done that on purpose. I'm not going to watch Weeden until the games count because I knew he'd look like crap coming out of the gate.
If I were the staff I wouldn't hesitate to put McCoy in as the starter this year. Not only is McCoy a veteran but he's got wheels that Weeden's plodding self will never have. Since I've been the bitter voice of realism regarding our two "starting" guards by noting all the unrealistic optimism surrounding two guys that played like crap last year, I'm taking the position that McCoy's wheels are a huge advantage for us until we get the line fixed.
Yes, I'm pointing the finger right at the FO for not doing anything to fix the guard position. They are hoping Pinky and Luvy can step up, but so far they haven't. They went on the cheap at the guard position and that's a gamble that may very-well cost them their cushy executive jobs.
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Sage advice. Not surprising for a guy that makes noise for a living Even people like myself who have very little faith in Weeden would be well-served to keep in mind what Clemmy said and what I said previously, which is that the fans must...MUST...forget about his age and view him as nothing more than what he really is: A rookie QB who comes from a backyard offense. He was never going to come into the league and set it on fire. He's got a HUGE curve to deal with and there ARE going to be huge growing pains, regardless of whether or not he will eventually get it.
Rish, my friend, I'd encourage you to temper your expectations for Weeden. He isn't going to have Andy Dalton-type numbers. He won't get close to that mark, which was exceptional by any definition of a rookie season. He's more likely to actually get benched than he is to excel, and that may be exactly what he'll need if he can't get up to speed. Hell, if the guards and the rookie RT stink, we'll need McCoy's wheels just to survive.
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Bottom line: I think the kid has the potential to run this O quite well.... AFTER he takes his lumps. "Lump-Takin' Time" would be this 2012 campaign.
Quoted for truth. He's going to get his butt kicked as reality sets in for him, the organization, and the fan-base. People might as well set aside the ever-present pre-season optimism and try to accept the fact that he's going to pretty-much suck this year. When that is accomplished it'll make it that much easier to look at the picture with a clear head. Beyond that for Weeden? I'm going to keep that to myself...for now...
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9/20 and off the top of my head, I can think of a drop by Marecic and a drop by Cameron. Would have been about a 5 yard gain and a 11 yard gain on those.
I won't say Little 'should' have caught the ball in the end zone, but Weeden put in the perfect place, and Little got both hands on the ball. It's a catch a lot of receivers make... That'd be a 20 yard TD pass.
The deep ball to Benjamin, again, hit him in the hands. 30 yards there.
Those plays all go his way, you're looking at 13/20, 183 yards, 1TD, 0INT's.
***I've said before that I never used drops to excuse Colt McCoy's poor play, and I won't use them as an excuse for Weeden. My point is just that you can't look at his stats. Watch the game, and form an opinion based on that***
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I say "potentially" because I haven't watched the games yet, and I've done that on purpose. I'm not going to watch Weeden until the games count because I knew he'd look like crap coming out of the gate.
You wrote a novel about his shortcomings and what you thought of him 8 months ago but haven't seen a play from him as a Brown?
Then you go on to tell us that Pinky and Lauvao haven't improved without watching 1 single play...so all of a sudden preseason snap DO count for Gs but not for QBs? or are you Ms Cleo to know they won't improve? Went on the cheap at G? You know, we don't have Top 50 picks for every position...a 3rd and 5th are pretty common for your starting Gs....btw: did you see Dalton and DeCastro play yet? You should...
You're a good poster Toad but this is just a bunch of crap throwing, because if you actually WATCHED some of the snaps you would know who's the QB who comes from the backyrad offense....Weeden is improving at an incredible rate and he simply is the better QB between the 2, so if Weeden's "not ready" (another "blind" conclusion of yours), then Colt never was and nobody on the Browns is
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You forgot the mid range throw to the middle where Little just cut the route short...so make that 14/20...I'd really like any poster to tell me which of his passes was completely horrible because I can't remember any.
Who cares about preseason stats anyway? 3/4 of his throws were catchable and he went from bad pocket presence to pretty good in just a week vs a much better pass rush (probably the best DL depth there is in the NFL...they already had good players at DE and still selected Curry in the 2nd...a player I really wanted us to draft)....you should all party what you saw yesterday from him...he stepped up INTO the pocket and delievred some ropes to the sidelines, constantly keeping his eyes downfield and moving by "feel", that's as good as it gets for a rook folks...and he threw thos ropes to WRs too, we wont ever see that from duck'n'tuck Colt
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You're right. I forgot about that. In the gameday thread, there was people blaming that on Weeden, too. Little looked to Weeden and patted his chest to say 'My bad' and people still blame the QB. 
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I'll take growing pains from a QB who actually knows that it is his job to attack the defense, not take whatever they feel like giving us.
I have seen improvement out of Weeden in his time on the field, and I look forward to seeing more growth from him as the year progresses.
We have been playing with a rookie QB, a pair of rookie WRs, and a rookie RT. Add in a 2nd year WR and TE, to go along with a 2nd year Guard ..... and there are bound to be growing pains.
Frankly I am glad that we've kinda had a good game, then a rough game. That's to be expected as the team is exposed to different kinds of defenses. I am glad that there are mistakes being made, so they can be corrected now instead of when the games start.
Like I said earlier, I expect that we'll have some fits and starts as the year goes along, especially early. Kids are going to make mistakes. The team may blow out someone they shouldn't even be able to play with, then lose to a much inferior team. This stuff happens when you have a really, really young team.
I still think that the slant to Gordon is going to be one of our core play. It was just so beautiful, and the way he ran after the catch, after being his perfectly in stride, makes me really think that this play is going to be one we see 3-4 times/game, and with consistently great results.
I also love the way Weeden can really drive the ball on the intermediate to deep throws. He's got a major gun, and I can't wait to see him on the field, with an actual gameplan, for real.
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9/20 and off the top of my head, I can think of a drop by Marecic and a drop by Cameron. Would have been about a 5 yard gain and a 11 yard gain on those.
I won't say Little 'should' have caught the ball in the end zone, but Weeden put in the perfect place, and Little got both hands on the ball. It's a catch a lot of receivers make... That'd be a 20 yard TD pass.
The deep ball to Benjamin, again, hit him in the hands. 30 yards there.
Those plays all go his way, you're looking at 13/20, 183 yards, 1TD, 0INT's.
***I've said before that I never used drops to excuse Colt McCoy's poor play, and I won't use them as an excuse for Weeden. My point is just that you can't look at his stats. Watch the game, and form an opinion based on that***
I get that however.... you can't put lipstick on a pig and if my aunt had balls.... bad stats are bad stats.
I honestly don't see Weeden being viable till next season- if even that. He might need 2 years. I see McCoy as a better short term solution. Our OL will get Weeden destroyed much like Couch and Carr were. Colt at least has wheels to extend the plays which will keep him from being destroyed.
This team clearly need 1-2 more drafts to be competitive. I expect another 4-12 maybe 5-11 season with Weeden (if he starts all season) going for about 2500 yards 12 td's and 17 ints 7 fumbles with a pass completion around 52% (because he can't complete a screen pass without throwing it 87 mph it might be 49%).
The real sad part is colt went for 2700 yards and 14 tds with 11 ints with a 57% completion ratio in 13 games.
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Here are his preseason numbers after the 3rd game
9/20 for 117 yards 2 fumbles against Philly
12/20 for 118 yards against Green Bay
3-of-9 passes for 62 yards and an interception against Detroit
Weeden has completed 24-of-49 (49.0 percent) passes for 297 yards (6.1 YPA) and a 0:1 TD-to-INT ratio with 3 fumbles
Do you think he will be ready for week 1 to be a productive QB in 2012?
I don't think he will be ready week 1. I expect some real ugliness in the first several games. Hope it doesn't go beyond 4 or 5 before the light goes on. But in all reality, It may take a little longer.
But at the end of each game, if I can see some improvement, something that says, he's starting to get it, then eventually, he'll settle in. or at least thats the hope.
This isn't in an attempt to be harsh or mean or hateful, I just don't think he's got that kinda talent like Luck that can really elevate the talent around him until he himself climbs a ladder.
I think/hope he can do it. We'll see but I'd be shocked out of my shorts if he does it the first game.
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Year in and year rout folks buy the story line , and this year is no different .. About half way through the season it will start to sink in .. Weeds is going to get killed and McCoy is going to play better at this time .. Don't know how are guards where going to make this miracles improvement in there play in a year .. And were starting a ROOKIE at RT.. It is what it is ! 
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Colt at least has wheels to extend the plays which will keep him from being destroyed.
If I read that one more time form anyone I might get kicked off the board
It's like Mangini after the Robo and Massa draft saying those 2 guys were very good blockers...what was the QBs MAIN job again? I guess the answer is "wheels"
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The real sad part is colt went for 2700 yards and 14 tds with 11 ints with a 57% completion ratio in 13 games.
No, the real sad part of those shiny crap stats (they still are crap compared to other starting QBs, I hope you at least realize that...like 2nd worst starter or something) is that half of those were ammassed when Colt was down by double digits...and the D wasn't always the reason for that
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Colt at least has wheels to extend the plays which will keep him from being destroyed.
If I read that one more time form anyone I might get kicked off the board
I think Colt at least has wheels to extend the plays which will keep him from being destroyed. 
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Ya know, I was just thinking.. Colt at least has wheels to extend the plays which will keep him from being destroyed. Bye Jango
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You wrote a novel about his shortcomings and what you thought of him 8 months ago but haven't seen a play from him as a Brown?
You'd prefer that I write a novel after a few meaningless preseason games? 
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Then you go on to tell us that Pinky and Lauvao haven't improved without watching 1 single play...so all of a sudden preseason snap DO count for Gs but not for QBs?
Based on their poor play last year and the line's reported poor play this year, neither you nor anyone else can state as a fact that the guards are doing well.
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Went on the cheap at G? You know, we don't have Top 50 picks for every position...a 3rd and 5th are pretty common for your starting Gs....btw: did you see Dalton and DeCastro play yet? You should...
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You're a good poster Toad but this is just a bunch of crap throwing, because if you actually WATCHED some of the snaps you would know who's the QB who comes from the backyrad offense....Weeden is improving at an incredible rate and he simply is the better QB between the 2, so if Weeden's "not ready" (another "blind" conclusion of yours), then Colt never was and nobody on the Browns is
Sadly, they BOTH are backyard QB's. But I'm not going down that road again. Maybe Weeden is better. Maybe he's not. I'm not about to put any stock into evaluations after three pre-season games.  The biggest positive I said when we drafted Weeden was at least he isn't McCoy, but if our line continues to suck, which it has done for years now with one exception, then McCoy's wheels may be the better bet at some point so that Weeden isn't destroyed because his feet are 40-pound cinder-blocks. Weeden, despite his age, may be a developmental QB. If that's the case and the line is again garbage, then sitting him would be an investment in his future, not a demotion. You shoulda picked that up when I first typed it as the meaning was clear.
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Based on their poor play last year and the line's reported poor play this year, neither you nor anyone else can state as a fact that the guards are doing well.
Well, the reports of Weeden's improvements didn't alter your stance on him....just pointing out some inconsistencies in your argumentation
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I couldn't care less about players on other teams. They are of no relevance to what's happening here.
I know what you mean, but our guys don't play in a vacuum, they play in the NFL...and when other young QBs and Gs struggle a lot in preseason too...maybe, just maybe that's an experience, routine thing with league wide tendencies...
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Sadly, they BOTH are backyard QB's. But I'm not going down that road again. Maybe Weeden is better. Maybe he's not. I'm not about to put any stock into evaluations after three pre-season games. The biggest positive I said when we drafted Weeden was at least he isn't McCoy, but if our line continues to suck, which it has done for years now with one exception, then McCoy's wheels may be the better bet at some point so that Weeden isn't destroyed because his feet are 40-pound cinder-blocks. Weeden, despite his age, may be a developmental QB. If that's the case and the line is again garbage, then sitting him would be an investment in his future, not a demotion. You shoulda picked that up when I first typed it as the meaning was clear.
See, that's where actually watching the players...uhm...PLAY is convenient. If Weeden would have looked the same yesterday as he did vs GB I would agree with you, as it would have been a pattern, but he really looked like a real pocket QB yesterday... I understand your concern and it IS a legit point, BUT I don't expect the OL to be this bad again in ANY game, they're simply better than that and were the only unit that actually improved during the 2ns half last season...and ALL OLs need some time to gel...that isn't news and that's why I mentioned other examples around the league
Also, Weeden really got rid of the ball in time on "normal" good blitzes....he displayed a good FEEL in the pocket...the problem on his fumbles were 100% individual OL brainfarts where NO QB cold have thrown it away in time...some may have been able to keep the ball but those were typical very quick sack-fumble plays that happen all the time in the NFL and where the odds of the QB tucking in the ball in time are 50-50....maybe thats something that will get better with experience but I doubt it as it is a reaction thing.....maybe a scared QB who takes his eyes from downfield has a better %, but those QBs won't be on the field for long because that will take away their abaility to make play...see no further than Colt last season.
All that said, just because we "fear" that it could happen to Weeden too is too much reactionary thinking imho...it's like "not to lose football"...you won't find out, if he's isn't in it....yesterday Weeden looked readier than any other player on Offense, so I really don't get the angst and the cries for McCoy...and those homerisms were a reason I just wanted the dude gone for good. This fanbase has some unexplainable loyalty to crappy players/coaches, it's unreal....and all this discussion after Weeden's best outing BY FAR 
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You're right. I forgot about that.
In the gameday thread, there was people blaming that on Weeden, too.
Little looked to Weeden and patted his chest to say 'My bad' and people still blame the QB.
Bernie said it best after that play, when he said that it looked like Little short armed that pass.
Clearly Weeden' s passing is not an issue with the majority of us.
I am a little concerned with the fumbles though, but if the blocking and execution on the part of our receivers was there, then we really wouldn't be having this same conversation here today.
He will take the all little ball out of this offense once he gets some experience and has seen what defense will throw at him.
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j/c I hope the 1's play at least a few series together next week...Lord knows they need the reps together. I'd also like to see McCoy with the 1's for a series...or two. (Bear with me a minute.) I say that NOT because I want to see McCoy considered as a starter...but because I believe it would be a good thing for the backup to actually play a series with the starters. Because...you know...that's the only time the backup QB will be in a game...is with other starters/regulars. I think it's stupid that teams rarely play the #2 QB with the starters in a pre-season game. See what you've got with the 1's in the event of injury and you are forced to use the #2 QB in the regular season. It's not unusual for a #2 QB to be forced into action in the regular season.  I've also never understood why a young team (like ours) would follow the pre-season, play-time patterns of established teams. I don't care if our 1's are going against their 2's...we need the reps. Lastly, if our coaches and FO cannot handle the fan/media heat from playing McCoy a series or two with the starters, then we've got the wrong people in charge.
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The reason that McCoy is no longer the starter is because he cannot make plays down the field at all.
He will look off a wide open receiver 25 yards down the field, instead opting for the covered receiver 3 yards away. He played scared. NFL QBs cannot play scared.
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The reason that McCoy is no longer the starter is because he cannot make plays down the field at all.
He will look off a wide open receiver 25 yards down the field, instead opting for the covered receiver 3 yards away. He played scared. NFL QBs cannot play scared.
That's BS.
McCoy is not the starter because Weeden is a better NFL QB.
You do not need to make stuff up to prove that point.
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All i know is this: Weeden...i hope you have a good accountant and have invested that money you made from your NFL contract well" Why? next year...Welcome Matt Barkley you new starting QB for the Cleveland Browns. The only thing this team will be competing in is the Matt Barkley sweepstakes....our Run D is still horried, we cna't pass block...we have a project at QB who is RAW and old by NFL standards. The Weeden pick was the biggest reach pick this team has made in a decade...it was a downright awful pick...Weeden was the most over-rated QB in the entire draft. If cleveland wanted a QB "that stinking bad" they atleast could have traded to get Tannehill....im no Tannehill fan by anymeans, but atleast Tannehill is and will be a viable NFL QB...Weeden on the otherhand will be on social security.
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And the reason that Weeden is seen as a better NFL QB is because he drives the ball down the field. He doesn't play dink dink dink dink dink dunk dunk dink dink dink.
McCoy actually did do what I described in a game last year. The announcers even talked about it ......... how he had Cribbs, IIRC, wide open down the field, and McCoy looked at him, looked at him, then dinked the ball down instead. Luckily I have pillows specifically to throw at the TV, because I needed all of them on that play.
No BS and no making things up. That was McCoy's biggest problem last year. He played timid under almost every set of circumstances. The only time he was at all aggressive was when teams went to soft zones with no rush at the end of games they had won, and McCoy could stand in, process, see a receiver in a spot, and throw to him. If he could just throw to spots he might be OK, but in the NFL you also have to throw to moving targets as well.
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The reason that McCoy is no longer the starter is because he cannot make plays down the field at all.
He will look off a wide open receiver 25 yards down the field, instead opting for the covered receiver 3 yards away. He played scared. NFL QBs cannot play scared.
That's BS.
McCoy is not the starter because Weeden is a better NFL QB.
You do not need to make stuff up to prove that point.
And that's BS. McCoy is a better NFL QB today,, but my expectation Weeden will end up better. I think Weeden will be a better QB by the end of this season unless that Oline gets him killed.
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